Obama To Announce Loans To Build Two Nuclear Reactors
I guess this means "clean coal" plants are next?
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama will announce on Tuesday plans for the government to help finance the construction of two nuclear reactors -- the first in nearly 30 years, a top US official said.
Obama, who has advocated reducing foreign energy dependency and cutting back on greenhouse gases, will use a 2005 law that authorizes the Energy Department to guarantee loans to projects that help reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Obama "has long believed that nuclear power should be part of our energy mix," a senior administration told AFP, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The 18.5 billion dollars in existing loan guarantee authority will be used to help finance the construction and operation of two new nuclear reactors at a Southern Company plant in Burke, Georgia.
Here's the thing: Nuclear power plants take a while to earn back investors' money, and until then, they often operate at a loss. They cost so much money to run, they won't close down the Vermont Yankee plant to discover the source of a radioactive substance that's leaking into the Connecticut River.
But hey, who doesn't love radioactive drinking water?
And because nuclear power plants are privately owned, what's to stop holding companies from moving the ownership into riskier corporate entities they could use to file bankruptcy, allowing them to walk away without expensive liabilities in the event of a nuclear accident? Nothing, really.
If anything in this country should be nationalized, it should be high-risk power plants. It's just common sense that for-profit companies will always put profit over safety.
And remember, we can't assume there'll always be a Democratic administration to inspect nuclear power.
wind farms, or tidal generator start-ups?
I guess I'll go make myself a drink while I wait...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
There have been hundreds of millions of dollars in GRANTS for these types of alternative energy production start ups within the past year.
Maybe you could explain why you would prefer that they get loans instead of out right grants?
Maybe you should lay off the drinking a bit. Maybe your memory will improve.
Geothermal is my personal favorite, which only needs to be scaled up to achieve economy of scale. Geothermal and wind have different advantages. Wind has the advantage that it can work as a cottage industry, whereas geothermal can't be done without a major infusion of corporate or government money.
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by individual homeowners with reasonable payback - especially now that the Obama administration (you know the exact same guys fastfeat thinks aren't helping anyone but nuclear plants) has implemented some very lucrative tax credits (30% of the cost - up to a $1,500 credit)
I know of 3 different people in Maine who have installed Geothermal with an expected payback of 3 to 4.5 years (it would have been longer without the credits)
That's good news, but I'd say screw the nuclear power plant loans, and give a 100% tax credit for geothermal. :)
Not to mention, build the components here in the US.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
That would make too much sense.
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Just curious, are you from Savannah Georgia, or is that your name? If you're from Georgia, despite getting two new nuclear reactors in your back yard, it could still be worse.
Did you know that the U.S. Air Force lost a hydrogen bomb in Wassaw Sound near Tybee island in 1958, and was never able to find it? Presumably it's still there, rusting away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tybee_Bomb
I just think Savannah, the city, is pretty. After what you just told me, I will never visit there, though. Thanks for the warning.
Obama must be counting on excellent relations with our enemies so there's no risk of another more devastating 911 scenario, this time with a crash into a nuclear power plant.
Any power supply with a government tie-in is extremely risky, I think.
Let me have access to technologies I can set up for myself, wind, water, geothermal, the entire range. Take control of it away from the government and away from private industry.
There hasn't always been a Democratic administration to inspect nuclear power. Are you talking about the inspection of the plant as is it constructed or the daily maintenance of the plant when it's functioning?
I live about 10 miles from a nuke plant (as the crow flies) and there are regular maintenance shut downs of the plant plus inspections as well. Nuke plants are not something I like, but as for the safety, there are a lot more things that concern me more.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You're lucky your local plant is reasonably safe. Vermont Yankee is NOT!!
Do you remember what happeded there? Didn't I just hear maybe a week or two ago about another plant that had some leaking pipes thta had let a lot of contamination into the soil.
I'm just not sure about this.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Probably the worst thing that could happen to that reactor did...
...and it was contained, no one died, damage was restricted to the reactor allowing the rest of the facility to continue operating, material release was minimal and despite decades of studies there's been no siginificant effect on the health of the surrounding population, demonstrating the effectiveness of the engineering that went into designing the plant.
Terrible. Wait, wait, that wasn't the point you were trying to make, was it?
The (68) current NRC licensed nuclear reactors online nationwide that are falling apart, leaking radioactive poison, have nowhere to store wasted fuel rods and are an accident away from meltdown?
Obama = George W. Bush with a smile.
Frank Zappa - Make A Jazz Noise Here
Has a nucular plant EVER paid back its investors, if you also consider taxpayer contributions as part of the "investment"? It's a serious question.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with GE (parent of the NBCs) being a large manufacturer of reactors, but I'll go for this if they're willing to bury the waste in Joe Lieberman's backyard.
"loan guarantees" by the federal government: (That would be "the taxpayers"):
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/fede...
I'd like to say this move by Obama "surprises" me...but after what I've seen from him to date, I've gotta say, "par for the course".
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
"because nuclear power plants are privately owned, what's to stop holding companies from moving the ownership into riskier corporate entities they could use to file bankruptcy, allowing them to walk away without expensive liabilities in the event of a nuclear accident? Nothing, really."
This is exactly what Entergy is trying to do with it's ancient reactors such as Vermont Yankee and Indian Point. They are trying to set up a paper company called Enexess (In Excess) that all of Entergy's debt, and only the aging reactors as assets. That way Entergy won't have to pay the half-billion dollars it's on the hook for decommissioning Vermont Yankee alone!
The Free Market has spoken and it wants nothing to do with nuclear power!
...is gonna have a fit when they hear about this.
(we wont even let them enrich uranium) ..but yet we keep building em'
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Although nuclear power plants are privately owned, we taxpayers have to insure them because no insurance company would even consider insuring a plant in case of another Three Mile Island or Chernobyl. God forbid a disaster like either of them happens again. Whatever happened to the free market the rightwing cretins are always crowing about?
Get out of the "health" business and insure the nuclear power plant business. Problem solved.
They make well look into it as long as there are government backstops.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Let's give the insurance business to AIG! *
This is PROOF the Obama is a COMMUNIST!!!1!!one
Obama is using Federal taxpayer money to guarantee the construction of new nuclear plants because:
PRIVATE CORPORATIONS REFUSE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH NUCLEAR POWER!!!
The entire nuclear power industry in the USA is 99% communist - funded by the people. No insurance company will dare cover a nuke plant!
The Fed has to build them, the Fed has to provide fuel, the Fed has to promise to take away the waste, the Fed has to pay for decommissioning, and the Fed has to store deadly waste for hundreds of thousands of years!
What's not to love about nuclear power! It's almost pure communism! The only part the Free Market will tolerate is the operation of the plant itself, when the Fed allows them to keep all the money they make selling the power. Private enterprise wouldn't dare even do that if the Fed wasn't there to pay for everything!
And let's not forget that when nuclear plants explode and thousands of square miles have to be evacuated, your insurance claims for your home are already declared void by the Fed! You are SOL!
Nuclear Power, Clean, Safe, Reliable, and too cheap to meter!
Excellent!
I'm gonna catch so much guff and be called a right wing loon and everything else on the planet, but so be it. Do you people think Nuclear reactors leak as a part of their normal operating process?
Are you aware that there are, currently in development, reactors that can burn the used fuel from other reactors? And then more reactors in dev that will burn the spent fuel from THOSE reactors?
These are the nuclear power plants that have actually broken down and caused damage:
# NRX (military), Ontario, Canada, in 1952
# EBR-I (military), Idaho, USA, in 1955
# Windscale (military), Sellafield, England, in 1957 (see Windscale fire)
# Santa Susana Field Laboratory (military), Simi Hills, California, in 1959
# SL-1, Idaho, USA in 1961. (US military)
# Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station (civil), Newport, Michigan, USA, in 1966
# Chapelcross, Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland, in 1967
# Lucens reactor, Switzerland, in 1969
# A1 plant at Jaslovské Bohunice, Czechoslovakia in 1977.
Out of FOUR-HUNDRED-THIRTY-SIX plants operating world wide. I'm sorry, but statistically you're flipping out over absolutely nothing at all. Reactor designs radically improve year after year. Later this year to earlier next year China is going to be putting into use THE safest reactor ever designed and constructed by man. They'll be building hundreds of them. And guess what? Nothing will happen.
Science and numbers beat scare tactics. I'm sorry, but you guys are wrong.
an actual sane comment on this subject here.
Thank you
this wasn't one.
But where is Three Mile Island, and Chernobyl on that list?
on nuclear power accidents get reported. But let's assume for a moment that your claims are accurate, and that there are no valid concerns regarding what to do with the spent fuel rods. Even if that's true, Obayhma could, for a fraction of the cost, invest in other energy sources, like wave generators, wind farms & solar, that produce no waste and carry no risk, while at the same time adhering to his campaign rhetoric, which is becoming more and more fictional with each passing week.
Here in Vermont, our aged and dying Vermont Yankee reactor has just been found to be pouring thousands of gallons of Tritium (radioactive water) into the ground just a couple hundred feet from the Connecticut river.
The NRC came up here and told the Vermont legislature that this is NOT a problem! Radioactive Tritium poisoning a river that passes through all of Massachusetts and Connecticut is just fine and NOT an 'accident' or any other kind of problem!
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Right, Tritium isn't water, I was thinking tritium in the ground water and it came out wrong...
So other than my liquid vs gas error everything else I said was 100% correct.
The allowed levels of tritium in drinking water is 20,000 picocuries per litre. The amount considered acceptable in non-drinking water is 30,000 picocuries per litre.
The water in the test well that exceeds drinking water standards is 22,300 picocuries. My god, that water must be simply glowing.
Incidentally, the EPA's 20,000 picocuries is 1/10 of Canada's allowable limit. We aren't dropping dead up here.
Can you say Chernobyl?
April 26 1986, it is still unsafe.
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On breeder reactors:
A discussion is here.
Given the enormous caveats that is an enormous IF. They produce a product that is extremely dangerous, the one use for which is another breeder reactor.
It is a slippery slope on the road to hell, and it is a one way street.
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Does anyone ever mention conservation?
Not since Jimmy Carter tried it and found what happens when a politician tries to make sense.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
geothermal resources were used.
coal. By all means, put the money into them, but you have to recognize that we can't supply our power needs with the alternative technology we have now. There is a lot of work to be done.
If you reject nuclear, you're supporting coal.
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I could get a job commenting on blogs. Do you think the Southern Company pays well for that kind of work?
With a questionable agenda. Different day.
And cheddar conveniently neglected to mention that Southern Company, the loan recipient, coerced Ga. legislators to by-pass the Public Service Commission and allow GA Power to begin charging residents a monthly 'pre-service tax' in 2011 to build the nuclear plants, which won't open until 2017. Nice setup to get it from us and through the IRS, too.
http://southernstudies.org/2009/03/power-poli...
I believe this now amounts to double taxation. Any lawyers who care to comment?
Oh, I apologize profusely for knowing more about nuclear reactors than people who have a kneejerk reaction every time they hear the word "fission", even though I've only been here a few minutes. I REALLY apologize for keeping up with current research in nuclear technology.
I REALLY apologize for only being here a few minutes, thereby discounting everything I say as nothing but trite.
Ever hear of appeal to authority? I've only been here a few minutes, so I must know NOTHING. I registered only to comment on this thread because the person making the post is entirely misinformed, as are most of the people replying. Nuclear energy is safe and we are working hard and fast on ways to make it clean. Breeder reactors are currently being constructed in Japan, China, and various European countries. These facilities use "SPENT" fuel to burn in their reactors. There are new generations coming out in the next few years that will then burn THAT "spent" fuel.
I'm a long time reader of CaL and that was my first comment ever. Just because of that does NOT mean that I don't know what I'm talking about. In fact, it means that you feel just because someone on the internet has only posted one comment, that comment is worthless.
I feel that is a more egregious attack on anyone who has never posted than ANYTHING I had to say about nuclear reactors.
I'm not sorry that I don't constantly post on pointless political back and forth crap. I am sorry that you think that people who have only posted once have less credibility than someone who's posted a thousand times.
Everything in my post was factual and correct. All I seem to be getting in response is "you're wrong" or "he hasn't posted enough" without any actual evidence to refute my claims.
But, being the internet, by all means, continue.
tons of actual evidence refuting your claims. Scroll, troll.
They are wrong. I have worked in nuclear power for over 20 years and the level of misinformation about commercial nuclear power is just staggering. i won't even waste my time trying to explain, because I will be called a shill or whatever. People don't want facts that disagree with their predetermined opinion. That type of thinking is what we attribute to the Teabaggers everyday. It is a shame that people who frequent this great site have the same behavior when it comes to nuclear power. It really stems from passion and rhetoric overriding logic and reason.
And the accidents in them are false?
And those are just the ones in the US. Save a few in Canada.
You can see the complete list here
What is your conceptual, continuity?
His post liedto maqke it seem there have been very few nuke plant accidents, when there have been a great deal. But, being a corporate shill, you can flock together. I note you're in Sugar Land, home of Delay. You have my sympathies. While nuke power is dangerous, properly managed and regulated by non-corporate money whores, it can be useful. But so far reality hasn't proved that money whores won't fuck it up.
the waste, rick?
crickets chirp.
Where do we put that waste?
isn't radioactive for 25,000 years.
Coal does contain a fair amount of radioactive isotopes as contaminants (along with mercury). A lot of it goes out the stacks, which is even worse, but some stays behind in the railroad cars full of waste produced every day.
Then it can migrate to the nearest major waterway (See Hanford v The Columbia River).
Can't help it.
me-oww!
doesn't become you.
I enjoy hearing and discussing all sides to a question. You deserve the floor like everyone else. I don't very post much, but I enjoy C&L quite a bit and I am sorry about the way you have been treated.
However, you should know that the last time this subject came up, posters got pretty emotional as well. At least one of the posts seem to be from another astroturf environmental group as I recall.
I hope you continue to read and post to C & L and I for one respect your opinion.
All the best.
Said poster lied by omission in his post, got called on it, said in his original post he expected to get called names or receive "harsh treatment". And then when he gets a little payback, he whines. Nope, sorry, no patting the poor little cheese's head because he feels oppressed.
Right here. Of course this list includes all nuclear accidents. Not just Nuclear power plant accidents.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Cheddar's willing to live with the sin of omission.
Didn't John McCain say recently that there has never been a nuclear accident on any Navy vessel? And they were completely safe? That list up there is one scary mofo'in list.
There is so many items on it that we were never informed of.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
said it, it MUST be true.
I think he just meant that he himself didn't crash into it.
The sin of omissions or the sin of emissions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPVPE7uJ0yc
Luddites with liberal arts education are more dangerous to the world than Nuke plants are. They actually think things liek that propaganda peice "china sysdrome have a connection to reality
As far as the radiation leaks go being down wind of three mile island is give you a far lower doe of increased radiation than a trip to the Rockies.
Check out what being downwind of a coal plant does for your radiation exposure.
Windpower works, Solar works but nether of them can produce enough without tearing up the ecosystem on a massive scale, Geothermal works,if you are the right place, but for most of the US just forget it.
Nukes are not perfect, but nothing in the world is, They are safe, (50+ years of history has proved that) produce no greenhouse gasses and have a very small ecological footprint.
2 trolls that are over sensitive to criticism of the nuclear industry.
This one's been on less than 15 mins too!
Not to critism but to silly critism, What was the damage done to anyone or anything by Three mile island? Please put it in numbers, any deaths any anomalous spike in cancer?
Chernobyl was a disaster, but that was type of system that has never ben used to commericial in the west since it was unsafe even from the design level, only a Marxist government could build something that insane
You might want to look at those.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
And not just in your inability to spell correctly. Any relation to Kerr-McGee?
"only a Marxist government could build something that insane" since the USSR was hardly Marxist.
me-oww!
The Soviet Union Versus Socialism, by Noam Chomsky
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I ask you to link to my comment up above here.
Then come back and say that.
But, just in case you miss it. Here it is again.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
But he can't spell worth a damn either.
Don't be the spelling police. When people get in a hurry teh thought of spell check escapes them.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I used to be an official Spelling Nazi. (Chyron Op). It's in the blood. And I tend to check and correct most of my posts.
I'm sorry...I had to put it on ignore...its posts were just getting impossible to comprehend. Not that there was any information contained within...it just started looking like random letters.
it's hard to take him/her seriously.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
That's because he isn't a "luddite with liberal arts education."
No i've got asn eduction that allows me to realize that "The China Syndrome" a has as much connection to reality as \"Alice in Wonderland" and to know that the radiation levels that people are worried about are less than what is normal background radiation in a large part of the US. You cellphone is probably just as dangerous too.
People treat 3-mile island like a major disaster, but it's a pretty strange disaster since the damage can't be found
If you have any facts about any harm done by a western nuke plant, I would be glad to see it, Any evidence of actual harm to anyone would be a great surprise
This list contains millitary accidents too, but I trust you can ignore those.
Also, China Syndrome might be fiction, but Silkwood isn't.
Even though you can't see him/her? That no one has ever seen her/him?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
If you wait fifty thousand years.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
of Vermont Yankee!
You tool!
How many people were harmed in any way?
Just like we don't know for certain how many people have been killed by coal plants, but that doesn't mean we don't know that coal plants are bad.
Let's see...how many people have to DIE or get cancer, before you admit an error?
1961: Explosion in reactor Idaho Falls (USA); three people killed.
1993: Radioactive release from leaking fuel rods at Perry nuclear power plant (USA)
1960: Technicians trying to restart a reactor at Savannah River reprocessing plant almost send it out of control (USA)
1990: Loss of offsite power with multiple equipment failures at Dresden nuclear power plant (USA)
1989: Eight workers are contaminated at Savannah River reprocessing plant (USA)
1978: Radioactive helium released from Colorado reactor (USA)
1982: Release of 100 cubic metres of radioactive water from Salem nuclear power plant (USA)
Don't go away. I have plenty more.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
1993: Spillage of 18,000 litres of heavy water at Darlington nuclear power plant (Canada).
This ones worth noting.
1973: Container filled with Cobalt-60 lost in the North Sea. Don't it just make ya hungry for some fish?
1983: Failure of automatic shut-down at Salem nuclear power plant (USA)
1972: Radioactive water has to be pumped out of the Indian Point nuclear power plant (USA)
1984: Emergency cooling system at San Onofere nuclear power plant fails (USA). This is when my buddies down there said they wouldn't surf around there anymore. That was their local beach.
Ho humm.1975: Fire in reactor at Browns Ferry nuclear power plant (USA)
1979:Partial core meltdown at Three Mile Island nuclear power plant (USA)
I'll tell you what. Just look at the list. It's all over this thread.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
with facts.
Only lists 3 dead from accidents. It does not say how many got sick and died from contamination. No one will ever find that out.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
How many people have to DIE, get ill or mutated before it rethinks its position?
it often takes awhile to die from nuke poisoning, and it would be easy for the coroner or whoever to list another cause of death.
They'd never lie about stuff like that.
Nope. Not ever.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
1973: Thousands of cubic meters of radioactive waste flow out of Hanford nuclear weapons complex (USA)
1986: The power lines to the Palo Verde nuclear power plant are sabotaged (USA)
1986: Human error causes the nuclear warhead to be knocked off a Pershing rocket (Germany) US military.
I threw this one in for shits and giggles. That, and the human accident element.
1991: Eight control rods show delays in emergency shut- down insertion time at Millstone Point nuclear power plant (USA)
1990:Superphenix Fast Breeder Reactor is closed down due to technical failures (France)/ worth noting.
1989: Manual shut-down of WNP nuclear power plant (USA)
Hmmmm, I wonder why they had to shut this down manually?
1991: Incident during refueling at Vogtle nuclear
power plant (USA)
Every single country that has had nuclear power has had accidents.
1955:Core meltdown at EBR fast breeder reactor (USA)
1989: Breakdown of fuel rod control system at Oconee nuclear power plant (USA)
1991: Leak of 190,000 litres of water from cooling system, reactor shut-down at Oconee nuclear power plant (USA)
1949: US experiment "Green Run" contaminates communities up to 70 miles away from the Hanford nuclear weapons complex (USA)
1986: Explosion at Surry nuclear power plant, four people killed (USA).
1980: Plutonium transport accident in the USA
We'll never know how many have died from radiation poisoning.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Did you mention the plutonium fires in the abandoned Rocky Flats? They literally lost so much plutonium at that one place that the dust would reach sub-criticality and start burning spontaneously.
Even in France... where the government is IN LOVE with Nuke power... they STILL have not solved the problem of STORING NUCLEAR WASTE. Even with plants that burn used fuel... that's a BIG SHELL GAME. There is STILL potent radio-active waste from THOSE reactors that have to be stored. Your list of "broken down" plants is greatly mis-leading. There are HUNDREDS of reports of dangerous LEAKS across the US and around the world that will NEVER be verified by official channels. Anybody who would live down-stream from ANY nuke plant is a FOOL... I am very disappointed that Obama will support Nuke power. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for selling our collective souls to the DEVIL of Nuclear Power... just so we don't have to work at conservation and limited use of electricity.
They dump it off of Somalia. And other locations.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
And dump it in the ocean, just outside SF Bay.
me-oww!
Cheddar ran.
See above.
are still runny.
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Velveeta? Euwwwwwww!
me-oww!
Fails.
The real problem with nuclear power plants is that they've been historically as expensive as hell. Cost per kWh.
Turns out that making them reasonably safe is much easier than making them inexpensive to build and operate.
If you're really interested, I can find the references.
And for the peanut gallery, please don't bring up Chernobyl. You make everybody who reads your comments know that you haven't done any homework, instead of just having to guess.
to another corporate interest. Or maybe he didn't knuckle under; maybe he was down with the Karen Silkwood killers all along.
nookular reactors?
I think we should call them for what they really are...
(depleted uranium factories)
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"But hey, who doesn't love radioactive drinking water?"
Blinky!
And don't forget, Homer Simpson was hired to monitor the reactor through Gerald Ford's BOOTSTRAP program.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/mwi0097l.jpg
http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cart...
http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/main/nuclear...
LuLu
it's stone age bullshit
me-oww!
Is that we have no good way of disposing of the waste. You shouldn't even consider building another one of these monstrosities until we come up with a workable solution. This stuff takes thousands of years to deteriorate on it's own. Shipping them to a cave in Nevada or other caves around the country doesn't sound like a good idea to me but that's what we're doing now.
I don't think ANYBODY is shipping anything to caves in Nevada... YET.
After spending MILLIONS in development and promotion for the underground storage site at Yucca Mountain... I think the PEOPLE of Nevada have besically flipped the government the BIRD and offered up a great big FUCK YOU.
Am I right... anybody?
You got it.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Not a problem. I don't mind being corrected about Yucca. It still means we have no good place to store nuclear waste.
Sticking nuclear waste in their Asse, which it seems is leaking.
Which, despite the pun, is a leaking salt mine. One disaster that covers a problem with a leak in a salt mine quite well was the Jefferson Island Disaster, which had no nuclear materials involved but still made the Gulf of Mexico flow north, once.
I think this qualifies for the Holy Shit category.
We were having a discussion on this not long ago. I remember someone saying that there has been no nuclear accidents.
Ummm, yeah. okee dokee.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://crooksandliars.com/comment/permalink/1...
(Poster on C&L less than 15 mins btw)
Thanks Lib.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
disagree with the rube I pointed out, but he does tend to leave out a lot of facts, which don't support his claims.
Yet meanwhile, instead of leading in any of the real issues facing America, Obama today is yet again busy kissing more GOP ass and giving billions to nuclear power plants. What a kick in the face to environmentalists and progressives in the US and all over the world who have spent generations protesting to stop the insane and reckless nuclear industry. The industry isn't profitable without more military-industrial corporate welfare for Westinghouse! Once again, Obama pays off the rich and lets middle america starve without jobs. So you can see where his priorities lay. Money that could have gone to alternative energy, while China now has taken the lead in renewable energy technology.
Yep, kissing more Republican ass is all Obama hopes will work. How pathetic is that?
"I'll be philosophical. Until about two billion years ago, it was impossible to have any life on earth; that is, there was so much radiation on earth you couldn't have any life — fish or anything. Gradually, about two billion years ago, the amount of radiation on this planet and probably in the entire system reduced and made it possible for some form of life to begin... Now when we go back to using nuclear power, we are creating something which nature tried to destroy to make life possible... Every time you produce radiation, you produce something that has a certain half-life, in some cases for billions of years. I think the human race is going to wreck itself, and it is important that we get control of this horrible force and try to eliminate it... I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation. Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. Have I given you an answer to your question?"
-Adm.Hyman Rickover, the Father of the Nuclear Navy and of Shippensport nuclear reactor.
I don't see anything that Obama's done that wouldn't have also been done by McCain.
Most Democratic voters don't seem to care, though. In fact, I bet he could adopt the entire GOP platform and still get 99% of Democrats to vote for him.
Once more: GE and White Westinghouse have big campaign money to throw around. Go to your Readers' Guide to Periodical Literature and find articles from Rolling Stone, Columbia Journalism Review, and US News and World Report re White-Westinghouse's bribery and coercion of Duval Co., FL city councilmen and other pols in their attempt to put a nuclear power plant at the mouth of the St. John's River--on a fault line, naturally.
The White Rabbit White Trash Whites already have Google Chrome. Give them a nuke plant and any of their prospective prey will lose what limited privacy they possess under the Patriot Act, if they espouse any ecological awareness or political action whatever. They are economic terrorists who run "white-out" blacklists on their opponents, and now can blame their manipulations on the recession.
So where is the fault line south of Augusta? That pony's in there.
Georgia, Georgia: your papers lie, and your politicians want us all to die...
I have some concerns about it all.....
Nuclear power plants use more water than any other form of power generation. There isn't a place on the planet that won't have fresh water shortages in less than a generation. Here in the Western U.S., we already have water shortages. Why in the world would we want to exacerbate our water shortages.
And then there is the real deal ; that pesky nuclear waste.
Over 50 years ago, the nuclear power industry talked President Eisenhower and the American people into relying on power plants that would leave tons of extremely dangerous radioactive byproducts in the hands of future generations to deal with. The argument was; we'll figure something out. We didn't. And aging reactors seem to leak. Lovely, eh?
LuLu
To use so much water just for the nuclear power plants to generate steam. There have to be better methods we can leverage.
"soon, you will know... China Syndrome"
and...
"Chain reaction and mutation / Contaminated population..."
Silkwood
And somehow, she died under suspicious circumstances.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
nuke-que-lar Troll magnet. 2-3 n00bs since the post went up? I'm out. Not enough atenolol in my medicine cabinet to keep me from developing and blowing a brain aneurysm in record time.
me-oww!
That's new-cul-ar. As in the Spanish "culo", meaning those who build such risky facilities. Don't let Bechtel inside the Georgia border, please. Employees of Pittsburg Testing's N FL facility may well recall what a FUBAR Bechtel's early 1980's concrete work was, and why the Palatka, FL nuclear power plant had to be rebuilt nearly from the ground up in 20 years.
That is I have no problem when there maintained well and most haven't been. My problem is we have being giving these grants for years now and no plant has been built. On Our power bills here in north GA there is a fee for the new Nuclear power plant, problem is I doubt it will be built. Will we get that money back hell no. These companies are ripping off the people and being given massive grants by the government for nothing.
That's my point...I've yet to see any Nuke power plant run by trust-worthy efficient non-corporate deceitful money whores.
Were facing a shortage of medical chemicals because the private sector decided that just a few plants is more then enough to make the worlds supply, those plants are broken and brakeing. Waste is leaking into drinking water supplies because it isn’t cost effective to find the leaks. Critical staff cut and so on and so on.
We have spent tens to hundreds of billions over the last 30 years for new plants, repairs and upgrades, and better control. We have gotten back from these grants, loan, tax cuts, and so forth little to nothing.
Double Taxation.... see my note above and here's the link:
http://southernstudies.org/2009/03/power-poli...
For fiber optics that didn't happen till ten or more years later and to tis day still isn't done. We were paying the fee for all lines to be chnaged not just the pole lines near highway. For that matter fiber optics mean nothing if old homes lines aren't upgraded as well.
Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you, then.
Buh bye! You won't be missed.
I had to re-register a couple weeks ago, but I've been a reader & commenter for years. I love C&L, but I see it going the way of HuffPo.
Just curious, Susie -- do you believe that vaccines cause autism? And do you believe the gov't was involved in 9/11? Do you believe in alternative medicine?
[That's an off-topic question, and as site monitor, I am EXTREMELY curious as to why you'd have "to re-register a couple weeks ago" after having been a "commenter [here] for years," although I have a pretty good idea. If you read the commenting policy, I think you'll see we allow one account per poster. And if you've been previously banned, that's the account you have to live with-Sitemonitor]
I chooser to believe you. One blogger on here, who I will admit does play a fear card a lot, gets up your nose, so you run away. And you also are also in a snit about HuffPo. Well, Mr. Bayh or Ms. Palin...you just go ahead a quit then, since everyone won't post things that you alone agree with.
No, maybe, not unless it's been peer-reviewed.
But nuclear safety isn't like the vaccine/autism assertions, is it? There are verifiable safety concerns with nuclear power.
there's a way for a pharmaceutical company to make money from it, and/or it doesn't conflict with powerful political interests. Case in point:
Pot Shrinks Tumors; Government Knew in '74
I know I've commented here in the past, back with the older system. How do i get that old account back?
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I had a hard drive crash awhile back, and when I got the new HD installed, C&L didn't recognize me automatically like it usually does, and I couldn't remember if I used BDM or BigDaddyMalcontent, so I created a new logon.
Maybe that's what happened to Jdubb.
Would you be picking on Madrak if she was white,male, or trans, Mr. Bully?
I think cocaine causes autism, Bush knew in advance, and I use herbs as well as Big Pharma. So ban me or cuss me, big deal.
"Madrak, stop ruining C&L"
I'll admit, The Sub-urbane Gorilla lives very close to the edge of the hyperbole cliff, but what the hell is this "reality-based blogging community" of which you speak?
Powerline.
I like DailyKOS. I like C&L. I don't like HuffPo, FDL, etc.
http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/20...
Cost over runs. Cause it sure as hell ain't gonna come in under budget.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I'll assume that's why they're proposing to do this in the south east. Because it would never fly in the north west.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion...
Nope. No nukes! Plus, the taxpayers are going to subsidize this. Will we get a break on energy prices? Fuck no we won't. Fuck them!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
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