Bill Frist: The True Face of the Pro-Life Anti-Contraception Movement
By John Amato Friday Jul 24, 2009 9:30am
Here's a blast from the past from the incredible video archives of C&L that's relevant to today. On Dec, 10th, 2004, The former Republican Majority leader was exposed as being a crook and a liar and when it comes to getting what they want, these supposedly religious folks will lie to get their way. Ex-Senator Bill Frist embodies the typical pro-life movement conservative. The face they try to hide from the world is that they want to control they way people have sex. If they were truly worried about unwanted pregnancies they would embrace contraception. Just ask Tim Ryan about their beliefs. Just listen to Frist's lies about condoms and HIV. It's quite stunning. At the time the conservatives were in charge and the media hid in the little holes, too afraid to report on what they really are.
SENATOR BILL FRIST: That's right. Only surefire. Very hard culturally in lots of approaches. Being faithful. Again, one partner and in certain cultures that is very hard and, then third, condoms. If you take out just condoms and say that is the answer with the 15 percent failure rate with a highly infective virus through sexual relations ...
That's a lie. And then he goes on to lie some more.
...that are funded by the Federal government, the funding has doubled over the last four years but there was a report by the minority staff at the House Government Affairs Committee that showed that 11 of 13 of these programs are giving out false information. I want to show some of the claims they identified in the curricula. One of them was, one of the programs taught that "The actual ability of condoms to prevent the transmission of HIV/AIDS, even if the product is intact, is not definitively known." Another, "The popular claim that condoms help prevent the spread of STDs is not supported by the data." A third suggested that tears and sweat could transmit HIV and AIDS. Now, you're a doctor. Do you believe that tears and sweat can transmit HIV?
SENATOR BILL FRIST
I don't know. I can tell you ...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) You don't know?
SENATOR BILL FRIST
I can tell you things like, like ...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) Well, wait, let me stop you, you don't know that, you believe that tears and sweat might be able to transmit AIDS?
SENATOR BILL FRIST
Yeah, no, I can tell you that HIV is not very transmissible as an element like, compared to smallpox, compared to the flu.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) No, let's talk. I want to talk about all of it.
SENATOR BILL FRIST
But about, about condoms, for example. We know there's about a 15 percent failure rate. You know, this is a deadly virus and you know it is directly transmissible with a relatively high degree of infectivity by, by sexual relations. If there's a 15 percent failure rate in, in condoms ...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) But this was suggesting that they don't work even if the condom is intact.
SENATOR BILL FRIST
Oh, I know. But, but let me just say because the whole, the whole success, if you look in Africa today where as you know 28 million people are infected today is on this ABC, abstinence which is sort of the initial thrust itself which is the only way to prevent, only way to prevent.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) Only surefire way.
SENATOR BILL FRIST
That's right. Only surefire. Very hard culturally in lots of approaches. Being faithful. Again, one partner and in certain cultures that is very hard and, then third, condoms. If you take out just condoms and say that is the answer with the 15 percent failure rate with a highly infective virus through sexual relations ...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) These are suggesting that they're really never the answer.
SENATOR BILL FRIST
No, well, clearly. I'm telling you that the proposal that the Federal government supports is officially this A, B, C approach, we put $15 billion into this, what I would regard as one of the great moral and public health tragedies of the last 100 years, probably HIV/AIDS.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) But do you think these abstinence programs should be reviewed and that they should be required to give out scientifically accurate information?
SENATOR BILL FRIST
Oh, I think of course they should be reviewed, I mean, and that's in part our responsibility to make sure that all of these programs are reviewed but whether it's abstinence or whether it's condoms or whether it is better education on the infectivity of how washing hands in terms of the flu, all of these are public health challenges that we need in terms of better education, yes, the government has a role, especially if we're gonna be ...
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS
(Off Camera) Let me just, I wanted to move to another subject, let me just clear this up, though. Do you or do you not believe that tears and sweat can transmit HIV?
SENATOR BILL FRIST
It would be very hard. It would be very hard for tears and sweat, I mean, you can get virus in tears and sweat but in terms of the degree of infecting somebody, it would be very hard.
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Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.
STEPHANOPOULOS pisses me off for legitimizing Frist's hogwash.
In a related story, California is banning nudity in state parks.
I agree. The most important thing when you are bankrupt, and issuing IOU's to the enforcement officers, is to ban nudity on secluded beaches.
The stimulus is working. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Let's just dump these old men that keep trying to KILL AMERICA.
Frist...you gotta go. Leave your money and show us you're a real man and go to Somalia and help people who really care about you.
B.Franklin
Out of the Senate.
I wonder if Governor Sanford used contraception.
Bristol Palin was following orders. Well, one of them, chuckle chuckle.
Where did he get his medical license, from a box of Frooty Loops?
He got it at Walmart.
Absolutely unbelievable. This guy, supposedly a doctor, doesn't know something as elemental as to how HIV is transmitted, yet he was making long distance medical assessments of Terri Schiavo without never having met or or examined her?
Lord, I hope he is not practicing medicine now. He should practice faith healing instead -- sounds like it's more his style.
His teleconference with Terri Schiavo was in Hi-Def, and she was winking to him in morse code. Obviously he is a very astute doctor.
doin' now?? Playing golf and spending the millions he ripped off the people who used HCA...?
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another goodun.
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Visuals are so affective and this one is exactly what 'pro-lifers' are all about, cannonfodder.
and they want to control how everyone has sex.
And they want to push their beliefs into every aspect of everyone's lives.
The right wins their propaganda war when you use their propaganda terms. These people are not pro-life, they are anti-choice. PLEEEEEEEEZEEEEEEEEE stop supporting their propaganda.
Remember Goebels who said, 'If you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it.' and you know he is their high priest.
But there are SO many good ones!
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Frist should have another Doctor Quack, like him, drain the pus bag on his mushy brain, since he had that lobodomy.
How are Christians any different from their Islamic colleagues? They're all the same. The religious are indistinguishable. They're all hate filled theofascist bigots.
I promise!
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my take on many if not most of the 'pro-lifers' is that the issue is used as a psychological crutch in order to justify their inner demons. if they can just focus on that single issue as their cause then they don't have to look at issues like poverty, war, health care. after all they're protecting the most innocent of all so god will reward them for their work. i really believe this fear of god and the unbelievable hypocrisies of the religious institutions are at the core of the movement to deflect attention away from all the rest. and it's also important to say that i think many if not most are being as honest as they can be -- but they are not at a place of consciousness where they are ready to let go of this secondhand god as buckminster fuller called it.
I think that President Bush's initiative to help stem the tide of AIDS was admirable. Unfortunate, like most of Bush's initiatives they sound good coming out of his mouth and then somehow fall significantly short of their goals. (Frist was/is a dork. Just think 5 or 6 years ago, Frist was thought of with Senator George (Macaca) Allen as likely Republican presidential candidates.)
From CBS news:
One of the White House's major aid initiatives, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), has wasted much of its funds on scientifically questionable programs designed to please American religious conservatives. Though studies show that only a comprehensive approach, including condom distribution, sexual education, and antiretrovirals, could reduce HIV, the White House insisted that PEPFAR spend one-third of its behavioral prevention budget on programs that promote abstinence until marriage. It also refused to let PEPFAR money go for programs like needle exchanges and aggressive condom promotion. Recipient nations had to sign an American pledge vowing to oppose prostitution, even though prostitutes are major carriers of HIV in Africa, and signing the pledge could scare PEPFAR recipients out of helping sex workers. Virtually no other major multinational donor agreed with PEPFAR's strategy. Even the administration's own inspector general responsible for overseeing aid couldn't prove that its methods had worked.
For a university with such a reputation, they seem to have turned out a rather sub-par physician. Then again, they gave an MBA to a rather sub-par businessman, too.
My father-in-law -- who has converted to a "pray-away-the-gay" Christianist sect -- shares this belief about condoms, and even told me that latex gloves wouldn't stop viruses or bacteria. Instead of just saying "hey you two, get a room . . . a Sanctuary!!!" they have to create an entirely new network of lies to fool and scare people into behaving the way they want them to. And our fourth estate doesn't even call them on it.
I think that President Bush's initiative to help stem the tide of AIDS was admirable. Unfortunate, like most of Bush's initiatives they sound good coming out of his mouth and then somehow fall significantly short of their goals. (Frist was/is a dork. Just think 5 or 6 years ago, Frist was thought of with Senator George (Macaca) Allen as likely Republican presidential candidates.)
From CBS news:
One of the White House's major aid initiatives, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), has wasted much of its funds on scientifically questionable programs designed to please American religious conservatives. Though studies show that only a comprehensive approach, including condom distribution, sexual education, and antiretrovirals, could reduce HIV, the White House insisted that PEPFAR spend one-third of its behavioral prevention budget on programs that promote abstinence until marriage. It also refused to let PEPFAR money go for programs like needle exchanges and aggressive condom promotion. Recipient nations had to sign an American pledge vowing to oppose prostitution, even though prostitutes are major carriers of HIV in Africa, and signing the pledge could scare PEPFAR recipients out of helping sex workers. Virtually no other major multinational donor agreed with PEPFAR's strategy. Even the administration's own inspector general responsible for overseeing aid couldn't prove that its methods had worked.
... why you recycled this 4 year old story at this particular time? Frist the Cat Killer is thankfully consigned to the trash heap of history. There's plenty these Republicans are doing NOW that deserves our attention.
Because it jibes with this post from yesterday, and even more tightly with this post from Wednesday.
And if you go back even further, I'm sure you'll find a few more recent posts addressing the fact that the hard right anti-choicers and religionists are attempting to make sure that the Public Option- or any other attempt at reforming health care/insurance- won't cover abortions or birth control.
please note there is not one question that he answered directly.
He seems to stutter and stammer and one is never sure of his answer.
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