Sunday Morning Bobblehead Thread
By Nicole Belle Sunday Aug 16, 2009 4:00am
Newt advises Sarah (h/t Blue Gal. Click here for larger.)
Can you believe it? I'm actually looking forward to this morning's shows. No, not George Snufflupagus on This Week or William the Bloody on Fox News Sunday, but our very own Rachel Maddow is subbing for David Gregory is on the panel opposite Dick Armey on Meet the Press. Rachel has been relentless in the last couple of weeks on the astroturfing of FreedomWorks, so this promises to be a lot of fun. Around the dial, it's all about the health care reform bill, with HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius on This Week and State of the Union, Robert Gibbs on Face the Nation and executives from the AMA and AARP on Fox News Sunday. Arlen Specter will be on This Week, to share his take on the recent Town Hall shout fests. Fareed Zakaria will continue his interview Sec of State Hillary Clinton and you can bet her defensive responses in Africa will definitely be brought up.
ABC's "This Week" - Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius; Sens. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.
CBS' "Face the Nation" - White House press secretary Robert Gibbs; former Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.; former Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind.
NBC's "Meet the Press" - FreedomWorks chairman and former Rep. Dick Armey, R-Texas; Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.; former Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D.; R. Bruce Josten, executive vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.; Gov. Bill Ritter, D-Colo.
NBC's "The Chris Matthews Show" - Panel: Rick Stengel, Trish Regan, John Heilemann, Kathleen Parker. Topics: Has the domestic "change" President Obama promised stalled? How has Woodstock in 1969 impacted the politics of the past forty years? Meter Questions: Will outspoken fringe players dominate GOP for the rest of Obama's term? YES: 9 NO: 3; If unemployment is still high next year, will Obama revise his tax proposals? YES: 11 NO: 1.
CNN's "State of the Union" - Sebelius; Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo.; Reps. Mike Ross, D-Ark., Tom Price, R-Ga., and Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas.
CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" - The first television interview with Michael Oren as Israel's new Ambassador to the United States. Plus, the Prime Minister of Kenya and an unusual event in Nairobi featuring Hillary Clinton and Fareed.
"Fox News Sunday" - Sens. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and Richard Shelby, R-Ala.; J. James Rohack, president of the American Medical Association; John Rother, executive vice president for policy and strategy at AARP.
So, what's catching your eye this morning?
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Stomp that newt Rachel!
I stopped watching MSM broadcast news a few years ago. What's the point after all? I don't prefer to have my info/education filtered by GE, Viacom, Disney or Fox (who may be cable but has the viewership of MSM). But I can't wait to see Rachel on Meet the Press (boy, has Gregory turned out to be a sell-out hack - even more so than Russert).
I'm gonna be walking the dog in the park as I generally do on Sunday morning since getting over my addiction for filtered entertainment masquerading as news. But I set the recorder for this. I hope Rachel really hits that piece of crap Armey of Dicks in the gut.
I continue to be especially appreciative of John Amato.
Gregory should be fired for fanning the flames of irratonal dissent.
He claimed that the discussion was about health care and simply switched the subject to his agenda; things like argument, manipulation, hysteria, special interest.....anything to discuss the disadvantages of fixing and putting off a solution. Russert would have asked critically important questions, with a high level of control and respect for the participants. Gregory USED Maddow to attract viewers, then allowed Armey to talk over and around her, and basically didn't let her speak. Every time you hear Gregory use the pronoun "I", HE's what is important, not the subject originally mentioned, but HIS means for attaining his objective. Russert was only interested in the truth.
This is the sad reality of the Republican health care paradise in the US.
Thanks for the heads up regarding MTP. Now I'm looking forward to it too. This should be fun and hopefully such a big success that we can tell Gregory Buh-Bye. After the show we should flood NBC with emails telling them how much we enjoyed Rachael and the show for the first time in like forever.
Is Rachel actually hosting??? Or just a guest?
Gregory plugged todays show on NBC News yesterday and made no mention of this.
The corporate behemoths could never let a truth teller in the lead chair. They have to be able to control the message. I'll bet they're going to regret having her on at all.
This is going to really boost ratings today for Meet the Press but I'm willing to bet they never have her on again after she eviscerates Armey and Coburn with those liberal facts.
I understood that she was going to be on a panel with Armey, Coburn and Daschle. Corporate sponsors would never allow anyone as cerebral, not to mention liberal, host that show.
There aren't many things that could prompt me to put up with David Gregory but a potential face off between Rachel Maddow and Dick Armey is one such event
Got my TiVo set for Rachel.
Nevermind.....I thought she was hosting. Guest is good, but host would definitely be better.....
If it's true that she is a guest and not the host, my buzz has just been killed. I mean guest is good but host would be freakin' good.
The PR memo I was sent by NBC definitely made it sound as if she would be hosting, not guesting.
This site pushed the NY Times off the list as the first thing I read in the morning - might as well get to meaningful/truthful/thoughtful news from the start.
And since yesterday I've been posting comments and I'm so pleased with the quality of the readers of this site.
There's only one problem: I think we're the fringe.... not the stupid right wing fringe, but the intelligent thoughtful fringe.
I'm a fringe? Okay, I'm good with that.
The modifier is important though. Modify mine with "Liberal" and not "Lunatic". ;)
I want to be that pretty fringe you often see on old lace pillows. Pillow fringe works for me.
Don't kid yourself Ron. We may be the fringe but we are the fringe that they listen to.
Second: What evidence that "listening" = "hearing"? or that anything meaningful has resulted?
jus' axin'...
The "they" are the people who monitor the internets in the White House, and the people who monitor the internets for the MSNBC programs and others and newspaper contributors check out what is being said I submit that our site here is one of the few they take seriously.
The evidence is things that I have seen written here that is unique to this site or these comments making it into print or coming out of the mouths of talkers or reactions to certain points that have been made here.
I realize there are probably 1000s of people who have the same comments and stuff but sometimes there are little things that point to this source.
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 05:45 — pissed off patricia
I'm a fringe? Okay, I'm good with that.
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That's why I use the Minoxidil.
We're NOT the fringe in America, except in comparison to our media.
The media keeps telling people we're fringe. But studies have shown that when you strip beliefs of labels, people will embrace liberal values, even if they're self-identified as conservatives.
But that's not what I read. Mind you, my source in this case is Huffington Post, NOT exactly an unimpeachable source. I'll cross my fingers that she will be subbing. That's why Republicans refuse to go on her show, because they know that she'll refute their lies with pesky facts.
...from his lawfirm "in protest over the Town Hall disruptions".
Not sure how this will change the dynamic this morning, but it will.
"The firm is busy with its business, and shouldn't be asked to take time out from their work, to defend themselves of spurious allegations," Armey said. "No client of this firm is going to be free to mind its own business without harassment as long as I'm associated with it."
is Merck or Baxter working on a vaccine for that???
Horses suffer from spurious indentations.
FnS says it will "Fact Check" the healthcare debate this morning.
Their panel: Shelby (R), who thinks even co-ops have "too much government involvement"; Conrad (D), who is anti-Public Option and pro co-op; the AMA, the biggest Dr. lobby that supports Obama, but critical of the Public Option; and the AARP, a lobby that sells its own insurance, that has not supported anything.
I'm listening.
AARP may not have supported anything but it has made it clear that the right is lying. I will post the email I got from them a couple weeks ago.
Dear Captain,
If your inbox is anything like mine, you're getting a lot of emails about how SCARY health reform is. From allegations about rationing care to wild reports of government-sponsored euthanasia, the rumors just keep getting crazier.
And I've had enough. Enough of the fear-mongering. Enough of the myths and unfounded rumors. Enough of the interest groups twisting the truth to stop health reform.
I'm fighting back – and I'm asking for your help!
Below I've debunked some of the common myths going around. Will you forward this email to your friends and help get the truth out about reform?
The truth is real reform is at risk because opponents are using scare tactics and slogans to gin up fear and misunderstandings. Don't let that happen.
Sincerely,
Barry Jackson
AARP Online Advocacy Manager
P.S. Let's make sure everyone gets the truth. After you've forwarded the message below, please share these myths and facts on Facebook if you have an account, or post them on other networking sites. If you're active on Twitter, please tweet the truth now.
******Delete the text above and forward this message to friends and family ******
Hi,
My inbox has been flooded with emails spreading crazy rumors about health reform so I wanted to share some facts from AARP about what's really going on. Please join me in forwarding these facts to everyone you know. Print them out and pass them around at your social gatherings and other places where people are discussing the issues of the day.
FACT #1: Medicare will not be ended, and no benefits or services will be cut.
Your services will not be ended, nor will your benefits be cut. AARP's position on this could not be clearer. And we have sent this message loud and clear to Congress. While the current proposals include savings in Medicare by cutting out fraud, abuse, waste, and inefficiency, we're standing up and making sure benefits for Medicare recipients are not only fully protected, but are improved.1
FACT #2: No legislation currently in Congress would mandate the rationing of care. Period.
Our staff has read all of the legislation circulating in Congress and there are no provisions in these bills that would ration care for our members. None. If any ever did, we would vigorously fight to stop that legislation.2
FACT #3: There is no provision of any piece of legislation that would promote euthanasia of any kind.
The rumors out there are flat out lies. Right now Medicare does not cover counseling for end-of-life care. The portion of the bill in question would simply provide coverage for optional end-of-life consultations with doctors, so that the patient can be aware of all of the treatment options on the table. It is not mandatory and it has nothing to do with euthanasia.3
FACT #4: We have not endorsed President Obama's plan.
In fact, we haven't endorsed any plan. We are supporting reform of our health care system, something that AARP has pushed for many years. We're working closely with Republican and Democratic members of Congress to lower health care costs and to ensure quality affordable coverage for older Americans – and we want reform legislation passed and signed by the president this year.4
So what is AARP fighting for in health reform?
Stopping insurance companies from charging older Americans unaffordable premiums because of their age.
Ending the practice of excluding people from insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
Holding down health costs and making insurance coverage more affordable for all Americans.
Making prescription drugs more affordable by narrowing the Medicare doughnut hole, bringing generics to market faster, and allowing Medicare to negotiate better drug prices.
Find out more and take action at HealthActionNow.org.
Thanks,
Captain
is guest hosting This Week. Blah.
On FnS, Kent Conrad says the votes are not there and have "never" been there for "the public option", and says pursuing it is "wasted effort".
Sun, 08/16/2009 - 06:09 — Mugsy
On FnS, Kent Conrad says the votes are not there and have "never" been there for "the public option", and says pursuing it is "wasted effort".
If there's no votes there, it's because there is no--or not enough--money to buy 'em.
Wallace uses RNC numbers stating Obama's reform will cost "$760Billion by 2025" to argue that Obama is wrong to say "it won't increase the deficit".
How does Mike Wallace's son know? By 2025 $760 Bill will be nothing. Just like Reagan's $1,000,000,000 seems like chicken feed now.
Aguing that "$760B is not a lot of money" is a poor argument. The correct response is that it is dead wrong.
Healthcare reform has the potential the SAVE taxpayers $3-$4 Trillion over ten years ($350B a year) while covering *everybody*.
You are absolutely correct.
Conrad says the "End of Life Consultation" section of the reform bill (the "Death panel" clause) will NOT be in the final bill.
Minutes earlier, the AMA rep explained how important it was to have this funded.
Addendum: Conrad recalls how helpful having "end of life counseling was to his own famility", but still rejects funding on the grounds "it would be mandatory" (it's not. Even Wallace points that out.)
needs to just answer the damn questions.
do they have that lying C**ksucker Dick Armey who distributed most of the lies about health reform. Press the meat should have his balls in a vise.
Of Maddow. She's eating his lunch.
Excuse me, Dr. Coburn:.....deacon of C-Street, best bud of Jeebus, counselor to adulterers and hypocrites, thinks doctors who perform abortions should be prosecuted and receive the death penalty, and thinks the lesbians are taking over Oklahoma jr. high schools!!
I'm sure Rachel is having a blast!
The entire FnS "Power Panel" (no Moderates this week) all agree (shocker) that the Town Hall protests are "working" and that "Democrats on the Hill are telling them that the public option is all but dead."
East coast comments from another blog say Rachel is kicking ass. Have to work this morning. Hope to see it here when I get home.
Rachel came armed with facts and quotes. Armey came armed with loud talk and a spork.
if they want a real debate, don't they don't have experts in the medical field instead of these asshats?
answered your own question. LOL.
No surprise, the FnS lead panelist (Sammon?) defends Vick as having "paid his debt to society".
I stopped listening to Ed Schultz's radio show the day Max Bacus said "the public option was off the table", and Ed chose instead to spend the show defending Vick, saying "there was no more important topic" that day, even citing Bacus.
Bye-bye Ed.
Krauthammer and Cici Connaly (surpringly) agree "playing football for millions is a privlidge, not a right" that Vick lost. Never thought I'd agree with those two.
And you think I'm stupid enough to fall down on my knees and thank you for "watching for me".
Not sure what brought that on, but please explain WTF you're doing visting a website called "Crooks & Liars" on a Sunday morning if you aren't interested in knowing what they're saying?
Margaret is always a little ornery on Sunday mornings. Saturday nights must be fun for her.
How often are you falling down to your knees?
Being a dude I pray it's not for genuflecting.
But Rachel was right in there, refuting lies with liberal facts.
My wife got sick of me using the eff word every time Dickhead opened his mouth so I turned the set off.
I loved the way Coburn tried to justify the NH asshole trying to look like a real gunslinger. He claimed the "gummint" has lost the trust of the people so threatening violence is okay.
I'm thinking that bastard should have been arrested for threatening the President, dropped to the pavement, had his weapon confiscated and his face ground into the blacktop while they cuffed him.
Besides, ten minutes in I knew it was just going to be SSDD. Maddow tried to correct Dickhead (she shouldn't have interrupted) about MoveOn's ad and was told to wait her turn. Coburn interrupted Maddow (he shouldn't have interrupted) and was permitted to continue taking up most of the time allotted for her.
Gregory made a couple of lame attempts to get the Republicanistas off their talking points and get them to actually answer a question or comment on a point, then gave up.
People deferred to Coburn as though his God Degree made him an expert on health insurance. I know ten doctors within a five mile range of my home who think universal single payer will be better because one office assistant can submit all claims using a single website and they'll know no one is going to get dumped in mid-treatment.
Coburn and Frank Burns of MASH fame are from the same mold. It's all about money - theirs.
I couldn't stop looking at Coburn's hair. He looked like he had it done at a dog groomer. All he needed was a little red bow in the middle.
When an insurance company drops you because you have cancer, that is a death panel.
Rachel will wipe the floor with these ignorant goons! As for faux news, I've noticed that the people who watch that noise don't seem too sharp! It must be required that you suspend all common sense and intellect, and instead, watch faux news. Thank goodness we out number these inbreds and morons as the 2008 election proved. The GOP base is down to people who are too stupid to deny that they are Republican. Think about that. The loons screaming about wanting their country back are actually longing for the days when the Republicans were running things. And look how well that turned out! These losers need to deal with the fact that their party is as dead as Ronal Regan and will stay that way!
On MtP, when asked about his comment that "the Democrats plan will kill seniors", Corburn staunchly defending his comment.
Gregory: "Do you believe that?"
Coburn: "Absolutely!"
Coburn got away with saying a lot of shit that was just that, shit.
that's because he actually is "full of it", therefore, nothing else could possibly emanate from his countenance!
Armey keeps bringing up, "MoveOn ads compared Bush to Hitler". Rachel protested, but never got to answer.
MoveOn never created those ads. I posted all three to YouTube when I uploaded the entire "BushIn30Seconds" archive last year, and those ads were pulled from the contest almost immediately.
Compare that to the *sponsored* Obama/Hitler ads.
That has me screaming at my teevee when he kept saying that about MoveOn. I, like you, know the story on the ads they never ran.
Armey made references to things but had no facts to back up what he said. His only defense was to laugh at Rachel and lie.
states the obvious to those that know what is going to happen.
Bipartisanship at it's finest. Now both parties are agreeing on almost everything. Soon the insurance bailout plan will be complete.
people cannot see beyond a corporate manufactured reality.
I would like to slap that Cheney smirk off Armey's big face.
unfortunately, we don't do that anymore...
is going to be the new blast talking point if we go to government sponsored co-ops, I think Rach caught that coming from Armey
FAnny Mae was fine until they bought mortgages from the unregulated martgage market. Before that it was fine. Besides the corruption of course. But with a heavy hand, meaning regulation and oversight by real fiscal conservaTIVES, THEY WOULD BE FINE. gOD DAMN cAPS lOCK BUTTON)
but the public perception is synonymous with Government-run failure, you will not finesse what you just said into the dialogue, the meatheads will never pick it up. Anyway, just be looking for it.
Rachel on with DancesWithWarCriminals. ArmyOfDicks is sitting right next to her and won't even look her in the eye when she's talking to him/it. Uppity Damn Liberal Lesbos. Poor Dick!
Several times since he's taken over as the moderator for MTP, I've been interested in watching the panels. Basically, he goes to the conservatives about 80% of the time and the "liberals" (rarely are they liberal and not just moderate Democrats being called "liberal") 20% of the time. Not that Tim Russert was much better, but I would say he was a little bit more fair.
How about this for a panel (and let's just get David out of the way):
- Ed Schultz
- Newt Gingrich
- Howard Dean
- Chuck Grassley
Let's see Gregory try to keep the liberal side of the panel down then.
NO, you would have to exchange Maddow for Schultz. Schultz is OK but he does not have the off the cuff brain power that Maddow has and Dean has. Maddow has shown to be just about the best interviewer and fact checker on the fly in the business. If she could take over Gregory's job MTP would be the best show on Sunday by FAR!!
I watched her today, she could have been louder. Dick Armey was allowed to go over her so much with help from Gregory. I agree, she's A LOT smarter and better than Schultz over all as far as making good points, but I think Ed is louder than these guys and it'd be nice to see them get a taste of their own medicine for a change.
Rachel does interviews well, but Ed is better at the debate game when it comes to playing by the conservative rules... which Gregory seems to fine playing by.
"Public Option" would EVER get through the Congress, whose members are indebted to the Health Insurance Parasites to the tune of millions of dollars in campaign contributions and other 'favors.'
And I do not know why anybody ever thought it would end differently...
it's all nothing more than a mass distraction, to make the millions forget they have lost their jobs, many permanently, and have no chance in hell of making their mortgage payments. But hey, trade in your clunker for a new clunker that you cannot afford. No, no, don't look at the massive bailouts we've been tossing around with absolutely no regulations or transparency. But we promise we're gonna reform health insurance immediately, because at the end of the day, it's all you unemployed slobs will have left, even though you still can't afford it............sigh...Sundays...blech.
Sigh... ConcernedCanuck... blech
We need a little more optimism around here.
while the banksters (Government Sachs, et al) continue to find ways to steal more and more money.
Whose been paying attention to what's been going on in the financial
debacle?? What the Fed's been doing? How the economy isn't really 'recovering'?
By the time everyone wakes up from the healthcare hangover - we'll find we're still getting screwed by the folks who control the cash - and by then we'll be in the midst of the Swine flu pandemic! Talk about distraction!
On TW, Hatch is still quoting the discredited "Lewen Group".
but I have to give kudos to Fox for having the heads of AARP and the AMA on with a couple of asshats.
Ok, it's time for the C+L crew to go to work and get a few examples of what Maddow did in relation to Armey and Colburn and Gregory up on this site. Remember that people in power watch this site.
Jake Tapper called out Hatch on his hypocrisy of supporting "end-of-life counseling" in 2003, and pointed out "The Lewin Group is owned by United Healthcare".
Did Hatch produce anything to prove that the president will set up some sort of panel to decide who gets treatment?
Where Hatch said a government panel (IMAC) would decide, Tapper pointed out it is "only an advisory board", not a decision making board.
Didn't see it myself but teh Yahoo News is reporting that Sibelius said the president doesn't need a "public option" and would support non-profit co-opts (whatever the hell those are).
Yippee!!
OK it continues to be time to let these folks know that we seem to have given in to no single payer but we will not give up The Public Option! They are pulling back on that now and I tell you right now that if there is no public option I will not vote for Obama again. I wont vote for a Republican either. I, like a lot of the people who put Obama into office WILL NOT VOTE AT ALL! What is the point? It won't matter if a Republican is in office or not. We get the same thing in the end. So the Republicans are correct that if they stall this thing and it does not come out the way we demand then they will win. It is on Obama and the Democrats to do the correct thing for the future.
I need a T-shirt that says, "It's not Reform without a Public Option."
but I think Obama is doing everything he can. Put tthe blame where it belong, the senate.
Ron I understand that. And I agree. But Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party. He has to let them know that no public option is unacceptable. I would rather he sign nothing than take the public option off the table. And I would vote for him under those conditions. I know there are games being played right now. I realize that the goal right now is to get something out of the House and the Senate so that they can "reconcile" it. My point is that they have to know NOW that when the president signs something in the end it better contain a public option. It is better that they know it before it gets to his desk and it is too late. They are floating this "no public option" right now to see what the reaction is and we have to let them know in no uncertain terms what the price will be. I am saying that my price will be no vote for Obama in the next election. I think others should shout from the rooftops what their price will be. If we give into them they will screw us. The evidence is how they took the single payer off the table with no apparent penalty.
The democrats are gutless when it is time to do the right thing (repubs aren't much better). The 'bluedogs' party, club, and buffet their way.......maybe- toward a solution, and it doesn't really matter to them if health care is equitable (the longer the debate goes on the less important it is).
"The evidence is how they took the single payer off the table with no apparent penalty" is exactly correct!
...running the world from her Facebook page."
More like ruining the world from her facebook page.
Armey and Coburn spent the entire show lying through their teeth. It might be time to just get the rope.
I don't know how vulnerable they are come election time but their words will be used against EVERY god damn Republican that will be running in the next election and for elections after that.
I'm with Captain Kangaroo! If there is no public option, I won't vote for Obama or any Democrat! I'm certainly not going to vote Republican. I'll just stay home. I'm also going to call my Senators and Congressmen and let them know this as well! No public option, is not an option! I like the sound of that! Think I'll post this on Bob Cesca's blog!
I have only missed one election my entire adult life so I'm not about to start "not voting" now. I think the better plan is to stay registered as a Democrat to give any progressive candidates a boost in the primairies, but vote Green when the inevitable Blue Dog gets installed in the Democratic slot. That'll help getting a semi-viable third party enough votes to start getting matching funds, while not enabling the turncoat Democrats that are being foisted on us.
Good! The point is to let them know there will be a penalty if the screw us and no public option is screwing us.
I care not one whit for the sobriquet william "the bloody."
That makes him sound like a brave, fierce warrior a'la Voivode Vladislaus Tepes, or Viggo the Carpathian.
Instead he's like a twerp at a pending schoolyard fight, that because the belligerents are hesitating, will push one from behind toward the other to get the fight going, and then duck back behind the crowd so he won't get an owwie.
I forgot to note Hatch's vigorous defense of the future of insurance companies when debating Specter.
Kinda shows where his true loyalties lie, dont'cha think?
If the dems cave into the repugs/ins co.s demands, as it appears they are, then there is no hope left for America. We know the republican party stands against the American people but if the democrats line up with them against us then what is left?
Canada is going to get awfuly populated by people just sick of the way the American government is fighting to keep them sick.
In case any of youse guyz are interested, I put up a couple of comments on a thread that's all but dead: Paul Krugman: These People are Unappeasable.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the White House would be open to co-ops instead of a government-run public option, a sign Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the must-win showdown.
Are we going to allow this to happen? Are we going to let them drop public option? Why don't we organize a movement to refuse to pay our health insurance premiums across the nation if they dare to do this. Just quit paying the enemy.
In November, everyone has the "OPTION" to choose their coverage for the next year. That is because insurance "contracts" run for 12 month terms ONLY. This limits the ability to sue the insurance companies for dropping you. They only can be held liable for the term of their contract, which is NEVER OVER A YEAR.
So why don't we refuse to opt in? Just quit. Tell our employers we no longer want their private insurance. When the premiums stop coming into the insurance companies, they will go broke, just like us.
SO WHY CAN'T THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO THIS? WHY DON'T WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO COALESCE and do this? Is it because we are divided and too spread out? Or that we are so fricking selfish that we are not going to make a sacrifice to have what we want?
That DROPPING PUBLIC OPTION IS A LOSE. It is not a win.
If they CAVE IN to the republicans again, (note: AGAIN),
it will NOT be seen as a win.
There will be primaries everywhere. We will challenge anyone who kills our hope AGAIN.
Right on Yellowbird. Read my comments above.
Sorry! Like the electon, the public option or the lack there of will not be rewarded with my vote. The idea is to punish the party for caving with such a huge majority in the Senate and House. The whole "We'll get um next time crap" will not work with me. If the Dems are determined to put Republicans back in power by their duplicity, I'm going to help them by staying home and watching...not participating in putting another Dem who'll claim he's loyal until he's purchased by the insurance companies. Thanks but, I'll have had my fill at that point. It's now or never!
A counterpoint to the claim by Dick army saying National Medical Care is a "takeover" of a large part of the government, you can answer with a gigantic unnecessary expansion of our government and an obvious "takeover" called HOMELAND SECURITY.
Citizens on both sides of the issues think it's time to end the Patriot act and end the Department of Homeland Security.
The ONLY people who seem to think this police state apparatus is necessary are those are so RICH they have grown paranoid in their gated world.
Republicans spend trillions on wars, on police apparatus, on refunding absconded funds in banks, home loan companies, etc. Never an arguement or even an audit. But if the PEOPLE need something, OH WELL IT'S WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!!!
I ASK THIS: WHAT do the people have in this nation? WHAT does this government do for the people to promote the general welfare?
As far as I can see, NOTHING. States and local cities pay to educate the youth. The fed gives us NOTHING but FEAR and WAR.
What kind of barter is it when you originally start with the people demanding HR676, NATIONALIZED MEDICINE, and after being pounded on for 4 years, SOMEONE (I don't know who) "makes a deal" and "takes nationalized medicine" off the table IN RETURN FOR PUBLIC OPTION.
We agreed to the PUBLIC OPTION PROMISE and from there to here, we get whittled down to a "nicer version of for profit insurance" instead of PUBLIC OPTION.
Who is doing the bargain out there? WHO is screwing this up? Is it the President? WHY WON'T HE COME OUT AND SAY HE WON'T SIGN A BILL THAT DOES NOT HAVE PUBLIC OPTION IN IT BECAUSE HE PROMISED THE PEOPLE?
WHY WON'T HE SAY THAT? Why don't we demand that he say that?
DEMAND HE SAY IT.
HE WON'T SIGN A BILL UNLESS IT CONTAINS PUBLIC OPTION.
I live alone, but was screaming at the TEE VEE machine all throughout the hour. David Gregory should be shot. I love Rachel Maddow, and all progressives should have that tattooed on their foreheads. The woman is a mensch. But you didn't miss much by not watching the entire show of Meet the Press today--unless you wanted your blood pressure to shoot up 30 points like mine did. That weasel David Gregory virtually ignored her the entire hour, only calling on her a couple of times, and allowed that red-faced, bloated pig Dick Armey and the clueless Sen. Coburn to talk over her and shout her down in a blatent display of sexism. He called on the men on the panel approximately 5-1 to Rachel, and spent more time with Coburn and Armey than Daschle. I fired off a scorching e-mail to MTP, which I'm sure will be ignored, but at least I got it off my chest. I am flummoxed as to why Dick Armey continues to appear on news shows--he is a liar and an idiot. His FreedomWorks organization clearly organized and egged on the angry mobs that are now appearing at a town hall near you--It's difficult to understand how he can deny it when they sent letters around to conservatives to yell, scream, disrupt, rattle and not allow representatives to speak. He's a lying weasel. MTP is off my viewing radar...Gregory is a corporate Republican tool.
by the Powers That Be to have Maddow on. Draws ratings and would likely make Gregory reflexively dismissive do to his viewing her as competition.
Instead, I'm now watching the surprisingly good "Drain the Ocean" on National Geographic channel. So far, I've learned that there are corals that grow in deep sea, cold water conditions, and that mapping the ocean floor, with series of sonar sweeps from boats on the surface is called "mowing the lawn."
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