I just turned on CSPAN 3 and Chuck Schumer is speaking and wondering why Republicans are soo afraid of a public option and is talking about his amendment. He said he actually liked Sen. Rockefeller's amendment better, but he's pushing his amendment. He should be scolding members of his own party for voting against the public option.
Here are the five ConservaDems who voted against the public option earlier:
Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Carper and Nelson.
Another vote is due shortly. We will not stay silent. The House of Lords are more interested in their own power than helping the American people.
It looks like Ben Nelson is voting for Schumer's amendment.
UPDATE:
The more conservative Chuck Schumer public option amendment was just voted down 13-10.
Two votes flipped, Nelson and Carper, but Baucus, Lincoln and Conrad voted against it. Good doggies.
Whats the point of electing democrats to Senate when they're closet republicans?
All of them should face primary challenges over this.
There's clearly no point here in AR with Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor. I'll have absolutely no qualms voting for a green candidate next November when Blanche is up. If she loses to a republican, so be it.
I got a letter from Boozman yesterday saying that he's voting against the public option because it harms small businesses.
I still have no clue where he was getting his numbers from.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Carper or Nelson?
You want better- progressive- Democrats, support them in the primaries.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
These five come from small assbackwards states that suck out federal assistance big time...and then whine about budgets, self responsibility and of course...religion.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Florida isn't small in any way. I'm not so sure that Delaware- Carper's state- is so backwards, either, but they are the official home to a disproportionate number of corporations.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Not that he is any great shakes, but Florida has BILL Nelson, Nebraska has BEN Nelson.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Forgot we were talking about that Nelson.
I withdraw my subtle insult of The Sunshine State, but I reserve my right to use it again the next time they taser an inmate on his way to Old Sparky.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Uhm, John's got it wrong. It is Bill Nelson (R*-FL). And at least Carper and Nelson voted for Schumer's version of the public option.
Lincoln deserves a swift kick in the ass after misleading everyone about how she would vote on this. She said as late as last week that she supported the public option.
Carper is nothing but a tool for the corporations in Delaware. Namely Astra Zeneca when it comes to this one. Now it is the banks, DuPont, Gore, and Astra Zeneca. he is shameless and will get re elected.
delawareliberal.net
The first state to take advantage of the corporation as person fallacy. Well, I realize that SCOTUS thinks it is a fact, but that doesn't make it true.
You are correct. It is not enough to just not vote for them the next election. You have to actively campaign against them by support challengers in primaries. Turn the anger and resentment towards these Democrats into a positive while teaching them a lesson at the same time.
Stop calling them the "Blue Dogs" and start calling them the "Blue MEANIES." "Dog" is too neutral -- it's time to tell it like it is.
Blue Repubs.
They are called Blue Dogs...cause they love to lick their masters and soothe their blue balls.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
and I would rather see a republican in office than any of them. You expect a Republican to stab you in the back! My head is exploding I am so Angry!!!
Shumer already said they wanted this vote to show who was with them and who wasn't. More game playing, but it was effective.
then resent being associated with these traitors. They want them to be called Blue Cats, but anyone can see where that comes from. Jealousy. They finally agreed that Blue Rats will get their approval, and, needless to say, cats approved of that name, also. Rats themselves? Not so much. They want to make it official. From now on, please call those traitorous Dems "Blue Rats."
blue don'ts.
don't re-elect
called out immediately..1.800.828.0498--1.866.220.0044 or 1.866.311.3405!
call loudly and often Shameless ba$tards...Corporate whores all!
it's time to replace ALL the career politicians
both dems and repigs from both houses of congress.
they do not represent their constituents, just
the lobbyists with money bribes.
All you peons do is choose the person that will do the bidding of the powers that fund these snakes' campaigns. Your entire system is designed for corruption. Senators ask for moolah, corporations hand it over, commence back-scratching.
As long as this is the way things run, your 'democracy' is nothing more than an illusion.
The fact that a vast majority of Americans want some form of universal healthcare, and you still can't get it done, is pretty clear evidence who is running the show. Can you guess who that is?
HINT: It starts with "C" and ends with "orporations"
I agree. these are not democrats but Repukes in dems clothing.
The interests and welfare of the American people are not #1 in this country anymore. The corporations have our government and the sheep on the right wing in their pockets. We have to keep fighting since no one else will.
I mean all over the country. Also, strikes and sit-ins. They are now trying to force people to take flu shots, even though they are toxic? And if someone in a situation that is deemed by public officials as an emergency won't take the shots, they can be imprisoned and forced to have them. WTF? Mandatory insurance and mandatory vaccinations? Oh, I almost forgot. Bush granted vaccine manufacturers immunity from law suits (in 2004 or 2005) if people die or get sick from the vaccines that will never be thoroughly tested until several million people are vaccinated. Mandatory testing of untested products for Big Pharma. Nice!
Lets all be sure to write down each of their names so that we can donate to their primary challenger. These whores are going to pay. I still think we'll be able to get a public option.(See Senator Harkin's comments over on thinkprogress) but, we still need to punish every fake ass Democrat and get rid of their stupid asses!
I am doing just that. We need to get rid of those representatives/senators who do what's in the insurance companies' best interests, not ours. Better yet, let's work to establish a third party; I have lost all faith in most of our Democratic representatives in DC.
Yep! Obama is so freaking clueless, he hired Rahm "is it still 1995" Emmanuel to run the Clinton repuke-lite II program. What he doesn't seem to understand, is that ship sailed - like the day after Katrina!
I would love to see a third party emerge and eliminate the cesspool of bluedog scum that have infected FDR's party of the people.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
I think he knows exactly what he is doing. I don't like what he is doing or not doing, but he's not weak or naive. He's also a Republican in Democrat's clothing. I think there are only about 10 real Democrats left in DC.
is also on the way out. This entire hearing has been a waste. The Dems have surrendered. It's all about protecting their special interests - and the American people be damned.
The Dems don't have the guts to rescue the American Empire from the dark side. We're toast.
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not to consider the US to be a failed state.
consider?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The vote was not a waste. It revealed who is on what side. Play along. We are going to get screwed in the end, but we may as well learn what we can here.
in the past 30 years was Olympia Snowe because I mistakenly thought she'd represent an independent view of the world and most of the DEmocrats who ran against her were throwaway party hacks.
That changed today. I will truly live up to my screen name. Should a yellow lab (few dumber dogs exist) be running against the Queen of Snow, I'll vote for it.
Snowe job.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Hey.. i like yellow labs.. Comparing dogs to any US politician is a great disservice to the canines. Only acceptable analogy is that the Dems do roll over and play dead pretty well.
...and many Dems go wee-wee on the carpet when a repig looks at them harshly...
I'm sorry your experience with yellow labs has been so poor, but I can promise you that my yellow lab is very smart. He's easily more qualified to be in the Senate than more than half the current members.
pugs...now those are stupid dogs.
Blue pugs...as in blue repugs!
... there are 2 kinds of yellow labs, the American which tends to be hyperactive and a PITA to train sometimes, and the original European branch which is mellow and quite intelligent. The American lab is also bigger and stronger which adds to their training challenges in some cases, due to their hyperactivity.
Now that I think of it, they sort of mimic their human counterparts in some respects ;-)
labs are the dogs of choice for 'guide dogs for the blind' (altho goldens and german shepherds also are trained.) intelligent, trustworthy and up for the challenge. our two yellow labs were noble of heart and loving family members. my moniker -toiboi - is in honor of my belated/beloved yellow lab--a strong, handsome, big-hearted lad, who along with his late sister stole and broke my heart.
intelligent, energetic pups and dogs do well with people of similar attributes or those at least as smart as the canines in question--and/or devoted enough to teach them good manners and provide for their needs.
... in fact, I see the whole "blue dog" moniker more an insult to dogs, which are 100x more decent animals than any of these POS GOPers in disguise.
will roll on this one.
between 60 and 70% of the people will crush their bubble
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. As the jobless recovery of Wall Street fatcats continues to funnel money to the top 1%, I think these corporate fascist assholes may be in for a rude awakening.
These corporate pigs are psychotic, and will not stop until the people stop them.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
all the laws that require, not allow, but require them to make money. If they didn't do this, they would be violating the only legal requirement that they have--to make money any way they can. Google this. It is a fact! They have a huge conflict of interest with real people: They have a legal imperative to take as much money as possible from as many people as possible. They are not done yet. Wait until they have absolutely free reign to spend unlimited amounts of money on politicians, who in turn will make laws that allow the corporations to do anything they want with the government acting as their personal SS. I do not mean Secret service. I mean SS in the Nazi Germany sense Schutzstaffel ("Protective Squadron"). This is getting extremely ugly.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with single payer insurance. Just do it. The Republicans have demonstrated that they are hostile. they shot their wad and we see what they are - corrupt and shameless.
Pass single payer.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The Dems are just as corrupt and shameless.
Yes - they suck. They are every bit as useless as re=Thugs right now.
They must be feeling very secure in their jobs.
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Incumbents win elections better than 80% of the time.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Not to long ago it was 96%. Time to drive those numbers down a bit more. Hehehehe..........
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
they're worried about their jobs. They are more concerned with their overstuffed bank accounts.
Sorry to say, single payer has never been a player in this bill.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Several weeks ago Rep. Anthony Weiner attempted to bring an amendment to committee on H.R. 3200. The Amendment was H.R. 676, Medicare for All. Right before the vote was to have taken place Speaker Pelosi asked Chairman Waxman to ask Rep. Weiner if he would WITHDRAW his amendment IF she allowed a full House debate/vote on H.R. 676. Rep. Weiner gladly said, "Yes".
For those of you who would like to follow the schedule of when this historic debate/vote will take place, go to:
majority leader.house.gov
Then click on "Floor resources"
Then click on "Weekly Leader".
Every Friday afternoon the schedule for the House of Representatives is posted here for the next week.
This way we can all keep track of when this debate/vote will be happening...AS PELOSI PROMISED.
We may never have a Single Payer health system in this country, but after all the crap the committees are voting on this week and in coming weeks I think it will be refreshing to finally get to hear arguments in favor of the ONLY system that would be FAIR, affordable and would deliver quality health care to ALL Americans without the for-profit health insurance corporations being involved.
Abbybwood, R.N.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Thank you! °
Steny Hoyer Majority Leader (gag) here
Weekly Leader here
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Baucus had the single advocates who showed up early on ARRESTED.
The Baucus EIGHT here, later to be known as the Baucus Thirteen here
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I'm pretty much convinced at this point that you guys wont even get the public option let alone single payer.
The healthcare battle looks like it will be lost but the real war is on campaign finance reform. Once lobbies can no longer buy senate votes, you might have a chance at real healthcare reform.
We have more chance to see DC swept into the ocean at this point.
Thankfully. I would LOVE to see DC swept into the ocean. And every single member of Congress and the Senate with it.
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really though, at least to me, I don't see how any change will EVER happen until finance reform is done. Correction, I don't see how any change that isn't already convenient to big business will ever get implemented.
Exactly!
... 'nuff said.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
because Repubs never seem to cave to the Democrats on their issues. Party loyalty is a thing of the past. At least for me.
Either of them on the Finance Committee? Is your Representative in the House a Democrat? If so, where does s/he stand on health care reform?
We're talking about five Senators here, aren't we? Add the handful of Bluedogs in the House and we're still talking about a small precentage of Democrats.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Do the math. They can be a big problem.
I understand that he says it includes a 'public option', but I have read that it is only for the unemployed.
I freely admit that I do not trust Schumer. Maybe his is better with healthcare than he is with bloggers.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
You're right - we have no reason to trust Schumer.
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Americans dont care about pork stimulus projects...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfICUoWKBw
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The Rockefeller amendment allowed for a public option whose rates and reimbursement are the same as Medicare. The Schumer amendment would have a seperate board to set the rates and reimbursements. Both would only allow uninsured people to select the public option. The Wyden amendment (no action yet) would open up either to all of us (among other things). So both of them are not for everyone, but there's another amendment to fix that.
Baucus fucked this up goog, and I have no idea why this instead of the Kennedy bill or HR3200 should be the starting point for the debate.
I still like H.R. 676.-the Senate should just photocopy it already.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
freaking wonderful about "the Public Option" they voted down???
If not ALL Americans would be eligible for it and the proposal is for only 5% of the sickest Americans to be eligible, then what is all the fuss about?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Let's get real here folks, they are NOT, I repeat NOT voting for A Public Option that would allow ANY American to opt into a Medicare Single Payer system that would be deep sixing for-profit insurance corporations.
I'll ask John Amato one more time to please get Anthony Weiner or John Conyers on here to explain EXACTLY WHAT THE PUBLIC OPTION WOULD BE, WHO WOULD BE ALLOWED TO JOIN AND WHAT WOULD BE COVERED.
I think once the truth comes out people will realize this was all much ado about NOTHING!!!! (Since that's what the Public Option amounts to, IMHO.....NOTHING.)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
It's a fuck job from start to finish. At this point I hope the whole thing fails, because it gives us all time to build more momentum for a single payer system. This current crop of clowns is toast come their turns at re-election.
I last said this here
With link to Bruce Dixon's thoughts on the PHONY Public Option here
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is the term, "public option." Everything else is a possibility. Not going to happen. Kill this whole thing and start over with single payer or nothing.
medicare E (everyone); the only viable option. the so-called public option, robust or otherwise is a bust by contrast. and not a sound negotiating position if you really believe in health care reform. physicians and rn's have already gone to jail to get congress to act on single payer.
An article by Michael Moore and co-authored with Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director, California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee
Read why this is all wrong and then call your congress critters and maybe the White House too. Links at the end of the article.
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Yes --
"Why the Current Bills Don't Solve Our Health Care Crisis"
.. Michael Moore Article
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Maybe there should be some system in place where (...I dunno I'm totally just blueskying here ...) people somehow get chosen to go to Warshington to REPRESENT average americans ... not sure how it would all work but ... nah thats crazy ...
oh yeah by the way: TERM LIMITS
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Yeah, in my dreams....
Campaign Finance Reform and Term Limits...legislation written and voted on by The Congress!! LOLOLOLOL.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
yeah funny how that works ...
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They do more harm than good. Lobbyists end up dictating legislation to inexperienced legislators.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
then arent lobbyists the real problem?
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The lobbyist are the vectors. Money is the poison they transmit.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...but if people arent continually seeking re-election money they may actually do their jobs...and the lobbyists would have no sway ...so simple ...there I fixed it. :)
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The larger problem, however, is a Supreme Court of the United States that holds the opinion that the corporations represented by lobbyists have the rights of actual human beings, and that the political efforts of those corporations are protected by the First Amendment as political speech.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
While this is true, public campaign financing can still be used to turn back the special interests because it is the candidates choice. However, primary challengers would get an equal match of public funds to the exact amount an incumbant raises if they choose to use private funds.
– The cost of $6 per taxpayer per year would be a bargain at 100 times the price. We are currently wasting $5000 per taxpayer per year in pork barrel projects and no-bid contracts and unproductive subsidies, all given to the industries that fund the elections. $1300 per taxpayer at the state level.
– In AZ, ME and CT they have 70% of their elected politicians who have chosen to shun private money from special interests. They have virtually eliminated fundraisers.
– “Clean elections” levels the playing field and allows ordinary citizens to run against corporately-funded candidates.
– We taxpayers are paying these costs anyway, through increased government spending and when the special interests add their political costs to the price of their product and we reimburse them at the cash register.
In Arizona it’s not even taxpayer money that is being used, it’s a 10% surcharge on criminal fines. If you don’t want to contribute, don’t speed.
Ask your two Senators and Representative to sign on, support, and vote for “The Fair Elections Now Act” (S. 752 and H.R. 1826) introduced by Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) and by Reps. John Larson (D-Conn.) and Walter Jones, Jr. (R-N.C.).
http://www.throwtherascalsout.org/Fair_Electi...
...just kick the lobbyists out too!
they can both take a walk and go hand in hand!
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Yeah! Call a cop! FUCK YEAH!
Amerrrrica! Fuck YEAH!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Doesn't quite jibe with the philosophy of your Saint of Surfside.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Libertarian platform?
why don't you link me to some philosophy from my saint from surfside?
...what are you talking about?
drop me a link to "libertarians who are former lobbyists"...and I'll drop you (about fifty) links of dems who are former lobbyists...
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You call your Congressman- or anyone's Congressman- to campaign for a certain piece of legislation, and you are lobbying. You telling me that libertarians want to isolate legislators from the constituency?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I see the connection you are trying to make,and I think its feeble.
yes constituents do lobby...sort of...minus the caribbean vacations and what not...
I was implying "full time lobbyists" who get paid directly from one of the "industrial complexeseses"
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It's alright by you if the ACLU, The Sierra Club or the UAW employ paid, full time lobbyists, but not okay if the coal industry or the automotive industry do the same?
Again, I'm scratching my head seeing this coming from a tea-bagger- an original, pre-co-opted-by-the-GOP tea-bagger.
You do realize that the power to grant corporate charters is a state's right, not one afforded the federal government, no? Do you, Milquetoast, suggest that the federal government regulate more tightly to whom Delaware or Oregon grants charters, that the federal government should act as a moralistic gatekeeper?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Actually, term limits might not work. They could, but what is probably needed is the crafting and subsequent ratification of 7 new Constitutional Amendments. To wit:
1. Corporations and other entities are not persons, and thus do not enjoy any rights accorded to persons. Only people capable of independent existence may be considered persons. The lack of personhood shall in no way exempt corporations and other entities from all liabilities, punishments and remedies available under criminal and civil law.
2. All elections, from the local to the federal level shall be federally funded. Only persons may opt to donate money, up to $10, in 2009 dollars, as designated on their Federal Tax returns. Entities lacking personhood shall not enjoy this privilege.
3. The sole acceptable means of conducting business with elected officials shall be soley by means of petition, official mail that is the property of the public and through public hearings, in which all sides are represented. Closed door hearings relating to matters of national security shall have citizen oversight, whereby such oversight is decided in the manner of jury duty and juryselection. Elected officials who violate this standard of transparency and integrity shall be subjected to life in prison with forfeiture of all personal and family assets and wealth. Bribers and corrupters shall be subject to the death penalty.
4. The Federal Courts, Courts of Appeal and the Supreme Court shall always be compelled to decide in favor of the individual, the poor or otherwise disadvantaged, in favor the collective well-being of the People, or, in favor of the environment, when there is a conflict between these groups or interests and the power of the state, the power of business or the power of the wealthy and privileged. Any judge or justice sitting in any of these courts may be impeached for failing in this obligation.
5. the clause that obligates Congress to provide for the common defense, taxes and so on should be amended to include the obligation to provide universal cradle to grave healthcare, using it's power to tax as the means to meet this obligation.
6. The life cycle of every Federal agency, regardless of what branck of government established the agency, shall not exceed 25 years, from it's initial creation. Thereafter, it's continued existence must be approved by popular referendum every 25 years thereafter. The People shall also have the ability to abolish or restructure by referendum any federal agency, which by popular consensus, no longer serves the will of the People or their interests.
7. Pass the Equal Rights Amendment.
...or sentiments to that effect.
I really feel sorry for the young people of this country. Just look at what they'll be getting: a shitty environment, a trillion dollar debt and a health care system that will dump them in the grave. Shame.
is that the Democrats will be blamed for it all.
They deserve almost as much blame as the Re=Thugs do. We let it happen. Dems cave to everyfrickin'body.
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"Going along to get along."
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
not getting the peoples' work done. (surprise, working for their corporate masters)
this is not a two-party system. it's a corporate-owned kabuki scam ... with a few honest brokers to keep us in the game (you know, the cherry that comes up so you don't leave the machine)
because they had the means and the power to set things straight, but chose to line their pockets instead. They are evey bit as bad as the GOPers. It's either viable third party or 2nd revolution time. Can't figure which, though.
You'll get the revolution first, I'd bet.
to absolve the Dems from their equal share of the blame. Ready? Why isn't single payer on the table? Give a real reason, not the "it wouldn't pass" pretend answer. Your turn. Go! Anyone?
Some of those young people will go into politics and become rich and corrupt!
The rest are screwed...
add to that the realization that even if they organize and win a 'majority' those supposedly 'representing' them will screw them over and sell them outto Corporations anyway ... its a New World Odor ...
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is thanking his colleagues for slapping him around.
Jeez.
immediately against the public option. It worked. Time for arm twisting. Nice to see how these things work. Still no single payer because of bribery and shiny things.
Big Celebration on K Street tonite!!
Insurance companies will be paying double to receive a Congressional blowjob!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
At least.
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Rick Sanchez of cnn was just talking to congressman Weiner and as he spoke with him they were showing how much campaign money Weiner had recieved over the years from pharma and health care companies. Then Rick talked about how much money many reps and sens. had recieved from these companies. Rick said he saw a pattern here. Those who had recieved the very large bucks were voting against public option and many parts of the bill in general. I hope Rick heard the big, Well duh, that arose from everyone watching his show.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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But but but...we have the GREATEST healthcare in the world! It's the Cadillac of healthcare!!
Oh...makes me misty...*sniff*...let's all SING!!!
Gawwwwwd Bless A..merrrr...ica!!...Laaaaand...that I loooove....
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
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the vote on shumers amendment. it is interesting to watch the faces of the neyers when they utter the vote that will cost the lives of thousands of their weakest fellow americans. moment of truth.
Buh-bye, Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln, Carper, and Nelson. Just let the human waste compactor crush you on the way out.
...giggling quietly to itself...
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a national petition? I want to petition the justice department to investigate these GOPers Bribe-O-Crats for bribery, influence peddling and denial of honest service. When their own constitutents want what they they refuse to consider, and want it by an overwhelming majority, and when they have lavishly lined their own pockets with money from the interest for whom they are prostituting their offices, it would seem that a very strong case could be made for prosecuting them.
Until these kind of crooks start being sent up for long prison terms, their brand of quid pro quo bribery is going to continue. If the DoJ got a petition with a few million signatories, it might get off its ass and do something about it. The laws exist to prevent these kinds of crimes of corruption, and the corruption is never going to stop if they aren't enforced.
Anybody got any ideas?
Ideas?
1) Watch American Idol
2) Watch Dance Your Ass Off
3) Watch Dancing With The Stars
4) Watch Brooke Knows Best...
or...
COPS, Reform School, The Real Wives of what ever county has the most impressive tits at the moment...
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
but I was soliciting ideas about how to set up a national petition.
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
...to do a "two for one deal" and have him/her work on that torture thing too while they're at it....
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http://petition2congress.com/2/create/?gclid=...
Here is a report that Common Cause created called "Legislating Under the Influence" which will provide you with some useful data and statistics.
http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLN...
I'll check it out.
I have wondered the same thing. Why doesn't somebody with a law degree file a suit against them?
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
I give up.
all those legislators who have made it legal to accept bribes. You know the ones who voted down term limits and so on. The ones who are now going to bring you mandatory purchase of private corporation goods and "services," and make mandatory the use of barely tested vaccines and drugs for Big Pharma. Welcome to your nightmare.
why vigilante "justice" comes about.
Baucus, Conrad, Lincoln should be on everyones bullseye
LimpBalls
This should not be surprising to anyone as we all know the Senate Finance Committee is nothing but a whore committee to special interests.
Any legislation that passes IS going to be passed through reconciliation period. Democrats don't need 60 they only need 50. Democrats will need to get creative to weave their way through the Byrd rule and some things will have to be thrown out. However, take what had to be thrown out and use that stuff to beat the GOP and Blue Dogs over the head with in the midterms.
The Rightwing PR machine will now go into full swing on how Reconcilliation is COMMUNIST! Their talking points we heard today at the Finance Committee will be regurgitated endlessly. The insurance lobbyists will be furiously stuffing the pockets of Dems & Repubs alike. Any legislation in the end will be practically useless. And unfortunately, the WH will remain quiet until it's way too late, like they did with the "death panel" strategy.
rule gets what it needs. It will not be a problem, because the single payer proposal satisfies its requirement. Zippity do dah! Law! Ta-Da. Thank you very much. We win. Corps can go to hell. Some may say this is too simple. It isn't.
Schumer's was voted down 13-10
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Conrad and Lincoln are running next year. The democrats better damn well get somebody to take them out in the primaries.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
Now is when we write (real letters), email, and phone all the senators who voted against these amendments and CALL THEM OUT! They need to hear from a large group of people that this is not OK! Act TODAY!
Even if the Senate Finance Committee votes it down, they're going to put an amendment with the public health option on the floor vote. What exactly was Baucus' reasoning for voting against it? Because it had no chance of passing? I have no use for any Democrat that voted against either amendment. Carper has no excuse. He's from Delaware which is as blue as it gets. Primary the bastard. Seriously, I don't care how red the state is these Dems are coming from. A public option is popular among their constituents. Glad the conservadems are put on record.
"Primary the bastard"
It's now a verb.
Let's make it happen. I'm so angry, I can barely see straight. With Democrats like these who needs repugs?
Delaware wont' primary Carper. Not a chance. We are having enough trouble trying to figure out how they are going to turn over Biden's old senate seat to his son Beau.
Carper is safe he knows it.
He is in the pockets of the corporations. Delaware may be blue, but the Senators and congressman are plainly for Big Business.
Sickening
at this early date. He will ultimately screw us. It's strategy.
Please do not be fooled into thinking Delaware is a blue state. It is THE corporate state. Research it. You'll be shocked and amazed.
Who cares if the Repukes will fillibuster anyways ? YOU have a majority in both houses plus the WH itself. Its just a cop out because
you have been bought and paid for and refuse to admit it. Let them fillibuster. Roll out the cots and order the pizza. Jesus H Christ....
Spineless fucking pussies.
In April, when Obama was getting his budget passed, the Democrats slipped a tiny bit of text called a “reconciliation instruction” into the budget bill. What that means is that if a particular legislative issue (health care in this case) is not resolved by a certain date (October 15 in this case), that particular issue can pass through the Senate by means of reconciliation, which means there is only limited debate, and that it only needs a majority vote to pass, not 60. Only 50 + 1 which would be Biden's vote
There are obstacles to maneuver in terms of what the Parliamentarian will allow to passed.
Read more here: http://discuss.epluribusmedia.net/content/how...
Im not even American....LMAO I sometimes wonder why i even care or bother. I have universal health care. I just like people , hate crooks and corruption , and know a good screwing when i see one.
This time the bastards are flying in the face of 60 to 70% polls of Americans who demand a better shake at health care. MAKE THEM PAY FOR THEIR TREASON !!!!
in this hallowed hall of blog commentary will shatter the chains
which bind the sleeping giant of the American public and reform not just health care, but the campaign finance system and lobbying as well. We will do in 2010 what we almost did in 2008.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
are no match for the USSC and the deep, deep pockets of lobbyists.
With the USSC set to overturn campaign reform, democracy as we know it (or thought we knew it) will pretty much cease to exist.
Do you know something I don't? The Supreme Court has not ruled yet. I do not think they will allow corporations to open their coffers because doing so would be extremely dangerous to the sovereignty of the United States because multi-national companies would be given the green light to unduly influence our government.
for, thus their appointment of G.W. Bush to the position of President of the United States in 2000. I'm sorry to tell you that, but it's true. One of the biggest disappointments of my life was learning that fact. I really am sorry to have to tell you that, but if a problem is not acknowledged and understood, there is very little chance it can be fixed.
You mean the US Supreme Court, and the way it is poised to overturn corporate contribution limitations? And how the United States will then truly be owned by corporate masters?
Yep, it's true...and nobody is talking about it much.
The details are here.
thanks for providing the link
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