Is that what a National Secret is? The secret copyright treaty
By John Amato Monday Mar 16, 2009 5:45amRemember yesterday's post about how the Obama administration had refused to release the details of a secret copyright treaty because doing so would compromise "national security?" Well, it turns out that there are plenty of people who are cleared to be privy to this "sensitive" document -- strangely, they all seem to work for giant copyright companies!
Of course, they're allowed to know what's in the treaty -- but the public, activist groups, consumer rights groups, and the artists whom this treaty is supposed to protect are all forbidden from knowing what it says.
Login or Register to post comments.
That's a bunch of goddamned bullshit!
Obama, we didn't hire you to do this kinda shit.
Get with the fucking program.
just another, in a series of lies, told by Obama and his Administration.
how many flips and reversals and Bush policy adoptions do you need to see or be told of before you realize that Obama DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU.
Obama works for the ESTABLISHMENT.
Look at ALL of his appointments and advisers. All establishment and elite made-members. Show me one, in a position of importance, that isn't a member of the establishment.
That's what I was trying to say last night, in my drunken gibberish post. I am seeing allot of problems.
Why Obama classified the Copyright Treaty
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/03...
Looks as if we may have to keep our torches and pitchforks at the ready for a bit longer...I was hoping they could be put away...
Price of freedom and all that.
I guess not...
Government and governance in the United States have only one true purpose: the propagation of capitalism, which of necessity includes the protection of its ruling class and the methodical subjugation of all the rest of us.
I'm becoming REALLY unhappy with this guy, MAN has he changed, he's defending bush's bizarre position in FAR too many legal perspectives
power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
obama is surely corrupting himself
Oh for God's sake.
He hasn't changed. He's merely removing the mask he wore.
the position didn't corrupt him. You got conned by a smooth talking snake oil/car salesman. He NEVER would have gotten this far unless he was vetted by the elite and the establishment BEFORE he ran for office.
Own up to it.
Otherwise, you're no different than the rest of us.
Maybe you need a Christmas Sweater and a Fear Room ...
I see you can't handle the Truth.
resorting to ad hominems in the face of the Hope crushing Truth Being Told.
pity.
... what I'm objecting to is your serving up the same fear parade as Glenn Beck.
Ooooooh, can't trust Obama. Oooooh, it's evil corporations. Ooooooh, you're all gonna die ...
So, given that the system is corrupt/broken, how do we fix it? Do you really believe that a third party is any less compromised than the GOP/Democrats?
What the truth is, is that everything is a tradeoff. Don't like Bush? We traded one slick line of patter for one that doesn't make our teeth grind. Don't like Obama? Okay, fine - what are you willing to trade to get something you like? Nothing? No compromise, ever?
how or why should you, compromise with a corrupt system?
its already proven dozens of times of how Obama has lied, or reversed his positions to align with his predecessor.
and you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt, or pin your hopes to the "its only been 2 months" excuse.
The fears I am serving up are real. Thats the difference between me and Beck. And do you doubt that the corporations are evil? At least the corporation that have gotten us into this trouble?
Tell me, why would Obama stack the deck with Wall Street hacks such as Geitner/Summers/Volker et al, unless he was going to CONTINUE screwing the US middle and lower classes over? You think these Wall St. vipers and thieves are going to turn over a new leaf because Obama takes over the head PR spot for the oligarchy?
Fine. The corporations are corrupt. As it turns out, I work for a corporation, I owe money to corporations for my car, my home, my electricity, my water. I pay taxes that corrupt politicians misappropriate.
The fact remains that they're the ones in charge.
I see the choice of Geithner, et al as one of those tradeoffs - you pick people that aren't 100% acceptable in terms of trashing the temple marketplace, in order to even be heard. Sad, but true.
And you think Beck's nonsense isn't something he actually believes is real? I'd love it if he had a Soupy Sales moment. ("That ought to hold the little bastards ...")
oh come on, there are corporations, and then there are CORPORATIONS.
at least pretend to know the difference here in this debate.
I work for CBS. My home loan was originally with Countrywide. I live in California, where we got screwed for electricity by Enron.
I think I have MY corporations straight.
They don't have to be the ones in charge. You can remove them from power. I've advocated Guillotines. It works for many revolutions. There is no reason that this Oligarchy should be allowed to continue when it is counter to not just "the minorities" but now "the majority".
Apartheid serves Israel well, and I bet Apartheid will be thrust upon America. The minority in power will be the rich and the rest of us will have our land and valuables taken.
This has been a long time in coming. When you let Nixon off the hook you said "Corruption? criminality? I accept that."
He showed that there is no adverse impact to intruding on the rights laid down by our forefathers. Now, Obama has shown either one of three things. 1) He could not maintain his morales in the role that he was elected into, 2) that he lied his way into office (remember he was an attorney), or 3) he really does not hold power, and another individual/group who holds the reigns have made him aware of the consequences in going against their grain.
What solutions do we have as the people? The sole answer is civil disobedience. We cannot rely on our electorate to accomplish anything on our behalf. It is not profitable to them. Or, if you would like the easy way out, run to another country, and complain about their government when you arrive.
This is not an easy thing to digest. Obama did make it apparent that he has no interest in pushing forward an agenda that benefits the regular Joe Schmoe in American. While senator, he showed that he is not a leader, but someone that follows the pack for personal gain. This is the culture of our elected officials. Perform favors for one in exchange for favors in return. This is an ugly truth about politics. I've heard one congressman say that you have to be willing to sell your own grandma. Pretty ugly, but so is politics.
close up of your eyes.
A president could be 10 times less corrupt, competent and 10 times more honest than Bush and STILL be a lying thieving crook.
Thats why I was always clear in not supporting Obama as a solution to our problems in the election as much as I was about spiting McCain.
actually,
who is more dishonest? At least with Bush you knew what he was.
Or,
the man who sells himself as the Anti-Bush, makes all kinds of statements and promises to reverse the preceding years of corruption and abuse of the Rule of Law
and then adopts or "tweaks" some of the Bush policies that he campaigned on, and then fills his administration with a vipers nest of Wall Street lobbyists/crooks and other establishment made-men/women?
The deceiver, in my opinion, is worse. He crushes your Hopes
I prefer to have my hopes crushed than have two illegal wars started AND through inaction allow the global economy destruct. But I get your point.
That's kind of what I have though too. Obama can't buck the system with the snap of his fingers (he'd be offed as quickly as a Kennedy.)
I wanted to see the blithering idiot (and Co.) replaced, and not have another blithering idiot take his place (that would be Palin/McCain.)
That probaly won't please some commenters, but I do see America moving in a much more liberal way already. That part is good.
But I agree, it IS moving a bit to the left innit?
And that TOTALLY pisses off some commenters, (who shall remain nameless)BIGTIME, LOL!
"The Right Wingers have adopted the strategy and tactics of the failed right wing plotters in Weimar Germany. First, stoke the resentment of the population about the increasingly dire state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions were created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretend to befriend the little guy.
If Obama is successful, it will not only advertise the full extent of their failure, it will provide a model of liberal governance that would render Republicans irrelevant for decades, much as FDR's success left them out in the political cold for an entire generation. Liberal failure is a matter of life and death for Republicans."
you still dont get it ! thier never never was a pot of gold at the end of baracks rainbow, anytime you want to know how your countrys screwing you over thiers, national security , shhhh the enemys listening, loose lips sinks ships, your not smart enough to handle this information, bush is a great guy lets get out them golf clubs and go for the back nine with him and bill clinton!
as to why these documents can seen by lobbyist all over, but not by the American people. Not only that, but out of 806 pages, only 10 were declassified. What's in this thing that needs to be kept such a secret? So much for transparency huh.
... is that it doubtless involves trade agreements with China, and/or using government/military assets to secure commercial property.
I'm not excusing the action, just making a guess as to WHY.
Whatever it is, it's not going to be good for us or else it wouldn't be so secretive.
yeah, if he Obama is going to keep a Copyright Treaty secret,
what else will he keep secret and un-investigated?
Oh, I forgot, Obama is more interested in moving forward, than in going after war criminals.
He's a very busy man and can't be expected to be distracted with time-wasters such as Justice and the reaffirming the Rule of Law.
He is, after all, keeping all those nifty new executive branch powers that his predecessor left for him.
stuff like...whats that phrase we heard so much during the last 8 years..."sources and methods"...I could maybe kinda understand the rationale behind it...still...I don't like it...
After the last 8 years....I have developed a strong mistrust of the govt.
And it will take a fucking saint in the WH, to change that.
I agree. I find myself thinking that everything that they do, they do to get over on us somehow. Well, at least we recognize it.
but what to do?
See my response below.
..reduced to playground taunts. Well done, gentlemen!
I know that's a risky thing to do, but that would be one way to starve the monster.
Simply stop feeding it what it needs. Money.
I know people cower at the thought of getting in the IRS's face, but other than fighting for a viable Third Party that takes all the freedom loving platforms from the right and the social justice/truth from the Progressive Left, I just don't know of any other viable solution to this problem.
Obviously, having an honest, patriotic Attorney General would be a great first step, but alas, I fear Mr. Obama has just hired his own personal attorney just like Bush did with Mukasey and Gonzales.
Well that would certainly explain all the security to prevent leaks of new Harry Potter books.
Valerie Plame should have such security.
The Blue Meanies are going to stop giving people free stuff or something? No more you tube and mp3 downloads?
It may about criminal prosecutions for copyright offenders as opposed to so far merely civil suits.
I.E. Jail time for uploading/downloading instead of just warning letters from RIAA or your ISP.
links, embedded video?
there is the fair use doctrine which SHOULD cover that (but you never know. could be an attempt to revive the newspaper industry by stopping all the aggregate news sites giving it away for free), but I mean more along the lines of peer-to-peer file sharing of whole movies or music.
Mon, 03/16/2009 - 07:23 — Evet
The Blue Meanies are going to stop giving people free stuff or something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIgC1GWC38
in a yellow submarine Yeehawwww!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
He's a real Nowhere Glenn
Sitting in his Nowhere Den
Making all his Nowhere plans with nobody
Doesn't have a point of view
(Least it makes no sense to you)
Isn't he too crazy for TV?
Nowhere Glenn, please listen
It's the facts that you're missing
Nowhere Glenn ...
You've got to let go this fear of Islam ...
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=blue+me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzss_Au_8hM
The claim of national security has been used since at least Pearl Harbor to keep politically explosive material hidden from the public.
There are still a lot of pearl Harbor-related documents that are classified on the grounds of national security.
Why? So the public won't see that Roosevelt had clear foreknowlege of the attacks. Read, e.g., "Day of Deceit".
Another example: There are LOTS of CIA and FBI documents on the JFK assassination that remain hidden away on the grounds of national security. We all know why.
The American people have gone along for the ride on these cover-ups.
Obama's simply a student of history when it comes to the copyright treaty.
Hear that sound of squawking?
It's rollin' 'round the bend,
And I ain't seen the sunshine,
Since, I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Folsom Prison,
And time keeps draggin' on,
Ever play the game 'JFK Reloaded'? It was on shelves for a VERY brief time, because it allowed players to re-enact the shooting in Dallas, and you would be scored on how closely you matched Oswald's shots/timing/hits.
That's funny...in an awful way...promoting the myth Oswald did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWRruIYAYss&fe...
If Oswald did it All By Himself, he was the best sniper this world has ever seen. Almost all the time, I kill Connally instead of wounding him, and manage to only graze JFK before the car speeds off.
and if he didn't do it?
what does that logically lead to?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2238...
This is what happens when you apply science and forensics to the Dallas shooting.
Samuel Clements and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle would be ashamed at the bullshit you people swallow nowadays. Thinking and considering are not things to be mocked they are what seperate us from animals.
Please use your brain and apply logic, deduction and science to the world and stay within the confines of reality.
You will see a different world where the powerful prey on and play with us.
Please, Think.
If C&L is open to suggesting it publicly, we need a peaceful protest against copyright laws. Make Obama return the laws to what they used to be: works enter the public domain 50 years after publication, not 90 as the rewritten laws currently are.
I advocate that people start copying and distributing published works recorded in 1958 and earlier or which would have entered the public domain by now under older laws. I do not mean the public should do it for profit or to avoid paying royalties, but rather as a big middle finger to the corporations which have bribed politicians to extend copyright laws unnecessarily. Most notable and guilty of such bribery (under the false name of "lobbying") are record companies and Disney, among many others.
The public should obey copyright laws to the letter as they once were, but without reselling works that would have entered the public domain. For example, "Steamboat Willie" should have entered the public domain 30 years ago, and Duke Ellington's and others' music recorded before 1959. If an organized campaign were to start file sharing these pieces enough times, Disney and record companies would be unable to sue or name everyone. Eventually, they might be forced to relent just to get a reasonable 60 year expiration date.
The most egregious thing about the rewritten copyright laws is the hypocrisy of those who own the copyrights and want the copyrights to be extended. Disney has profitted tens of millions of dollars from works in the public domain (e.g. Cinderella, Snow White), yet bribes politicians repeatedly to prevent their own works from entering the public domain.
This has to stop. Having one's property be protected is one thing, but there's a point beyond which it is no longer reasonable and is done solely for greed and selfishness. These companies reached that point twenty years ago, if not longer.
The establishment laughs at your peaceful protests.
We can't stop illegal wars or tortures with our peaceful protests, what makes you think you can stop a classified Copyright treaty?
are getting kicked around by the rich, there's such a strong tradition of obedience to authority in America that most people just take it in stride and just get on with their lives. This is a population with an severe "abuse" problem.
agreed, but not only that, the vast majority are herded in the divide-and-conquer political propaganda that BOTH SIDES use against them.
there are those that don't know any better, those that think they are on the "winning" side, and those that think as long as it doesn't touch them they wont have to get involved.
then there is also the masochists too who actually like being servants to the state.
Someone actually offers the seed of an idea of how to fix it, TBT pisses on them.
You're a troll, TBT, dropping in to do nothing but foment anger. You offer no solutions and you never will. Leads me to believe that you want to see this continue.
BTW, tell the truth about yourself. You paid to foment? Got your own marginalized political agenda? Or are you just too unimaginative to actually offer solutions?
Black Bush strikes again!
OMFG,
I can't believe I missed this one.
Fantastic. Hilarious. So correct.
It's time to throw out ALL incumbents.
It's time for term limits..which I NEVER supported before.
It's time to send a CLEAR message to Washington...that this shit has got to stop.
NO MORE corporate campaign donations. ZERO. NADA.
The system should be changed where a candidate is required to secure x number of signatures to be put into a primary. Then each qualified candidate gets a FIXED amount of money from the public coffers for their campaign. The networks will be REQUIRED to provide equal time to all candidates.
The people are being removed from democracy. If this doesn't change, then the people should do what is required by the Constitution.
you mean what is required by the Declaration.
remember...this is a country that has never understood REALLY understood or experienced civil unrest.
The Civil War was a cakewalk, compared to the shit that went on and still to a certain extent goes on in other countries when the masses reach the breaking point.
The public is TAPPED out. There was actually a conversation on tv this weekend talking about how Americans SAVING money instead of spending it is BAD. LUNACY! Private companies supping at the public trough. Private corporations having losses covered by public funds...and then paying out bonuses!! to failed sales executives. LUNACY!
AIG has zero net worth...that is the bottom line. If they can't meet their financial obligations...then the company should DIE. And PLEASE don't talk to me about how allowing that will cause the end of the world. BULLSHIT. THAT is the big lie. AIG will be replaced, that is how the free market and capitalism work.
One of my colleagues said to me..."well...if you don't pay the bonuses...then you lose talent and wreck the business." My response..."THERE IS NO BUSINESS!! That is the point. AIG IS DEAD. DONE. FINI. KAPUT."
you may be right...
I'm also thinkin....they may want us to.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
that would actually be L&P...
democracy ain't free.
I don't think the Founding Fathers were having a good time when this country was formed.
We are fat, complacent and easily cowed. They would be ashamed of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGRvIRfxvI
They sure as hell would be ashamed...and quite disgusted.
the founders would flip on the basis of your comment alone.
they never fought for democracy.
to them, democracy was a tyranny of the masses. Democracy was to be avoided.
If you have got that perception of the what the Founding Fathers wanted, no wonder your lost about the issues I raise.
really? Term limits?
and just who is going to send this legislation to vote on?
who is going to sign this into law?
The system/establishment will NEVER allow the masses to hand-cuff it like that.
Face it....
the corporations and the establishment, however narrow or broad you want to define it, will NEVER EVER allow their power to be curtailed from what it is now. You think you can muster enough support to push it through a corrupt system now? Imagine that corrupt system galvanized to protect itself from the unwashed masses.
lock and load.
I still believe in this President. I believe that he is a good man...that he knows what is broken...and truly wants to fix it.
Have you seen him lately. He looks like he's aged 30 years. He's worn and graying rapidly. You fight against this system and see what it does to you.
He is fighting against the same forces that Kennedy fought against, only a thousand times worse.
oh bullcrap.
he has issued - from his own mouth - lie after lie after lie.
He is fighting against the system???? OH PLEASE. He has further empowered the system. There is NO refuting this.
there is an old but true phrase:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice.... ain't gonna be fooled again. heh heh.
but seriously...
Obama is way past the Fool Me once segment.
as mine is mine.
Unless you have the White House bugged, you don't know.
My opinion is based on what I see and what I believe.
You don't agree. Fine. Doesnt' make you wrong...doesn't make me wrong either.
Actually both are the utilization of Argumentum ad Ignoratiam, but at least you admit you're going by empiricism, and not false authority.
do you deny that Obama has said one thing, and done another?
do you deny the entire premise of his being elected as the reverse course from the corrupt and unlawful Bush administration?
is that my view of the world is based on throwing up my hands and saying that nothing can be done.
If you have no faith or hope...well...rope is still inexpensive.
I never said there was no hope.
I just said that there is no hope using the system guarded and defended by the elite/establishment.
what system would you like to use?
Stopped the inclusion of all Third Party candidates from being allowed in the debates after the Ross Perot fiasco?
As I recall, Perot got 20% of the popular vote. That was just a little bit much for the power elite.
Then Jesse Ventura won Minnesota as a Third Party candidate, just stealing enough votes from the Demopublican Party to win.
The "powers that be" cannot allow a WILD CARD CANDIDATE to EVER win in a major election!
The fact that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party poo-bahs made sure after Perot that THEY and only THEY would be in control of all future Presidential debates should be enough of a display of red flags for all of us to see, and in so doing realize, that our "democratic" system has been co-opted.
and now the powers that be are indoctrinating that Patriots and third party candidates are to suspected of being home-grown terrorists
people with Ron Paul stickers are to be considered suspects
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/0...
oh, by the math of some here -
Obama hater = Bush lover.
Obama=Bush.
Funny, your the only one using that equation.
The whole idea that the parties are in power is laughable.
You have two choices, both owned by rich people. That's your choice.
You can choose Outright Fascism, or just Authoritarianism. Each "crisis" taken full advantage of too put more restrictions on the population.
They will not allow third parties because the rich do not control them. Jesse Ventura won and the CIA asked him questions. The only question they drilled him on was "How did you win?"
Think about that. Does the fact that Prescott Bush helped form the CIA from Army Intelligence have anything to do with it? The CIA protects the interests of rich white powerful men, and not much else.
I'd like to know how it effects me and my family, other then their only letting the big shots in on the secret. Some secrets are absolutely necessary no matter how much it stirs your natural curiosity. I'll let ya in on a little secret... get worked-up, your imagination will eat you alive, if you let it. 2010 is fast approaching, don't lose site of that fact... Is there anyone here with a copyright that is troubled by this story?
Anyone with a blog (like this site here) is concerned about it. Technically, many of the videos and articles posted here are copyrighted by the original sources.
Myself, as someone who makes a living creating copyrighted material, is very interested in what is going on behind closed doors.
Much like anyone who pays an electricity bill or fills their car with some form of energy providing substance was (or should have been) interested in what Cheney was doing behind closed doors with energy execs in 2001; anyone who reads a blog, newspaper, book, watches a movie, listens to radio or music should have some interest in this subject. Though, I don't expect it to be the forefront of most people's attention given the other more pressing issues of the day.
"Myself, as someone who makes a living creating copyrighted material, is very interested in what is going on behind closed doors."
Do you own the respective copyrights too said material? The Copyright concept, too me seems to be in need of an overhaul. I remember OJ was alleged to have attempted to copyright his initials "OJ" during his infamous trial, so as to make $$ every time someone would use his initials "OJ" to make money? It was a MSM thing so I'm not sure if it was true. :-/
I don't know much about copyrights, though I do believe the terms are far to long. Drug companies get like 20 years, I don't know, maybe that's a patent? We have to get Corporations out of government... like that hasn't been said! :-P
Thanks again, and all the best to you and your loved ones.
The book (of which I was one of six authors), was scanned (illegally) by the City of Los Angeles and posted online. I stumbled upon it by accident. None of the authors (nor the committee for whom the book was written) was ever contacted for permission.
Since the book was written for a non-profit organization, there is no financial loss for me, though the organization has probably lost sales of books (necessary to recoup the printing costs) still in boxes somewhere.
This issue is indeed an important one for those who depend upon a paycheck from royalties.
... have published work online which is part of a game owned and operated by Simutronics Corporation. They retain the rights due to the NDA, which isn't a big thing.
Same as the old boss. Nothing ever fucking changes in this shitty country. I had reservations about Obama in the primaries but I put them aside because he was very convincing. But after two months in office, I can already see what kind of leader he's going to be; just another politician who says whatever he needs to say to get elected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsMQbedCZj0
approve of the stem cell deal?
That Ronald Reagan's wife Nancy promoted???
THAT Stem Cell deal??
That B the one. :-) I like it... I like it allot!!!
PS. How is everything out on the island? I read they're having problems filling boat slips out in the Hamptons?
for Spring, Summer and Fall.
Then I'm heading back to Cali right after Halloween.
Looks like Sonoma County for me.
I'll tell you, going from the Hamptons to Pittsfield, Mass. has really been a major culture shock.
I miss the great restaurants!! Waaaa!!! And streets with no potholes. And intelligent conversations in the local newspapers.
I happen to be living in the town where the lesbian "wife" called 911 to complain that her "husband" had come home all pie-eyed with a turkey baster and her brother's semen in order to impregnate the "wife". The wife apparently went batshit nuts, locked herself in the bathroom then jumped in her car to try to escape, nearly killing her "husband". Oh boy.
Practically every restaurant here has dead animals all over the walls and big stuffed bears near the entrances.
Doh!
But it's so peaceful and the birds singing all around are wonderful!! Ha!! And the local City Hall is contaminated with a 15 Radon reading, which they are trying to fix.
Yikes!
A secret law/treaty??
Who the FUCK does this Administration think they're kidding?? If any treaty or law has any incidence on any segment of the citizenry/work force, the very least condition of validity is for said document to be KNOWN.
DUH!!!
As for "National Security" stuff it where it is dark 24/7.
Copyright laws and treaties are about commercial interests. They aren't about national security any more than laws about printing the sugar content on food wrappers. Keeping it secret is bullshit. There is too much big business happening around intellectual capital. It's time to reign that in a little.
what did u expect from the most bought and paid for wall street shill in the history of the US??
Or are all of you?
So they have a Copyright Treaty, whatever the f*ck that means. So these are some sort of new laws and regulations, or something of that sort? So wouldn't we know what it's all about when they suddenly start putting these new laws and regulations into place? How would judges and the lower courts be able to prosecute people for laws they did not know existed? Am i just a moron here? What could possible be so explosive about this? Maybe it's a treaty they're trying to push so they can crack down on the torrent providers in the countries without extradition? These nations won't allow extradition, but they'll allow us to arrest copyright infringement citizen's? Yeah, good luck getting anybody to sign that.
Here's the deal, I spend a lot more money than I should ever year going to the movies. I also rent quite frequently. If I want to download a torrent once in awhile, I'm going to, and I won't feel guilty about it in the least bit. As far as music goes, bands have, for a very long time, made most of they're money touring. Record sales make record executives rich.
Let these idiots do whatever they think they can do to protect their extinct business model. They shout capitalism, but now that something better, faster, strong has come out, the INTERNET, and people can release THEY'RE intellectual content without the help of big money, they need to scramble to try and get some bogus shit passed. Hey, what about your capitalism now?
Now, the day all the internet providers align and start regulation their service, is the day a new upstart gets together and starts taking over their customer base. They are already in too heated a competition race to even think about starting to limit people's service. We recently tried to switch to vonage, and they don't even talk to one another when it comes to helping people switch, and they even have some bogus FCC regulations in place that deter people from switching.
Any ways, I'm done ranting about the fall of the big business copyright hoarders. Whatever they pass will fail.
Hollywood isn't stupid any ways. They've already started to change the way they think about the internet, and have already started making money off it again. Want to stay rich execs? Invest in Itune, Hulu, and any other of the promising internet media upstarts.
required to enact a treaty? Don't they then become the highest law of the land in an American court? How could any of this process be kept secret? How can anyone be held accountable to a secret law? Can this be true? It it is, what would Kafka say?
So.
Congress is supposed to make a formal Declaration of War. Yet they gave that up.
Congress is supposed to the source of the nation's money supply, and they gave that up.
that stuff is so pre-9/11.
and for some more disappointment,
you got Obama shilling for the Bush Admin explanation of that day's events.
you got Obama keeping under wraps the torture that went on by the US, according to the leaked Red Cross report.
Obama... accessory after the fact.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/u...
Remember this?
"I ... will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
thank you for this great contribution.
of course, the cult members will say Obama hasn't had enough time to do these yet.
Be in secret sessions with Sen. Leahy and many other Senators and be promised an open hearing, then be ignored totally by every member of Congress because she was put under a lifetime gag by the Bush Justice Department???
Why doesn't Obama lift that gag order on Sybil Edmonds?
She was singing about Turkey and other countries doing dirty deals with U.S. Congressmen and lots more, especially dealing with the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
I say, NO SECRETS, especially if they are only there to protect a bunch of filthy, lawbreaking Congressmen and other criminals.
well obamas new admirers grow longer as each each day dawns , pat robertson , amen barack, joe liberman , baracks my main man, george w bush id walk a mile for baracks sweet smile, secrete agreements you gotta love em!
.
Imagine if the Bill of Rights was a National Secreat!
.
The negotiations are secret.
When it comes time for the Senate to ratify the treaty, what has been agreed upon in those negotiations won't be secret.
It's important to know what ACTA, in a general sense is about. Here's a pdf. from the EU which outlines it.
There have been leaks. Here's what, in November, the European Commission (charged by the EU to negotiate the treaty) had to say about the leaks:
[emphasis added]
I'm pretty sure what's got folks upset is that they think that the folks listed at Boing Boing are actually negotiating the treaty. They aren't. They're advisors, and the leaked material is most probably they're advisory papers (And, btw, that's only about 1/4 of the list od advisors. If you keep following the links from Boing Boing, you'll find the rest of the advisors here). But the people who are doing the negotiating for the US are from the USTR, who answer to the President, and ultimately to you and I. It's up to you and I to contact the President and let him know that we won't support him if he agrees to draconian measures in the agreement.
And if he does agrre to these draconian measures, it's up to us to let our Senators know that we won't support them if they vote to ratify such a treaty.
the nice thing is they dont give a rats nuts what you support , the corporations keep them in power! sim sala bim!
its not so hard.
the Constitution is just a GD piece of paper.
The Bill of Rights anyway???
Interesting to see Monsanto privy to this info. They seed their patent GM product next to ordinary farms, infect their neighbors crops with GM pollen, then claim ownership of all crops, suing their rape victims for the resulting child.
...Are prehistoric thugs. They should go sue Andy Warhol. If making a collage isn't illegal, then making a digital media collage should not be either. It's the natural evolution of that artform. Hip-Hop has suffered greatly from copyrights laws. These distributors have made the fatal error of confusing the product with the packaging. A CD/DVD is a vehicle, not an art object. What they(RIAA/MPAA) are fighting for is to protect the profits associated with packaging and distribution. Something the consumer no longer needs or wants.
-It's like they've been selling ferry rides(Music trapped on a CD) at inflated prices, and the ppl built a bridge(p2p). I won't be bothered by the fall of the big media companies, they offer me and the other artists very little bang for the buck. They aren't fighting for artists, just control.
Obama is pissing me off about digital healthcare records and copyrights.
Is starting to sound like the same administration we thought we had voted out...
Do these people really believe that we are this stupid... Looks like they are trying to ride on Obama's popularity to screw over the Americans again...
No Plans to stop the war in Iraq , but only to move over half of the soldiers to another war...
No plans to stop the illegal spying on Americans , will use Bush's same spying crew including the Jewish which are number one in that field..
No plans to put the prisoners on trial , just call it a different name.
No plans to prosecute Bush and his criminal administration..
Still feeding our tax money to the financial crooks.. But being that Americans are really p... off againg after hearing that they not only still are taking their bonuses , but given billions of our tax money overseas to shore up foreign countries.
I just noticed some of my favourite blogs are suddenly going offline. There won't be an internet soon with what these jackoffs have planned.
Login or Register to post comments.