Far Right "Veterans Group" Gives All Democrats F's On Veterans Issues
By Logan Murphy Saturday Oct 11, 2008 1:45pmFrom Brandon Friedman at Vet Voice:
When the non-partisan Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) released their newest Congressional Report Card, they gave John McCain a "D." It's because--as we've shown--he votes against veterans. Amusingly enough, it seems the pro-Bush/McCain group, Vets for Freedom, got their feelings hurt over this. And they felt they had to do something.
That's why, today, Vets for Freedom issued a skewed response to IAVA's Report Card in the form of a "Senate Analysis." In their "analysis," they graded each U.S. senator in a similar fashion, awarding grades of "A" through "F." Amazingly enough, VFF gave every single Democratic senator a grade of "F." Go figure. I'm sure their Republican membership will be pleased. But given the situation in which they found themselves (with IAVA and VoteVets on cable TV slamming both McCain's grade and his lack of support for veterans), I guess it's to be expected. I don't hold that against them. Read on...
Of course, this is a transparent, politically motivated joke. This neocon-backed group gave failing grades to the likes of Chuck Hagel and Jim Webb, both decorated war veterans and co-sponsors of the recent Webb-Hagel-Lautenberg-Warner GI Bill (the one McCain opposed)-- but it shouldn't come as a surprise. McCain backers Joe Lieberman and Lindsay Graham were on the board of "Vets For Freedom," but were forced to resign their positions because it violated federal election law.
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Vets for Freedom is a front group.
But one must consider:
Who is "Vets for freedom"? Are "They" a single person living in their parents basement? or Mr. Cheney's basement?
Just saying...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vets_for_Freedom...
I came back not badly damaged.
FWIW, I loathe all politicians.
They all either exploit their military service or do things that screw soldiers or vets.
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baby-killers to pal around with, you bet.
Nothing like a couple of hours reminiscing about fire fights, incoming, butchered water buffalo and dead gooks...and your first look inside a body bag!@!@!@
We graded EVERYBODY as "pussies."
Ah, good times...
(/snark)
When, where, and with what unit?
they gave hagel an f????
and he is a republican
jeezus
i have my differences with hagel's positions, but the dude is one of the few republicans i truly respect
If you look at their "analysis", practically all they use to grade the senators on is the defense appropriation bills, timelines for withdrawal (or "retreat"), and granting habeas rights to Guantanamo prisoners. As far as I can tell, things like the GI Bill or VA issues weren't even counted.
Are Liberman or Graham vets?
I know Graham is a reservist JAG lawyer, as I recall.
That doesn't mean he's a vet. AWOL Bush was a on again ,off again reserve.
this is hilarious. if you actually read the report card, every senator either (except for two) gets either an A+ or an F. in other words, according to this "analysis" you either love the troops or you are a troop-killing, freedom-hating evil-doer. hahah.
and Commie sympathizers.
Far Right "Veterans Group"
Now there's an oxymoron.
For some reason, I find this quite hilarious. It just seems deeply immature in so many ways. You'd swear they have a bunch of vindictive second graders calling the shots for them.
"You'd swear they have a bunch of vindictive second graders calling the shots for them."
The GOP or the phony vets group?
Well, Veterans, if you did not bite the hand that feeds you you might get better care. I am a firm believer in taking care of veterans but when I hear you supporting the people who inflicted the damage I think why pay twice. Let the bastards that used you pay for your wounds and strees syndrom while you are still singing their praises.
Any country that values its military will use it wisely, and when they are put in harms way, take care of their families and get the soldiers the best rehabilitation money can buy. You are not getting that. Revolt against the regime that commited you to Iraq and is abandoning you now. John McCain is so proud of the surge having worked, the surge had 38.000 names, ask him what he is doing for them and their families.
What grade did they give McCain after he twice opposed the bill to provide body armor to our troops in 2003? An "A" for Asshole?
As a Vietnam veteran, while I find it quite laudable that the IAVA and VoteVets are fighting for the rights of veterans, it should be acknowledged that they are focusing on the symptom and not the cause of what is afflicting those who have been placed unnecessarily in a war zone. This is because both of these organizations, unlike the IVAW [Iraq Veterans Against the War], are not in favor of the immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces from those quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. Until they come to realize this obvious truth, more veterans will be filling up VA hospital beds across this country for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever.
Senator Obama:
If elected-Bring them home-ALL of them-now.
Good luck, bro.
George McGovern, who was a decorated B-24 pilot opposed the Vietnam War because he knew what war meant...the pain and suffering of the troops who fought it. And they right savaged him when he ran for president.
This country had a chance then to end the Vietnam war earlier than it did. causing more military losses that could have been prevented.
And when Kerry ran in 2004 they mocked his with fake purple band-aids.
Chickenhawk assholes like Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, O'Rielly, Kristol who never saw the pain and suffering of American troops pushed us into this illegal war in Iraq and War-hero McCain did NOTHING to stop them.
As a Vietnam vet, I say f*ck McCain. I stopped giving a shit about his "sacrifice" whenever I recall better men than him bleeding and dying for their country in the Europe and the Pacific, in Korea, in Vietnam,in Desert Storm and in Iraq and Afghanistan.
VETVOICE: McCain's Miserable Record of Not Supporting America's Troops and Veterans.
ETA: Ooops! It was already in the original post. Oh, well. Here, have a cartoon instead:
McCain and Palin in The "W" Bubble
So this is what grading on a curve looks like! How idealogical for them to cherry-pick the republican maverick as SO PRO VETERANS!! I guess they think we are just as uninformed and unable to research their talking points as those nut jobs at the county fairs they call campaign stub speeches.
The usual silly shit, but it's pretty tiresome. The 'thugs know they're losing, so they resort to these childish games. What's next, peeing on walls to show how big the dicks are at Vets for Freedom?
F*CK YOU ya bunch a hillbillies!
I don't think that statement is entirely accurate. While McCain's record on Veteran's issues is spotty at best, I thought I saw a clip in which the representative of the one group said that McCain's biggest problem had been not voting, i.e., being absent for the votes.
It's obvious that McCain has plans to create a lot more veterans, because, my friends, with all the tough wars he's going to have America fighting, we're going to need a much bigger military.
Myself and a few other Viet Nam vets I know, have scratched our heads for some time when it comes to vets supporting the Repugs. My thoughts; at any given time the ratio to combat arms..inf, arty, armor, to non-combat arms...supply, logistics, eng, and whatever else falls into this category are about 1/3 combat arms, and 2/3 non-combat arms. The American Legion and VFW and whatever other groups out there that represent vets, must be loaded up with the non-combat folks. There are many Viet Nam veterans that served time and never left Bien Hoa. My brother-in-law worked at the post office in Phu Loi and never so much as fired his rifle the entire time. Guess what, he's a huge Repug. I have another brother in law that was in the Air Force and worked in intel in Saigon, same thing, huge Repug. As Oliver Stone so aptly point out last night on the Bill Maher show, if you were on the ground and had a chance to see and smell the stench and carnage from the bombs dropped, the arty fired, the tanks blowing up everything in sight, you might have a different opinion. I know I have.
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DekeD26 says that "if you were on the ground... you might have a different opinion." Your wise observation echoes that of David Cline, who was featured in the searing documentary Sir! No Sir! [which chronicled the GI movement that took place during the Vietnam War] and was seriously wounded in Vietnam [and who eventually died from the effects that he suffered from Agent Orange], and noted in the film that:
"You find out that it's all lies, they are just lying to the American people. And your silence just means that you are a part of keeping that lie going. I couldn't stop; I couldn't be silent. I felt I had a responsibility to my friends, and to the country, in general. And to advocate for the Vietnamese people [who were fighting for their country]."
Unfortunately it appears that there is a short supply of people like Dave Cline in today's military because if there were, then more veterans would be speaking out and more of them would be deserting from their ranks in order to advocate for the Iraqi and Afghan people. Those in the military today should realize that being in the armed forces does not mean that one should forgo the art of critical thinking.
right, these are the types of vets who never saw combat .. yet these are the same vets that strut around with their fucking ribbons on and join fucking groups like that .. pretending to be big fucking heroes .. they are fucking nothing but pussies .... fucking pussies ... being a 'nam vet myself who spent 14 months with the marines during the tet offensive .. con tien anyone .. cua vet river anyone ..dong-ha anyone .. and fought, smelled, and saw this fucking war up close and personal i can tell ya you don't come home from that and do what these fucking pussies do ... these are the kinds of pussies that would have been fragged by their own guys .. that's what happened to pussies like this .. go fuck yourself assholes but enjoy some 'tuk-fin' before you do ...
Now c'mon, the Goopers needed a Vets front group so the media can blindly wave their fake report card about showing the military and the vets belong heart and soul to the noble hero and NOT to THAT ONE or his party.
McCain Rally Pastor: Obama Win Insults God
At a McCain event, as the crowd waited for McCain himself to arrive, Pastor Arnold Conrad of the Grace Evangelical Free Church of Davenport, Iowa, gave an invocation that included the following: "I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/...
Until McCain can display the leadership needed from him to stop people like that pastor from making such theologically divisive remarks at his campaign events, he should not display hypocrisy when Politicians like Rep. Lewis accuse him of using divisive tactics. Lewis is NOT even associated with the Obama campaign and is NOT stumping for Obama like ALL those stoking divisive rhetoric at McCain's events including His own veep ...
That limp-wristed reincarnation of Josef Goebbels - "He LIED! He LIED!" -- doesn't have the cajones to defend anything other than the destructive and reptillian GOP policies. However, in his defense, perhaps this committee work for veterans kept him off any committee work that had to do with young males.
If they gave every Democrat an F, even those who supported some legislation supporting veterans, then they just destroyed their credibility anyway. What credible news source would ever cite their report card again?
Of course, it's sufficient to have an official-sounding name, and then McCain and Rush and BillO and Foxy News can tell all the mouth-breathers how bad the Democrats are, by casually citing them as a source.
on Chris Matthews Hardball and all I can say about him is that he is an asshat who would fit in well with Bill Orally on FAUX. For some reason he uses no logic and denies reality to defend the abomination we have been involved in over in Iraq for the past five plus years. I honor their service but they need to get their heads out of their asses. I am a Vietnam veteran and I have just as much right to speak the truth as they have to tell lies and live in denial.
That OK, because the veterns on the left and their are many of them, are simply pouring big dollars on the Obama camp.
They are vowing to save the other right wings suckers, from themselves, by giving their stupid asses life.
You have to remember that the military is a smaller reflection of our society, wingnuts like to think that the military is made up of like-minded indeviduals. They wont like finding out that their numbers are small just like in America as a whole.
Go figure
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