Give Me Liberty or Give Me… Sex?
By nonny mouse Saturday Oct 11, 2008 6:20pmAs a writer with openly progressive opinions living overseas, I would be surprised if my emails and telephone calls to Our Kid – a poli-sci professor who studied in Madrid and wrote her PhD on Spanish terrorism – have not been monitored by the US government. It’s been a long-standing joke between us to wave hello to the lonely NSA guy in the basement listening in on our conversations. But a new ABC report confirms what has long been suspected – it’s no joke. NSA officials have intentionally intercepted, listened to and passed around the phone calls of hundreds of innocent U.S. citizens working overseas, including journalists and international aid workers including the International Red Cross and Doctors Without Borders, even when it was definite the calls were not related to anything to do with national security, while the government misled the American public about the scope of its surveillance activities. But rather than listening for possible connections to suspected terrorists, it seems what really interests those NSA guys with headphones down in the basement is… sex.
According to Adrienne Kinne and David Murfee Faulk, two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia, for years intercept operators listened in on hundreds of phone calls from American soldiers in Baghdad’s Green Zone as they talked to their spouses, girlfriends, and family about ‘personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism.’ Intercept operators assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon would routinely share salacious phone calls that had been recorded, and gossip about it during breaks. ‘ “Hey, check this out, there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out.” It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, “Wow, this was crazy”.’
‘The American public is led to believe that the NSA is eavesdropping on calls where one party is a member of al Qaeda, but in reality the NSA is monitoring and collecting the personal communications of innocent Americans,’ said James Bamford, who first interviewed the former intercept officers for his book, ‘The Shadow Factory,’ due out next week. ‘What's worse, once a telephone number or e-mail address gets picked up, it stays in the system. Every communication from the number or address is picked up, monitored and stored permanently.’
Then-NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden, now director of the CIA, testified before Congress, denied that private conversations of Americans are being intercepted. He was asked by Senator Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), ‘Are you just doing this because you just want to pry into people's lives?’ He answered, ‘No, sir.’ However, a US intelligence official said ‘all employees of the US government’ should expect that their telephone conversations could be monitored as part of an effort to safeguard security and ‘information assurance.’
‘They certainly didn't consent to having interceptions of their telephone sex conversations being passed around like some type of fraternity game,’ said Jonathon Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University who has testified before Congress on the country's warrantless surveillance program.
The two intercept operators have independently come forward to blow the whistle, feeling what they were doing was illegal, improper, immoral, and shouldn't be done. Both intercept operators said their military commanders rejected questions about listening in to these private conversations. ‘It was just always, that , you know, your job is not to question. Your job is to collect and pass on the information.’ Kinne also resented the waste of time spent listening to innocent Americans instead of looking for the terrorist needle in the haystack, underscoring the failure of the program.
‘By casting the net so wide and continuing to collect on Americans and aid organizations, it's almost like they're making the haystack bigger and it's harder to find that piece of information that might actually be useful to somebody,’ she said.‘You're actually hurting our ability to effectively protect our national security.’
The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia), called the allegations ‘extremely disturbing’ and said the committee has begun its own examination. ‘Today's report is an indictment not only of the Bush administration, but of all of those political leaders, Democratic and Republican, who have been saying that the executive branch can be trusted with surveillance powers that are essentially unchecked,’ said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada) pledged to revisit the FAA again in 2009 when provisions of the controversial USA Patriot Act are due to expire. It would seem unlikely, however, that apologies from Senators Pat Roberts (R-Kansas), Jeff Sessions (R- Alabama) or John Cornyn (R-Texas) would be forthcoming, resorting to the habitual ‘Give Me Death’ justification for the Bush domestic spying program.
‘Over 3,000 Americans have no civil rights because they are no longer with us,’ Sessions said. This was echoed by Roberts on his opposition to investigation into the misuses of pre-Iraqi war intelligence. ‘You really don't have any civil liberties if you're dead.’ Cornyn likewise defended the NSA’s domestic surveillance program with the statement, ‘None of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead.’
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) responded with Patrick Henry's clarion call, ‘Give me liberty or give me death.’ But for some Republicans, it seems it’s more a case of Give me Liberty or give me… sex.








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Suppose it was a gay service member? Could that tape have been used as evidence to throw that service member out under Don't Ask Don't Tell?
I can't tell you how many people I've heard say "I don't have anything to hide so I don't care if they listen to my phone calls" - I guess being an American doesn't mean very much to some people. for myself, I take our rights very seriously, all of them, I don't just focus on the one that suits me like the right wingers do with the 2nd amendment.
And if their listening in on our soliders who are fighting for freedom in Iraq and Afganistan, then what would stop them from listening in on Congressmen or Sentaors? Wasn't that what finally got Nixon to resign?
The FISA vote was a vote to cover up a vast legion of felonies by George Bush et al.
As Jonathan Turley put it, the Congress was conspiring with the Executive to commit an enormous crime.
The main difference between the Republicans and Democrats, when it comes to Corporate control of the Government, is how fast their knees hit the floor when the Corporations knock at their door.
Now the Corporate Media jokes about the eavesdropping on phone sex.
May 13th Democracy Now! covered aspects of this.
The soldier, Sgt Kinne had come forward at the time, raising contemporaneous concerns over the bombing of the Palestenian Hotel (occupied by journalists) and also concern for other privacy rights of (humanitarian) NGO's. This soldier went through the chain of command at the time; got out of the army and works in VA setting, seeking to contribute something meaningful. This veteran was also part of the Winter Soldier project and Iraq Veterans Against the War.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/10/headli...
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/13/fmr_mil...
If this is actually true, I don't have any respect for these guys for not doing something about it other than write a book and make a lot of money. Doesn't anyone have a gd sense of duty or integrity anymore?
what can he do...arrest bush?
fucking pelossi took impeachment off the table...remember?
cant we just impeach the whole lot of them...then march on wall street with pitchforks, torches. tar and feathers???
i say we start this whole thing over
its time for a new revolution
Look, I live in Maryland, which is practically 60% government DOD employees. They are horrified by this. It is not standard practice. My suspicion is that there are pockets of it scattered throughout the services, maybe certain individual offices. People in the intelligence field are probably trained not to gossip about any of the specifics of their work, so how would their coworkers in other offices find out?
At any rate, if you think what your boss is telling you to do is illegal, you go to someone else--someone higher up, but not his direct boss, and you effing report it. And if that doesn't work, you go to somebody else; if that doesn't, you write an editorial for a paper or give an interview.
If you don't have the balls to do any of that (I know it would take some courage), you look for another job, and once you have it, then you do the editorial. But if your first effort at getting the information out there is designed to make you a wad of cash, it lessens your credibility a bit, don't you think?
Look, I'm not saying this didn't happen, or it's all a lie. But I didn't have any respect for Bush's cronies when they started deserting him 2 years into his second term so they could write best-selling books about his corrupt administration, and I don't have any respect for these bozos who joined in on the unconstitutional antics until they saw a way to make a buck off of it.
The point here is it shouldn't have happened in the first place. The wiretapping went against one of the basic tenets of the Constitution and in spite of warnings to that effect, we were assured that's not what it would be used for and look at what has happened. Its not that its just a few bad apples, those rotten apples infected the whole damn barrel! Its not that we may have discovered something evil, its that we've taken away something personal, indeed, it appears something very personal.
fuck pelosi- fuck pretty much all of Congress.
Boxer/Feingold 2012!
I think you're right Uncle Joe, except for the fact that Cheney/Bush are setting us up to do just that - and then they'll mow us down and/or march us off to FEMA Camps. Thye'll never be impeached, 'cause let's be honest, many of the Dems have been complicit in passing a lot of the laws that have curtailed our civil liberties. If they were really an "opposition party" they would've acted long ago.
This current financial crisis, which I think has gone a little farther that the neo-cons planned on, will just make it even harder for regular citizens to demand change. They've already changed our whole society in preparation for their little power grab - taking away our money is just one more step.
We have no jobs, soon, no money; they've installed an intrusive surveillance system that apparently works well; they've stripped our legal rights for habeous corpus and added laws that make it easy to declare all of us terrorists; over 50% of the food we need to sustain us in this nation is imported; they control the energy (gas, electric, etc.); they've created a whole new bureaucracy - filled with weird people - Homeland Security - which is quasi-military; they're adept at creating false-flag operations that scare the bejeebus out of half the population; they've signed agreements with Canadian military to access their troops to quell US civil disturbance; they've spent a lot of time and our money perfecting weapons that can be used for just such purposes; they've provided money to thousands of local police forces (under the guise of homeland sec.) to turn them into Darth Vader-like, armed to the teeth, SWAT wannabees; etc, etc.
There's lots more - but I hope you get the picture - though I think you already have it. I have no solutions, except that it might really be getting close to the time for stocking up on canned goods and keeping the powder dry....
Part of me finds this scary.
The other part of me finds this to be really funny.
There's a secret part of me that hopes I make some NSA official blush with the dirty things that come out of my mouth when I talk to my fiancee long distance...
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Regardless, the Bush Administration are a bunch of fascists.
This should certainly give us all a reason to take pause:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0
We're having a world financial meltdown, the robbing of the U.S. taxpayers by a bunch of Crooks and Criminals (and Liars) in Congress, on Wall Street and in the Bush Administration.
A "secret" meeting held in the House of Representatives (that Kucinich refused to attend) that was ostensibly about "F.I.S.A" and now this.
I just have one question at this point: How can any U.S. military personnel take any order that is fundamentally un-Constitutional when they have taken an oath to protect the Constitution and the laws of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, especially considering that those they are being ordered to suppress and potentially arrest are paying their fucking salaries?
Comments?
it would seem to me that Directive 51 mentioned in that video gives Bush the legal right to direct troops without the "constraints" of the Constitution.
Some where I read that any local police department or sheriff's office that takes Homeland Security grant money must comply and assist in the arrests and detainment of citizens. The only way we can stop this from happening is to get our local departments from accepting this grant money.
We have lost so much in the way of civil rights but I don't think we have seen an end to it.
BTW, Daniel Inoway (spelling) once again shielding thugs.
at all.
I say we all talk dirty in Arabic over the phone.
Who wouldn't trade the ability for due process for a good snuggling and BJ?
or just a few bricks shy of a load.
Both, Lulz
and amused by my personal conversations. I know I was!
The Bushicans do not trust the Army. I think what we are talking about here is a level of paranoia that crosses the border into madness. Obviously, the neocons think the Army is plotting against them; otherwise, they would not listen in on their private conversations. It's just too weird and it needs to stop. Enough is enough.
This is like having a bunch of jigsaw puzzle pieces and trying to construct a picture.
You make a great point "upchuck".
Bush is using the U.S. military as their private goons to try to institute policies against the American people that are blatantly un-Constitutional and they privately question the military's allegiance!
Who will these guys be more faithful to? The Neocons who hijacked the Constitution or the everyday Americans who are pissed about the hijacking and who have "taken it to the streets"?
Very interesting....
It's not a secret that there are many in high military positions who are happy to see Bush and his cronies leave The White House for a myriad of reasons.
Many things get my panties twisted in all this, but the thing that really grates on me is that all of us hard working taxpaying SUCKERS out here are paying for all this B.S.
I think the U.S. Armed Forces will be irrelevant if this happens. Let's not forget about Blackwater.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/835058/blackwat...
If only these guys were eavesdropping on the bankers on Wall Street maybe we wouldn't have been in a global financial meltdown.
But then again, you can't masturbate to conversations about derivatives and CDOs.
Speak for yourself! :D
Is it just me or are the Christian Conservatives in government and the military and all those who support them the biggest bunch of repressed homosexuals and sexual deviants in the world? it certainly re-enforces what I have always suspected about their sexual repression. Going way back to Abu Ghraib prison and points forward, the pictures and acts that the miltary commited upon these people were all of a homo erotic nature. These people are the most twisted, closeted borderline serial violators of decency and normalicy that may have existed since the Romans and the days of Caligula. Mark Foley was known in the Republican inner circles to be such a danger to under age male Pages at the Capital that they warned them as a matter of initiation to stay away from him for years! Larry Craig raised eyebrows from the very moment he entered office and we know how that turned out. There are so many instances that there is even a web site called 'Republican sex offenders.com' that is so disturbing because most of the stories are about pedophilia, not about the tried and true 'cheat on your spouse' variety of bad behavior. I would also draw a comparison to their inherent hatred of blacks, browns, Muslims, the French, Mexicans or anybody from Central and South America etc. It goes on forever.
When we were stationed in Hawaii in the 1980's, I always felt like my long-distance calls were monitored even then. I would talk to my youngest sister about the most mundane things, our pets, favorite foods, and so on. The whole time we were talking it sounded like someone was listening in, we always heard all kinds of clicks and we knew it wasn't any of our own family members because we could see them while we were talking to each other. We would start making jokes about the person or persons listening in, saying things such as, "Gee, I hope you're getting all of this down, please spell the names of our dogs correctly, ok." Then the line would suddenly go dead, they would cut us off.
I never knew whether it was the phone company operators that listened in, our own government or the Soviets that would place ships out in international waters to do some spying.
Penn & Teller saw this coming on their Showtime series, B.S.!
Season 3, Episode 7: "Big Brother"
I'm sure there's a clip floating around on YouTube.
‘Over 3,000 Americans have no civil rights because they are no longer with us,’ Sessions said.
Uh huh. Unfortunately, about 4,500 Americans who served in Iraq are no longer with us and have no civil rights either, you son of a bitch.
That doesn't even begin to speak for the roughly one million Iraqis we've killed. But hey, they don't get any civil rights--they're Iraqis. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time--their home.
I mourn for the soul of this country. And Jeff Sessions, George W Bush will see you in hell.
the three of them can rot with W!
And we have Dem congresscritters like Rockefeller saying how shocked they are. Shocked they tell you. The ACLU and others have been warning them for years, not to mention the history behind the Church procedings, but these hydrocephalics are shocked.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me a hundred times or so and you can elect me as a Dem congresscritter.
Did anybody think that the first thing a terrorist would do when communicating to someone in the US or elsewhere is say "Hi, good day, I'm a terrorist, so you can now listen in Mr/Ms NSA Person"? The only way to trap anything is first to capture everything and then attempt to filter it out. And no intel puke in his right mind would then throw the useless stuff away on the off chance (the 1% doctrine?) that he might lose his job if he was wrong. Such is reality in the world of the bureaucrat.
First of all, I'd like to give a shoutout to the NSA. Have you ever listened in to every day conversation? When I'm out and about, the worst thing is having to listen to people on their phones or just converation on public transport. It is VERBAL DIARRHOEA The crap that spews out of people's mouth is mind numbingly boring, imagine having the job to listen to it all day.
A newspaper here in Norway reported this a few days ago. A shame we are so interconnected at times, this behaviour from your administration is almost amusing to watch sometimes, when you momentarily forget all those hurt and killed by its disastrous policies.
This report about the NSA reminds me of that excellent German film "The Lives of Others". Anyone spouting that snooty argument - "I have nothing to hide" - should rent and watch that film.
I'm always amazed when I hear some one say they have 'nothing to hide'. Then, in the next breath say we should support our troops. When I was in school I was taught people gave up their lives to protect our freedoms. I imagine there are a few people killed during the Revolutionary War and World Wars I & II who wouldn't appreciate how casually these people throw away our Rights.
/hat tip
Et tu, Brute?
What's wrong with telling the PLAIN TRUTH? George Bush LIED.
Give me liberty AND sex
If that was Chuck Baldwins campaign slogan, he'd so be winning.
US law calls for up to 5 years in prison for each and every case of illegal surveillance. Enforce the law.
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come on, is anyone really surprised?
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