Al Gore: “I believe in recycling,” but McCain recycling Bush policy “is ridiculous.”
By Nicole Belle Thursday Aug 28, 2008 8:45am
All I could think as I watched Al Gore speak was "We wuz robbed." Can you imagine what it would be like now having President Gore passing the torch to Obama? The mind reels.
Eight years ago, some said there was not much difference between the nominees of the two major parties and it didn't really matter who became President.
Our nation was enjoying peace and prosperity. Some assumed we would continue both no matter the outcome. But here we all are in 2008, and I doubt anyone would argue now that election didn't matter.
Take it from me, if it had ended differently, we would not be bogged down in Iraq, we would have pursued Bin Laden until we captured him.
We would not be facing a self-inflicted economic crisis, we would be fighting for middle income families.
We would not be showing contempt for the Constitution, we'd be protecting the rights of every American regardless of race, religion, disability, gender or sexual orientation.
And we would not be denying the climate crisis, we'd be solving it.
Today, we face essentially the same choice we faced in 2000, though it may be even more obvious now - because John McCain, a man who has earned our respect on many levels, is now openly endorsing the policies of the Bush-Cheney White House and promising to actually continue them, the same policies all over again?
Hey, I believe in recycling, but that's ridiculous.
Transcripts below the fold
One of the greatest gifts of our democracy is the opportunity it offers us every four years to change course.
It's not a guarantee - it's only an opportunity.
The question facing us is, simply put, will we seize this opportunity for change?
That's why I came here tonight: to tell you why I feel so strongly that we must seize this opportunity to elect Barack Obama President of the United States.
Eight years ago, some said there was not much difference between the nominees of the two major parties and it didn't really matter who became President.
Our nation was enjoying peace and prosperity. Some assumed we would continue both no matter the outcome. But here we all are in 2008, and I doubt anyone would argue now that election didn't matter.
Take it from me, if it had ended differently, we would not be bogged down in Iraq, we would have pursued Bin Laden until we captured him.
We would not be facing a self-inflicted economic crisis, we would be fighting for middle income families.
We would not be showing contempt for the Constitution, we'd be protecting the rights of every American regardless of race, religion, disability, gender or sexual orientation.
And we would not be denying the climate crisis, we'd be solving it.
Today, we face essentially the same choice we faced in 2000, though it may be even more obvious now - because John McCain, a man who has earned our respect on many levels, is now openly endorsing the policies of the Bush-Cheney White House and promising to actually continue them, the same policies all over again?
Hey, I believe in recycling, but that's ridiculous.
With John McCain's support, President Bush and Vice President Cheney have led our nation into one calamity after another because of their indifference to fact; their readiness to sacrifice the long-term to the short-term, subordinate the general good to the benefit of the few, and short-circuit the rule of law.
If you like the Bush/Cheney approach, John McCain's your man. If you want change, then vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Barack Obama is telling us exactly what he will do: launch a bold new economic plan to restore America's greatness. Fight for smarter government that trusts the market, but protects us against its excesses. Enact policies that are pro-choice, pro-education, and pro-family. Establish a foreign policy that is smart as well as strong. Provide health care for all and solutions for the climate crisis.
So why is this election so close?
Well, I know something about close elections, so let me offer you my opinion.
I believe this election is close today mainly because the forces of the status quo are desperately afraid of the change Barack Obama represents.
There is no better example than the climate crisis. As I have said for many years throughout this land, we're borrowing money from China to buy oil from the Persian Gulf to burn it in ways that destroy the future of human civilization. Every bit of that has to change.
Oil company profits have soared to record levels, gasoline prices have gone through the roof and we are more dependent than ever on dirty and dangerous fossil fuels. Many scientists predict that the entire North Polar ice cap may be completely gone during summer months in the first term of the next President. Sea levels are rising, fires are raging, storms are stronger. Military experts warn us our national security is threatened by massive waves of climate refugees destabilizing countries around the world, and scientists tell us the very web of life is endangered by unprecedented extinctions.
We are facing a planetary emergency which, if not solved, would exceed anything we've ever experienced in the history of humankind.
In spite of John McCain's past record of open mindedness on the climate crisis, he has apparently now allowed his party to browbeat him into abandoning his support of mandatory caps on global warming pollution.
And it just so happens that the climate crisis is intertwined with the other two great challenges facing our nation: reviving our economy and strengthening our national security. The solutions to all three require us to end our dependence on carbon-based fuels.
Instead of letting lobbyists and polluters control our destiny, we need to invest in American innovation. Almost a hundred years ago, Thomas Edison said, "I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
We already have everything we need to use the sun, the wind, geothermal power, conservation and efficiency to solve the climate crisis - everything, that is, except a president who inspires us to believe, "Yes we can."
So how did this no-brainer become a brain-twister?
Because the carbon fuels industry - big oil and coal - have a 50-year lease on the Republican Party and they are drilling it for everything it's worth. And this same industry has spent a half a billion dollars this year alone trying to convince the public they are actually solving the problem when they are in fact making it worse every single day.
This administration and the special interests who control it lock, stock, and barrel after barrel, have performed this same sleight-of-hand on issue after issue. Some of the best marketers have the worst products; and this is certainly true of today's Republican party.
The party itself has on its rolls men and women of great quality. But the last eight years demonstrate that the special interests who have come to control the Republican Party are so powerful that serving them and serving the national well-being are now irreconcilable choices.
So what can we do about it?
We can carry Barack Obama's message of hope and change to every family in America. And pledge that we will be there for Barack Obama - not only in the heat of this election, but in the aftermath as we put his agenda to work for our country.
We can tell Republicans and Independents, as well as Democrats, why our nation needs a change from the approach of Bush, Cheney and McCain.
After they wrecked our economy, it is time for a change.
After they abandoned the search for the terrorists who attacked us and redeployed the troops to invade a nation that did not attack us, it's time for a change.
After they abandoned the American principle first laid down by General George Washington when he prohibited the torture of captives because it would bring, in his words, "shame, disgrace and ruin" to our nation, it's time for a change.
When as many as three Supreme Court justices could be appointed in the first term of the next president, and John McCain promises to appoint more Scalias and Thomases and end a woman's right to choose, it's time for a change.
Many people have been waiting for some sign that our country is ready for such change. How will we know when it's beginning to take hold? I think we might recognize it as a sign of such change if we saw millions of young people getting involved for the first time in the political process.
This election is actually not close at all among younger voters - you are responding in unprecedented numbers to Barack Obama's message of change and hope. You recognize that he represents a clean break from the politics of partisanship and bitter division. You understand that the politics of the past are exhausted and you're tired of appeals based on fear. You know that America is capable of better than what you have seen in recent years. You are hungry for a new politics based on bipartisan respect for the ageless principles embodied in the United States Constitution.
There are times in the history of our nation when our very way of life depends upon awakening to the challenge of a present danger, shaking off complacency to rise, clear-eyed and alert, to the necessity of embracing change.
A century and a half ago, when America faced our greatest trial, the end of one era gave way to the birth of another. The candidate who emerged victorious in that election is now regarded by most historians as our greatest president.
Before he entered the White House, Abraham Lincoln's experience in elective office consisted of eight years in his state legislature in Springfield, Illinois and one term in Congress - during which he showed the courage and wisdom to oppose the invasion of another country that was popular when it started but later condemned by history.
The experience Lincoln's supporters valued most in that race was his powerful ability to inspire hope in the future at a time of impasse. He was known chiefly as a clear thinker and a great orator with a passion for justice and a determination to heal the deep divisions of our land. He insisted on reaching past partisan and regional divides to exalt our common humanity.
In 2008, once again, we find ourselves at the end of an era with a mandate from history to launch another new beginning. And once again, we have a candidate whose experience perfectly matches an extraordinary moment of transition.
Barack Obama had the experience and wisdom to oppose a popular war based on faulty premises. His leadership experience has given him a unique capacity to inspire hope in the promise of the American dream of a boundless future.
His experience has also given him genuine respect for different views and humility in the face of complex realities that cannot be squeezed into the narrow compartments of ideology. His experience has taught him something that career politicians often overlook: that inconvenient truths must be acknowledged if we are to have wise governance.
The extraordinary strength of his personal character - and that of his wonderful wife, Michelle - are grounded in the strengths of the American community. His vision and his voice represent the best of America. His life experience embodies the essence of our motto -- e pluribus unum -- out of many, one.
That is the linking identity at the other end of all the hyphens that pervade our modern political culture. It is that common American identity - which Barack Obama exemplifies, heart and soul -- that enables us as Americans to speak with moral authority to all of the peoples of the world to inspire hope that we as human beings can transcend our limitations to redeem the promise of human freedom.
Late this evening, our convention will end with a benediction. As we bow in reverence, remember the words of the old proverb: "when you pray, move your feet."
Then let us leave here tonight and take the message of hope from Denver to every corner of our land and do everything we can to serve our nation, our world -- and most importantly, our children and their future -- by electing Barack Obama President of the United States.
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Yep, "We don't need another Four of the Last Eight."
I can't help but think that had president Gore been elected we'd now be trying to dig the dems out from whatever scandal or impeachment proceedings the reslug slime machine managed to dredge up. No matter how positive his presidency. They'd find a way.
But they didn't have to do that because they just stole the entire election outright.
Which is what I expect this time around as well. I mean I'm hoping not. But these are reslugs we're talking about and the machinery for the crime is already well in place and they've done it twice before.
He would be passing the torch to Lieberman.
The only problem with having Gore would have been having Joe (turncoat) Liberman.
Joe @ 3:
Don't blame Gore because Lieberman is a fucking liar and traitor....idiot.
Left&Left @ 5:
All he said is that he'd be passing the torch to lie-berman. I don't think he is blaming Gore for lie-berman's behavior.
I think if Gore had been elected he would have ditched Joe when he ran for his second term. And yes, we wuz robbed. We wuz robbed of so many things these last eight years. I just hope the robber hasn't fenced all the loot and that President Obama can find most of it and return it to its proper owners.
Nada @ 6:
Bullshit. What else could he be insinuating?
We'd probably be trying to extricate ourselves from an invasion of South America (I'd guess Bolivia and Peru but maybe Venezuela) where the Gore family has oil interests.
I couldn't help but wonder last night, if any other candidate had won the nomination, would Gore have come there to speak?
Uncle Bruno @ 9:
I'll bet you can't provide a qualified (not fox or rush) link for that garbage
And oh yeah,9-11 would be just another day.
Even Tweety said that if Gore acted like he did last night instead of the way he acted during his campaign he probably would have won. The same with Kerry. I've never seen Tweety as he has been in the last three days. Every day he is more and more extreme in his words. Pro Obama words. Maybe Olbermann is rubbing off on him.
We bounced back from Pearl Harbor. We bounced back from 911. I remains to be seen if we can ever bounce back from the greatest disaster this nation has ever faced, the presidency of George W. Bush.
I think I now know what a religious experience can be...we as progressives may be on the verge of long awaited answered prayers.
Nice of Gore to show up.
Obviously, Barrack held his own and more without Al's help or advise or support.
But...but...but...the poor multinational corporations, Blackwater, defense contractors... they'd all be billions of dollars poorer!!! Dammit, Gore, don't you have any compassion!!!
Oh please. Al Gore handed Bush the presidency "for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy."
And last night I realized why no one likes him. He's Principal Skinner.
Pu-leeeze, people. The FACT is that Gore is alive today because he "lost". Lie-berman was the neocon plan B. Had Gore "won" (ie not been robbed), he would NOT have lived long. Lie-berman HAD TO BECOME prez...so as to execute the nazi/neocon plans.
If Gore has won we probably would all have solar panels on our homes and we would all be driving at least hybrid cars. Hummer's probably would have never been on the market. Our soldiers most likely wouldn't be in two wars because when President Gore got the warning that UBL wanted to attack, he would have taken action to try to prevent it instead of telling the messenger, "All right, you've covered you ass now".
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 11:
Still searching Teh Internets UB?
pissed off patricia @ 10:
FOR BIDEN? YES.
Palin Is McCain's VP Pick?
Heavy speculation and rumor McIdiot is going to choose a "her".
Of course you know the neocons are not going to choose a women VIP because of substance. It's just going to be another despicable con "game play" to try to beat Obama.
We have 67 Days to send these f_ _ _ _ _s packing.
John McCain turns 72 years old today. YECH!
William The Bloody praises the Obama speech while "Juan The Bootlicker" goes the Rove route.
BaScOmBe hearts Rachel Maddow hates MSM @ 24:
Hard to believe someone could actually last that many centuries ......................
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 21:
I love the way these guys guys walk into the kitchen and shit in the middle of the floor and then leave because they know they did it.
Nada @ 2:
Yep.
Think about the 90 or so US Attorneys who were NOT fired for partisan shenanigans. What did they have to do to KEEP their jobs?
30 states still have not reverted to independently countable ballots.
Djhugasvili (his Georgian name) is supposed to have said, he didn't care who voted; he cared who counted the ballots...
Terrific speech by the Vice President last nite.
MAJOR league asshatdom on Morning Joe this morning...Peggy "I wish I could fellate the dead corpse of Ronald Reagan" Noonan was giving her expert opinion on Obama's speech.
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BaScOmBe hearts Rachel Maddow hates MSM @ 24:
The unpleasant side effect-blow back-consequneces of "life extension medical technology".
Was it Helms who had to be wheeled into congress everyday to work in his 90's? I can't remember.
Yes, McCain supported shrub's foreign policy (i.e., shrub's use of American military power to kill many innocents and otherwise do great damage).
But McCain had lots of company on the D side.
I don't expect a whole lot of change in U.S. foreign policy no matter who's elected.
Ruthless People @ 14:
The difference between those events you site and the current predicament is/was that our enemies never inhabited our infdrastructure, the way the Busheviki have. If "we" bounce back at all (and I'm not particularly sanguine ab out the prospects), it will take 30 years, because tha's how long it will take to flush the "Goodlings" (illegitimate career hires) out of the Govt, where they are poised like terror cells to upset, undo, and frustrate any efforts to reverse the Bushevik damages...
terilyn @ 30:
Point out one sentence to me in Obama's speech last night where he suggested a Government Welfare state.
I heard a call to responsibility.
Say what you will, I thought Gore's speech was brilliant, probably the best I have ever heard him give. Too bad it was just part of the warm up for the headliner, because it deserved America's attention on its own.
Our nation was enjoying peace and prosperity. Some assumed we would continue both no matter the outcome. But here we all are in 2008, and I doubt anyone would argue now that election didn’t matter.
Interesting that he said that. I've said since 1998 that George Bush in the White House would be the end of economic prosperity and disasterous to our place in the world. Any republican in the White House would have been almost as bad but considering W's resume, what were we to expect? I hated to be right but it seems as if I've been vindicated. Anybody that didn't see a disaster in the making with a Bush presidency was naive. My apologies to those who believed otherwise. Bill Clinton's presidency was so successful in spite of all of his foibles, Newt and the GOP Congress. There was no way the GOP would have maintained that; it wasn't in their best interests. We, the American public, have to be made afraid of anything not GOP. I will not go gently into that good night Mr. Bush, Mr. McCain!
I am not afraid of the future as you two are. I will not live in fear because you tell me to! Got it!
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 27:
Nail on the head Bob!!
GOP considers delaying convention due to Gustav.
"And if I had not been a self-righteous jackass with a tragic sense of entitlement for the presidency that led me to blissfully ignore the threat of Duh-bya's candidacy, I could've been legitimately elected and we would not be in the colossal goatfuck he and Cheney pulled us into that will transcend the next 3 generations..."
Sam are I @ 38:
The Party That Wrecked America gets what it deserves.
terilyn @ 30:
Terilyn (female?) will you feel the same way when the true fascist Conservative Party of America (also known as the Grand Old Perverts, or GOP) institutes the Federal InterUterine Police to randomly inspect women's reproductive organs to make damn good and sure they haven't done anything unapproved?
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Sam are I @ 38:
It's in Minnesota for crap sake. The storm is going for the Gulf. Is their geography so bad they think it will bother Minnesota?
I think they are just looking for time, stretch things out a bit, II mean, how will the bumbling old mccain look and sound after hearing such a great and momentous speech by Obama? Like some old guy in the cafeteria going off about his last operation? Showing a few scars?
Pathetic.
Nada @ 2:
If Obama overcomes the Rovian personality war and Diebold paperless evoting machines and wins I have no doubt the rightwing will immediately begin wondering what they can do to bring him down. Every step he takes will be scrutinized and criticized. I predict impeachment (based on a created scandal) before the end of his term.
terilyn @ 30:
I want a government that works for its people not for the big money interests. Less government? like what, a dictatorship, a fiefdom, a kingdom like the United Kingdom? Smaller how? Less government, How? Who takes care of the business of running the government? who takes care of roads? who responds to Hurricane Katrina's? who responds when foreign governments prop up terrorist organizations that have attacked us? Who develops standards to keep our children safe when they play with toys made in foreign countries? The government that's who. Explain how less government is better than government run for the people by the people of the people! Please....
Meme-Watch: "Goodlings"
A generic name for a federal job-holders who acquired their career position on the basis of illegally partisan hiring practices by neo-con operatives.
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terilyn @ 48:
you jest?
For people who have no health insurance and no money for medical care, I doubt they care who is running the show when they need immediate and lifesaving medical attention.
terilyn @ 43:
Like government-sponsored hiways, sweetie?
Government-sponsored space research?
Government-sponsored armies, navies, etc.
You are without doubt the dumbest bint to post here in a hundred years. Scarf your excrement and expire...
theWalrus @ 45:
The GOP smear-machine will be working overtime. Rather than contribute, they will pick away at Pres. Obama. After all, what else will they be able to do?
Nada @ 2:
Yeah, I fully expect the Rove machine will push out the infanticide charge, the not really an American-born citizen charge, and the Bill Ayers charges out of the UIC....and some yet to be named hit pieces. Because he might pick Palin, another pro-lifer, God will come out of the heavens and raise McCain's mighty flock to say, "No, you can't" take away the imperial reign of George W. Bush and the repug party.
Wikipedia is now saying that the CNBC news service is reporting that Palin will indeed be the VP pick.
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Sam are I @ 38:
GOP considers delaying convention due to Gustav
And the RWers criticized the Dem Convention look? What are they setting up in Minneapolis with the red-on-red color scheme and the raging elephants? It looks like the third circle of hell.
terilyn @ 30:
Liar.
terilyn @ 42:
Having served in the army, practiced law, and otherwise dealt with government and government agencies, I'll admit to being not a big fan of government action or inaction. For the most part, I've observed, government is inefficient, bloated, corrupt.
I think you'd do better, however, to focus on how large corporations have seized control of both parties and the U.S. government and the consequent dangers to liberty, humankind, the planet.
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Now they are saying Palin is the pick.
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pissed off patricia @ 50:
One of the big reasons my wife and I live over here. My wife was once "misdiagnosed" with a thyroid problem. From then on they wouldn't insure her. We were willing to pay $350 per month for her insurance, but they still wouldn't
Over here we bought Blue Cross/Blue Shild and pay around $32 per month, for FULL coverage. The health care here is great, ggood hospitals, good doctors (trained in the US and China) it includes eye and dental.
Breaking McLame picks an obscure female governer for VP, McLame is toast.
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VietVet8666 @ 57:
But, but, that's fascism.
McCain and Palin together will look like grandfather and granddaughter. I guess Biden can forget setting aside time to gear up for the veep debate. Hell, he could not even show up and win this one.
sarah palin repub vp breaking
Palin? (Who? Not the Monty Python guy..)
I really don't think so. A complete unknown, with zero experience of national-level much less international-level politics. Who's only been governor for two years? Who's major political draw apparently was her opposition to Republican corruption? (Do they _really_ want to highlight that?)
Chances are this is just an intentional leak, an attempt to boost Palin (who?) and a play for women's votes by showing how "seriously" they're considering a female candidate.
Probably because she's female (draw hillary supporters?)
She's pro life (plays to the base)
She's pretty (McCain isn't)
After that, I got nuthin'
Hey lookit...
It's not so silent Kal-El.
AP is announcing Palin as the GOP pick for VP. Governor Palin who?
What has she ever done of note? I admire her for being elected in Alaska and am sure she has faced some challenges in her term but what about her standing and/or positions in the national or international field?
What does she bring to the table Or is Sen. McCain gonna' just run the whole thing?
I don't get it; that's the best they have? What, nobody else wanted to play?
Fast punditry from the Dallas Morning News: Five reasons why Sarah Palin is a laugh-out-loud choice for VP
terilyn @ 30:
Terily, honey, you are so-o-o-o-o confused. You need to find yourself a good dictionary or encyclopedia (Ihear there are losts of them on the Internets) and learn what FASCISM actually is - then you will understand the lunacy of your comments.
In the meantime, until you see that Cheney/Bush and the neo-cons have brought us as close to fascism as I want to be, please stop posting. It makes you look seriously delusional, not to mention uninformed and maybe just a little dumb.
Great speech, but-- I want to make a small criticism. I really wish Democrats would *completely* refrain from flattering McCain. There's not need to say things like, "John McCain, a man who has earned our respect on many levels...".
Skip that part. Don't say, "I respect his service but...". Ignore it.
Sarah Palin is easy on the eyes which is nice BUT can you believe she is the one who will debate Joe Biden. Jeeeeeeeesus.
68 Alexdem Says: Palin? (Who? Not the Monty Python guy..)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C59WyX-tJD4
Palin chosen by McCain. Looks like the Republican strategy is to march her out to say that they do not discriminate and that they are a diverse group (which we all know is a croc). Also trying to steal some Hillary voters. Looks like a desperate reach here, folks. Thoughts?
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pissed off patricia @ 69:
And, I'm pretty sure she has the cajones to be one of the very best Commanders in Chief - right!!!?? How could someone as old as McCain (and his campaign advisors)
even consider someone so young and "inexperienced" to be just heartbeat away from the presidency??
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"We wuz robbed" Yes, we were robbed. Eight years ago our country decided it was alright to allow the Supreme Court to decide the outcome of this important election. It robbed our country of its future. This event would spell out a personal tragedy for thousands of families across this country whose sons and daughters died or were maimed in this war brought about by this incredibly and excrutiatingly ignorant commander in chief. This event would come to take the life of my only child in Iraq and end the bubble of existence I lived in as an American.
What is so hard to swallow is that given all we have seen in these eight years, these two candidates are neck in neck. Think of that. A man as transparently shallow, petulant and incompetent as John McCain. A man who was practically last in his graduating class still holds sway with my fellow compatriots. These are our fellow Americans who are directly responsible for having enabled the unleashing of hell on Iraq as well as the loss of our own blood and treasure, not to mention allowing the endless number of abuses that have transpired in this country and around the world IN OUR NAME.
The election of 2000 robbed me (and the rest of us) of a nobel prize winning president and ultimately robbed me of something even more precious: my son.
Morning Joe and Pat Buchannan are about to have a heart attack. One one hand they are saying it's the riskiest political decision ever made and on the other they are saying it's a gutsy move for McCain.
The old maverick went out and got himself a pretty woman. So how ready will she be on day whatever when she might have to assume the office of president of the United States?
Seriously.. a two-year governor of the third-least populated state?
So, McCain is then going to tell us Obama, who's a four-year senator of the fifth-most populated state, "isn't ready"?
Not to mention what she'd look like, experience-wise, in a head-to-head against Biden.
Can you imagine what it would be like now having President Gore passing the torch to Obama? The mind reels.
My mind always reels
Damn Celtic jigs!!!
OT: The networks are now reporting Sarah Palin as the definite VP pick.
Was she ever a POW?
Palin for VP! Now that is a VP one can have wine with!
notagainplease @ 77:
Mine are at comment number 69
Also, take a look at her own "troopergate" scandal. She already knows how to use the Suede Denim Secret Police against enemies...
terilyn @ 80:
Where is he/she wrong?
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Again, a smart rovian move. Ya think the Dems are gonna come out and attack a pretty woman? From what I've read about her, she's got a lot to attack.
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theWalrus @ 92:
Hell yeah! She's fair game now.
terilyn @ 30:
Welcome to America. You can't afford health insurance because the health care industry owns Washington. You are struggling every day because Washington has outsourced your job to the third world in order to further enrich the corporations and investors that own this country. The government is running everything on behalf of the corporations.
Wake up! The government is not paying your bills - you are paying corporate welfare. Taxes collected from you go to benefit defense contractors, oil companies, agricultural giants -- any and every company represented by lobbyists -- none of whom could give a rat's ass about YOU. How different it would be if taxes you paid were actually used for your benefit!
FYI, Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology based on nationalism. Militarism, loss of civil liberties (detention, torture and spying, to name just a few), control of mass media (in this case corporate), protection of corporate power, obsession with security and crime, fraudulent elections (2000, 2004 presidential) are clear indications that we already have a fascist state.
theWalrus @ 86:
Well, close. She's from Siberia.
Biden has got to be somewhere where he can't be seen and he's laughing his ass off.
Amitola @ 79:
It really is astonishing, huh? It's either the biggest blunder by the McCain camp or, if she was recommend by Rove, there must be something (creepy) to it.
Listening to Al Gore always reminds me that no matter how much better Obama is than McCain, he will probably loose. The majority of american voters usually seem to be completely ignorant... or retarded.
Amitola @ 79:
Desperation?
Those millions of southern sexist morons will never vote for a woman for vp. McLame wants to lose.
terilyn @ 93:
No, I wouldn't waste my money on a book written by a neocon fascist.
terilyn @ 91:
Yay!!!! Here's my lollipop! No teeth please.
80 terilyn
The term is fascist.
It's defined by such a close proximity between corporate and government interests that they blur, extreme nationalism and militarism. Kind of like all the corporate welfare, corporate tax cuts etc., boosh has been given them, the energy companies meeting with chainey in secret meetings, corporate interest groups practically writing the legislation that affects them. Then we attack and occupy a country under false pretenses, call everyone traitors, or hate America firsters who ask why we're doing it, gut the I, IV and V amendments protecting our civil rights, and then some.
"Those who would sacrifice their liberty for a little more security deserve neither."
Ben Franklin
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Amitola @ 79:
And, I'm pretty sure she has the cajones to be one of the very best Commanders in Chief - right!!!?? How could someone as old as McCain (and his campaign advisors)
even consider someone so young and "inexperienced" to be just a sputtering, exceedingly feeble heartbeat away from the presidency??
FIFY
pissed off patricia @ 66:
Or perhaps like Senator-and-mistress.. Which might not be the association you want in McCain's case..
from what I"m reading at other sites, Palin is under some sort of ethics investigation.
I wonder if he arrived in a SUV like he did at his other speech?
Sam are I @ 38:
In spite of the Christo-fascists prayers it didn't rain on the Democrat's parade.
They can't avoid God's wrath, he'll just stall the storm until the GOP convention reconvenes.
terilyn @ 30:
Are you saying that you prefer the present form of the welfare state in which corporations are given access to our tax dollars every time that they screw up? The welfare state in which the wealthiest five percent do not have to pay any taxes? Do you want to continue the current administration's policy of rewarding corporations that ship our jobs overseas?
terilyn @ 30:
I'm glad you brought that up... so why did this republican administration create a whole new vast, bloated, bureaucratic GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT known as the "DHS," especially when I thought we already had a vast, bloated bureaucratic government department known as the DEFENSE DEPARTMENT to take care of our security? If we now have a homeland security department, shouldn't we actually change the name of the defense department to the Offense Department? Might be more appropriate actually...
woody, tokin librul @ 28:
Watch out for it. With so much at stake, the Republicans will do their damnedest to steal the election.
Why have the people on this comment section started to feed the Trolls?
Guy and Gals, get a hold of yourself.
Sarah Palin for VP..Mccain's pick!!
This shit aint good my progressive friends!!
She is more conservative than Romney..(So she will please the base!!)
She is younger and more of an outsider than my man Obama (Alaska?!!?)
and She is a WOMAN!! (All the P.U.M.A's now have a place to go to stick it to the Democrats!!)
Like I said..This shit aint good my progressive friends!!
There's nothing worse than a woman scorned..and those Hillary women are pissed as hell!!
THIS SHIT IS ALL BAD MY PEOPLE!!!!!
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terilyn @ 30:
Tell that to Wall Street public firms seeking bailouts. Tell that to General Motors when the come to the government with their tin cup in their hand. Same for the airlines, private utility companies, etc etc.
It's EASY to call social programs for PEOPLE...SOCIALISM. But when so-called capitalists do it...oh...that's different.
HYPOCRITES!!
pissed off patricia @ 69:
Unfortunately, that may be all they need, along with a complicit SCUM, and the usual array of GOPuke election thievery and fraud...
terilyn @ 105:
Public health care is less expensive. Maybe if you went out and actually looked at the facts and figures you'd know that. The USA has the most expensive and least cost-effective health-care in the developed world.
Drilling for oil is not going to improve your life. If you appreciate an unspoilt environment, then not drilling will.
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nobody in particular @ 115:
I think I give the PUMAs a bit more credit. Palin is stanchly anti-abortion, and the whole Supreme Court Justice pick thing looms very, very large for anybody who gives a hoot about reproductive rights for women!
terilyn @ 116:
Are you undermining your argument? Sounds like it.
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terilyn @ 116:
Oh shut up. You're just proving you don't have a clue about what fascism is. Labor unions were BANNED in fascist countries.
Guess what, Italy and Germany have lots of unionization. They have public health care. Are you telling me you know fascism better than they do? Or are you saying they're secretly fascist?
terilyn @ 116:
XSweetie read a fuukin book! Fascism, according to the guy who invented the thing, is the union of the mortal power of the state with the financial power of the corporation. Despite its flaws and faults, I shall always prefer the interference of elected, and accountable officials to the unaccountable, arbitrary, capricious workings of the (soi-disant) "free market,' which is NEVER free, and seldom even a market in any recognizeable sense of the word.
Gore gave the convention's best speech.
"For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might have been'.”
John Greenleaf Whittier
(SIGH)
terilyn @ 120:
You've never paid federal taxes? Why do you hate America?
Sarah Barracuda
Soccer mom's, PUMA's, pro-lifers, and horny guys who like tough, smart and 'just get the job done' women.
A woman with more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined.
Change AND experience.
Well-done Senator McCain. Back to being a maverick.
Oh and terilyn, my girlfriends grandmother was a union organizer in Germany in the 30's and was sent to a concentration camp for it. So a big "Fuck you!" from her, too.
That's Liber-terilyn?
Steaming pile of crap, i call it...
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terilyn @ 30:
terilyn @ 105:
Sorry, but drill drill drill will NOT improve your life. Even if they could obtain that oil in less than five to ten years, it will go to the FREE MARKET ala FREE TRADE and be sold to the highest foreign bidder.
81 Gayle - I am so sorry about your son.
That's what hacks me off so badly about the Bushies: It's regular people, like you and your son and others, who pay the human cost for the last 8 years of Neocon insanity. There are REAL PEOPLE on the receiving end of senseless wars, trashed economies, snooping by governments, etc. It always comes down to that.
That's what I can't stand about Conservatives--they live in a dream world. Liberals aren't perfect, but at least we believe it's best to face reality and deal with it in the least harmful way.
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Additionally, we're a democratic country taking the form of a republic, not capitalist which is an economic system. True Smithian economics says that corporation are amoral, not concerned with the rightness nor wrongness of what they're doing as long as the stay within the parameters of the law, set by lawmakers. And we haven't been truely capitalist or market-driven since the Guilded Age. We've become corporationists which in their extreme form of internalism and transnationalism become in effect non-governmental organizations (NGO) with something of the power of government. True capitalism would have open entry into the market, commodities and goods being essentially the same, and if the corporation fails, they'll be no government bail-out.
Amusing how someone comes on this site, and calls the favored candidate by the wrong politicial insult, and by extension all they support him, albeit some begrudginly, and then complain, that their the ones who started the insults.
pissed off patricia @ 7:
I hope so too. Retroactive taxation sounds good to me!
The only thing republicans fear are taxes. Having to contribute to the "common good" is something they cannot intellectually or morally understand.
Republican's; the party of ME, MYSELF, and I!
terilyn @ 136:
WTF? Then why don't you pay your fair share of taxes?
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 114:
I would, but the republicans outlawed porno at our local 7-11.
dennis @ 128:
This is what happens when you bang your head up against the wall all night frustrated by Obama's brilliant speech. You sound just as bankrupt desperate Dennis as your frightened old POW hero, Grandpa.
137 ysbaddaden
Sorry I meant to say internationalism and transnationalism
I guess my fingers are greasy from all those Cheetos.
Alexdem @ 124:
Way to go, Alexdem! "Oh, shut up!!!" These crazed repugs really need to shut up every once in awhile. What they say often makes no sense.
I had a "conversation" with an obviously right wing nut on the Powerline blog recently....she didn't like being called a "liar," yet she calls me a "liar." She started quoting scripture in order to prove her points, and in one poignant example, she quoted some line that said the "Lord said there will be wars......" in order to defend her stance on going into Iraq.
They are NUTS, I tell you. They need to shut up, at least the crazed ones....which I think is not a low number of them.
Regarding Palin from AP news story: "More recently, she has come under the scrutiny of an investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that she ordered the dismissal of Alaska's public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper." Just another example of a vengeful repuglican "Christian."
terilyn @ 93:
Terilyn,
Ignorance costs lives. You need to read more. Start with George Orwell. Look at how language in the hands of the powerful is used with the ignorant. You ever heard of that handy little buzz word: Islamofascism? How about "The Clear Sky Initiative" or maybe "Leave no Child Behind" .
You need to understand the definition and history of fascism to understand how ridiculous you sound when you quote the title of a book like this, my dear. With such profound ignorance it's no wonder you got teary eyed whenever your president talked about 'spreadin' freedom and democracy'. Your kind of reaction has happened countless times throughout history... Just recently in world history there were those people in a teutonic country in Europe that shall remain nameless who fell for this kind of talk from a leader who told them they were the best in the world and they would spread their way of life to all.
Get back to Fox News and get your scoop on the new VP pick. That's all you can handle right now.
Kald @ 99:
So if voters don't agree with you they are ignorant or retarted? maybe your not the one who is not in touch..
terilyn @ 131:
So, when the framers said "to promote the general welfare" they were really just kidding? It's in the preamble.
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136 terilyn
I've served my country with four years in the Air Force, Top Secret Clearance, Honorable Discharge.
And you?
dennis @ 128:
Sarah Palin: Let's add: Her husband works for BP(Oil and Gas), so feel rather confident that she, along w/McLame are really into the "drill here and drill now" bit;
and she is an avid member of the NRA, so let's get our AK47 into the hands of all
persons. She is lame, just as is McLame...
dennis @ 128:
Change? More corporate fascism excites you? The complete destruction of the people's government on behalf of multi-national corporate entities gets you salivating.
Maverick? Clueless stupid rich white guy screwing the shit out of American workers makes you happy.
I do believe you are getting dumber by the day!
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