CDC Monitors High Number of Deaths from H1N1 in Pregnant Women
This is startling news. Until we know if there's a connection, pregnant women should be very careful. Talk to your doctor about whether you should have Tamiflu in reserve:
THURSDAY, Oct. 1 (HealthDay News) -- Twenty-eight pregnant women in the United States had died from H1N1 swine flu as of the end of August, and 100 pregnant women had been hospitalized in intensive care, federal health officials said Thursday.
While the officials said they've never tracked deaths of pregnant women from seasonal flu, the number of deaths from the H1N1 flu could be significant.
"These are really upsetting numbers," Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during an afternoon press conference.
"We have obstetricians here at CDC who are coordinating the outreach as well as the surveillance efforts around it," she said. "And they're talking to doctors around the country who have never seen this kind of thing before. We don't track seasonal flu. We haven't in the past tracked seasonal flu complications in pregnancy. But what we are seeing is quite striking."
Schuchat said it's not yet clear whether there is something different about the H1N1 flu's effect on pregnant women, or whether researchers are noticing its effect on pregnant women more because the virus is being monitored closely.
"But I think the obstetric caregivers here and the ones that we're speaking with have rarely seen this kind of thing in practice," she said.
Schuchat urged pregnant women to get both the seasonal flu vaccine and the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, which will be available starting next week. Seasonal flu vaccines are already available.
"We encourage caregivers to vaccinate pregnant women or refer them to a place where they can be vaccinated," she said.
She also stressed that women, doctors and nurse midwives should remember that "antiviral medicine [such as Tamiflu] can be a very important treatment for pregnant women who have respiratory illness and influenza-like symptoms."
Take this jab at your own risk. If something happens you can't sue Big Pharm. They have been granted immunity from their screws up with this rush job..
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are these pregnant women dying from the flu or the flu treatment?
There is a difference, no?
I hope the herds think before rushing out in a state of fear and terror busting down the doors and trampling people to get this jab.
that my first grandchild (a girl..."Stella Luna") is due in February. Which makes my son's GF a prime target for the jabs.
AND they're in L.A. Big City...lots and lots of people running around ill when they should be home.
I don't trust especially the new H1N1 jab.
This is a really scary quagmire for me as a nurse.
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especially taken by pregnant women and after the vaccine? I think I quickly read something about that.
The H1N1 vaccine is made of the same stuff, the same way, as seasonal flu vaccines. If you look at how many people die yearly from seasonal flu, vs the people who die yearly from the vaccine, the numbers aren't comparable. I don't know why people get so freaked out over the toxins in vaccines, yet don't seem to care that there's mercury (real mercury) in the cfl bulbs, and you know some of those get broken in homes, and there are deadly poisons all around us in people's lawn chemicals, not to mention the shit in the air from car exhaust and rocket fuel in breastmilk. We live in a very, very toxic world, and to me, the toxins in the flu vaccine are like a spit in the ocean.
I ask people every time I see one of the light bulbs in their homes or when I see someone buying them if they know that there is a process to go through to clean up a broken bulb. They never know, and when I tell them what the problem is, they look at me like I'm crazy.
And those little fuckers may feel more sturdy than a regular light bulb, but they'll still break if you drop them. I had one start fizzing and smoking one time while it was in the socket...electrician told me it was normal.
The first one I saw reported in this area said that the mom had an 'underlying condition', but the baby was delivered and is thriving.
The second one was back in August, and there has been nothing about an 'underlying condition'.
Scary stuff. Is pregnancy the issue?
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I know I couldnt' when I was nursing.
It's not ethical to test drugs on pregnant or nursing women, so effects just aren't known. It may be safe, it may be safer than H1N1 should that flu seem to be particularly deadly to pregnant women.
But there's no way to test this. This will be the test. Women who take the gamble and take Tamiflu will be monitored for reactions to both them and their babies.
That's how they determined Zoloft is relatively safe for pregnant women suffering pre-partum depression while the other SSRIs, Paxil and Prozac, are not.
Okay, so, just to throw some cold water on here, again: seasonal flu kills between 20,000 and 36,000 people annually. The pregnancy rate for women 15-44 is about 10%. So it's hardly surprising that 28 pregnant women have died of the flu this year; that doesn't exactly seem excessive, now does it?
The CDC is really doing their best to sell a panic without any real justification. Time to buy stock in Roche pharmaceuticals!
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idU...
It is NOT normal that the mortality rate from this flu is so heavy among the relatively young.
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like the elderly, and the very young, who die. This is freakish.
... this virus sends the immune system of some people into over drive. That is why relatively healthier people are dying of H1N1, because their immune systems are stronger and can do more damage when "misdirected"
I.e. a lot of people are dying by choking literally to dead due to the high production of secretions in the lungs by their own immune systems.
For certain strains the problem isn't the flu itself but the immune response that it provokes. That is why the Spanish flu was so deadly. Those with the strongest immune systems are most at risk. I'm not eligible for my free shot yet precisely because I'm older and was exposed to a related strain in my youth. Those of us over fifty are likely to have some residual immunity. Children first is fine with me considering they are the most likely vector and at the highest risk.
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with the mob mentality. Angry or not.
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anti-vaccine nonsense is unbecoming and a bane on liberalism
factor into this, should they.
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the vaccine and are toxic. Big Pharma pounces on any opportunity to make a few bucks. Take Gardisil for example. It is relatively ineffective against the majority of viruses that cause genital warts, has killed at least 7 girls, made many others ill, and may work some of the time. How can it be proven that it works? How do you prove a negative? If a person does not get cervical cancer and has been vaccinated, does that prove that Gardisil works? Now Big Pharma is trying to make vaccinations with Gardisil mandatory for school children, and wants boys to be included in the mandate. They also want all people immigrating into this country to be required to be vaccinated. Will you be getting your shots?
... this is the flu vaccine we're talking about. So I have no clue why you decided to take that tangential excursion.
Gardasil is supposed to be targeted against HPV not genital warts, for what it is worth. And who did tell you that boys were going to be forcefully mandated to vaccinate for HPV, because whoever told you that... he or she was blowing smoke up your a**.
Go here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealthNews/g...
BTW: HPV is the cause of genital warts.
Seeing as boys are somewhat unlikely to get cervical cancer a conservative approach is warranted. Genital warts you can live with. Cancer, not so much.
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and it wasn't cervical. It is also almost always a man's cancer. And I got HPV from a guy.
me-oww!
even if you are not. You are the one advocating for vaccinations. Good thing it's a freeish country.
No one in the medical community was thinking seriously about vaccinating boys for the HPV.
Not all the HPV strains are associated with genital warts, the reason why mandatory vaccination was suggested was because there is a large percentage of women infected with the strains of the virus with no wart manifestation. So they have no clue they are carriers.
That was my point. Who pays the lobbyists?
Not all of the HPV strains are killed by Gardisil. Very few are. But all warts are caused by viruses.
Go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_13plsrydPY
As for mandated vaccinations, think smallpox, whooping cough, polio, measles. Everything I said is true. As you say to many others, I am not here to do your research.
and listening to numbkulls like Jenny McCarthy does not constitute research. Yes some people ( very few) have adverse reactions to vaccines. On the other hand we also know how many people those diseases used to kill and cripple. It's a hell of a lot more.
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I agree that many vaccines do more harm than good. But I no longer trust drug companies to do anything other than make profits. They falsify research. They are corrupt. If you want to believe otherwise, feel free.
McCarthy has ever said or written. I make up my own mind, and I resent your implications that I follow anyone.
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"...good than harm."
the polio, tetnus, Hep B, and HPV vaccines are very good at protecting us from those dreaded diseases. As for the others, I feel they are unneccessary. Also, why the hell the Hep B is given to newborns other than for profit is beyond me. Hep B is a blood-born disease. unless the newborn is an IV drug abuser or is having sex...than the only other way for transmission is from a Hep B infected mom during vaginal delivery. So...ummm...couldn't they just do a blood test on the mom before the delivery?
the tiniest shred of evidence that the preservatives are responsible for any adverse side effect they shouldn't.
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? Injecting mercury is healthy? Does that mean mercury in fish is okay? What amount of mercury is harmless? Who did the studies I presume you are citing from?
However you can easily use Google Scholar to search pretty much all of the papers on the research relating to thimerosal and you won't find a single one that has found any link between it and any health effect. Seeing as the amount of mercury in a vaccine is about the same as you'd get from eating a couple of salmon dinners the results were unsurprising.
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the research that says that Thimersol is harmless? The drug companies? What about squalene?
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Are preservatives necessary? Are these toxic preservatives necessary? Would mere refrigeration be sufficient to preserve them without the chemicals? Is there something more effective or just as effective that could be used to preserve them that would cost a little more?
capitalism rearing it's ugly head again.
There's usually something that's safe, effective and efficient, but costs a lot more, hence some CEO would have to do without a gold-plated toilet in his office watercloset.
... neither do you, unless you have a degree in the field.
For what it is worth, I believe most vaccines should be provide free of charge and managed by the public health institutions.
As long as we have the for-profit aspect in health care we will always be asking those questions.
Agree.
Guess what?
People who believe that the authorities lie to them and betray them, routinely and per policy, are far more prone to swallow conspiracy theories whole than those who don't. Thus buying into a different but just as poisonous set of lies.
This is a crisis of legitimacy, and it's been created by the leaders themselves.
I don't have much patience with the anti-vaxers. Andrew Wakefield was such a great role model! :sarcasm:
But the Liberal establishment has much to answer for. Their serial flagrant betrayals of their own constituency have helped create this state of affairs.
Lies and betrayal by the Republicans, we're accustomed to.
Yeah, I'm talking about Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton. Harry Reid. Nancy Pelosi. And the list of guilty parties could go on for megabytes.
So, apparently from your perspective, that is acceptable? Only the ..."Liberal establishment has much to answer for." I don't think you are completely wrong. I think your perspective is skewed.
stepping stone for an unrelated point in your post.
bite me. I was responding, not starting something. If not, never mind.
I am coming down from Xena mode as I had to fight for someone today. Takes me a while to calm down.
... maybe you should check first, before insulting me.
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that no, I wasn't originally replying/talking to you.
However, you decided to be an ass for whatever reason.
Cheers.
I posted at 16:28 and you posted at 16:38.
Other than you just can't seem to bring yourself to apologize and move on.
You're never wrong, got it.
cheers.
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on a rant against whoever it was the author felt like bitching. He/she simply used the vaccination as a jumping point for his rant. I find that disingenuous to say the least.
I know a pregnant woman (first trimester) with h1n1. She was given Tamiflu, but kept vomiting the pills and everything else, so she's in the hospital now for severe dehydration. Dehydration hits pregnant women particularly hard (ask any woman who had had hyperemesis). Thus far, her problem has been from the inability to keep fluids down.
Isn't it?
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there's a reason most big pharmaceutical companies wouldn't touch flu vaccines with a ten foot pole. It's quite simple really. Influenza is a very hard to hit target mutating as it does with startling rapidity. Mass immunizations are required to have a significant chance of slowing the bitch down and therefore dose pricing must be low and margins razor thin. You don't get any credit for the hundreds of thousands of lives potentially saved but you are an evil murdering capitalist for the rare few who have an adverse reaction. So the few companies that will perform this important public service will only do it under government contract with limited liabilities related to due care in production of the vaccine. Large scale testing is, of course impossible because of lead times involved in production and the swift mutation of this bug. I'm going to get a shot at the earliest opportunity and to those of you uninterested in the statistics and actual science and who are willing to take your chances I urge you to consider the possibly lethal potential consequences to those around you who you will inevitably infect. Every single person who gets this presents an opportunity for the mutation that might turn this into another Spanish Flu. Get a shot for pity's sake.
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I was never anti-flu vax, but as I've only gotten the flu vax twice in 32 years, and have only had the flu twice (not the same years), I had been banking on probably not getting the flu, like I haven't most years. But I already know a dozen people with the h1n1 flu. I have several family members who would find the flu fatal, most likely. I was leaning toward getting it for myself maybe, but what cemented it for me was the involvement of our local kids' cancer hospital, St. Jude. They're a world leader in the treatment of cancer in kids, as well as a host of other health issues. They are a bunch of brilliant scientists, and they are taking part in the development of this flu vaccine. I trust THEIR judgment, since they know infinitely more about this subject than I ever could, even with Google by my side. I will be getting this vax for myself and my two small kids. Even if piggy flu is just a more widespread version of seasonal flu, those two times I had seasonal flu I felt like complete and utter shit. If I can save myself and my kids that, then I will.
A wise decision.
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and I'll get it. I'll take whatever they give me. I work in ICU and we care for all kinds of patients from all over the U.S. and in some cases other countries. When looking at the odds I'll take my chance with a vaccine rather than take my chance with whatever mysterious crud my next patient comes in with (yes, I just ended a sentence with a preposition).
Also, it's my understanding that H1N1 causes some over-the-top respiratory issues including hypersecretions. Anyone feeling the least little bit short of breath should proceed immediately to the nearest ER.
and as one, I got news for you missy...if you worked last flu season, then you probably were already exposed to the swine flu. but, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and take the shot. Me personally, I know the CDC, hospitals, pharmaceutical corps, and doctors we work for don't give a rats ass about us, but boy do they luv their VIP parking their vaccine profits help pay for
The CDC put out that propaganda report JUST 1 DAY after a report that said pregnant women are hesitant to take the SWINE FLU vaccine. I did the research and according to the CDC themselves...936 people died from the PLAIN 'OLE influenza vaccine from Sept 1st to 15th alone!!! How many of those were pregnant women? oh, umm...who knows, the CDC report on that one is...umm....incomplete. Look, I'm a nurse, and my opinion on this matter is that swine flu has already swept through the country. It proved itself FAR LESS potent than the plain 'ole flu and, guess what? It's been around a whole lot longer than 1 year.
What we're worried about is if one of the subsequent waves mutates into something worse.
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on an IV sodium ascorbate while the Doctors ponder a diagnosis.
from the wayback time machine:
in 1949 the worst of the worst cases of polio took 72 hours to cure.
The Clinical Experiences of Frederick R. Klenner, MD states that cases of influenza, encephalitis, and measles were easily cured with vitamin C injections and oral doses.
Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics, 1999 found that vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.
Orthomed.com – Dr. Robert Cathcart, MD, also offers personal case studies where intravenous administration of vitamin C turned out to be lifesaving in cases of acute flu complications.
“It is not really a matter of medicine; it is a matter of chemistry. Doses of ascorbate which are massive enough to force a reducing redox potential into tissues affected by the disease will always neutralize the free radicals,” Cathcart says.
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