'We're Turning Insurance Companies Into Halliburton-Style Monopolies'
I think Marcy Wheeler makes the single most compelling argument here about the precedent of a private health insurance mandate:
And for those who promise we’ll go back and fix this later, once we achieve universal health care, understand what will have happened in the meantime. The idea, of course, is to establish some means to get people single payer coverage (before Lieberman, this would have been through a public option or Medicare buy-in) and, over time, expand it.
In fact, this bill will move toward single payer, too–though not the kind we want. For the large number of people who live in a place where there is limited competition, this bill will require them to get health care through the oligopoly or monopoly provider. It’ll work great for the provider: they will be able to dictate rates. But the Senate bill allows these blossoming single payer providers to keep up to 25% of the benefit in profits and marketing costs, and pass little of that benefit onto citizens. If we make private corporations our single payer, how are we going to convince them to cede control when we ask them to let the government be the single payer?
The reason this matters, though, is the power it gives the health care corporations. We can’t ditch Halliburton or Blackwater because they have become the sole primary contractor providing precisely the services they do. And so, like it or not, we’re dependent on them. And if we were to try to exercise oversight over them, we’d ultimately face the reality that we have no leverage over them, so we’d have to accept whatever they chose to provide. This bill gives the health care industry the leverage we’ve already given Halliburton and Blackwater.
It’s the 9.8% tithe that bothers me the most. But for those who think we can fix it, consider this, too. If the Senate bill passes, in its current form, it will mean that the health care industry was able to dictate–through their Senators Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson–what they wanted the US Congress to do. They will have succeeded in dictating the precise terms of legislation.
Now, that’s not the first time that has happened. It certainly happened on telecom immunity. It certainly has happened, repeatedly, on Defense contracting (see also Randy Cunningham). But none of these egregious instances of corporations dictating legislation included a tithe–the requirement that citizens pay corporations to provide their service, rather than allowing the government to contract the service.
This is a fundamentally different relationship we’re talking about–one that gives corporations vast new powers. And the fact that–with one temper tantrum from Joe Lieberman–the corporations were able to dictate the terms of this new relationship deeply troubles me.
When this passes, it will become clear that Congress is no longer the sovereign of this nation. Rather, the corporations dictating the laws will be.
I understand the temptation to offer 30 million people health care. What I don’t understand is the nonchalance with which we’re about to fundamentally shift the relationships of governance in doing so.
We’ve seen our Constitution and means of government under attack in the last 8 years. This does so in a different–but every bit as significant way. We don’t mandate tithing corporations in this country–at least not yet. And it troubles me that so many Democrats are rushing to do so, without considering the logical consequences.
Axelrod: "He's certainly not writing this bill. But the notion that we would let our personal feelings about one person defeat a bill that would deliver to people who don't have insurance the opportunity to get it at a price they can afford; that would defeat a bill that has patient protections that we fought for for decades, for people who do have insurance; to defeat a bill that will bend the curve on, on this inexorable rise in health-care costs, is insane."
.....if he thinks we will believe him.
I watched him on Tweety. Lying through his teether, and trying to demonize Dean.
They are going to be shocked at the blowback. I'll vote for Dean if he runs again. Or Kucinich who was my first choice. O-Bomb-A is a failure--but a quick one.
government.
There is absolutely no way in HELL that a "law" can be passed that FORCES US to purchase health insurance from a "for-profit" corporation.
Especially if the policy does not provide "affordable, quality health care".
Plus the threat of fines/penalites/jail for non-compliance? When we are all already paying too much in freakin' taxes that go to support every single thing The Pentagon/CENTCOM demands. Illegal invasions/occupations/war crimes!!
Something is TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY wrong here folks.
I just hope there are some hot shot lawyers in this country getting ready to go after the Obama Administration/Congress for this rotten POS legislation.
And don't get me wrong. I would be THRILLED if they had crafted a bill where a Canadian style system would be enacted and the payment would be out of our taxes. Everyone under one standardized tent suits me fine.
But this is nothing more than the insurance corporations buying these legislators and getting them to bail them out. This bail out, at the expense of ordinary working Americans will be no different than the way Paulson/Geithner robbed the U.S. Treasury for Wall Street.
A crime is being committed here folks!!!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
bailout? It's not a bailout. It's a raping and pillaging. The insurance companies don't need a bailout. They are already making money hand over fist. A bailout assumes they are in financial trouble and need our help. Quite the contrary. We are in financial trouble and need to get rid of the insurance companies. It's not a bailout. It's a crime!
Acutally Abbywood, there are some blog posters who say yes the government can do this under the the taxation clause of consititution. I, myself find that to be bullpucky. It will also come back to haunt the Democratic party in 2012, and 2016 if the bill as stands now passes.
I propose a law that prevents Congress from owning stock in health insurance companies.
I propose a law that says that any Congressional payraise has to be voted on every four years by the people.
Also, no government healthcare for them, and only two weeks vacation a year. No days off to campaign. No days off for intl boondoggles.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
But but but...we have to fall in line!! Bill Clinton said so...and he's our god!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
......to silence Bill clinton's "advice". Now he'll have to put his energy into defending himself once again, so I won't have to tell him to STFU.
where does it end? What is the limit in your minds on the federal government's power to compel an individual by law you to do something?
Millions of Americans are simply going to tell the government to fuck off and not be mandated, whether based on principle and/or lack of principal. What then?
If this mandate becomes law without public option and/or medicare option there will be blood, figuratively speaking at a minimum.
Gee...I could have sworn that I was told that the lack of a public option didn't necessarily mean that there wouldn't be limitations on competition.
Hmmmm....who said that now.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
"And it troubles me that so many Democrats are rushing to do so, without considering the logical consequences."
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Democrats think they need at least a paper legacy. The ability to say "hey, we passed a bill!" or that they won't be elected again in the future. Media elites like Chris Matthews insisting that passage of some bill is necessary are why Democrats are looking at such a hollow victory as essential.
Getting health care reform done right is impossible now. All Obama wants is to get something passed to avoid the media onslaught accusing Democrats of failure if they reject what the Senate health reform bill has become.
Gee...now we can go on that mandate with George Bush.
Thank you, Democrats!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Except next time these behemoths will be even stronger having had years of mandatory premiums pumped into them.
Next time around they'll be able to afford ten Liebermans; meanwhile, the middle class will have pumped 20% of their income (give or take with government subsidies) into high copay/deductible policies which may or may not pay when they need it.
We get weaker; they get stronger.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
They like you weak. You don't struggle as much when they shove it up your ass.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Let's see how the government deals with fining and jailing millions of Americans. This is something they can't mandate. Even if they want to, it's just not possible to enforce the law. It's worthless!
There is no way in hell I will be forced to buy insurance. Send me to jail fuckers. Obama, if you don't veto this piece of shit you will not make it out of the primary in 2012. Even worse the fucking idiot Republican voters are going to come out in droves in 2010 because they do not understand one thing about this bill. In their ignorant minds they are convinced that it is socialism. We are so screwed.
..when 8.8 $BILLION in cash went missing in Iraq in 2003. That's one hell of a slush fund. 363 tonnes of $100 bills. Imagine how many officials can be bribed with that, how many judicial decisions reversed, how many congress-critters purchased.
And no-one seems to question the outrageous fact that no real effort was ever made to find out where the money went.
The same people who planned to steal it perhaps?
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/wp-content/u...
HEY...I just heard that as part of financial reform...the Dems want to require that every American have a bank account and if you don't...they're gonna fine you and lock you up.
If you don't have any money, the banks will be required to lend it to you...at whatever interest rate they want...and if you don't pay it back...you'll be fined and they're gonna lock you up!
It's all to increase the U.S. savings rate! BRILLIANT!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
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Sorry...it's called "satire".
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
ya got me.
It's just that nothing is too bizarre for this congress.
Is gonna kick your door down jam a machine pistol in your ear and politely inform you that you've maxed out your overdraft.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I've been saying that for months,
With government mandates to buy insurance,
Minimum restructuring of their policies
Little or no public option
Continued Medical Loss Ratio
And continued Wall Street trading in "health care" stocks
Another business too big to fail
And a new stock bubble would be the result.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Don't worry. The American People would never allow them to fail.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Meet Box.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
'We're Turning Insurance Companies Into Halliburton-Style Monopolies'
Don't worry...the Democrats will fix it later.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Riiight..........
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Well...at least we're no longer standing in place.
Be POSITIVE! It will all be fixed LATER!!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Dont worry...it will all be fixed LATER.
We just need to vote the same guys back in again...and then they promise...really really really promise...not to fuck us this time.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
15 Health Insurance Stocks to Watch Post-Public Option
August 17, 2009
In an astute political move, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius on Sunday said that providing citizens with the option of government-run insurance is not essential to the Obama administration's overhaul of U.S. health care. Evidently, the administration has caved on this very important issue, leaving the door open for private health insurance companies to move forward with creative products and profits for shareholders. Of course the devil will be in the details, but at fist glance Team Obama will expand health using cooperatives similar to the public/private scheme in the domestic utility industry.
Here are potential winners for investors to explore.
Ohhhh...Kathleen Sibelius. She's our hero!! It must be true then.
Quick...send them more money!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
She refused to take campaign contributions from the insurance industry and blocked the proposed merger of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas, the state's largest health insurer, with an Indiana-based company. Sebelius's decision marked the first time the corporation had been rebuffed in its acquisition attempts.
Maybe when your selected for a position by a President your required to under go electro shock or some kind of memory erasing treatment right after taking oath and moving to D.C.
No. Bill Clinton comes to your office and tells you to fall in line.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Rule Number One
Rule Number Two - Fuck the base. They're gonna vote for us anyway. Where else they gonna go..
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Take all prescribed medications and be afraid, very afraid.
Rule 4 No matter who it pisses off...Joe Lieberman keeps his chairmanships.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
All ideas and communications must first be approved by the Bush Sales Rejection Department.
Located in the White House Basement.
Rule 6 Fuck the polls. It's all about the corporate dollars.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Bend over?
Bend over?
Y'all say that like it's something bad to hear from a professional.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
between the left wing "single payer" and right wing "can't have'er" health care systems is truly astounding. Let no one say that having no intelligence qualification for eligibility to vote does not have dire consequences.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Tonite On Hardball - Liberal Netroots, are they ungrateful bastards?
Special Guest - Bill Clinton
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
:)
Corruption favors the wealthy.
opposes this lump of coal.
He already did. Last nite. Said that the liberals should "fall in line behind the President".
Again...simple message to us...STFU and suck it, bitches.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
sitting next to him nodding off?
He wrote the talking points. Then they went off to play golf together.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
... given Axelrod's comments as well, they actually appear to think that scolding and insulting are the way to go.
They really don't have a clue just how angry so many people are with them. Clinton's old trick may not work as well as before. By 1994 many of his supporters had turned apathetic by his numerous corpratist betrayals. No big deal for him, he and his corporate buddies had a free hand.
But what if the base stays mad and doesn't turn apathetic?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
I think John should invite Bill Clinton to come here so he can tell us to fall in line in person.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Insurance Stocks. Get in early for the Health Insurance Bubble.
Being I'm over qualified to even flip burgers looks like all options are on the table.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Prediction 1: The loopholes is this legislation will allow private insurance companies to continue to screw not only their old customers, but also the millions of new customers who are coerced into paying the bloated salaries of their CEOs.
Prediction 2: Everyone will be shocked.
Prediction 3: Americans will sit back and take it.
Prediction 4: Joe Lieberman will talk about how he warned the Dems about this.
Prediction 5: Howard Dean will appear on Countdown and no one will care.
Prediction 6: Bill Clinton will remind liberals that they were the ones who called for healtcare reform...so...it's their fault.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Prediction 7: They take me to jail after I put my foot up Droopy's ass.
Prediction 8: A strong, real Third Party forms and shows Obama and Palin the exit door.
NOBODY 2012
Why would that happen?
Well, it appears that at least PhRMA got the President it wanted.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
No. They got the Chief of Staff and former President they wanted.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
So?
/snark off.
Yes, we are tithing to corporations. We have been. We always will be when the corporations run "OUR" guv-mint.
when will the demos learn that their elected officials are in bed with the lobbyists just like the repubs.
they have to be to win elections for the money. corp money.
they pretend to represent their voters to get the votes.
this is not change we can believe in unless you are a CEO of a health insurance company.
check history it is always a class stuggle between the have mores and the have nots.
americans have yet to learn that lesson.
in europe they would be hitting the streets about now but not us.
too lazy to get off our lazy boys. let the gov do it for us.
elect a saviour to do the work for ya.
very christian idea.
the black saviour turned out to be a have more. go figure.
until millions hit the streets in america nothing much will change and that will not happen until third world status comes to us if then.
americans had too many years of wealth to have the guts to do something about it.
go to any college campus and see how much the young care. they cannot get off their cell phones long enough to care.
but as the world teaches we learn very important lessons in life from our mistakes and greed.
karma is like a cosmic mirror it feeds right back to us what we have done in selfishness or love or war or nation building or greed, well you get the picture.
With talk about eliminating the filibuster itself through a rule change, I did a quick search for when BIll Frist was threatening to do it, back in 2005. Here's one story that in one respect is amusing or ironic, because if the Dems did it today you'd basically have the same arguments pro and con, except just flip the parties....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles...
But that doesn't seem to be the problem. We could have avoided, and still can avoid, a filibuster through reconciliation (or at least seeing if the Republicans could even maintain a filibuster).
But that's been taken off the table.
Dems have the bill they wanted; they just need some scapegoats.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The only possible saving grace I can find in passing a Bill that has mandates and no PO, or whatever, is that down the line (sometime around 2020), it will become so apparent to the American people that health care costs are out of control, that indeed we might finally have the conditions to convince the majority of the people that single payer is the only logical solution.
Of course, in the meantime the Democratic party would have found itself in the about the same situation as the GOP following McCain's defeat. But maybe that too is the price to pay because down the road there would therefore be an epic confrontation between the free market Republicans and the majority of the population who are no longer (finally!l) being taken in by all the anti single-payer fear mongering.
A distant light, flickering....in the darkness of today.
You'll have those conditions without passing this bill, and the insurance companies won't have gotten any richer.
That seems a win win for me.
Kill the bill.
Oh...wait...it's "later"...have the Democrats fixed the legislation?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Public opinion is strongly on the side of both Medicare for All and a public option despite months of propaganda against public plans.
We have public opinion on our side. We are not a well informed minority that needs to get the word out. We've done that, and we've won.
But then there's all this bribe money.... raining so thickly that it obscures the light, blotting it's brightness and causing it to seem only but a flicker.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Read Rule 6 above.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I will tell you one thing no matter what these ignorant lying sons of bitches tell me I have to do! I refuse tp pay insurance companies for health insurance no matter who says it lets see the bastards come and collect it!
You come lieberman you and the other son of a bitch mcconnell you come yourselves and try to collect! I dare you!
Could someone please tell me how the lack of a public option will not negatively impact on our ability to keep the insurance companies in line?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Before its demise, the public option was only to be an available choice for 1-2% of the population.
In other words, it was made irrelevant before it was made nonexistent.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
it was made irrelevant before it was made nonexistent.
Kinda like the Democratic base.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Hoo baaaaby...I'm feelin' healthcare reformed already. I'm a fallin' right in line there...yeee hah!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
And the Obama Admin, the demo congress and little billy clinton don't care. We've got ours, so fuck you, is basically their message. Fuck the left, fuck the entire population that wants single payer or medicare for all, drug reimportation, public option, just go to hell.
There is a precedent for mandating insurance, think car insurance, and the jails are full of people who can't pay, but can't get to work without a car. Fuck 'em. Spend 20,000 incarceration fees to insure a thousand bucks in mandatory insurance. Nice trade off. Oh sure, theorectically, they have a CHOICE not to drive, but practically, many don't.
We have no real choice to go without health care, we just go without. But now we can be punished if we don't shovel more $$ to the insurance monsters. I can imagine the insurance police stopping people on the street, "insurance card, please" and taking you to the insurance jail. Or just have the police do roadblocks, and get people for seat belts, car insurance and health insurance violations. They'll get a commission, too.
What a crock.
Healthcare was one piece of legislation that most of the US paid attention to because of how much reform was needed. We actually followed the process and watched the "sausage" being made. We did not like, and were indeed shocked, to see how our own government works. A shocking civics lesson. What we learned:
1.The Supreme Court had declared that wealthy and powerful corporations have the same legal rights of free speech that individual human being citizens have.
2. That the Court has declared money a form of speech thus lawmakers cannot restrict it's influence in politics and law making. Now wealthy and powerful corporations can buy the kind of system (and political parties) they want and ignore the people's needs.
3. That anxious citizens can be frightened to death by words like socialism, fascism, communism, Islamism, terrorism, etc. and have little idea what these words actually mean or believe what con artists tell them they mean.
4. That the people of this country are much less power that they ever imagined and are at the mercy of the wealthy and powerful.
"SO."
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
... than it has been at least in my lifetime. More and more people are getting a peak behind the curtain.
That's not insignificant.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The last time I peaked behind the curtain...I got slapped...and a former President told me to fall in line.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
After all, have you ever seen Bill Clinton behind a curtain where there wasn't a line? Heck, they had to repeatedly sanitize every polling booth he ever used.
In any case, it's not like we didn't slap back. Handing Hillary one defeat after another in the primaries was a significant victory.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
EDINBURGH -- The expenses racked up by U.S. lawmakers traveling here for a conference last month included one for the "control room."
Besides rooms for sleeping, the 12 members of the House of Representatives rented their hotel's fireplace-equipped presidential suite and two adjacent rooms. The hotel cleared out the beds and in their place set up a bar, a snack room and office space. The three extra rooms -- stocked with liquor, Coors beer, chips and salsa, sandwiches, Mrs. Fields cookies and York Peppermint Patties -- cost a total of about $1,500 a night. They were rented for five nights.
While in Scotland, the House members toured historic buildings. Some shopped for Scotch whisky and visited the hotel spa. They capped the trip with a dinner at one of the region's finest restaurants, paid for by the legislators, who got $118 daily stipends for meals and incidentals.
Eleven of the 12 legislators then left the five-day conference two days early.
Eleven of the 12 legislators then left the five-day conference two days early.
They had doctor's appointments
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
red-faced, alcoholic lawmakers arguing about how transparent the national health care bill should be.
The HCR bill as dictated to our representatives by the health insurance and drug industries is worthwhile ONLY to them.
Tear it up--start all over.
I really need a good bill, due to age and pre-conditions.
I will not be raped by these industries. i will not buy insurance from these criminals. I'll not pay a fine. I'll go to jail and let the feds feed and house me. I need the reading time. My low paying job is OK, but not if I am not allowed to keep enough of my wage for "the pursuit of happiness".
while you're incarcerated, you'll have access to government run healthcare and DENTAL . . . and, most likely, a computer so you can continue to blog. Win-win.
prison is looking good right now...
NOBODY 2012
Honest to God...I'm ready to explode with these ass holes...armey, bennett, etc. etc.
Such scum sucking pigs.
Don't forget our scum suckin pigs...Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Baucus, Nelson...
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
What is insane is that democrats who are able aren't storming the streets of Washington throwing rocks, screaming at the top of their lungs, and showing the scum sucking corporatist democrats like Nelson, Baucus, and Conrad how absolutely unfuckingacceptable this shit is!
If we take this lieing down we are nothing short of brain dead cowards too afraid to speak our minds and deserving of everything they hand us!
The squeaky wheel gets the greese folks. It is time for action, not words!
There's a REVOLUTION brewin' about this HC shit. (and all the other shit we're being told to accept)
I am also very tired of hearing Clinton represent my party. We need to remember Bill Clinton for what he really is and not what we have been brainwashed into thinking he is. His was the administration that reformed welfare, signed Nafta, and is responsible for the repeal of Glass Steagal which led us right to where we are economically. He too is republican light and does not represent me for sure, and his fucking opinion on healthcare reform is totally irrelevant to anyone with one iota of sense. Obama has betrayed us all, and now is trying to use Clinton to cover his ass!
Non-pharma out-of-pocket health expenditures, like health-club memberships, nutritious foods and supplements, must give way for providing livelihoods for state-approved paper-pushers, pushers of drugs and surgeries.
Guns, tasers and jail cells await wrong-choosers.
Talk about unhealthy.
It is known (if you believe the devil isn't man) that the devil will tell twelve truths to slip in one fatal lie. That goes for Haliburton. Get them out of our military. Let our soldiers do what soldiers do. They can wash clothes and cook bad food themselves. Bush set us up to free Haliburton from bankruptcy. They're in Dubai now. That did us a lot of good so...pull the plug. The same with Blackwater! Bush gave them the billions....Pull the plug. Our military can do what our military is trained to do. IT DOES NOT NEED THIS SHIT! Fuck Blackwater and Haliburton...seize their assets. And remove them from our borders or arrest them.
And if the republicans keep this up there will be a Civil War. And the only good Red is a Red that is DEAD! I Promise!
True Blue
Now, don't tell us we can't handle the insurance industry. Just become a Teddy Roosevelt American....NO MONOPOLIES......BE AN AMERICAN. TO HELL WITH THE DEVIL. There ain't no Satan, that is a scam! If there were a Satan he would have committed suicide by now...WE ARE ONE NATION UNDER GOD!
Corporations and big money have bought our government , they own it and have taken it over . I don't think Obama has the power ... the backing necessary to do much about it . "Maybe" I'm wrong to be blaming him personally and just don't know the whole story and the reasons for some of his moves and the disappointments . Honestly I'm not sure what to think . I do know the Democratic party is still one big cluster phluck .
come on I been telling everyone on here the demos will fold like a deck of cards on health care.
why is that?
I used to think they were just spineless now it appears they are in bed with the same lobbyists as the repubs
both sides need money to win elections so the demos have to appear to be for main street all the while sleeping with corp america
now journalists wont tell you this and I can not expalin why here or they wont post my comments but think deeply why and it will come to you.
capitalism will create an evil greedy society that is beholden to corp fascism.
and the journalists who are paid by corp america will not begin to tell you these things.
so line up americans and vote in capitalist after capitalist and watch your wages and standard of living sink like a rock.
corp america will not be satisfied until you will work for third world wages.
they are ten times smarter than most, in fact they have made capitalism synonyms with patroitism and nationalism and most bought it hook line and sinker.
I thought you breathlessly told us everything would be fine, we'd all have magical canadian drugs, and ponies too. 'Cuz Axelrod and his porn star mustache said so.
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