Health Care Vote Begins - Open Thread UPDATED: Bill passes 219-212
That's Nancy Pelosi walking up the steps of the Capitol building, carrying the same gavel used when Congress passed Medicare in 1965. The rule debate is beginning now. Twitter users can follow along here. Or watch streaming video of the debate via C-Span. Huff Po:
At Pelosi's side were Georgia congressman and civil rights-era leader John Lewis and her close friend Rep. David Obey (D-Wisc.).
Speaking to HuffPost's Arthur Delaney, Rep. Dingell expressed confidence that reform would pass when asked if he thought Democrats had the votes.
"I wouldn't be walking this way if I didn't," said the Michigan Democrat, who ambled into the meeting on crutches instead of in a wheelchair. The caucus could be heard applauding him when he entered the room.
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) told HuffPost that Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and his anti-abortion bloc of Democrats were not discussed during a last-minute morning meeting of Democrats. He echoed Speaker Pelosi in saying he expected the bill would pass. Asked whether Stupak would be a 'yes' vote, Rep. Sandy Levin said, "I think so."
Final vote on the Senate bill: 219-212
You call that a gavel?
Now here's a gavel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgbsV6aTHts
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...has healthcare reform now?
...has health INSURANCE reform (after a fashion) now.
There *IS* a difference.
Haz cheezburger?
Hope she gets to pound that thing in victory.
You want to see nancy pounding herself?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Mental floss needed.
Yeah I get that effect too from superhero cartoons of the 60's.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Paul Ryan is currently arguing (wait for it) that the HCR bill is in violation of "the 1974 unfunded mandates" resolution.
Yeppers. He's arguing against the bill on the grounds that it's "an unfunded mandate".
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Jesus, what next? If the bill passes it will kill all the cute little kittens?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Stop birth control of cats. Stop the neutering and spaying.
I'll go all Bob Barker on their butts if they say that. My husband and I have just set up a trust for our local humane society to have a spay and neuter program with the money we will leave them when we die. That in addition to what we do for them now.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
in futherance of my religion?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
just masturbate. You know how god reacts.
me-oww!
all your advice would bring are cats with hair on their retractable claws.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
If that really worked, cats would have gone extinct when I was in college....
http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/I...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
This is like the anxiety of pre-superbowl, Christmas eve and the evening of November 4th 2008 all rolled up into one.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Later, Ryan cites "the British health care system" and says that this bill is "a step towards" the British system.
He cites his mother-in-law receiving treatment for ovarian cancer taking a drug called "Avastin" that he says "is saving her life" that the UK doesn't cover.
I'm researching the subject now.
Update: Canada covers Avastin. The UK covers it for breast and colon cancer, though I'm not sure yet why not for ovarian cancer (it apears to still be "undergoing testing" for ovarian, leukemia and some other types of cancer). But more to the point, Brits could still buy it with their own money out on the open-market, same as Americans, so what exactly is Ryan's point?
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The Republicans will say anything to derail the process. I have noticed how intense and incredible their lying has become. This is a pattern of theirs to make up these lies within what seems to be a plausible story so it seems acceptable until you check the facts.
Rule #1 Never trust anything a right-winger tells you!
Correction: Both democrats and republicans will say anything to get their way.
Neither side has been truthful in what I've seen on the C-SPAN coverage. Democrats go on about how this will "cover everyone" and "decrease costs" (which it probably won't), Republicans says some crap about "fascism", "death of liberty" and "death panels".
Democrats: This is a giveaway to the insurance industry. Sure, you'll cover some more people with the awful crap we've got now, and the insurance industry will have to come up with a new way to "game" the system into continuing to generate record profits at the expense of the people it's supposed to serve.
Republicans: Grow up, it isn't fascism. The Patriot Act was as close, The Military Commissions Act was closer ... but this isn't fascism. It's corporatism, and you guys usually cheer it on. I'm sure you would be busy cheerleading it if the political bandwagon it is tied to had a "R" at the front instead of a "D"...
Both sides espouse values and concepts which would best be served by a single payer system (Republicans: control costs, Democrats: cover everyone). They're just too stupid and in the pocket of the insurance industry to admit it.
Sure, the insurance companies will come up with new ways to game the system.
But we've got our foot in the door now. If they keep raising the price on premiums to cover arguably a sicker clientele,
we'll have the public option to fall back on. And I figure
it'll be a lot easier next time around, especially after the
public sees them for the greedy bastards they are.
is sure getting the talking points out on c-span today. Has anyone seen a democrat on c-span yet today?
I'm pretty sure they had a dem on after this guy. I can't remember his name. C-span is re-showing the part where Nunes was on right now so when his part is over you might check to see if I'm right. They had a dem on the show yesterday who was great. He explained the bill in simple terms and also talked about good things that aren't in this bill.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Actually, Nunes was on yesterday (or was it Friday?), and TP has been reporting on his asshat comments.
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It must really eat the hearts out of some GOPers that Pelosi always keeps a level head, looks terrific, and has more brains in her little finger than Boehner and Cantor combined.
I realize many on the left dislike Pelosi, but the woman is remarkable in many, many ways.
Thanks for this video.
She has some sort of record for the number of bills she has brought to the floor of the House and gotten passed. She's tough for a granny. :)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
If I heard right, it will be her 70th birthday on Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Nancy Pelosi steeled White House for health push
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
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So sick of these people...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
shit. They weren't willing to be bi-partisan and now blame those that reached out to them with both arms. "LIARS."
helpful.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
concerned about abortion, why didn't they participate in a bi-partisan way to get language in the bill they could live with?
these theatrics, couldn't they have made it a better bill?
there is nothing historic about this bill
right now in multimillion dollar homes across america, insurance company ceo's are wetting themselves thinking about the untold profits this bill will bring them
at the same time, arizona and other states are cutting back on their state public options
i am not excited
it's far from earth shattering. By the looks of the video couldn't they just have easily carried a couple of gold tablets?
It is earth shattering ... in that it staves off the election-level disaster that the Democrats would probably have had from failing to pass this turkey after a year of pissing and moaning.
I'm not voting for Obama again. He failed all three of my criteria for a president:
1) End the ongoing pointless wars... fail.
2) Real energy policy... partial fail. Some green projects, mostly pointless tax cuts and "clean coal".
3) Single payer... major fail.
Huge Major Fails. The only hope we have is another candidate running against him, and I'm not counting any of the mentally diseased from the republican party.
because he doesn't want to jeopardize his eternal salvation...but it sounds like he's OK with the abortion language in the bill and isn't with Stupak, altho he doesn't make that entirely clear...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Rev. Kildee said he was "satisfied the Hyde rules were explicit in the bill" and will therefore be voting FOR the bill.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
"dead babies" and "wounded" women.
Give me a goddamn break, as if the anti-choicers cared anything about women!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkEl2U6YbMk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
care about the type of dead babies mentioned in the song...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
"wounded women" was an afterthought...
I wonder how many wounded women he would worry about if women have to go back to back-alley abortions?
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
. . . it would destroy private health insurance. How wrong they were. This same gavel will soon usher in the largest investment in for-profit health insurance in history.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Blah, blah, blah.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIl0HsYM88&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
concern trolling about abortion. And some of their other pet causes too, but mainly abortion and sticking their noses in women's uteruii.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRsUZRaSSkc
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwGfP98vGM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...if you're pre-school, your f---ed. - George Carlin.
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From the bits and pieces of info I'm getting the gallery has been loud and obnoxious. Very disruptive. And after what the teabaggers did yesterday, it wouldn't surprise me to see some crazy sonofabitch pull out a gun and start shootin up the place.
Man,I hope it stays peaceful there.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
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I mean those crazy teabaggers.
I'm gonna go see if I can catch some of this. My computer hasn't be functioning very well lately.
The teabaggers are getting kinda spooky. No tellin what might happen. Then the capitol police will have to get involved. This could get ugly.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Earlier today, they did have to suspend debate for about 5 minutes when Congress was "disrupted" by a group of protesters (For or Against, I couldn't tell.)
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rowdy at times. A lot of yelling when someone talks past their time.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
the Capitol Building just to go to the visitor's center. If you want to go into the galleries, then all electronic and metal items (including batteries) have to be checked. Then you have to pass through one more metal detector to get into the galleries... They are pretty strict. I doubt someone could get a gun in there...
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Rep. Dreyer (iirc) just asked if the House vote will pass the Senate bill "as is" with the kickbacks intact.
Rep. Slaughter said yes, but... at which point he cut her off.
Crowing that they'd pass the bad Senate bill if they vote yes, Slaughter was finally able to finish and point out that the Reconciliation vote they pass next would strip those items out, "so if you don't like those earmarks, you need to vote FOR reconciliation!"
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protestors right now.
www.cspan.org
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Procedural votes... Delaying tactics.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
right about the voting.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I wonder when a foreign country will invade and save us from ourselves.
independence for our own good...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
And the English know how to enforce our own good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxSpTKE5Jno
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
at least they have universal health care. ;)
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
in English and French. Will a monkey be required?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
This bill signals a "Twilight of the Interests Groups"
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Thanks for linking to it.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
brought to you by the DLC industry group.
This bill signals a cementing in the power of the industry groups. What a bought and paid for little DLC snitch Erza Klein is. He reminds me of the twit in elementary school who would brownnoses the teacher and runs to teacher to tattle on his classmates.
I wish I was in the gallery... it would be very entertaining... I have never seen the floor of the House of Representatives so rancorous. It is supposed to be a very decorous place... but I can certainly see why the Democrats in the House get so mad at the lies and spin of the Republicans' grandstanding for the cameras.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
live, I have to say that it sure seems more time is spent inquiring about time remaining, etc than actual time spent commenting/debating. Or maybe it's just me?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
few more seconds...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I was thinking the same thing myself. :)
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do whatever you can to make sure your opponent can't be heard.
This is pretty typical behavior. Except I haven't seen so much yelling. The other thing about the House is that contrary to what you see on Cspan, because the cameras are pointed down to the floor and focus mostly on the speakers and the bench, is that most people would be surprised at how empty the chamber is while these things are "debated."
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
I saw 1 republicann vote for yea and now it's gone. Who's doing the arm twisting?
I guess it a good thing Paul Ryan's mother-in-law qualifies for that socialist monument call Medicare, otherwise she wouldn't be getting treatment for here cancer here either.
Oh, wait, it's Alcee Hastings. He really caught my ear with his rhyme schemes. :D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Not that I am thrilled with this watered down bill but I can jump up and click my heels because the right-wing failed to take this down number one and two I am happy because the sociopaths on Wall Street will be whining about how taxes will go up and how that is going to hurt growth.
yourself pro-life again!"
What a sick bastard...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
into the record... They are repeating their requests to insert them like a bunch of robots...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
No more procedural votes.... Giving them all the time to submit a comment to be entered into the record...Every single Republican, but, eventually they will run out of Republican members...
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
on abortion is not good enough.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
I can only say I might agree that the Executive Order is not worth the clean sheet of paper it was probably written on.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...would have turned Gandhi into Holden Caulfield.
I know it's childish of me, and it's not as though I'm any great fan of the Democratic Party, but Great Gazoo! These Republicans are so over-the-top full of poo that watching C-SPAN in the last few years is more than a little like a live-action version of a Chick tract.
on the heads of the idiot Dems, the sellouts, who let the whole effort get eviscerated by the pay offs, their spinelessness, corruption and stupidity.
Yes, that gavel might not knock any sense into them, they're beyond that, it would be just punishment. And I'd like Robert DeNiro as Al Capone wielding it.
I despise them all, especially O-Bomb-A if he traded with Stupek to enslave women with an exec order banning "killing babies with taxpayer money". Hell, the USA does that everyday, all around the world as well as at home. Oh, I forgot, they're colored babies. Excuse me. Pelosi, with that big gavel, is like a clown with a balloon. That is how I see her. A clown, with her troupe.
And screw you Kos, Kucinich is a man of principle as is Bernie Sanders. You are a newly minted Dem that used to be a Rethug, but now you are a 100% Dem oracle, spineless, with no principle. Hope I don't see your mug on MSNBC too soon.
Now let's see if we progressives can move this train wreck to something worthwhile. And praise for the pro-choice women in Congress that put up a fight against the right wing religious extremist child rapist's representatives. They are the ones we should applaud.
to their corporate masters too.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Don't punch the hippies too hard. They bruise easily.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
This radical hippy punches back. In the spirit of love, of course.
Unless that along with being a DFH you also happen to be a Firebagger. In which case, of course, you'd trigger a berserker response. Lay down with Grover and you get punched, kicked and clawed before Norquist drowns you in the tub.
Figuratively punched, kicked and clawed. Literally drowned...But that's Grover!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Do you get to do that in separate footed bathtubs
supplied by Cialis?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
While the Republicans stall.
Nature by Numbers
Thanks, xoites!
Don'tcha know you don't say republican and stall in the same sentence
At least not without tap dancing?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
With a fresh coat of bronzer and a gold tan.
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When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I have a bad habit of calling him, "Tangerine Boner." I think of it as his drag name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uCDV8OWRQA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Earl Scheib gets ya there.
I had in mind a character inserted in here, somehow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0TYI5b-Lmo&fe...
I've long thought the best drag names are a sort of Rorschach Test for the ability to detect puns, witticisms & flat-out (fabulous) filth.
Mandated Private Health Insurance.
It's official.
The United States of America is Fascist.
Virginia first state in nation to pass anti-mandate health reform bill
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
The Facism was put into high gear by Bush and his cronies.
and the Democrats stand on the accelerator. There is no difference between them. All are bought and sold by their corporate owners.
Whether you're on the libertarian right or anarchist left (like me), there's a long list of laws & court decisions that out-rank health insurance reform in odiousness.
Let's see...
Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution - slaves 3/5 of a person
Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution - slave importation
Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution - illegal to aid escaped slaves
The Alien & Sedition Acts
Dred Scott
Plessy v. Ferguson
The National Security Act of 1947
Etcetera.
I mean, come on, are you sure you don't want to revise & amend your remark to name the dissolution of the Gold Standard & the creation of the Federal Reserve as the darkest days? You know you wanna...
Now we are all slaves. Mark it down. History will sort it out.
You don't know what slavery is.
This is but a small measure of what institutionalized American slavery looks like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
http://www.historyonthenet.com/Slave_Trade/pu...
You undermine your own case by resorting to absurd hyperbole that marks you out as ignorant of history.
The Confessions of Nat Turner &
Sacred Hunger
Making a fool of himself. How long before he cries?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGoYOSomKLw
Someone has to pay for the wars that the Republicans started and didn't fund.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Boehner is calling on members to voice vote one at a time "to get it on the record before the public".
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Can you go home,look at your constituents and assure them that you made the slightest attempt during your entire term in office to help reform health care or enact meaningful change Herr Boner?No.You cannot.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
He must have had a bad game of golf today.
golf was played for free in Scotland.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Boehner is on a tear repeating the "Americans don't want this bill" nonsense.
Yawn.
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Moses is weeping!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
About the Party of No being shut out of the debate....even though it's a lie until they obstructed the whole way giving Obama proudly 0 votes....and because, you know, the Delay congress and the Bush regime was so willing to work with the Democratic minority.
Karma's a bitch Orangeman.
until the next bill.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Well, you can always use a rolled-up dollar bill...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
and BEGGING...
and showing himself to be a complete hypocrit.
is never pretty...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
That is the ultimate. His speech has been outrageous. He assumes the Republican view is the American view. He is wrong. Republicans being left out of this would be the ONLY way to bring credit to the process. They only want to kill it. That's not participating.
for this House to do anything.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
does the work of multi-national corporations?
I already received a pre-recorded call tonight asking for money to support the election of 40 Republicans in the House so that Boehner could become speaker again...
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Boner managed to get through it without crying and ruining his make up!
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_g...
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
and Integrity.
22 Democrats vote nay
0, not even 1, Republicans vote yea
There's that Republican "bi-partisanship".
I'm watching those Democrats who vote Nay. Over 20 so far.
Who are these gutless weenies?
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red staters
It will be interesting to see how well these 20 +- do in November. I will try to keep an eye and remember who they are.
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"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Who are the nearly 30 Dems voting with them though?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
And all that "bipartisanship" means is that the two largest American political parties agree on something.
It in no way guarantees that whatever they agree on is actually in the best interest of the American people - just in the best interest of the two principal parties.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
History is being made. Congrats to the president.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
215 needed.....
n/t
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
C'mon guys!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
not 1 yea vote from the Party of No.
....211....
YEAH!!
Party Boss Limbaugh and Nutty Professor Beck will be in rare form tomorrow! Maybe that fat f*ck Limbaugh will bust a gasket and finally keel over over this....a win/win!
There it is-from your Canadian pal Pinkobait...congrats everyone.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
They did it. Good job Dems!
Who are the 34 Dems who voted No?
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...who didn't vote?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
...at the last second, they voted No.
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