Brief Pause in Gaza Attacks for Relief Supplies
January 07, 2009 BBC World
Ironic, considering that Israel's restrictions on food and supplies were a major factor in why Hamas was shooting in the first place:
GAZA — Under international pressure to ease its 12-day bombardment of the Gaza Strip, Israel agreed on Wednesday to suspend the fighting for three hours a day and permit humanitarian relief goods to reach the beleaguered population. It was not immediately clear whether the militant Hamas movement, which governs Gaza, had also agreed to the plan.
The announcement by officials in Jerusalem came a day after Israeli mortar shells killed as many as 40 Palestinians, among them women and children, outside a United Nations school in Gaza.
Mark Regev, the spokesman for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said the idea behind relief corridors was to permit a flow of food and other aid to a population said by United Nations officials to be facing a humanitarian crisis. A statement late Tuesday from Mr. Olmert’s office said the pause — expected to begin Wednesday — would “entail opening geographic areas for certain periods of time during which the population would be able to equip itself and receive the assistance.”
The Associated Press quoted the Israeli B’Tselem human rights group as saying the military had informed it of a planned lull in the afternoon between 1 p.m. and 4 p.m. local time, and some reports said the cease-fire had taken effect. Military officials said the Israeli measures would allow Gaza residents to leave their homes to seek medical help and buy food.
Everything stops for T(el Aviv)
What a surreal notion,this daily 3 hour cessation in the bombing to allow for the aid and assistance of those innocents molested by the rest of the day's attacks which will(presumably)continue unabated.
Still-its something.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
don't know how badly ordinary citizens of Gaza are suffering.
Very sad.
I'll avoid profanities.
Brief Pause in Gaza Attacks for this brief message
From Glad Body Bags.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
a dark,disturbing and all together "too close to the truth for comfort" notion to be sure.The pale rider profits of war.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5P0v0kGauc
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The World has seen the massacre of woman/children and the evil it represents. The plan was played out by US/Israel/Abbas and now it's to late to turn it around. Even the US Media has starting showing the horror of the massacre of innocent people. What's interesting is how Abbas of Fatah has went along with this as his people are killed by his friends. The US gave Israel Cluster Bombs to make sure as many people were killed as possible. The United Natiions is powerless as nothing was done when the US illegally invaded Iraq based on lies now any country can invaded another. But at lease the World gets to see the real Israel and not the story they have told for so long. In 1948 the US/UK asked the UN if Israel could settle on Palestine land. 60 years later Israel will now just take over all the land and doesn't need anyone's permission to do it. If anyone trys to stop this Israel can use it's Nuclear Weapon to finish the job.
Now it will be differcult for World Leaders to deny Iran and North Korea to develope Nuclear weapons to protect their citizens. Israel has shown they can invasion and kill because they think they have the right. The good news is very few Jewish people have been killed and no children have been lost during this War. Now over 300 Palestine children have been killed but that's really no problem for Israel as long as the children of Israel are safe that's all that matters. The Media did say two Israeli soldiers on had a minor leg scrap and the other had a minor scratch on his back. Three soldiers died in combat and Israel said they will revenage those deaths with killing thousands of Palestine people.
Yep, Israeli drivers bringing in supplies for the Palestinians.
Please, will both sides grown up?! Long past time to lay down the arms and bring sanity to the region.
really, i do
current events too
there have been less than 600 total killed in the current conflict...and now you are saying over half are children
where do you get your facts from
not even al jazeira is reporting this
entirely.
Here is Kucinich.
Here I said the same thing previously.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
the one and only man who should have been president just spoke , eat your hearts out !
What about the vegetarians?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
fed and their wounds treated so the Jewish juggernaut can continue to beat them up. Too bad the Israelis are not also providing Palestinians with decent weapons to fight back with... wouldn't that be interesting?
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
you are right
dumb israelis
they cant win
so might as well not even try
this heartbreaking discovery:
Gaza medics describe horror of strike which killed 70
A handful of survivors, some wounded, others carrying dead or dying infants, made it on foot to Gaza's main north-south road before they were given lifts to hospital. Three small children were buried in Gaza City that afternoon.
According to the survivors between 60 and 70 family members had been killed by shrapnel and falling masonry.
Convoys of ambulances twice headed to the area to look for wounded but they were driven back by Israeli shooting.
During today's three hour lull in offensive operations by Israel, the ICRC led the rescue convoy in although it took a long time for the convoy to make its way down war-damaged.
I'm normally a big fan of Crooks and Liars, but I guess it's too much to ask that some blogger at C&L not be completely biased in favor of a terrorist organization that deliberately hides among the civilian population and fires rockets not at Israeli military targets, but at civilian ones.
I am always shocked when I come across liberals who use the term "terrorist organization"
Do you realize you sound just like people on Townhall.com. You are missing the big picture. Ask yourself WHY Hamas is firing rockets. Also check out Occupation 101, you can YouTube it. It will tell you all you need to know.
you tell me
you tell me how they are morally superior and allowed to shell innocent women and children
please...tell me
gunpowder warhead, a few sooty marks on the tarmac.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/the-...
ill give you a ticket
go there...when the next barrage comes across....dont move
let one of those pathetic rockets hit you
you should be fine
Nothing irks me more than bleeding-hearts projecting reasonable excuses onto terrorist organizations. I would love for some of you to sit down with a representative from Hamas, so he could tell you about how important it is to annihilate every single living Jew, and then you can decide how rational these people are.
Just because some of us disagree with Israel's bombing of civilian population, does not imply we support attacks on Israeli civilians either.
Maybe, and this may be a tough concept for you to follow, some of us just don't agree with violence period.
Dot you in the eye!
Lookin good...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
where were the numerous posts on any liberal blog discussing the constant mortar and missile attacks coming from hamas at any time?
where were or are the calls for hamas to cease using terror tactics in order to achieve their objectives?
and when any army, militia or un uniformed fighter uses schools, hospitals, places of worship or civilian homes to launch attacks or use as staging grounds, those facilities are no longer considered civilian...those are the rules of engagement
so really...when will i start seeing posts not excusing hamas or the palestinians for their actions...cuz that is mostly what i have seen here
doesnt seem like a rejection of violence to me
Israel has ignored/Violated more than 100 UN Resolutions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxeTxD_kZ4&fe...
ZIONISM SUCKS
and that is a fact...and you know it
you!
I am a tried-and-true liberal (Hell, I'm Canadian), but the hypocritical hysteria about Israel never ceases to amaze and, to be honest, sicken me. In the minds of liberal Americans, everything Hamas does is utterly justified, and everything that Israel does is monstrous in nature.
Our country must quit Israel before we get sucked further into this. Perhaps the pictures of decapitated children, dead and twisted bodies of mothers, and flattened buildings including houses of worship that make it past the MSM and to the eyes of an increasingly aware world, will make a difference for the million or more people living under the largest open air prison in the world.
We Americans must stop bickering about who knows what facts and the context of this and that and start considering why on earth we want to support a handful of righteous Jews with God on their side when there are over a billion Muslims in the world.... and who cares who is on their side... that is a billion people.
going to be one of those inconvenient questions to anyone with a certain fixed world view but why, Suzie, when checkpoints were opened to allow through desperately needed humanitarian aid, did Hamas fire rockets at them and force them to be shut down? Answer anyone?
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Rogues?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
man, you excuse the terrorists for everything...dont you
thousands of greenhouses were left for the palestinians in gaza
those greenhouses supplied work for 45,000 people...fed even more
hamas destroyed most
couldnt deal with the people not being dependent on them
they are no better than mafioso
That all Palestinians are terrrrists?.
Is it fair to subject all the people there to the actions of a few?
Granted, they elected Hamas to run Gaza. But that was a violation of the gov't who actually does govern all of Palestine. Which is Fatah.
Now, I've been giving this some thought. And I do recall all of the suicide bombers that hit Israel. That does need to be addressed. But what about all the other people living in Gaza who don't subscribe to their views. Should they be bombed into oblivion as well? Surely you don't think that all Palestinians are terrrists?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
The Israelis are dropping MOAB's on them. You know, 2000 lb bombs.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
for this assertion?
I guess it's easier that way.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
there are over one million people in gaza
the death toll is currently under 600
shoot...bush killed over 500,000 iraqis and i never heard the term oblivion used
the iraqi people really messed up...they too shouldve used their dead for photo ops
guess they arent as good with pr
A 2000 lb bomb does?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
white phosphorous shells exploding LOW over residential areas, cluster bombs too if the reports are accurate.
then its shelled and demolished killing the people.
Thats the latest horror story to leak from Gaza, that and the UN school attacked, plus the reporters in that hotel which was attacked by a helicopter gunship.
Red Cross ambulances machine gunned as they try to pick up wounded.
Do you think all Palestinians are terrrrists?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
They know because its in their holy book, and they have a plan.
Ditto with all the Bushco fundies who did a similar job in Iraq.
must be the bible
great, another refugee from a neo nazi site
Godwin's Law
ok
no, i do not believe most palestinians are terrorists
i do believe that they support terror tacticts and have embraced a culture of martyrdom
that is what i believe
i have yet to see a mass demonstration by any palestinian groups condemning terrorism by hamas
and then there is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo7EqgDzBaU
If you were a Palestinian would you support terror tactics?
When the Germans herded the Polish Jews into the Warsaw Ghetto; they revolted.
The German media called them communist sympathising terrorists.
When "Gods chosen people" decided to herd the Palestinians into the Gaza to create "God's Kingdom on Earth(Israel)" the Palestinians revolted.
The Israelis are now calling the Palestinians terrorists.
It seems to me that when people are herded into ghettos they tend to revolt.
You can even look at the history of the United States and see example after example of natives being herded into reservations and revolting.
Let me ask you this; if you were a German in the 1940s would you be a big advocate of crushing the Jewish Terrorists in the Warsaw Ghettos?
Put the shoe on the other foot and think about it.
You are subscribing to a popular misrepresentation of history, wherein Jews poured into Israel and mercilessly forced Palestinians out of their homes. In reality, Jews had always lived in Israel, though immigration obviously exploded because Jews were being oppressed and killed throughout Europe. A handful of Muslim nations (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) decided to rid the world of the scourge of Jews once and for all, and launched an all-out war on Israel -- and lost horribly. In the aftermath, Israel took control of a bunch of land for myriad reasons; not only is this typically what happens to the 'losing' side, but Israel needed the land to ensure they would not be in a horrendously compromising situation in the future. If they hadn't seized the land from their oppressors, they would most likely be dead right now. Where would your outrage be then?
I wouldn't put that past elements who want conflict.
The blockade, invasion and overkill by the Israelis is more to do with their upcoming elections, and the January 20th changeover more than anything else.
He goes to prison. The Prime Minister of Israel has all sorts of indictments against him for bribery and embezzlement.
...the Prime Minister isn't a very popular figure in Israel right now. Not that this will stop people from blaming The Jews™ for the actions of their government.
it seems nothing the Palestinians do is a provocation. their rockets, their suicide bombers, mortar attacks, nothing is a provocation. this talk of disproportionate Israeli response is just stupid.
Neither side can claim a good reason for bombing the other. All of the people in that area need to put down their weapons and talk. It is madness for them to be killing each other for the last 2,000 years. After 2,000 years of conflict neither side has won. Stop and sincerely talk about your differences, resolve them, and live in PEACE! It can be done.
It's important to mention two things:
1. The aid that's being allowed into Gaza was donated by international relief organizations including the Red Cross and the UN.
2. While speaking at the UN Security Council meeting yesterday, Condi Rice stated that the reconstruction of Gaza's destroyed buildings, homes and infrastructure by the Israeli army will have to be done by donors from the international community. Essentially, Israel, according to Rice, isn't responsible for any of it and will not have to foot the bill. Israel destroys, then gets rewarded by having someone else, including Uncle Sam, pay for the damages.
for the damage their attacks have cost, then you can talk reimbursing the palestinians
not that they would take money from israel anyway
where are all the structures and neighborhoods left when israel shut down the settlements in gaza?
oh thats right...hamas burnt them down
maybe israel should reimburse that too
Thats illogical and propaganda by the displaced settlers who most likely did it to stop it being used by the Palestinians.
Why would they say this? Herded nails it.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Juvenal
You think this nutcase speaks for all Palestinians?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
you don't.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Juvenal
I don't. Just like I think that not all Israelis agree with the actions taking place.
But it seems you do.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
is an insane horror. I'm for peaceful resolution and a Palestinian homeland but that's gonna be tough when The Covenant of The HAMAS calls for the obliteration of Israel.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Juvenal
I'm just so sick and tired of the whole thing.
I really am. Both sides are screwing up so badly.
I just wish Israel would figure out a way to solve this without so much killing .I'm so sick of this .I understand that this isn't a one sided affair. I see that.
But Israel is going too far. 2000 lb bombs for christ's sake.
Diplomacy,Diplomacy,Diplomacy.
They need to talk. Now more than ever.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-314...
http://newuniversity.org/main/article?slug=ha...
when israel returned the sinai, yes the settlers and army destroyed the buildings....not this time
everything was left intact
hamas and the palestinians destroyed what was left
notice, since 05, there are no pictures of the settlements which were left intact....for the palestinians destroyed everything...and that would be bad pr
A lot of people conveniently forget that in 2005, Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip and paid dearly for it. Don't get me wrong: often I feel the IDF is crossing the line, and that the government is not helping by imposing harsh sanctions, but too many folks nonetheless forget that, at the end of the day, Israel is the state that tries time and again to find a peaceful solution -- whereas their enemies aren't willing to so much as hear said ideas.
I totally disagree. The only peaceful solution Israel has ever attempted was to herd all the Palestinians into areas like concentration camps. The world doesn't see that does it? You don't hear about those atrocities in the media. Nope. What you hear about is "how dare those Palestinians attempt to break out of their free life"...how free is it again? Oh ya. Everything you own taken from you and herded into pens like animals while squatters walk in and build themselves a new home on where you lived. That sounds real peaceful.
The entire world hops on the Israeli-bashing bandwagon with the exclusion of the United States and its politicians. For the record, I do find the Israel pandering shameless -- as do many Israelis, for that matter. It's hard to blame them; after all, who would want the support of the other most hated nation and President in the world? But I digress.
I personally feel that the situation--in general--is unfortunate, but blaming one side over the other is a tad ridiculous. As I mentioned elsewhere, there happened to be a big, fat war on Israel wherein their would-be oppressors tried to kill each and every last Jew. Don't tell me you can't see why they would react (after winning a sort of 'underdog victory' against Syria, Jordan, and Egypt) the way they did, by seizing enough land to ensure their own future. I don't like it, but I understand it, and frankly, I don't know what else they could have done.
And yes, since then there have been many, many attempted peace talks initiated by Israel, as well as concessions, such as attempting to pull out of Gaza in 2005, the release of countless Palestinian criminals (call them 'freedom fighters' if you wish, but these people intentionally targeted civilians), the offering of sanctuary to Muslims within Israel itself (where many Muslims do reside, even if popular opinion states otherwise), spending time and money on aid and supplies for Palestinians, ad infinitum. This doesn't make everything suddenly cool -- but it's nonetheless important to remember that Israelies aren't horrible, evil, brainwashed people because to do otherwise is to dehumanize the Jews entirely and geez, I wonder why they'd respond negatively to that?
The Israeli government does not want peace or it would have had it decades ago. It isn't hard to achieve when your supposed "foe" is not anywhere near your wealth, achievements, or military. Your analogy would be like blaming Cuba if the United States invaded it.
The only way Israel gets attention from the world, is when it does this type of action. Then good ol' Uncle Sammy sends them money and military weapons. That's a good deal.
Israel has the wealth and the technology to stop all this stuff peacefully, but they don't want to. What they are doing is on par with what the Nazis did to them. Seizing their property, rounding them up, and making them live in tiny sealed off "concentration" camps.
the one thing you can depend on israel will be resupplyed with more ammunitions clusterfluck bombs rockets ect ect, by good old uncle sammy, and since rices time slobering on the isralies peckers is pretty well over it will be , hold on now!HILLARY ROTTEN CLINTON! cant let them killers go without ammo can we now?
It was good Israel admitted no bombs were coming from the school they bombed with children in it. It's always good to know the truth but it wont help the dead children. Thank Goodness that was Israel children who were bombed or all hell would break out. Israel Leaders say they have a short time to continue the bombing as it's almost Jan. 20th and the likely hood of Obama supporting murder isn't likely at all. So when Bush leaves office Israel will stop bombing. Let's see how the Israel people treat Abbas of Fatah would was in on the US/Israel plan to attack and bomb Palestine. Now Israel will have to deal directly with the winner of the Democratic Election Hamas not the person Bush/Israel wanted to win.
When { Deleted, That's getting close to sounding racist. You might want to think about that. SiteMonitor}are shooting at Israeli soldiers from occupied children's schools, using children as human shields, it is the Arabs who are solely responsible for the consequences.
The short cease-fire was merely a ploy to bring more people out into the open.
GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli warplanes bombed the Gaza Strip on Thursday and tanks pounded Palestinian guerrillas on the ground as U.S. backing for a proposed truce raised expectations of an end to the offensive.
Israel's assault resumed fiercely after a brief pause on Wednesday to help Gaza's 1.5 million people stock up on supplies. It was the first break in a 13-day air-and-ground offensive that medics say has killed 658 Palestinians.
Twenty people were killed on Wednesday, medics said, including three children in an air strike on a car. It was a lower toll than on other days but took the total of Palestinian deaths since December 27 to at least 658 -- the bloodiest episode in decades in the conflict between Israel and Palestinians.
Ten Israelis have died in the past 12 days, seven of them soldiers, including four killed by "friendly" fire.
Let's see if I've got this right! The Arabs don't have any food, but they've still got plenty of rockets and bombs! So, let them eat their rockets and bombs!
First, the Arabs are the instigators, the attackers, the ones who have literally brainwashed themselves (and continue to abuse their own children brainwashing them), to be filled with hate, whose express policy is that Israel has no right to exist, and whose express goal is the annihilation of Israel, and the murder of its citizens. That is the foundational premise that you either don't understand, or chose to ignore.
Further, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fattah, PLO, etc., have a long established history of purposely and indiscriminately targeting Israeli civilians. And they use their own citizens as human shields as a subterfuge for propaganda. Conversely, Israel uses all reasonable means to avoid the death of Arab civilians.
Moreover, every attempted cease fire, treaty and land for peace deal, has been breached by the Arabs because they have no interest in making peace with Israel. They're interest is the destruction of Israel. If nothing else is crystal clear, it is crystal clear that bargaining with the Arabs is futile.
So, knowing that bargaining with the Arabs is demonstrably futile, and that they willingly, purposely, embed themselves among their own citizens as shields, how then, do you propose that Israel defend itself, without inadvertently killing Arab civilians? It's impossible, and it's 100% the doing of the Arabs - to themselves.
YOUR YOUR OUTRAGE HAS TO BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE ARABS. THEY INSTIGATE EVERY SINGLE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL, THEY PURPOSELY TARGET ISRAELI CIVILIANS, AND THEY PURPOSELY SACRIFICE THEY'RE OWN CITIZENS AS A SUBTERFUGE FOR PROPAGANDA. WHEN THE ARABS STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL, THE CEASEFIRE WILL BE AUTOMATIC. ISRAEL HAS NO OTHER INTEREST IN THIS CONFLICT.
Arabs huh?
Which ones?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmjR-cVu8w
You are an islamist, fundamentalist, electronic jihadist, Arab troll, and a fraud! Since when do (putative) Arab sheppards carry digital video cameras around with them in the field? And since when do Jews wear Kiffyahs? Go peddle your crap on an Arab/Nazi propagandist site. No one here is stupid enough to buy it.
what's with all the palestinian support here? muslims around the world are starting their crap because they are bitter and want holy war. Are you people stupid? Israel didn't start all this crap, but what they should do is finish it. Declare gaza as part of israel and start assimilating....this bullshit will continue forever until one eliminates the other. It's not Israel that launches worldwide terrorist attacks, it's muslims. muslims are the problem here. not that bush and his neocon pals are any better, but lets call a spade a spade here. I say once and for all stop horsing around with muslims and kick their ass so they know not to start this crap in the future.
on the other hand...I do find some arab women very hot
Bet you have a picture of yourself standing in front of a crematorium with the caption "employee of the month".
Turkish women sure are.
And it's not Muslims behind world terrorism as it is sub-groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Hezbollah and Hamas seem to restrict their aims to the immediate area.
That would be like claiming all Westerners and Americans are Aryan Nation, or Sword and the Arms of the Lord.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Why would a putative liberal side with the most extreme form of ultra right-wing, conservatism in the world - islamist, fundamentalist, terrorists - against one of the most liberal, socialist nations in the world - Israel?
The only answer I can think of is that these so called liberals are imposters! They are islamist, fundamentalist, electronic-jihadist, Arab, trolls, masquerading as liberals. The BBC and Reuters know all about them.
Out of curiosity, why isn't Israel using their commandoes? They had the reputation for being some of the best. Commandoes could practice directed assasination, and destruction of any weapon launching sites with minimal civilian casualties.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090108/ap_on_re_...
Never seen anything so screwed up before in my life. I have never in my life witnessed this kind of thing. A "supposed" war that we'll stop for 3 hours every couple days, so you can get medical help. Ready? OK, open season begins anew. Why is the world putting up with this display, regardless which side is the terrorist. Where is the REAL leadership on this globe? Step in and say enough is enough. This isn't a game. People are dying. Jeebus. Religion? Every religion says killing is wrong in their Gawd's eyes, yet???
". . . Why is the world putting up with this display, regardless which side is the terrorist. . . ."
I THINK YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION! IT'S CALLED SELF DEFENSE! AND IT'S 100% JUSTIFIED! THE ARABS EXPRESS GOAL IS THE DISTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND THE MURDER OF ITS CITIZENS. THE ARABS PURPOSELY TARGET ISRAELI CIVILIANS, AND PURPOSELY PUT THEIR OWN CIVILIANS IN HARMS WAY, USING THEM AS HUMAN SHIELDS! THE ARABS ARE 100% AT FAULT FOR EACH AND EVERY CIVILAIN ARAB DEATH!
THIS IS LONG OVER DUE!
{ This is getting very close to being considered racist. You really need to think about this. There are thousands of different Arab tribes. Tone down the racism.SiteMonitor}
1) There's nothing racist about it! It's 100% indesputable fact. Your comment about Arab tribes is a non sequitur. 2) There are actual Jew hating racist comments all over this thread that you seem to be fine with. 3) It seems to me that you are the racist! Perhaps a more reasonable and even handed moderator is called for!
{ You're still allowed to comment here, aren't you?
You constantly refer to the Palestinians as Arabs. Which they are.
But the way you use it is too generalize all of the Arabs as one.
And in my opinion, That's racist. Deal with it. You know where the door is. If you continue with your generalized racist comments. I'll help you find the door. SiteMonitor}
Why not try a little less hatred in your life. Getting emotional loses one's thinking capabilities, and delivers the world black and white. It isn't. Never has been. Even animals in the wild have learned compromise. Humans don't seem to be able to grasp that one. There is no good guy vs. bad guy here.
You are not thinking clearly, and your comment is the height of hypocricy! Hate is the Islamist, fundamentalist, Arabs' stock in trade . . . it is their currency. Why not try a little reason and logic in your life. You'll gain more respect and credibility among those able to think critically! Unless you are just another electronic jihadist troll, in which case it really doesn't matter for you, me or anyone else.
As for emotions clouding one's thinking, first prize goes to this thread's moderator.
Dude, you seriously need the chill the f**k out. Any time someone disagrees with a pro-Zionist, that individual is deliberately labelled an anti-Semite. How about putting yourself in the shoes of the Palestinian people (not Hamas or any other political entity) for once and imagine what life is like for them under Israeli occupation. If you can do that, maybe....just maybe...you'll be able to see through the spin and propaganda that both sides are pushing.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
"Dude," are you insane? Can you read? Your questions and comments (all false premises and non sequiturs), have already been answered! The Arabs and Israelis are NOT in pari delicto. (Look it up). The Arabs elected to put Hamas in power, knowing that Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are responsible the the consequences. Now, Huckleberry, put YOURSELF in the shoes of the Israeli people and for once imagine what life is like for them, you hypocrite!
"First, the Arabs are the instigators, the attackers, the ones who have literally brainwashed themselves (and continue to abuse their own children brainwashing them), to be filled with hate, whose express policy is that Israel has no right to exist, and whose express goal is the annihilation of Israel, and the murder of its citizens. That is the foundational premise that you either don't understand, or chose to ignore.
"Further, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fattah, PLO, etc., have a long established (60 year) history of purposely and indiscriminately targeting Israeli civilians. And they use their own citizens as human shields as a subterfuge for propaganda. Conversely, Israel uses all reasonable means to avoid the death of Arab civilians.
"Moreover, every attempted cease fire, treaty and land for peace deal, has been breached by the Arabs because they have no interest in making peace with Israel. They're interest is the destruction of Israel. If nothing else is crystal clear, it is crystal clear that bargaining with the Arabs is futile.
"So, knowing that bargaining with the Arabs is demonstrably futile, and that they willingly, purposely, embed themselves among their own citizens as shields, how then, do you propose that Israel defend itself, without inadvertently killing Arab civilians? It's impossible, and it's 100% the doing of the Arabs - to themselves.
"YOUR OUTRAGE HAS TO BE DIRECTED TOWARD THE ARABS. THEY INSTIGATE EVERY SINGLE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL, THEY PURPOSELY TARGET ISRAELI CIVILIANS, AND THEY PURPOSELY SACRIFICE THEY'RE OWN CITIZENS AS A SUBTERFUGE FOR PROPAGANDA. WHEN THE ARABS STOP ATTACKING ISRAEL, THE CEASEFIRE WILL BE AUTOMATIC. ISRAEL HAS NO OTHER INTEREST IN THIS CONFLICT."
It's rude, it's pointless, and it makes you look batshit crazy, although your hate filled posts adequately do that already.
If the entire world took your wonderful ideas, then mass killing of all things "arab" would be on par with the Holocaust. What did that solve again?
Lefty2 makes amazing points that are spot on. The rebuttal, to comment on the use of caps. Look at the content of his statement, if you have an argument state it and not exasperate the board with name-calling and accusations like "batshit crazy" and "hate". How about refuting his argument point by point, or when all else fails side step those points and start with the insults.
Can anybody rebut the points made or will you attack the person rather than the issues. I dare anyone on here to make intelligent arguments so true discourse can be had and maybe some meaningful understanding.
I am with Lefty2 on this but would love to hear what the other side of this position has to say. I know there are many truths and want to hear them.
This whole thread has answered the questions long before he showed up.
Wars are rarely started purely from one side or the other, what is at question is proportionality.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The Israelis are such victims...they are all so oppressed and are only allowed out of their ghettos if they have the right papers. Oh, wait...those aren't Israelis. Those are the "dirty brown Arabs", the Palestinians who the Israelis are oppressing.
My outrage is directed at people like you who refuse to explore both sides of the issue, and refuse to accept that both sides have legitimate complaints. Until you walk a mile in a Palestinian's shoes, you are nothing but a racist and an ignorant savage.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
This is nothing but European invaders taking land. It is a state where Jews have rights and others do not. Sort of like Jim Crow laws, except Yaweee or whatever his evil name made the rules. The US should quit Israel and let them solve their own issues.
If you gave me my choice of a ticket to Sderot in the Negev of southern Israel or Gaza City in the Gaza Strip today, I think I know which I'd pick.
Hmm Sderot, that doesn't look very good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfvBGzMZcE8 (Sderot bleeds from Kassams)
But, it is in the Negev (southern Israel) and according to this tourist video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j8yOEnSrLg (Negev Tourism Video 2007)
Lets see, we have, hiking, biking, camping, food, tours, horseback riding, easy access to two airports, plantations, cutting edge of science, technology and farming, easy access to resorts on the dead sea and elsewhere, and last but not least amazing historical ruins. Cool. OK. Missiles still bad though.
But, lets see what Gaza has to offer before I decide, and to be fair, lets check in on Gaza before the war, since asking for a comparison during the war may be unfair.
I think, if you'd given me that choice of tickets a few months ago, I'd have chosen the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTdEhakjgY (Gaza then)
If you gave me that choice a year ago, I'd have chosen the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUV4OWaUTyQ (Gaza then)
If you gave me that choice 5-6 years ago, I'd have still chosen the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&fe... (Gaza then)
If you gave me that choice 50-55 years ago, I would still pick the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXTdEhakjgY
(Yes, this film really is from Gaza strip in 1950)
Different times, different administrators, but the Gaza strip is ... unchanged.
Lets see, they still have ... ruins.
Yes, I'll take Sderot. This does not make the Kassams nice, or good or pleasant and certainly not right, but it should give some perspective.
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