Sunday Morning Bobblehead Thread
By Nicole Belle Sunday Mar 01, 2009 5:00amThin Lizzy - The Boys Are Back In Town
Can you believe it? It actually looks like the Sunday shows are willing to let members of the Obama administration speak for themselves instead of having a bunch of Republicans on to say what's wrong with the Obama administration. Make no mistake, we still have to deal with the complete clod-headedness of Rep. Eric Cantor on This Week and that neo-Nazi-loving John Kyl on Fox News Sunday. And with David Gregory cheerfully serving up GOP talking points on Meet the Press, guest Robert Gates needs no Republican counterpoint. Still, this is a much more positive line up than I've seen in a long time:
ABC's "This Week" - Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag; House Republican Whip Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va.
CBS' "Face the Nation" - White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.
NBC's "Meet the Press" - Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.
NBC's "The Chris Matthews Show" - Panel: Andrea Mitchell, David Ignatius, Steve Inskeep and Helene Cooper. Topics: What will happen after the US leaves Iraq? Can we win in Afghanistan? What does President Obama think the signs of economic growth will be? Meter Questions: Can Obama get Americans to focus on his long term goals instead of the economic crisis? YES: 6 NO: 6; Is there a bipartisan consensus that the Iraq war is over? YES: 8 No: 4
CNN's "State of the Union" - Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen.
CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" - What is the difference between fundamental Islam and radical Islam? Four experts argue over whether there's a distinction between those who want Islamic law and those who want to kill us. Also, the prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, says we'll never defeat the insurgency in Afghanistan. Finally, The Financial Times' Martin Wolf paints a frightening picture of how bad the economic downturn really is
"Fox News Sunday" - Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen; Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., and Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis.
So what's catching your eye this morning?
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Jeez, I made it through a night of drinking without throwing up. Looks like that may change...
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Zakarias' GPS looks interesting. Maybe I can catch a repeat of it later. Got to get on the road and drive through the nasty storm in the SE this morning.
Based on that intro, I expected to see Democrats on every show with few Republicans, but that line up looks pretty much the same to me.
The military guys (Mullen, Gates) are Republicans. The "Panel" shows look no different, Rahm has already been on FtN nation, so that's not new. And naturally, Fox is all GOP all the time.
I fail to see that "The Boys REALLY ARE Back in Town" from that line-up. You've lost it, Nicole.
"The MEN are back in town," but frankly, after reading the line-ups, I didn't see too many...
Clearly, the "boys" are back, but the ADULTS are few and far between (as usual).
And on a side-note...
...if anyone is going to play "The Boys Are Back in Town", they should ONLY use the original version by The Bus boys (different song, I know, but classic.) :)
I said the Obama administration.
Orszag, Rahm, Gates and Mullen. Only three Republicans in his Administration and the shows give us Gates & Mullen.
No offense to Orszag and Emanuel, but that isn't what I'd call "back".
Perhaps somebody, anybody, in the media should ask this dolt just what the hell are the goals then in Afghanistan. We've all listened to 8 years of this crap. Time to withdraw, not surge. I think there has been enough killing of women and children.
america is going to be the empire that DOESN'T die in afghanistan! right? can i get a witness?!
since Obama and the new administration are actually focusing on Pakistan for now. Didn't you hear the news? Afghanistan has been won, and seeds of democracy have been planted. Well, seeds have been planted probably. Like any military invasion, ya gotta wonder how many Ameri-Afghan babies have been born, or Ameri-Iraqi babies. Would be an interesting statistic to see.
did daniel plainview get his pipeline? does he get to drink somebody's milkshake?
did the wicked witch secure her poppies?
The 2010 and 2012 elections, of course.
no one is accidentally mislead. Harper has not been in power eight years and the Canadian troops in Afghanistan were sent there by the previous Liberal government. Presumably the intent of this whole adventure is to create a sufficiently stable Afghani government that will be able to defend its own interests so everyone can go home. That doesn't look to happen any time soon. In any event the Canadian troops will be out by 2011. That is the end of the Canadian commitment.
Flipped past the channel, then back, 'cuz I saw what looked to be the youngest "commentator" I've ever seen; yep, they had a 14-yr old "political analyst prodigy" on, giving his opinion on where the Cons should be going. And this kid said that they way Obama is going, and the policies he's implementing, he's going to be another Carter.
WTF? It was like watching a real-life Alex P. Keaton extol the virtues of Reagan.
Sounds like the same obnoxious brat that was on Thom Hartmann's radio show Friday as he broadcasts live from CPAC.
he's clearly the chosen one, who will bring back balance to the force -the dolly llama of modern conservatism!
not since dumbo has a young elephant shown so much potential. somebody buy that kid a couple bags of peanuts!!
(i never said I was smart!)
Yeah, but you're the Dali Lama of Dolly Llama's. :)
that was my 2nd coffee-spitter of the morning, uncle joe delivered the 1st on a thread below!
I saw the kid on c-span at the PNAC convention. I thought the same thing about Alex Keaton. The kid speaks well, but if you listen to him, you realize he doesn't actually say much. Kind of freaky as far as I'm concerned.
The kid's a robot. He reminds me of what Eric Cantor must have been like at that age.
which show will be the one with polly the well-behaved center-right parrot and talking barbie, the fresh new face of conservatism?
this ain't your one-eyed, toothless grandpappy's G.O.P., baby!!
and there's John Hagee doing an infomercial for the "Zoe 8 Diet" with some guy who must weigh 350 pounds! Yeah, do as I say, not as I do, indeed!!
Catholicism?
Conservatism?
Nazism
Condoms?
This is the most important morning to not let outside influences (political spin) affect the peace and happiness of my bird. Therefore we will be using the 33 1/3 record player to play music. And, read C&L.
Where are the Democrats in these lineups? I see a bunch of people that use that word at the end of their names, but don't see any that are leftist in any way.
That's what I said after looking at that line-up.
but damn that rush limbaugh thread last nite was a hot one! i totally missed out on all the fun, until this morning!
so kind of fux news to hang so fertile a pinata for us all, so kind of them to throw a prize ham like limpballs on a spit for us! even came with an apple stuffed in his mouth!!
It was rolling along pretty well, and I figured I'd probably regret what I'd have said in the morning. But it wouldn't have been, "Rush, I luv you, maaan..."
... where you wake up in the morning, and say to yourself, "oh, god, what have i done this time?"
completely foreign to me!!
Mullen is doing a decent job of defending his CiC (Obama) on Fox, but Wallace is pulling out EVERY gop talking point.
First, he resurrects their carefully edited clip of Mullen's comment from last July on timelines, but Mullen reiterates what they clipped out back then.
Then, to hear Wallace suggest Obama wants to spend too much on Iraq til 2019 is a joke; and to hear him ask Mullen if Obama's estimate of "$50 Billion a year on Iraq" is "too low"... may I remind these Jacka$$es that THEIR people said Iraq would cost no more than ONE billion before the war started???
Mullen notes how attentive Obama has been with listening to his Generals, meeting with them and addressing their concerns.
Wallace's final comment: "Are you satisfied Obama is concerned with finishing The War on Terror?" (not an exact quote).
'AILING GOP RISKS
LOSING A GENERATION'
With enough education, maybe we can find a permanent cure.
Hay, why are there no Democrats on Faux?...................Oh, wait, silly me, the "fair and balanced" network is being boycotted by the Dems.
They hired Glen (dumbest person on camera) Beck to be more "fair and balanced", so why not give Ann (queen of the damned) Colter her own show and they would be even more "fair and balanced"?
birds are singing, tranquility permeates the air.
for those of you stuck in the city.
Listening to Ryan & Kyl repeat GOP talking points on taxes unchallenged by Wallace is more than I can bear.
Oy!
Kyl: "Don't blame us for the huge deficit. We've haven't been in charge in over two years!"
Governor of Kansas tapped to head HHS
The Prez gets out and about.
The White House is now President Obama's
President Obama and climate change
President Obama picks a fight.
The S word. Here we go again.
Well folks, it's off to work. Hasta.
Isn't Kansas bankrupt? So her work there is done? Is she another of the fiscally correct? I've only seen her twice in videos, and she doesn't seem too impressive. Is there nobody he can tap for change that isn't already in government somewhere? Just curious.
That they'll let Bubba back in. :)
As a person who was an exempts employee at age 56 and after 12 years with a company in which I developed a process that saves my former employer $80 million each year and with whom gave me the corporate IT Award in 2006 for another project in 2006 which I received a patent, I was abruptly let go along with approx. 1000 other employees. Most were long term employees with more expensive pension plans and higher plans. Most of the younger ones that were eliminated were hired back in other positions. The average age of officers at this company is 41 and companies no longer place value on experience, it’s what they can get away with to keep expenses low for short term benefits and to line their pockets. The CEO got a $24 million dollar bones after our termination. It’s the same old crime that large companies have been able to get away with these past eight years and that is to line the pockets of the upper management group at the costs of all others, especially older workers. It’s better to cash out the company and spread the balance to the people who worked years to build that company than the pirates who come in with an MBA and use cronyism and age discrimination to disguise their discriminatory hiring and promotion practices. It’s about time older workers and the middle class take back this country and these companies from the profit barons.
we've returned to the tired old company line of "restructuring" which simply stated means, mass layoffs, and major bonus for the CEOs cuz they layed people off. It's quite the reward system and it was very popular in the early 90s where I live. Every company was restructuring. What it boiled down to, was scaring your remaining employees into working harder, for less and it worked good. I am always amazed at how humans repeat the same mistakes over and over and over hoping for a different outcome that never happens. Every recession in my life has been met head on by a huge increase in government debt and spending. Does it work? Nobody really knows because they do the same thing every time.
Why is Joe Scabbucket there as some sort of expert? Doesn't the POS get enough airtime on his own show? WTF?
that guys like Joe, etc, etc are "luminaries" to the average mind stuck in television land.
Hume says the only way Obama's plan can work is if he gets the same sort of "Booming economy that Clinton had in his second term or Bush has in the middle of his first."
Huh???
same sort of unsustainable bubbles.
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Many American (and foreign) investors are being systematically ripped off on a grand scale by the manufacturing, merchandising and selling of badly adulterated investment silver and gold American coins. It is also now known that Credit Suisse gold bars, and a good deal of bullion European coinage is also being faked as well as the Canadian Maple leaf and the famous Krugerrands. All of these counterfeit items are being currently manufactured in China and sold all over the world as a hedge investment to millions.
This counterfeiting is, of course, a serious crime but not in China where screwing the Americans is a great game. Adulterating pet food, toothpaste, milk and other products to cut their expenses is a well-known trait of the Celestials and anyone who thinks the innocent government in Beijing is not fully aware of this is an idiot.
only to buy from a reputable source. Of course one should never take physical possession of gold. If you leave it in the hands of your bank or other qualified holder it does not have to be assayed when sold. Otherwise it must be assayed or only a fool will buy it.
How Stephanopoulos can hold his nose and let Karl Rove sit on his roundtable panel when the puke s/b sitting in a prison cell, I just don't know.
...than I've heard them in a very long time.
From trying to get Mullen to criticize Obama, to the discussion on taxes starting with Kyl & Ryan going unchallenged on their fact-free diatribes, then the "Power Panel" ranting on how "tax cuts create jobs"...
It's all giving me a headache in my eye.
Katrina has ripped Rove and the Bush administration a new a-hole. That's my girl! "No plan, No clue, No shame". S/b an excellent C&L clip!
We either crash the entire system and start from scratch or you take on more debt.
One fixes the problems now with great hardship and harm to Citizens and the other throws the problems on the shoulders of the next generation.
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And the political stratosphere gives zero options. Spend like a drunken sailor on everything, or fix that which is broken. Politicians don't seem to have the will to fix what is broken. Too many conflicts of interest.
Just let it all collapse?
I'm sorry, but that's not an option. It maybe for some people. But I would venture to call them anarchists.
OK, off to work. Have a nice day folks.
When you get a chance, I'll just ask you one question. Who says it isn't going to collapse even with trillions thrown at it?
the esteemed Mudshark appears to have gone off to work I'll venture an answer. There is no guarantee that it will work. On the other hand, if nothing is done, collapse is assured.
Why I never. Not in all my days have I ever been called that. What do you think I am? A Politician? Oh strike that, that's a bad one. Ok, How about a clergyman? No , No, Not that one either.
Maybe a Professor? Naw, it just ain't me.
Beach bum? Me likey lots.:)
Yeah, yeah, That's The Ticket!
Thank You Peter G. :)
Gates says on MtP that staying until the end of Obama's first term "would be a challenge".
Interesting.
Every show this morning (sans the 30 minute FtN) has Republican on it blasting Obama for "Raising taxes" and "reckless spending". And the few defenders are doing a pi$$ poor job.
Where are the Obama Administration defenders countering all this toxic talk?
Addendum: In their 20 minute segment, Mike Murphy injected the derogative "France" or "French" four times. Sigh.
Indeed. I'm wondering if the Obama Administration has written off the Sunday shows as basically irrelevant?
Update: Make that five "France" references (and counting).
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...how to use these shows "to catapult the propaganda."
everyone over 50 is basically screwed. 30's and 40's will scrape by. Until the diaper generation comes to age and gets their credit cards at least.
I suspect you're right. As one of the ones over 50 (only slightly), I probably will have to work until I'm 70 or dead, whichever comes first.
Only good thing is that I'll be too old to fight in all those wars that will materialize to stimulate the economy.
It's obvious now I'm going to have to work, and struggle till I drop dead. Most of it trying to keep what I've earned from being stolen in one clever form or another.
I should have said since most of it's been stolen the past 8 years.
Karl Rove as a member of the Political Roundtable? The man broke numerous laws and there is sufficient reason to believe he has committed actual acts of treason against the United States.
Nice pick!
During war everything changes.
Katherine VandelHeuvel of the Nation ripped, in a quiet manner, Rove to shreds. You could steam coming out of his ears.
see it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
and see it Here.
I went there so you don't have to.
discussing the closing of their paper, death of newspapers in general. Pretty depressing.
U.S. influence in Iraq far from over
By ERIC MARGOLIS
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/...
history at this rate WW1, WW2, etc . . if we're not careful.
Modern day version of 1909 . . etc.
before nations start pointing fingers and excuses at each other for the economic mess. World war next? Stay tuned.
Watch the spark to be in Kosovo with the war spreading into Bosnia, Macedonia and probably Bulgaria. This one will bring on strange alliances. Orthodox Christians (Russians, Greeks, Serbs) vs. an awkward alliance between the Muslim world, the Vatican and the United States.
at the US for the economic mess? And they're mosty correct.
politicians start using other nations to justify when the economy doesn't turn around. Happens all the time. Hell, they don't even have the gonads to admit publicly that there would be no drug smuggling if it wasn't for the simple fact that there is a demand for it. Instead, they point and blame Mexico, Canada, Columbia, Afghanistan, and any and all.
Agree with you there, CC. Without demand, there is no need for supply. As someone who was a frequent consumer, I've at curtailed my own consumption to maybe 5-10% of the "good old days".
Knowledge of what is going on in other countries to support my habit kinda kills the buzz...
Agree that demand must be cut, but let's face it. Given the times we're in, world-wide drug use is likely to increase as folks seek to numb themselves from reality.
Hate to bring up Kosovo again, but it seems our political leaders are glad to oblige:
http://02varvara.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/kos...
Thanks.
Seems to be the ruling agenda.
Bank of Beautyrest?
Katherine and someone named Greenberg were on one side. Karl Rove and George Will the other side. Katherine in a quiet manner and armed with REAL facts and figures made mincemeat out of Karl Rove. It was positively uplifting to see Katherine dismember Rove's "talking points". Watching Rove's face it was clear he was doing a slow burn but kept it in control.
How many times have I heard Conservatives this morning bemoan "the American people are tired of..." (insert bad policy here: big spending, no plan, etc".
Well, gee. Just who exhausted the American people to tire them so much?
If they had there way, the years 2000-2008 would simply be erased from the calendar.
I missed
himnothing.On Faux Snooze, basically said that Obama pulled his military budget numbers out of his *ss. Yikes.
What a dick. I used to watch MTP all the time. I really don't know why but I did. I tried during the Brokaw months but after he pimped for the Republicans with a false poll reference I could not bring myself to watch him anymore. Then when Gregory came on the scene I had a little hope that he would act like a professional but it didn't take long to see he just can't help himself being a Republican tool. One funny thing is that he was posting on Twitter as if it was his own billboard for MTP but as soon as C+L outed him and suggested that we bombard him so he starts acting like the host of Meet the Press and not just a talking points enabler, Gregory has pulled back from his Twitter rampage. No matter, I will still not watch him.
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No female authority figures at all!
The only two women were newsreaders in make-up and heels. No women congress-critters, agency heads, CEOs, university presidents, company founders, scholars, inventors... None. Nada. Zip.
From watching the Sunday line-ups week after week, you'd get the idea that women were talentless, idealess, powerless, suitable only for reading the words written by others.
:ptui:
Here are some suggestions for the producers:
Bunnatine Greenhouse on military cost overruns, dishonest contracts, fraud, and accountability. Balance her with an apologist from Halliburton. Perhaps a mention of the 12 billion dollars that vanished into the Iraqi sands... could she find it?
Debra Bowen and a couple other Secretaries of State on the problems with electronic voting or tallying machines: democracy hinges upon fair elections.
Mary Landrieu on the rebuilding failures in New Orleans, Jindal's refusal of federal funds, her own new position heading the Senate Committee on Small Business & Entrepreneurship and how it can jump-start economic development throughout the country.
That's just off the top of my head.
There are plenty of women here in the real world who think and act; surely those lazy producers can set up an interesting program including our voices!
I mean, c'mon folks, most of the Rethugs are out of office now. I'm sure we can find some intelligent Democratic spokeswomen.
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