AP simply makes up cost of Obama inauguration
MediaMatters' Eric Boehlert catches the AP in some serious hackery regarding the cost of President-elect Obama's inauguration celebration.
MM:
It's hard to find journalism more shoddy than this, courtesy of the AP's Matt Apuzzo [emphasis added]:
The price tag for President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration gala is expected to break records, with some estimates reaching as high as $150 million. Despite the bleak economy, however, Democrats who called on President George W. Bush to be frugal four years ago are issuing no such demands now that an inaugural weekend of rock concerts and star-studded parties has begun.
Where does that jaw-dropping number of $150 million come from? The AP never says. It doesn't quote anybody, it doesn't point to any facts. There's no nothing. The AP builds an entire story around how much Obama's inauguration might cost (why stop at $150 million?), yet never substantiates the what-if estimates.
As we said, journalism doesn't get much worse than that.
Nope, it really doesn't. The Villagers never get tired of the left-right false equivalency, huh?
Check out Eric's in-depth examination over the phony controversy.
The LIBRUL media..LYING?
I'm shocked...SHOCKED I say!
Is anyone shocked or mentioning that current and former CEO's of corporations end up sitting on the boards to the AP and "control the message"?
Then it's true!
Remember, they broke the story about Obama's plan to torture damn near everybody all the time...
was to divide us. It's easy to create a conspiracy. Far left media, NO SUCH THING. That post brought out some of the worst of us.
Well the Guardian from the UK had the same figure a while ago. I think they broke it down to $50-60 million in actual cost and then added some funds that would need to be borrowed for assorted services ie police, fire etc. I don't remember the exact breakdown though.
what would gandhi do? what would he say? how many food banks larders could have been replinished by these wasted millions? by the end of this year millions of children will have the hunger they endured etched in thier memorys , the rags they wear to school will forever be the shame of people who wasted what could have been all the difference in the world for them on a stupid ceremony that only benifits the feeble minded!
Even the left aren't getting it. Does it matter if it's 50 mill or 150 mill? It's still a helluva waste of money. For what? When do they give a crown? Did you guys know, there are actually nations out there, that have elections, don't have to wait 3 months to transfer power, and there are no mass hysterical 24/7 newsflows of parades and speeches? What a waste of time and money. Take an oath and get the hell to work.
and I mean that in the best way. Obama's inauguration sets the stage for his Presidency and is one of the greatest PR moments in an administration's lifetime.
Maximinzing political support is essential if the new administration is to make many of the changes necessary to reverse Bush's appointments/executive orders/claims of privilege/law breaking.
Those of you complaining about the cost are being unrealistic again. The pomp and ceremony of the inauguration is a necessary part of Obama's work.
i tend to agree.
the cost of the inauguration--if the AP's numbers are even close to accurate--is less than half the cost of one F-22 raptor
and, see my post below, most of the cost is for security and services, not some sort of gold chariot for obama to ride in.
really, $150 million is a lot less than i would have guessed it would cost to arrange a ceremony and security for up to 5 million people.
Plus a lot of the money will go to people who will be doing the work and that means they will have a job. Much of this money would not have been circulated now if it didn't go to the ceremony.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I was just going to make that point. At least this money is going to the poor dude that is hauling port-a-potties for a living. Just like people yelling about how much elections cost.. at least we're getting some of the "big donor" money out of the bank and into the hands of working people (printers, security, honeybucket dude.)
it is keynesianism in action--govt money being used to spur economic activity, giving instant employment
How am I benefitting?
I ain't even got teevee...
it isn't wasting valuable time and space on the internet Mick? There are no online "special" sections? I admire you for not having a TV. Mine does more dust collecting than actual running.
So does your brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li5nMsXg1Lk
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... you and CC would doubtless be here to call him a sell-out and a slave to Big Money. :D
some how i feel you would think gandhi a fool for seeing the stupidity of coronations of politicians while children go to bed hungry ,its great to be the king!
I thought the subject was Gandhi.
Or at least the implication that someone who can spend $150 million can't possibly be a good person. Therefore, if Gandhi had $150 million to disburse, he'd be a sell out by your own definition.
wouldn't have a 150 million dollar weekend fiesta in the middle of the worst economic turmoil since the Depression.
but some would mistake this gesture to Ghandi as more pandering to Republicans like David Vitter.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Would never get elected. Focus on what can be done, not on pipe dreams.
no im pointing out the fact he wouldnt have been pissing that money away on a cornation of a politician! as far as sellouts go you only have to see how obummer crawfishes on his promisses of change! and the subject was gandhi you just changed it to me and concernedcanuck!
... I simply affirmed that if Gandhi had thrown money about in the same manner you're taking issue with, the two of you'd be just as brutally honest and carp on him, too.
yes i would have because it would have ment gandhi was a hipocrit! and and a fraud and he wasnt! he not only talked the talk he walked the walk!
... does the injection of money into a cause automatically cheapen it?
Can we (speaking figuratively) be effective as Gandhi without being dazzled by dollar signs? (Of course, material wealth isn't the only form of corruption, so are there other tip-offs to look for?)
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 10:10 — tyree
what would gandhi do? what would he say? how many food banks larders could have been replinished by these wasted millions? by the end of this year millions of children will have the hunger they endured etched in thier memorys , the rags they wear to school...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlgDQbvo9I
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thanks for the vedio ysb! the truth is few here have seen the hard times of others or care much about them, how many have went to bed as a child hungry ? watched the fire die in thier coal stoves in winter and nothing left to get warm with but tearing up the lenolium from the floor to feed the stove for warmth and watch even that dissapear, walked to school in the rain with holes in thier shoes that had cardboard placed in them to keep your feet from the ground wore welfare clothes to school and be made fun of by the more fortunate kids, saw thier mothers sit at the kitchen table with tears in her eyes as she watched her hungry children ask if thier was anything to eat, walk by store fronts with thier mother and saw the hungry look in her eyes when she saw things others could buy and she could not, the song my mommas hungry eyes brings me to tears when i hear it, thiers an old indian saying , walk a mile in my shoes !
But there's also another kind of poverty, more insidious because of it's nebulousness, poverty of soul. This can take the form of despair among plenty, of lack of meaning, of anomie and ennui. Where the marketplace has taken the place of culture, where statues of the gods have been replaced with gleaming phallic skyscrapers, and every person a stranger to be walked over if not an enemy.
http://www.kufty.com/tarot/tarot_cards/images...
http://www.psychic-mystic.com/images/Swords10...
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This is exactly why I didn't believe the previous post about torture
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The actual swearing-in ceremony will cost $1.24 million, according to Carole Florman, spokeswoman for the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies.
It's the security, parties and countless Porta-a-Potty rentals that really run up the bill.
The federal government estimates that it will spend roughly $49 million on the inaugural weekend. Washington, D.C., Virginia and Maryland have requested another $75 million from the federal government to help pay for their share of police, fire and medical services.
And then there is the party bill.
the cost of having more police/security than US soldiers in Afghanistan. The cost of that alone is in the millions.
You're right. All that could have been used. But so could countless billions spent on limousines, needless political hack appointments to made up jobs, upkeep of the capital buildings so big, The Iraq War!
However, you have to remember, it is sometimes events like the inauguration are good--an event that very probably could help coalesce a nation at sleep and used to easy money, and inspire to do more good things. To wake people up.
It costs more than a 150 million dollars(even if made up) to make a movie now days. Even crapola like Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants, Bride Wars and Twilight.
Maybe I should write a book, The Brotherhood of the Travelling Jock-Strap.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
But it made me lol.
Fuck them. We demanded that Bush not create trillions of dollars of debt to fund a bullshit war and bailout greedy banks.
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/2009011900...
So if Bushie's little party cost that much, I'm sure Obama's will be in the same neighbourhood. So, I guess AP and the media in general aren't that far off. Unless of course Media Matters own reporting is wrong.
Maybe the AP could report the cost of George's new aircraft carrier in his daddy's honor, or how much it cost to kill that man who tried to kill his daddy, and deliver his pistol as a trophy.
$150 million less for the corrupt bankers, boom, paid for.
... the good we could do if Christians stood up and said, "Jesus, we are yours!" just as German youth said to Hitler, or the Chinese people said to Mao ...
Oh, wait ...
Anyway, when AP starts publishing stories asking the corporate fraudsters to return their bundles of fun from the initial TARP layout, then maybe I'll be more concerned about the friviolity of the inaugural.
Repeat after me, "That damn Holy Ghost is so fat, he's translucent." There, now according to Mark 3:29, you get to bypass pergatory and go straight to hell and there's nothing Jesus or Jesusians can do to save you.
I cannot tell if nobody in the Obama administration (which does not yet exist) did not deny or dispute the figure. I do not know if AP quoted anonyomous people who drafted the budget which is still being debated.
I do know the juxtaposition of these two posts means many commenters are willing to debunk AP when it comes to spending on rock stars but willing to believe it when they accuse Obama of being a closet torturer who abets HBO in homosexual repression.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
... is a willingness to believe that the hero of the moment will shortly be exposed as a fraud and a charlatan, if only we were smart enough / wise enough / informed enough to see the truth.
of you to accuse me of having should have known. Fool me once, shame on whatchamacallit.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Where's the accusation?
All I said is that there was a common thread of being willing to believe that Obama is a sham.
I understood what you said and I agree with you. I'm not sure the reason but there seems to be a need by some who visit C&L to look for and expect the worst with little to no reason. The right has to be loving it as they sit back and watch some on the left tear down their own successful candidate.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Let Obama make what changes he can for the better. Criticize in moderation and only where you have solid evidence and work to get a more liberal President elected in 8 years' time.
Unfettered attacks on the new administration risk the election of President Palin in 2012.
Interesting how certain "progressives" warn that the MSM is in the pocket of the GOP and then still seem to believe everything negative that the MSM comes up with about Obama.
Lately on these matters I have been feeling like the lone ranger around here. I'm just not sure what is going on and why. I have put my faith and trust in our new president and if he, along the way, lets me down, I will raise hell. But the journey has yet to even begin.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Will Rogers once said, "In America we swear in our presidents then cuss them out."
Seem's some "progressives" don't want to wait.
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Obama is not going to be able to fix everything. He is going to have to pick and choose his battles. We need to judge him based upon his progress and not make this into a pass/fail scenario. Our Country has been going to shit since Nixon. The standard of living has continually gone down since Nixon. Obama is not going to fix that in 2 terms. It's all about the track or road that we are on. If Obama puts us on the right road; and, things get better and better every year. I think that is a major victory.
And especially if each of us does our part to help him and our country.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
POP i have seen you on this site for years and years, and i always enjoy your posts... but i must strongly disagree: the journey began weeks ago. and it is troubling.
the journey began when obama named duncan his sec'y of educ appointee, it began when he named summers, geithner, clinton, vilsak, salazar, etc... all of these choices have been dreadful, and they indicate obama's governing intentions.
and it has not gone unnoticied:
"[T]he new administration is off to a good start."
-- Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell.
"[S]uperb ... the best of the Washington insiders ... this will be a valedictocracy -- rule by those who graduate first in their high school classes."
-- David Brooks, conservative New York Times columnist
"[V]irtually perfect ... "
-- Senator Joe Lieberman, former Democrat and John McCain's top surrogate in the 2008 campaign.
"[R]eassuring."
-- Karl Rove, "Bush's brain."
"I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain ... this all but puts an end to the 16-month timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, the unconditional summits with dictators, and other foolishness that once emanated from the Obama campaign ... [Hillary] Clinton and [James] Steinberg at State should be powerful voices for 'neo-liberalism' which is not so different in many respects from 'neo-conservativism.'"
-- Max Boot, neoconservative activist, former McCain staffer.
"I see them as being sort of center-right of the Democratic party."
-- James Baker, former Secretary of State and the man who led the theft of the 2000 election.
"[S]urprising continuity on foreign policy between President Bush's second term and the incoming administration ... certainly nothing that represents a drastic change in how Washington does business. The expectation is that Obama is set to continue the course set by Bush ... "
-- Michael Goldfarb of the neoconservative Weekly Standard.
"I certainly applaud many of the appointments ... "
-- Senator John McCain
"So far, so good."
-- Senator Lamar Alexander, senior Republican Congressional leader.
Hillary Clinton will be "outstanding" as Secretary of State
-- Henry Kissinger, war criminal
Rahm Emanuel is "a wise choice" in the role of Chief of Staff
-- Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, John McCain's best friend.
Obama's team shows "Our foreign policy is non-partisan."
-- Ed Rollins, top Republican strategist and Mike Huckabee's 2008 campaign manager
"The country will be in good hands."
-- Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush's Secretary of State
If they can come together and get something done, I really don't mind that some repubs are happy with his choices. We are in the middle of a hell of a mess and we aren't going to get out by fighting one another. We just aren't. Things are too serious now to piss and moan with one another. We all need to pull together if we are going to fix what is so very wrong today. No one will escape the mess no matter what party they are a part of, this problem needs bipartisanship in the worst kind of way.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... more concerned about whether or not the individuals can do their job than whether they're wearing a blue tie or a red tie.
And if you don't like a pick, suggest an alternative. Give us reasons as to why they're a better choice. Otherwise, the 'ewwwww, another Clinton type' is ultimately being red henned to death.
"Hey, can you help me with this?"
"Nah."
"Then I'll do it myself."
The problem is that trust requires you to be vulnerable, whether it's affairs of the heart or affairs of state. It's easier (and safer) to stand there and never commit or give one's full support. (Or at least abstain from contempt prior.)
interesting...
you are simply concerned about whether or not people can do their jobs, i am concerned HOW they do their jobs.
the 'suggest an alternative' rebuttal never really made sense to me, nor have i ever asked 'how high' when told to jump.
many people--including me--have given suggestions, have offered opinions, made their POVs known, etc.
and 'trust'... a politician? never.
Democratic institutions are design to temper and moderate change. Read the Federalist Papers for a better understanding of this. The democratic process is all about taking babysteps so that government does not trip over its own feet. This works really well when things are going smooth. When faced with huge issues demcratic institutions are designed to slow progress and enable some kind of minor compromise that benefits the wealthy. In this capacity, Obama is doing everything that he is supposed to do. He's bringing on broad a coalition of various interests to facilitate some kind of compromise that will protect the system of wealth distribution and privilages for the wealthy.
Thinking that somehow a democratic election will result in some kind of meaningful change is intellectually lazy. It's not the appropriate platform to bring about real change.
The facts are this; the wealthy aristocracy in this country is on its knees. They are desperately trying to find a way to maitain their system of wealth and privilage. This is the appropriate role of government; this is what Obama is going to D.C. to accomplish.
Here are a few suggestions:
If you are serious about wanting a universal healthcare system; then convince people to cancel their health insurance and quit paying their medical bills. I guarantee that the Republicans will be talking about the benefits of universal healthcare within a month.
If you want the banking and credit systems to reform then organize boycotts so that nobody is buying new homes or taking our car loans.
If you want a living wage then organize local boycotts of local companies that pay minimum wage.
If you want rents to go down; organize renters unions that will challenge local land lords.
If you want the price of food to go down; convince everyone you know to plant a garden or raise a hog.
We should also seriously consider organizing our communities to rebuild cottage industries. Rebuild our communities on the local level so that they are as self-sufficient as possible.
If we are serious about change; it is not enough to vote and pray. We need to get involved in the process and act as a force so that the needs of the masses are taken seriously. We are just wasting our time if we think that Obama is somehow going to change the World for us.
how practical a lot of your suggestions are. But that said, your comment keeps you well away from the 'kneejerk criticism but offer no suggestions' crowd.
some of us are involved
thanks
I dunno. Must have had it around here somewhere. If only I had better informed myself where I was going to leave it I would have known I needed it in the future.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I think a little pomp and circumstances is cool.
The office of the presidency is both Head of State and Ceremonial Head (Monica was recreational).
The travel industry, hotels, airlines, buses, cabs, eating establishments, souvenirs will all be generating money.
If I go to a movie, should I feel guilty that the cash could've gone to the poor?
And without a grand inaugration, couldn't we be accused of letting Obama in through the backdoor?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
“Precedent suggests that inaugural festivities should be muted — if not canceled — in wartime,” Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y. wrote Bush on Tuesday.
Eight congressional Democrats from the Washington area on Wednesday wrote another letter to the president complaining of what they said was the unfair financial burden being imposed on the District of Columbia.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6822858/
That would be Dems grumbling about the cost during time of war...which is still supposed to be going on. Guess it's different when it's the other party.
All of a sudden these partisan hacks give a HOOT. Really, where were you guys when Bush, a CONSERVATIVE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSERVING MONEY, was bleeding money out of this country.
Or do others think that for those kind of bucks we could've gotten someone better than Pete Seeger and afforded the whole damn E St. band?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Did you miss the part where AP yanked that figure out of their ass?
... was a symbolic choice, since he was banned from the airwaves for his folk activism back in the 1960's.
But maybe we should have hired Lee Greenwood, Toby Keith, and Charlie Daniels. Then we could also burn the Dixie Chicks at the stake ... oh, wait, that's that OTHER administration.
Marilyn Manson and the Trenchcoats or the Dead Kennesaws.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Hey! What's wrong with Pete Seeger?
That guy has written more music than most of the "superstar" groups you see now ever will. I guess it's just a matter of perspective.
Pete Seeger?
Mon, 01/19/2009 - 11:06 — hackenbush
Hey! What's wrong with Pete Seeger?
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He doesn't come with a built-in humidor like Clinton's choice?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
How come they only hired him to speak cover lyrics and let the superstars back him up.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RtWaOI2sHsY&featur...
John 12 >>
King James Bible
1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. 2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. 3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
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when you invite the dead over for supper. Wait a minute. Whyn weren't the Dead at the Lincoln Memorial. They could use the gig and Jerry is already dead.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Howzaboot one of my favorite toe-tappers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tluogv9EGTQ
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I refuse to link to Chimpanzee on a Segway again. Besides, he's at Camp David for one last holiday.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
What's left of the Dead have been invited to play at the Mid-Atlantic Inaugural Ball, though Mickey Hart was hoping Obama would pick him to head up the FBI or CIA.
Linky.
a tie-dye rag would take the edge of waterboarding.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I wonder why The Dead decided not to come to the Pacific Northwest this tour. I sure as hell ain't going to truck all the way to California.
Oh Christ! The AP has been making up shit for years!
Well, clearly what we're seeing is the plan to treat Obama's Inauguration the same way the right-wing propaganda media treated Wellstone's Memorial. Because the Bush Administration got us into a unnecessary war and an economic catastrophe, everyone should be in mourning. And if anyone ISN'T in mourning, they are bad.
Folks, we have GOT to break up these media empires. And that will require Campaign Finance Reform, because the media empires are owned by the same wealthy megacorporations that bribe Congress every day.
Obama will NOT be able to succeed as a president if the media insists on casting him and anything he does in the worst possible light. They will invent the story of a failed Obama administration even as it succeeds.
We have to stop pretending that the media is incompetent or craven or unprofessional, and start accepting that what we call "news" has been turned into a corporate propaganda vehicle.
Tools like the AP writers aren't being unprofessional journalists, they're being professional propagandists. These companies aren't biased media, they're right wing marketing firms.
We MUST get past this paradigm shift, and stop acting surprised, shocked or astonished when the media does what it is being paid to do: undermine the interests of the American people in favor of the corporations.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
His partisanship is showing. He didn't exactly break down Bushie's inaugural bash properly himself, when the shoe was on the other foot.
As a member of the partisan press himself, Boehlert was critical of the press for not covering Bush's inauguration spending back in 2005. And he didn't even have proper numbers to be critical about in that column as he was using a $70 million figure.
I agree that this new $160 million figure for Obama should be explained and put in context, but Boehlert can't pretend to be above the partisan nonsense. He's right there. If Bush spending $70 million (which was a low estimate as it turns out) was a problem in a time of war, then Obama spending his millions should be a problem in a time of financial crisis.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/...
I know media matters doesn't profess to be unbiased, but you have to look at the numbers the same if you want truth.
I could see it costing $150 million if you include all the Federal, Democratic Party, and local spending.
Just saying that it costs this much money is complete and utter bullshit. The District of Columbia and the surrounding communities making huge amounts of money off of this. Even the TV networks are making bank off of this.
You figure a million people spending $1000 each on travel expenses, lodging, food, and memorabilia is a billion dollars worth of commerce in and of itself. Add in another 500 million in increased prices for advertising for the networks and we are talking about 1.5 billion worth of commerce.
Toss in another 500 million worth of business created by the circulation of currency and you are looking at 2 billion worth of commerce created by spending 150 million.
Not a bad investment for the D.C. area.
Did anyone here participate in national community service day today?
While everyone is complaining about one thing or another, I just wondered what everybody did today for their own community.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... made a donation to our local food bank.
Otherwise, I'm stuck in newsland breathing in the joyous pomp and circumstance ...
My husband set out this morning with four big bags of food for our local food pantry. I feel good that we were able to do that. We do it about every other week but this food today seemed kind of special or something.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
bravo.
I inventoried our Tribal CERT trailers.
"The bottom line for Bush's 2005 inauguration, including the cost of security? That's right, $157 million."
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901170003
To provide an unprecedented level of security primarily due to the threat of gun-toting, crazy folk who were recently energized into klan-like hysteria by Palin and McCain during the 2008 election campaigning season. It's nice they want to try to break down this amount dollar by dollar while the same people aren't too concerned about what the banks did with their $350billion dollar gift bags we gave them last year.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/175...
quoting Tom DeLay, that is...
the Roman column set from Denver and some of Palin's wardrobe to defray the costs.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Obama's inaugration speech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Crap! What lack of imagination. I can estimate more impressively that that. I want his job. Check this out:
I'm estimating it will cost $718 septillion. There. Now there's an estimate as high as $718 septillion. Or, twelve femtoseconds of the Iraq war.
Shoot I would have gone as high as .16 of a Friedman Unit myself.
But I always get hot, flat, and crowded when I'm that high.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
What's that in Yen per fortnight?
I raised concerns about a previous story posted on C&L because it came from the AP.("AP: Obama Team Debating Violating UN Convention On Torture") Thanks to SilentPatriot for further exposing the highly suspect work of AP reporters. I hope the C&L staff will think twice before posting stories coming from the AP without other sources to back them up.
It seems like these News Hacks are not being educated at all to tell the truth anymore. Just lie and make up shit.
When soldiers are dying from an illegal war that Obama started, and when the economy is in shambles from Obama's policies, they might have a point. Until then I'll ask that they just STFU.
The AP makes money off of news. This is news. What is their bitch?
the proper question is who, not what.
Hunnert
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
what the hell makes you think they didn't make up the "news" that obama is considering loopholes on torture?
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