Nancy Pelosi hammers down the coffin lid on the public option
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was firm today: A public option will not be included in the reconciliation package. After reminding reporters that she has been for single payer health care since "before most of [them] were born", she explained there would be no public option in the reconciliation bill. Expanding that answer, she pointed the finger at the Senate, saying,"[the Senate] does not have the votes."
We can argue about whether the Senate has the votes or not, but as TPM reports, Senate support has diluted as more Senators make qualified commitments. Of those making some sort of commitment, only 24 have actually signed the Bennet letter. The rest have given only qualified nods.
But the latest support rests on increasingly unstable grounds, with recent additions to the list naming multiple caveats. Sen. John Tester (D-MT), for example, said, "It depends on how it was designed." Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND) said he wouldn't vote for a public option that reimburses doctors at the Medicare rate. Sen. Russ Feingold's office told TPM he'd only support a public option that lowers the deficit by $25 billion.
Despite the lack of a public option, some little-recognized provisions in the Senate bill do actually serve the purpose of offering lower-cost insurance. Policies negotiated by the OPM which cannot be operated or priced for profit is one way to force competition, particularly when it requires companies to spend 95% of the premium paid on actual benefits. I have issues with the state opt-in provisions the Senate attached, but I still expect rates to be lower than ordinary commercial policies in states where they're offered.
If the effort put into the public option was redirected into pushing Congress to remove the opt-in provisions and make the insurance exchange national as part of future legislation it would be a better use of energy. Or alternatively, push toward Grayson's solution of offering at-cost buy-in option to Medicare to everyone. Either idea has a better chance than beating a horse that's died, been laid to rest and had the coffin nailed shut by none other than Speaker Pelosi.
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hope you all are happy now
way or the other until she took impeachment off the table. Now she's doing the same with the Public Option. Two for two. Like she said yesterday "it would be too much work."
are so helpful, and charming.
not all of us cheered and your bs doesn't help any.
me-oww!
I doubt you read a lot of cheering for Nancy in that time.
including this one
shall i go into the archives to show her post election kudos?
i shant....but they are there
about Nancy, and we said uh-uh!
When the minimum wage was raised a few years ago Pelosi made sure that American Samoa was exempt from the raise because her hushand owns a tuna prosessing plant on American Samoa so they can still make huge profits while their employees are still working under the OLD wage scale! Aren't Pelosi and her fuck-wad hubby nice folks for fucking their own employees?I don't care what anyone thinks one way or the other but from now on this very pissed off democrat won't be voting for ANY democrats ever again unless there is a miracle and all democrats come up with a bunch of intestinal fortitude.... Nay it ain't gonna happen so fuck a bunch of spineless democrats!
And she is a two faced liar. First Impeachment is off the table.
Now, there is no public option in the health care reform bill.
She should just join the Rethuglican Party, as she is a traitor to the Dems.
corporate clown think she's fooling with her "I was for Single Payer" bullshit?
and you are right they pulled the rug from under the public option. They made deals with Big Pharma and the Insurance Powers at the beginning and cut everyone's throat. Now more theatrics to herald the signing of the Great BS Reform Bill as a big move forward and the Obama apologists will be out in full force saying it's a good bill.
wtf? she pushes for the public option.
the senate is now right at the 1 foot line
and the bitch aborts the ball like
a bent over drunk stripper shooting the ball
out of her a$$.
this is really fucked up!!!!
have the votes but Reed doesn't. EOF
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Then when the republicans eventually get back into power, watch them pass a lot if not all of the laws they want with a fraction of the votes.
because so many are disappointed they didn't get everything they want in the first round and have therefore abandoned the fight.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
and that SOMETHING is a bill that means something. And with a mandate in there, it only means SOMETHING if there is a public option so that We The People have a choice.
Otherwise it is nothing more than another bought and sold congressional whore's give away to the insurance companies, who will feel free to RAPE us even more than they do now. Courtesy of the Dems.
Don't believe everything you read.
You don't think Pelosi saying this is going to put a lot of pressure on the weak links in the Senate? Instead of going all whiny on Pelosi, who's actually doing a fine job, call your Senator and ask him WTF he's not willing to vote for a public option.
When ya comin back for another little chat?
Yeah, I know.......
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I'd really like to know.
My god! Remember folks, this was a compromised solution in the place of single payer, and they could not deliver even this! Why should I believe that congress will do right by the people after this?
Just remember this, if HCR turns out to be a dog, people will blame the democratic party, and they will lose seats. Maybe not this election cycle, but as people feel scewed over this, it will come.
backbone, they sure have a backbone when it comes to working against the interests of their base. The Obama team has been laying heavy pressure on Pelosi and the handful of holdout 'progressives' to forget about the public option, or lose the support of the White House. Obama has been working arduously behind the scenes during the entire healthcare debate to kill every last shred of progressiveness in the bill, in order to keep his promises the lobbyists that they will be able to continue to rake in the profits. Obama is a corporatist and only gets motivated to be 'presidential' when it comes to securing the interests of his true constituency, the corporations and the plutocrats. He arranges always to work under a 'bipartisan' cover to make it appear that forces beyond his control stymied him in his 'reform' attempts.
about his base?
Right now, as things stand, i have no reason to vote for Obama again. And I won't, even if the alternative is a rotten Rethug, because with them, I KNOW WHAT I AM IN FOR.
Also on Dem re-election chances. Hope there will be some good Green candidates in the fall. At least Bushies knew better than to toss their base under the bus.
Pelosi: Impeachment is off the table.
Nancy Pussey Galore Pelosi was involved in some Bush administration doings that have now rendered her useless. I bet she doesn't plan on visiting Dubai anytime soon and I still don't know what that trip to Syria was all about.
...after 3+ decades of solid support. Actually, they left me. I just can't see any light between the Dems and the GOP any more.
Refusing the public option was the clincher. When 70% of the public supports a concept that you campaigned on, and you got full power of the congress the senate and the white house, yet you still refuse, you reveal your corruption.
Never again. No Dems of any stripe. Electing one, empowers the rest of the party. Clean break. I like Kucinich, but if he wants my support, he'll have to leave the hollow shell that was once the party of the poor and middle class.
It no longer stands for anything except its own power. The healthcare bill was the last straw.
after 20+ years of supporting Democrats, I emailed Pelosi, Obama, and the DNC that I'm changing to independent and no more money or support of any kind. screw them all. I also sent emails to several senators and reps that I had previously sent money to. never again.
Color me already gone.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The ONLY reason it says DEM on my voter reg card is so that I can vote for Kucinich in CA pimaries.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
I thought the House leadership had to be able to count to 218.
This smells of a double-cross to me. As long as Nancy Pelosi didn’t have to pass a bill with a public option, that might actually become law, it was OK for the House to pass a bill with one in it. Now that a bill might actually get through the Senate with a public option, and put her on the spot, suddenly she’s not willing to have one in her bill because it might become law.
They always say when Reps become Senators they are in for a shock, because the bodies are different, but Nancy Pelosi doesn't even seem to grasp the simple concept that a bill that needed 60 votes to pass might be different from a bill only needing 51.
Until you respect the citizenship of those with which you disagree, you're not a true American.
I hear you. It smells like a setup, a way to say: Look, we fought for the public option, but the nasty, mean Senate wouldn't let us win. Wahhhh!
I heard that crap before, I didn't buy it then, I don't buy it now.
Nothing much else to add.
I'm sorry, but Congress is at times a kabuki act, and it is not beyond the realm of possiblity that political cover might be needed if the people are being denied on a popular issue.
Look, I'm not sure what is going on, but it just stinks to me IMHO.
Bribery works. I saw it. I'm sure most of you saw it in action. The system's broken, folks. These democrats are gambling that their incumbency will protect them in the next election because the only other choice is black-hearted, republican sociopaths. Maybe by then we'll have another way out with Greens or Thirds, but the insurance and banking cartels still reign. The champagne corks are popping at Aetna and Wellpoint. Sad. Oh yeah--Citizen's United.
He understands the politics of getting things done.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
he's here now
me-oww!
There's a difference between failing to deliver on a promise and OUTRIGHT LYING.
You're guilty of the latter. Consequently, I predict there's somewhere else you won't have the votes to pass something, and that's the next time you come up for re-election.
We kind of like people who keep their promises and get things done.
...but a mandate remains?
In addition, is it still worth supporting the bill?
which means that the supposed leftist dems are supporting a billion dollar giveaway to the corporate insurance companies
this is worse then medicare part d
my friend.
The votes are there according to an Ed guest 2night.
Stay tuned.
And said the same thing. Plus said it to Pelosi apologist Anthony Weiner.
But when Rachel asked the same questions I had, I knew I was on the right track. Unfortunately.
Until you respect the citizenship of those with which you disagree, you're not a true American.
WhipCongressDotCom says: "51 senators are likely to vote for a public option in reconciliation if it passes the House first."
Here's their count, senator by senator: Public Option Through Reconciliation
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
"Sen. Russ Feingold's office told TPM he'd only support a public option that lowers the deficit by $25 billion."
Here's a whacky idea, end the stupid wars.
You'd have that 25 billion covered in two to three months.
Oh, and please remind me... how hard did you all look for that 12 billion Bushco. 'lost' in Iraq?
What's that?
You forgot all about it?
You don't say.
Can't believe I used to think Russ was one of the good guys.
Russ is moving the goalposts to cover his lilly white ass. In the future he will say he supported the public option... and conveniently leave out the 25 billion dollar ransom he put on that "support".
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
On the congress and senate. Hell they are either dead or fucking stupid!
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness! It has killed the economy and ruined the lives of millions of people.
God damn the GOP! I hope all the scum get sick and die!
This god damned fucking bitch wouldn't even consider instigating war crime hearings and trials for the Bush regime, now the god damned bitch once again proves that she's working for the Republinazi corporate interests.
on what the majority wants. Not that the public option is any good, but she isn't dumping it because it sucks from its beginning to its end.
Shorter, more familiar Nancy Pelosi:
me-oww!
Despite the lack of a public option, some little-recognized provisions in the Senate bill do actually serve the purpose of offering lower-cost insurance.
Nope, face it folks - you been had.
The people of SF should simply not vote her in.
I expect the left to sit on their hands, the right wing to get all pumped up, and November will be a disaster for the Dems.
You people are screwed.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
And I'd be voting for the nearest independent.
The female Newt.
As Chris Hayes says at the end of tonight's Rachel Maddow Show, regardless what passes this time around, start immediately pushing for Grayson's Medicare-For-All Bill.
.. and weed out more of the DINOsaurs in the Senate next election ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
That would be round two.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
that is the most sensible course of action.
.
CSPAN video of Grayson introducing the Public Option Act:
Rep. Alan Grayson: Vote Now on the Public Option
Grayson article in HuffPost Mar 12:
HR 4789 and The Public Option: The Way Forward
Grayson's Website:
GRAYSON INTRODUCES PUBLIC OPTION ACT
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Ya, what about moving the pieces on the puzzle [passing something] with or without the public option for now, and take it from there. It's like saving your work, or backing up your files. From there a public option can be formulated from what is learned. The whole proposition is pretty safe as is if the revenue predictions are right. I haven't heard anyone but insurance people say the new plan won't save a lot of money.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I can vote republican and get ignored also so whats the difference?
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
"Gosh, I had no idea this job would be so hard!"
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Just like in team sports, losers will always figure out a way to lose. As ignorant and dangerous as Bush was to this Nation, he never fucked away the fact that he was given the responsibility to lead.
Obama, Reid, Pelosi...toothless rats all.
Bush was lead around by the nose, by Cheney, Rove, just about anyone with an IQ above freezing (F).
.
I had my first inkling last summer when I was having a cocktail with my health insurance agent. While I was proudly stating we had a real chance for single-payer or a public option, he just smiled at me and confidently stated "It's not gonna happen."
While we worry and fret over what Congress is doing, the executive branch cut the deals a long time ago. First it was the Senate's turn to be the bad guys, now it's the House's turn. Reid and Pelosi are just doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Not for the American people though. Somehow, some way, our health and our financial well-being don't really matter to any of the three branches any more. We're just faceless consumers who's only purpose is to vote every few years and eat the droppings that the wealthy leave for us.
On Washington Week in Review they mentioned there's a tradition of distrust between the House and Senate, even when controlled by the same party.
I dunno what Bill Moyer's said, his show was preempted for some crap because it's pledge drive yet again.
Are we being betrayed by PBS too?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Sen. Reid's Wife Has Surgery After Traffic Crash
My first thought when I heard the news ..
"Oh they wouldn't .."
"Oh .. they would .."
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
...and his relatives here in the states, and his relatives in Kenya, or, heck, random people around the world.
More Obama apologia, in a more subtle form.
But they didn't pre-empt Moyers.
NYU President John Sexton on theology, the role of universities throughout the world, politics and the disintigration of civil discourse in modern society.
In case you want to catch it online
Until you respect the citizenship of those with which you disagree, you're not a true American.
"We are not being well served by our elected reps...Pelosi came here & lied to our faces,then repeted it twice more,& each time,her promise was gushed over and given credence.
"She's a liar. Isn't it what we decry the villagers for? For not calling out the hypocrisy?...I'm sad that it's our side of the fence,but let's stop falling for the okie-doke and realize this carney game is fixed""........................... thought provokeing..good....Pissed-off,We got it..........(first sentence below is unfair.)..man,you attack this site,I found a home here 5 wk.ago.This site if fuckin bitchin.Smart,easy to read, GREAT "staff",smart people talking,.....I don't know you,read your words when I noticed your name,sometimes,but,.....I tell every friend about Crooks&Liars,and I love the counter at bottom I'm 364 Million,038,911!!!!!!I love that,think it's gone up 3-5 mil. since I knew there was a counter......Thanks,john,blu,drift et al. love your stuff. I think this about somes it up,now.....original,below
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
John & the staff here at C&L stop playing "Oooooh, Shiny!" every time Pelosi, Reid, and Obama trot out the promises.
We are not being well-served by our elected representatives. Pelosi came here and lied to our faces, then repeated it twice more, and each time, her promise was gushed over and given credence.
She's a liar. Isn't this what we decry the villagers for? For not calling out the hypocrisy? I'm sad that it's on our side of the fence, but let's stop falling for the okie-doke and realize this carny game is fixed.
our political leaders, and John and the Staff here seldom do so. Jeez, read the name of the Blog: it's "Crooks & Liars", not "Shiny Objects". Pay attention, stop carping. Carping is not the same as Snarking, BTW.
To our faces. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining,.
Yet, every time Reid and Pelosi said 'robust public option,' we got another 'this time, it'll happen!' post as if we were dealing with an honest broker.
And I wasn't the only one to say, "Yeah, right, I'll believe it when I see it."
Creepy.
Where exactly does that smile come from? Or should I saw where was it manufactured and where did she buy it? Creepy. Creepy. Creepy. Yuck.
I am sooooooooooo sick of almost everyone in DC.
Nancy seems like the typical Democrat. She supports something when it has no chance of winning and then backs off and won't fight for it when it gets close. She's got her safe little seat; that's what really matters.
It would be great if House and Senate leadership positions were not such settled slots. I think the Democratic Party would benefit a lot from more turnover in the leadership. Pelosi has been Speaker for almost four years now. Has she done anything that ought to make any of us wildly enthusiastic about her continuing in that office? I don't think so. So, why not a secret vote asking members to give her a vote of confidence/no confidence. If no confidence wins, she steps aside and two or more new candidates run for the position. I can't say how well that would work, but I'd favor almost anything that shook things up. The Congress is little more than a stagnant pool of sloth, mediocrity, dishonesty, and downright incompetence.
Wow...
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
I see that she is showing us that a woman as a leading head of state can be just as detrimental as a male republican.
Thanks NANCY.
I almost lost my complete sense of cynicism
I'd take castration over voting for the worst than nothing RepublicKlans, but I certainly won't go to the polls for these gutless fucking Democrats.
Ignorance, fear and the Insurance companies won this HCR battle.
Ditto Left .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
Toothless and up for sale . Obama and the Dems want Health care reform alright but not at the expense of the Health care and Pharma Industries or of the fat cats on Wall Street. They've been playing us and lying their asses off . We have two choices in this country , the Dems or the Repugs , one party 75% corrupt the other 100 % corrupt .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
will slip thru an amendment to an uninteresting bill, which allows Americans to buy healthcare from Canada or Mexico or -yikes!- Europe. Heh. Wonder if any conservatives would buy socialist insurance, even to save their lives? Oh, whomeye kidding? They'd be first in line.
Progressives are relentless. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpw8NgL_2M
NO REAL PUBLIC OPTION = NO MONEY FROM ME + NO VOLUNTEERING BY ME + NO VOTE FROM ME. I'll vote 3rd party or simply stay home...
I'm through trying to get Obots to see reason. If you support Obama, YOU are just as much the problem as the Rethuglicans, welcome to my ignore list.
You a health insurance or pharmaceutical company? If not, neither you, nor your effort, matter. No matter how much you think canvassing, phone banking, and hosting party meetings at your own expense, put you in the process, no matter what you spend in friendship capital fighting with otherwise rational people at work and in the your extended family at election time, it doesn't matter. You don't matter.
Hard lessons for us progressives this year.
“The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.” - Harlan Ellison
For three major examples, look at healthcare and financial reform, along with the military budget. The healthcare reform bill devolved into what amounts to an insurance industry bailout and was drastically altered by Roundtable lobbyists representing interests like WellPoint, Aetna, Cigna, Pfizer, Eli Lilly and Johnson & Johnson. Obama and Congress are trying to please the Roundtable with a bill that supports their interests. This led to the dropping of the public-option put forth in the House bill. However, when it came to finishing the bill, Roundtable members began to walk away from the process. That’s the real reason why the reform bill has stalled. Obama met with the Roundtable on February 24th, in hopes of getting healthcare reform back on track. After that meeting, he held a bipartisan healthcare meeting with members of Congress.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/145996/the_bu...
She's a traitor. She needs to be dragged off for trial along with the Bush war criminals.
Glenn Greenwald pretty much nails it here, in my opinion.
At the risk of oversimplifying his article, I think it can be summarized as follows:
Okay, that last line was my embellishment, but you get the idea. Whatever the needed threshold of the moment, the Democrats always make sure they only have threshold minus one.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
We have been used and abused and lied to by Obama and the democrats who obviously felt it was more important to save their own a$$es and bow to their masters in the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries.
Whatcha gonna do? Give up on voting and watch my country crumble.
I'm afraid you are right in your assessment of the shit-uation.
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
a'crumblin.
what Joseph Stack did. But I am totally understanding his anger with our worthless government. The guy created his own problems with the IRS but in his manifesto he was right on about our health care system. Funny nobody in the MSM focused on his rant on health care but focused on everything else.
Anyway, I see bad things happening in our country as more and more Americans lose their jobs, their homes, their loved ones lives due to unaffordable health care, when they finally realize who really controls our government, I don't know how this will be avoided but I see an outright revolt coming from many of our citizens from both sides of the political spectrum rising up and saying "No More!"
I never saw so much whining and complaining. Pelosi is saying the Senate is full of weak sisters. So instead of turning on her, contact your senator and tell him/her you want a public option.
Geez. Shoot the messenger and lose the battle. Cry-babies.
I'm such a crybaby.
Then no gad damn mandate ether period.
Can we have a DEMOCRAT, as in real Democrat, as Speaker now?
Yeah , that's the ultimate kick in the walnuts , a mandate , you have to purchase insurance from the private health insurance companies that have been doing and will continue to do a number on us . Merry Christmas Health Insurance Industry and Wall Street Fat Cats !
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
they should be against it.
Bill Maher
How right!
What a bunch of whiny corporate shills. Pelosi: "I am so sad but they made me do it." Obama: "It's getting hot in here. Better take off my coat." Reid: "..." There were many ways to get the public option done. They chose not to do any of them. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al, never once campaigned for a public option from a working class home, a single mother family apartment, a diner, a small biz workshop/office, or one of free med care MASH-like clinics held frequently, etc. They did absolutely nothing to instill a national spirit for a public option. They did use it as a talking point to get elected, and proceeded to railroad the option to get Pharma, service providers and health insurance company campaign money. Screw them all.
I will vote Green in every category where the democrat is a bluedog republican-lite.
And though Nancy has disappointed me, this whole fiasco falls on the Obama administration. This guy IS a corporatist republican, who simply plays a democrat on television. His hiring of Rahm and Larry told me what kind of a sellout president he would be, months before he took office.
I am still hoping he proves me wrong, because this guy really is a freaking nightmare. THE manchurian president.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
to have her replaced. Immediately.
Nancy! Why didn't you do your homework?
"I did my homework but those mean boys next door stole it. Honest. I was just standing here not wanting to play hard and they pushed me and then they stole my homework and then they tore it up and threw it away. So you see, it wasn't my fault."
Nancy, you're a liar and a hypocrite!
Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.
Thomas Jefferson
...who REALLY killed the public option before Speaker Pelosi's unfortunate speech:
- Senator Max Baucus of Montana, who headed the only committee whose bill didn't include the public option
- Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota
- Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut
- Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska
- Senator Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas
- Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana
- Republican Senator (Insert Name Here, Because They ALL Voted Against It)
The Democrats are purposely rotating the enemy de jour. It's a shell game. It's three card monte.
President Obama does not now, nor has he ever, wanted the public option. It's been so from the word "go" in the health care
-debate-debacle.There will always be momentum, after which some Democrat will draw the shortest straw, and be forced to be the bad guy. Today it was Pelosi.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Why are Democrats going to the wall for this legislation?
The right hates it altogether
The left considers it a sellout because the public option is gone
The middle (along with just about all of the right and, I suspect, some of the left too) believes it will cost far more than what is being promised, and that both the quality and availability of health care will drop.
If they succeed in stuffing this unwanted legislation down our throats Democrats will take a major drubbing in November, maybe losing one or both houses. Who is going to save them? Obama? The way he saved Deeds in VA, Corzine in NJ and Coakley in MA?
I would love to know what the real motivation is. My best guess is george soros and moveon.org telling Democrats that if this isn't pushed to the nth degree, those tens of millions and those massive organizing efforts during the election season won't be there.
I hope I'm wrong. Because if I'm not, it means that, in a very real sense, soros and moveon.org own the Democratic Party.
Though it seems to have been removed, George Soros was mentioned in this clip as well.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
yawnnnnnn.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
. Uh huh.
People die and ya wonder why
Is it human error and or a man in the sky
Is it a principled stance and or corporate greed
a political party and or a political creed
political success in all its glory
depends on the politician and or their political story
When something is about to break and it's not fixed
It's just a matter of time... before it's nixed.
What's the anomaly that the two parties often share
And the founding fathers' had discouraged it there?
This too shall pass...
Study the symptoms not the virus...
blabberfest addressed. I love it. He wants to go down to Costa Rica where if we get National Health Care. Why there? He can get the best health care for nearly nothing. Just like a good Republican. Make the people pay for your needs. Now he's using another country's people. King Rush you are so precious.
Jeanne
No public option. I'm just sooooo shocked.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
In 2008, she got something like 70% of the vote, and her district is *liberal* San Francisco. Cindy Sheehan's campaign went nowhere.
Obviously the mental illness that affects Democratic politicians affects Democratic voters as well. Over and over, we hear Democratic politicians say they are for this idea or that, but then when required to actually step up and support an actual bill, they back down. Democratic voters are exactly the same way. Over and over, they get all angry at their party, swearing they will never support the Democrats again. Six months later, they are in the voting booth giving Nancy Pelosi 70% of the vote.
My question then is: what is within the psychology of liberals that makes them say things they know aren't true?
We've voted democrat because we've all known the republican party's end result would be someone like Bush - and heaven forbid someone worse. In case you haven't noticed the republican party offers up more and more incompetent candidates every election cycle. You'd be fairly hard pressed to locate a single republican who can utter a complete sentence without making grammatical errors.
Why do people vote for Pelosi, could it be that no one runs against her? I think she'll find it a difficult task getting re-elected this time.
And your last sentence. Democrats say things they know aren't true isn't very flattering to the republican party by illustration you've pointed out the republicans don't even know what's true and what isn't.
To hell with the republican party, it is their sheer incompetence that has lead us to this point. Hopefully there will be a viable third party candidate to vote for next time because this 9 time democratic voter doesn't plan on doing it again.
Republicans lie about other people, Democrats lie to themselves. This is precisely what I was getting at in the last (garbled) sentence in my first post; i.e., what is it about Democrats that make them continually lie to themselves about their own beliefs? It's obvious that very few Democratic voters or politicians are as progressive as they believe they are. It's almost like these people have two different brains in their heads - one for their thoughts and one for their actions. As long as politics remains rhetorical, most Democrats are completely liberal and progressive, like good Dr. Jekyll. Once the politics becomes real, though, suddenly they turn into Mr. Hyde. Since many Democrats are intelligent and thoughtful people, how is it they never recognize this bipolar behavior?
Thanks for the reply. It is a sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in, isn't it?
They have no stake in the issue, so why should they care? What would it take to force every last one of these sociopaths to buy their own health insurance on the open market, instead of their current sweetheart, serf-subsidized plans?
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Nancy Pelosi = C O W A R D !
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
This is the problem. As long the politians making decisions for the common man have what the common man cannot get, free health insurance, no US citizen will get what he needs.
Pay you own f**cking health insurance premiums or leave us alone!
In our great America our politicians should be entitled to cheap health care.
After all it is only fair.
The Democrats do not have any Balls or Spines.
The Republicans do not have any Hearts or Brains.
Makes sense don't it?
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