Octuplets Mom Allegedly Receiving Death Threats; Publicists Quit Under the Strain
By Susie Madrak Tuesday Feb 17, 2009 12:00pmI wonder what, exactly, this says about our country. Is Bernie Madoff getting death threats? Alan Greenspan? Mortgage brokers? Republican leaders?
I was at a party this weekend, and this seemed to be all people wanted to talk about. At first I listened politely, but I finally said, "You know, the people who have screwed up this country would much rather we were angry at this woman than at them. And even if taxpayers paid every dime for these kids for the next 20 years, it wouldn't even be a speck of sand compared to the money these people have cost us - and our grandchildren."
One woman gave me a blank look, then: "Oh. You're right. They keep showing this on TV so we're not thinking about all that other stuff!" Right!
Two Brentwood publicists said they dropped octuplets mom Nadya Suleman as a client Saturday because they have received a slew of death threats.
Suleman, a 33-year-old Whittier resident, was unmarried, unemployed and already had six children using a sperm donor when she gave birth to eight children from the same donor Jan. 26 at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in Bellflower.
Joann Killeen, president of Killeen Furtney Group, said she and husband Mike Furtney decided to drop Suleman early Saturday. Soon after the births, the couple began representing Suleman for free, and almost immediately started receiving threatening e-mails and phone calls from people enraged over the octuplets saga, she said.
"They hope I die, they hope my business goes under, they want to rip her uterus out," Killeen said. "They say I should be anesthetized and put down like a dog."
Killeen said she and Suleman felt so threatened that last week they stayed at an undisclosed "secure location" for a few days before returning home. The babies are still being treated at the hospital, Killeen said.
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...and those who hate her the most are probably the loudest voices when it comes to abortion.
It's not okay to have an abortion, unless you've got a hispanic last name, brown skin, or not have a job to support those little mouths. Then the right wingnuts are all too happy to push abortion and euthanasia upon their politcal (or perceived) enemies.
I think what really drives them nuts the most, is that they are conflicted with their ideologies and their base animal urges
(i.e. Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh).
But threatening her life...seems even dumber.
These guys are masters at diversion and keeping the populace uninformed, misdirected, and focused on the mundane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM
I agree the media is pushing this to distract from the economic rape we have all just experienced - HOWEVER - people are talking about this because it is on a smaller scale, relate~able to us. Lots of us have kids and are struggling. If you dont have kids you are SOMEONE'S kid - and grew up in some kind of family. I cannot and likely will NEVER understand what it feels like to piss away MILLIONS - BILLIONS of other peoples dollars. And this lunatic can just s**t out kids and expect everyone else to take care of them? It is an OUTRAGE to me because I have to find a way to feed my kids without help. I dont WANT help. She is a disgrace to all moms everywhere who know wtf they are doing. Dont threaten her life - she is ruining it herself along with those precious little babies.... just disturbing. Not to mention she looks like the Joker which creeps me out a LOT....
agreed on all points.
This is not the first time a woman has had more children then she can realisticly care for in this country. Matter of fact it happens everyday. But because of the way this woman had this happen and the way in which the news media wanted to deal with it, it has become an outcry for some. The fact is there are many families in this country who have decided to have alot of kids , whether it's affordable to them or not. And yet no one say anything about those people. Look at the families that are on TLC movie channel. They're all googled at and admired to some extent. And all the the religous families that have very large families; nothing is said about them. And all those crying out for the children like this is the worst thing to happen to these children. There are thousand of children in this great country that would love the attention your giving this one woman. So please help them if you really care, is what I say.
... when there appears to have been steroid use in baseball?
Priorities people, priorities.
A-rod lied...stop the presses!
Focus people!
Why are we discussing this shit on a progressive site.
Who's with me?
is a whackjob, and people are surprised she brought the whackjob population out? They can easily settle this by taking every last one of her children. If the public are paying for them anyway, the least the gov't can do is make sure the money is being spent on them.
Wow, now why not just take all the kids from all families that require help. She might be a wackjob but has the right to have as many children as she wants as any other person would. Should she have use common sense? Yes, but don't we all need to use it once in while in life? Pay attention to real issues that mean more to this great country then things the news media wants us to pay attention to.
This is tabloid news. Yeah taxpayers are going to have to foot the bill for her irresponsibilty but so what, I've payed for worse things with my tax money. Great point made Susie, where were the threats when our tax money was funding an illegal and wreckless war and our tax money was building institutions of torture and wiretapping.
We are such a dumb society. It makes me so sad and cynical.
I agree and your not alone on that statement
when they get reminded the price tag associated with life....
The lady needs financial support, and also psychological treatment. She is clearly unbalanced.
"love the fetus, hate the child"? Regardless of how irresponsible this woman was, there are 8 lives at stake here. Yes, this woman needs mental help. But I am amazed at the utter stupidity of threatening the lives of the publicists. I wish someone could explain to me how these seemingly moral people can justify threatening the life of people trying to help this woman.
The callers are therefore terrorists. Shouldn't the NSA be all over them like Haggard on Meth?
Or Geraldo on Al Capone's safe?
The NSA is to busy listening to Dem politicians break the law.
Glad I didn't count on you to quit eating grapes.
Update...did not see that this post preceded your boycott post or I would have saved it for a lower violation of your pledge. Sorry.
Hope you enjoyed those grapes at lunch.
(gri)malkin be stalkin'.
Their pissed because she's a welfare mom, cranking out kids, and she's WHITE.
she's white. She's Iraqi is what I think I read somewhere and her father is a translator in Iraq.
That you don't have to be related to an inbred potato eating islander from the North Atlantic to be Caucasian?
to quit posting such idiotic posts. No matter how hard you try, you are no Ysbadden. That poster is funny. You? Not so much.
It is not about color - I am sorry it is not - she is a parasite and a psychopath. The color in question here is GREEN - people are SICK AND TIRED of our money being pissed out into the stratosphere - this lady picked the wrong quarter to crap out her 15 minutes of fame - oh yeah - that happens to be human souls - ugh oh and ICK
I have no idea what channel was on the other day but they had heard about death threats to the mom. They called the publicist to ask him about it. They asked him if he had reported the death threats to the police. He said he had but he had been too busy to notify the police. Sounded strange to me.
As for the goofs that are kicking and screaming, if it wasn't about this, it would be about something else.
When I applied to adopt a rescue dog, I had to fill out a five page form telling the rescue group just about everything in my life and they had to come to my home and approve it before I could adopt the dog. I find this ironic how difficult it is to get a dog, yet this lady could add eight children to the six she already had without any trouble at all.
Yes - yes and yes.... morons with so many children they cant sleep at night ? Guess what that will beget.... I agree with you - obviously :)
five pages?
Un-effin-real!
I mean I understand why they want to be careful where the dog goes and that it has a good, loving and caring home. But little babies can be born to anyone who can make them. They are at the mercy of the circumstances they are born into. Who is looking out for their welfare?
Seems to me if you are going to artificially create a little baby, you should be screened at least as much as I was during the adoption of a dog.
But as I stated upthread, I'm boycotting this thread.
Care to join me?
No thanks because the way little children, elderly people and animals are treated is very important to me. They are all helpless to some extent and they need all of us to watch out for them as much as we can.
And they're important to me too...but my tinfoil hat tells me this story is meant to keep up distracted from more important matters.
a bad boycotter... LOL just kidding I actually completely agree with you :)
Most of us can be interested in more than one thing at a time. Those who can't would grasp on to this story anyway.
To me this lady is a prime example of what is wrong with our country today. She wanted more kids and wanted them now. She hasn't given any sane thought to how she will care for them, she just wants them. Kind of like the person who goes out and buys a big assed flat screen tv on credit. They just want it now and give no thought to how the hell they might pay for it if say they become ill or suffer a long time injury.
The Humane Society (or whatever source you adopted from) doesn't get $10,000 per pet they adopt out. Her fertility doctor obviously liked getting bukku bucks for implanting her ova.
So where did the money come from that the doctor got? Was it some sort of govt money? I doubt she had that kind of big bucks saved up since she's unemployed and already feeding six kids.
I think the $$$ came from the $165,000 in disability payments she got for a back injury.
Pregnancy does wonders for bad backs, I hear.
The woman is certifiable.
thats call capitalism , making money, getting rich off someone willing to pay. The American dream
Thanks for speaking up Susie. This the result of mental illness. Treat the woman and stop a repeat. The 8 innocent kids are here,+ 6 more. Society will pay for the problem. Hate will put needless pain on all of them,it's up to all of us to stop it. Who will be first to cast stones at 14 + 1 people?
I would bet everything I have owned, own or will own that 99% of those threats are from Republican voters.
The woman is pretty obviously not stable. So we decide she needs to die? Tis a pathetic Nation in which we live.
What on earth does a political party have to do with with being psychotic? Death threats are obviously the voice of the unstable. Shall we bet that the owner of the super-uterus in question is a democrat cause she is sucking off the system?
This is the first time I have even given a thought to the politics of this lady. Who cares? This isn't about politics, it's about being humane where tiny babies are concerned.
I think scytherius is claiming they're from republicans because the right wing channels are making hay with this "scandal". When it pops up on "our" radar we all scream DISTRACTION News! Judd in bed with Abramoff? ooh lookie America a "welfare queen".
Plus on a forum I am on the right-leaning people are "outraged,outraged I tell you" about the "abuse of the system" "she is getting away with". And yes on that site the ones "dead set against abortion" are the ones that want uterus taken away.
What's that song? "things that make you say Huh?"
It's easy to fall for temptation. What's easy to discuss vs. what's hard to discuss.
The administration's website for tracking the Stimulus money is now online. www.recovery.gov
From their own numbers, over half the bill is taxcuts and money to "shore up state and local government budgets". Not sure how they are going to keep track of that. Should be interesting.
Keep track of what??? They already know what their getting.
Anyone can have an opinion on birth - because, obviously, it takes absolutely no skill whatsoever to procreate. Having an educated opinion on topics that are not frivolous requires deliberate thought. SO at that I am going to go read some more about something I dont have a strong opinion about. Stretch the synapses as it were - thanks for the motivation to rise above mediocre thinking... :)
Personally I rise to temptation,
Fallen sounds rather Genesis
After Peter Gabriel left.
I don't mean to sound heartless, but I could care less about the mother. She won't get mental help until she admits she needs it. My concern is how are these little kids going to be treated and cared for? From the description the grandmother gave of the home, it's a total mess. How can you bring infants into something like that? How can it be allowed?
"You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a parent."
He said father. Still applies.
Hey why with just these kids. Theres a whole country of children in need. What are they not worthy also? Or is it because the news media hasn't thrown them in your face like this family?
this woman has serious mental health issues but death threats! Why are people not more concerned about the physician who implanted her over and over!
She could not have done it on her own...yes, the taxpayer will have to foot the bill--we are to some extent already with her first six!
We will have new laws that govern this soon...
Seems this should be a case for a malpractice suit or at least paternity. The "Doctor" had more to due with these births than either the mother or the donor.
tort reform.
no one deserves a death threat...well almost.
but sanity is not part of this woman's attributes.
if you listen to her speak, she is definitely in
serious need of help. the doctor who did this not
just once but twice should have his license removed
for the entire country. this was not planned parenthood
and the doctor not reputable.
she did not/does not have the means to take care of
the first group of children and has thrust their care
on her parents and the rest of California welfare sys.
and now the state/calif. citizens will have to pick
up not only the $1 million plus hospital tab, but
their entire childhood expenses. THAT IS CRIMINAL !
some of you will come down on me for my next opinion, but
that will make no difference to me. because of her total
disregard for the well-being of all her children, it's
time to take them away and put the children in foster
homes or up for adoption. where they will get real love
and support and not just be a money-maker livelyhood for
the mother. it's not heartless to want the best of each
of these children, for they are not at fault, but they
do deserve a better chance at success than this insane
moron woman can offer.
She should be declared unfit, the children ALL removed from her home, the donor (donors) identified, her "welfare/disability" checks stopped and she and the "fathers" be made to pay back ALL medical expenses AND to pay child support for the next 18 to 21 years AND education/college expenses for all 14.
She's obviously been collecting disability payments FALSELY for years OR she is mentally INCOMPETENT to raise 14 children. BUT, if she's capable of THIS, she's capable of working at a McDonalds or Burger King to pay child support.
Most people - media types included are completely clueless when you begin talking the economy. To them it's the Dow or the local factory. When you start talking sub-prime mortagages, derivatives, hedge funds they have no idea what you're talking about and remember why econ 101 bored them to tears in college (if they went or took econ 101).
Babies and welfare they understand. The right wing is enraged because Obama won and Congress is in Democratic hands. The morons of Faux Gnus are shrieking socialism as though it's a bad thing, so this woman becomes the face of socialism in America.
The media ignores real news because no one understands it. That's why People Magazine outsells Foreign Affairs. Of course, Foreign Affairs uses 3 syllable words and doesn't have pictures...
Bristol Palin says that abstinence for teens is "not realistic".
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/20...
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I saw the O'Donnell sisters (Nora Pug and Kelly Pug) bashing her for several days last week on MSNBC and thought, "WTF do THEY care?"
Oh! The rich assed media news readers are looking to divert away attention from the frat-boy failure and are afraid a Dem is going to take their livestock.
What a miserable, evil hearted country we've become.
This is what happens when we allow the politics of division to rule our country.
We all love to talk about our compassion for one another, but collectively it all seems to be simply talk.
You don't have to believe in religion to understand that some of its basic rules are simply good rules to live by...such as...we ARE our brothers keeper...there but for the grace of God go I...let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.
"We all love to talk about our compassion for one another, but collectively it all seems to be simply talk."
I don't know about anyone else here, but I do not simply talk about it, I put my efforts and money where my mouth is. I will continue to do that for as long as I can.
I am talking about the collective conscience of the country.
There are good people everywhere...but I am talking about the general tone and approach of our society.
We've become a nasty nation.
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I agree with you. I dont see how on earth this has become a political debate. This is about mental health, social concern, medical abuse of an unstable woman, and poor innocent babies... Do you think the BIG picture is slicing us a country down the middle into dems/pepubs // liberal/conservative - so that we dont band together and fight that which is just plain WRONG??? Heaven forbid we would come together as a society and do what is right. We have become nasty in many ways and somehow I think that makes some people in power quite happy with themselves...
But now you're talking about the philosophy of Jesus - not the philosophy of James Dobson. And it's Dobson who's ideas are at the heart of today's version of Christianity. I quoted one of the Beatitudes in a meeting the other night. One or two people recognized it - but, no one understood it was an expression of the humility Jesus taught. FWIW - I don't call myself a Christian. The word has come to mean something anathema to my relationship with my fellow man.
I'm pretty sure that ol' Yeshua would thing that the worst thing to happen to Jesus' message was "Christianity."
how sweet it is,lib you nailed the american mentality its hooray for me and screw you, i got mine so eat crap and die! civility disapeared in america long before the quadroons took over!
With many pieces and or angles too this puzzling occurrence. It may be best understood by gathering the border pieces first, to shape the picture in a timely fashion.
how many of the people who are angry over the fact that their tax money will be used to support this woman:
1) are anti-abortion.
2) are "Christians."
3) are equally upset about the billions of dollars of cash that were lost in Iraq.
The people who made off with the lost billions have better PR people than Suleman: K Street law firms.
Leave it up to the hate-filled, sick, Reslugs to threaten a mother and babies.
She didnt just get pregnant. She had 8 embryo's inserted WITH her knowledge. All while caring for 6 previous children. Not to mention with no realistic way of paying for all this. It is the irresonsibility willingness undertaken that is the issue here. All too often others are willing to push off THEIR responsibilities onto society. Rich or Poor!
Chances are that she needs mental health.
There is however, no way in f*cking hell... if this was a sane society, that she deserves to have her life threatened over that.
Which is the issue.
Freak of the Week - 2009: The Octomom...
This is a ridiculous freak show for which a multi-billion dollar corporate media complex has mobilized an army of millionaire TV 'journalists' (and graphics people, cameramen, producers, writers, etcetera) to deliver in depth round-the-clock coverage. Can anyone deny that the reason for such an bizarrely misplaced priority being labeled as 'news' is anything short of a deliberate attempt to blind the American populace with abject stupidity.
This story -like most of what passes for 'news'- is complete crap. Who cares if this crazy woman managed to finagle enough money and cooperation from a depraved doctor to give birth to a litter of babies? This garbage gets placed on equal or higher footing than the circus of mendacity going on right now in Washington - which will definitely affect everyone in America for some time to come - but we're supposed to give a shit about A-rod (a guy with hundreds of millions of dollars who has problems - OH NO!) and 'The Octomom'(a villainess from Spiderman? WTF?). All of this irrelevant pap is being shoveled at us by agents of the plutocracy who continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
The internet can be a real swamp of ignorance and misinformation sometimes but what I see as hopeful is the fact that people can call BS on the journalism establishment and attempt to refocus on things that matter.
Amazing Octomom, if you please.
This is all foder to divert the publics attention from the real problems we face.
But if Alex Rodriguez turns out to be Suleman's sperm doner, now, that would be real news.
How can we make that happen
OK, Bush crimes against humanity Cheney invasion torture genocide DOJ corruption fascism black-ops CIA GOP war profiteering blackwater - no problem, but have octuplets and it's 'what is the world coming to'?
Yes TV is WWF all day long.
Starting a thread about a topic you wish people would stop talking about. huhwhahuh?
I'm not surprised about the death threats, sad to say. When it comes to little teeny tiny itty bitty babies, rational thought often goes out the window. People think about the awful circumsntances in which these children will be raised - children who, lest it need to be said, were not concieved with God's blessing viz a viz good ol' fashioned banging but with sssssscience (boo! hiss!) - and they get furious at anyone who would do that to chidlren, AND anyone who enable them. Add in the aspect of "welfare rage," what is usual a tired canard meant to piss off Republicans into not wanting to pay any taxes because someone might take advantage of government handouts, and Sanctity of life, schmanctity of shmife, blood lust becomes de rigeur
Ms. madrak, you may want to consider this factor when it comes to discussing the octomom over the stimulus package or any other weighty topic of discussion - THIS is a topic everyone can understand, or think they understand. Talking about hundreds of billions of dollars to stimulate the economy, not being sure how the money will be spent, wanting to hope again but being so leery of government, generations bred to mistrust liberals now forced into hoping they'll spend that money to give 'em a job...it's all strange and frightening and confusing and for millions used to voting against their best interests in lieu of "family values," it can all be quite confusing. However, "hey should an unemployed woman with 6 babies and a possible Angelina Jolie fixation have 8 more kids via artificial insemination?" Now THAT'S something everyone can agree on.
Woman, it's a uterus, not a gumball machine!
We are so accustomed to having "welfare queens" being the problem to end all problems, that I am not surprised that there are people going over the edge on this one and making threats. A woman who is irresponsibly bringing children into the world is a drop in the bucket compared to the people who are sabotaging our country on a massive scale and expecting to be paid handsome sums for it. But, we are living with Reagan's legacy.
Some people must lead such small, pathetic lives that they feel compelled to threaten this obviously disturbed young woman. What a sick, sad world.
And a prayer because Jebus cures everything (even at the last minute as long a you've been baptized).
She would of had to pass physical tests for this.What no emotional or mental ones?When you adopt the prospective parents are put under microscopes. what the heck it was not only her bad decision but a slew of others involved also.
AP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvdy1SCoSRA
Amended: Kaiser Permanente > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente
Well that's it them. We can all stop worrying.
and that it was a sign from god that told her so.
This was all the rage on twitter. Especially the women! It was frightening.
I personally would never want to birth even one child, let alone enough to field two line-ups in hockey but who am I to judge? People judge me for not wanting kids. Whatever happened to my body my choice?
I don't get the argument. Is it because she's single? Because she's unemployed? Because she was inseminated? What prompted a boatload of rage?
If it's taxpayers paying for her lifestyle and the kids, if everyone in the country was paying for her lifestyle, start following bank executives around, etc. THAT's costing much more than her decision to have more kids.
Everyone acts like her decision was a personal affront to them.
Isn't having even one child a burden on someone else's lifestyle? I don't have kids in school, but we pay school tax. I don't get tax rebates for not cluttering up the earth. To me, there's no difference between her or everyone else out there.
And the irony is TLC has programs of families with multiple births that people just love. One family has what, 18 kids? Where's the outrage there? You create a society that loves stories like this and I guess there's a limit on what you can do.
I got unfollowed by the masses for asking where the outrage is on the bank bailouts instead of directing it on her.
A society of hypocrites.
It is really interesting to see the outrage taking place - I can't speak for anyone but myself. But as a mom of three who has struggled at times to take care of my kids without hand-outs or help (and i HAVE had help from family, etc - i mean from people I assume will help outside of that support network) it makes me angry to think that this woman assumes because she can have a litter of kids that everyone is obligated to help her do it. I could have had 8 more kids too - but i couldnt afford it and wouldnt have the time or ability to care for them. I think it is the climate - so many people have lost so much money and under such financial duress that to see this woman abuse the system is just a smack in the face to everyone who pays taxes. I know it is not the answer but it may be a part of it...
Ohh said so nicely. And I bet they all watch TLC
are upset this is even being discussed. I think the point of the post is absolutely worth discussing. This is proof positive of the dumbing down of America. The attention to this and the strength of the redirected rage points out the bizarreness of what takes center stage in many peoples minds. The fact that this IS such an upfront issue and the cause of so much talk proves the point of the post. Nancy Grace has been doing the caley calle story for what seems like years now. Every freakin night! And getting great ratings in the process. What does this say about the intelligence level or seriousness of our nation. At least maybe this will give nancy some different drama for her audience to freak over. Until they find the lost girl in Aruba. The news has become a Lifetime movie.
...because I made a very similar comment over at a Nadya Suleman hate site.
you are so very very correct - at least I think so...
is justification for this womens irresponsibility? The societal burdon that this women is beholding onto the door step of society. In perspective, death threats are wrong. Period! But justifying irresponsibility with other acts of irresponsibility isnt the answer.
THIS thread is about bad personal decisions. This women and her doctor made a conscious decision to put lives in jeperady. Including hers. With no means or way of personally providing accountability for her actions.
I can understand how some might see her as someone abusing social services meant for people who truely need them other than feeding their biological erg.
Two wrongs make a right is a logical fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that if one wrong is committed, another wrong will cancel it out. Like many fallacies, it typically appears as the hidden major premise in an enthymeme—an unstated assumption which must be true for the premises to lead to the conclusion. This is an example of an informal fallacy.
If she was white trash, the born-agains would be using her picture at pro-life rallies.
Ur kidding right? As a believer in the teachings of Christ I guess I fall under your "born -agains" label. She is not pro-life she is pro-suck on the tit of Uncle Sam. I find it interesting tho that "liberals" love everyone but people who aren't like them... People who hate in the name of a religion have nothing to do with God...just like people who profile everyone under one label have nothing to do with rational thought
if a woman cannot afford to have a child, abortion is a good alternative....right???
if not...you are a fucking hypocrite
if all life is precious...it shouldnt matter who foots the bill
this woman should be the banner child of the prolife movement, for instead of killing the sperm, she had it implanted in her and rejoices in the miracle of life
where did jesus ever say that one wasnt allowed to suck on the tit of the government
of course, jesus never talked about gay people or abortion either...but that doesnt matter
I believe adoption is a good alternative however, this woman HAS NOTHING to do with the pro life or pro choice movement. She, reportedly, has spent close to $100,000 purposefully having children she apparently cant raise alone. So your circular logic doesn't show me to be a fucking hypocrite - i happen to have an opinion unlike yours which, again, isn't acceptable... not sure what Jesus talked about to tell you the truth - there are very few of His recorded words - He lived, reportedly, about 33 years and I am pretty sure He talked about all kinds of things beyond what is written. I wouldnt be such an arrogant, pompous ass as to assume I knew everything He ever said...
So Jesus could've said, "I'm gonna kick his ass, I tell you what," but no one had a pen on them?
Quote"- " People who hate in the name of a religion have nothing to do with God"
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Thats a good one! Religion and diety worship are one in the same!
You my friend need to read some of Christopher Hitchens work on this subject....
I wonder how many of the radical christians wishing death on this woman want to hurt her kids? So much for the right wing being the 'culture of life'.
they are not one in the same- radical anyone, wishing death on anyone, has nothing to do with life. obviously. Man has created religion - agreed - that still does not prove any relationship with God. I can worship Benjamin Franklin - it would have nothing to do with him whatsoever... religious radicals give their chosen gods bad names... just as radical left wingers give people of open and tolerant minds bad names....
I know there are some people out there who do not love their fellow man and I HATE people like that! -- Tom Lehrer
HEY!!!! Thats MY LINE - I always say
"OH MY GAWD I HATE INTOLERANT PEOPLE!!!!" lol
This is tabloid 'news', not legitimate news.
I think this woman is craving the spotlight.
Anyone in the public eye will get death threats from the right wing, this is nothing new.
Who is it that sends the threats to people on the right wing?
I'll grant you, the extreme right and extreme left are often similar in their preaching of venom- But the right wing is more apt to carry out threats of violence on people- Much of their philosophy is based on the hatred of anyone who is different.
Right wing hatred of immigrants is racial hatred of Latinos.
Right wingers who want to roll back affirnmative action programs tend not to like black people.
Violent left wingers tend to be anarchists who are more apt to destoy property than hurt people. There are the ultra left wing 9/11 Truthers who like to blame 9/11 on the Jews- As offensive as their delusions may be, they don't usually attack people. Odd thing there is that there are truthers on the extreme left and extreme right- it's proof the further you go out on the fringes, things start to go full circle.
I guess that is the point. All of these labels - I don't see myself falling into any of them - if people would think independently of some group - some agenda. I have to think very seriously when I express an opinion that is MINE - that I cant pin on some group or sect because I own that opinion. Then maybe we would be less likely to call each other names and de-personalize/ de-humanize one another. I don't know the statistical facts on violence in groups - all I know is that there are a lot of humans harming other humans - and I truly believe that the people with all of the money and all of the power love every minute. If the democratic and republican middle class is too busy hating and destroying each other we are preoccupied with that and not recognizing the very few that have truly harmed us...
The radical left and radical right are the same- That is why I'm in the middle- I have liberal views, and conservative views. But liberals seem to feel a person must be 100% liberal, and conservatives feel people should be 100% conservative.Neither side has any use for moderates. Problem with the Republicans and the Democrats is that both care more about being in power and crushing the opposing party, rather than making this a better country. Many people are sick of the BS of both parties, and are have jumped ship and now Independents, or don't identify with any party at all. Obama does seem to be trying though, and I hope he succeeds if what he does is for the country, rather than for the party.
I truly agree with all you have said. I didnt even vote for Pres. Obama but i truly hope and pray he does well - for all of us. His success is all of ours... I guess the interesting thing is that at first you and i seem to live on opposite wings but in the end we agree... communication is a dangerous thing is it not? :)
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 16:22 — kosmic
Who is it that sends the threats to people on the right wing?
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People on the right wing who don't think they're extreme enough.
About 15 years ago evangelical churches would have their services interrupted by people in the congregation who came from other more extreme churches to denounce church and minister for not making their stance against abortion "strong" enough.
The rival popes Eusebius and Marcius racked up huge amounts of corpses between their fighting factions. Later there was much slaughter of the Eastern Orthodox at the Hagis Sophia by crusading forces that were allowed in and treated well.
that is one example to defend that one position. There are plenty of radical leftists who have killed in their favorite agendas name. Humans kill humans - radicalism is just the lack of thought. Not disagreeing with you on your facts at all - just sad that one group is vilified...
Vilification due to a history of action.
And that action can be fairly, passive, putting up a website with bloody lettering listing doctors who provide abortion among other services as America's most wanted.
People like ann colter who claim they're Christian but engahe in hateful speech, and then someone else takes them at their word to bring about the wrath of God..
The book of Joshua, in the Old Testament, is full of stories of the Lost Tribes slaughtering entire towns AFTER they've surrendered, because God wills it.
The Roman Catholics were empire building, which requires bloodshed, and the Protestants favored Sole Fide/Sole Scriptura, which not only negates the Magisterium, but makes it that everyone's interpretation is equally valid, even if that interpretation is violent.
People will kill over other ideologies than religion. Athens was supposedly fought over by the Goddess Athena and the God Poseiden, although technically it was probably armies faithful to them, but we don't know exactly who or why sent them to fight. Rival priests killed the first monotheist Akhenaten. However, there's a peculiar quality to the Abrahamic/Patriarchal sub-sect. This is a I am right and if you disagree you are evil and don't even deserve to live. As bad as the Romans were they allowed multiple faiths in their empire. Their objection though was to secret rites, and we might now call, liberation theology.
The earlier Pagan rulers might require you to make token worship to their gods, but left you alone to worship your own.
I was thinking about it as I was looking for my carton of Gauloises (still haven't found it), and a thought hit me. Liberals in the most extreme form, like the French Reign of Terror, are more likely to kill for political causes, not moral. The idea of committing an immoral act for "moral" purposes seems to be the province of the Theists, and particularly, as I said above, the Patriarchal and the Abrahamic.
However, that doesn't prevent those who kill for political reasons to claim a moral cause.
Heroes.
I'm very sorry she's getting death threats - that's completely horrible. However - she seems a bit loony and scary in a stalker kind-of-way with her obsession over Jolie.
But I don't understand why this woman is still in the news FGS!! Why won't she just GO AWAY?
And having eight babies isn't having octuplets -- that's a litter.
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I'm happy for her? Perhaps is she not white? Is that why she is getting death threats?
Usually it's been my experiences that the Eugenics Crowd (White Master Race Only) people seem to get bent outta shape because they need to find ways of killing off "coloured people", and hate it when they are born in such numbers.
Sorry but this racism shows through.
Now, if she is White I'm totally confused as to why they would threaten her. Usually they get TV spots and wonderful little docudramas.
To all those who think they have to pay for her... Medicare should be UNIVERSAL and no one should pay. and Same with Welfare, if you need it.
Since you make the society it is the "haves" responsibility to make certain their avarice does not kill the "have nots".
But apparently, in America they have forgotten that fact.
but what do you expect from a nation full of some very sick puppies.
Jesus - Some of the biggest welfare frauds in the US are corporations and many of you people probably work for them or are shareholders with them. (Check your 401K) The second biggest frauds are men; the ones who have multiple children with multiple women. This woman is the new girl everyone loves to hate. She has provided the American public with a freak show to watch which has generated lots of revenue for the media. And really some of you should just admit it…you love that this happened. You can’t take your eyes away from it.
but we're ready to kill a pathetic serial momma.
As Mary Hart said last night on ET. ( sorry, only one channel on boob tube at moment or that drivel wouldn't infect my screen )
" We here at ET will keep America updated on this shocking story that has gripped the country"
Need i say more ?
I have enough hate in me for all of these idiots.
And, what is law enforcement doing about the death threats? It's not as if an enail is a hard thing to track down. Since the recipients of the emails felt compelled togo into hiding for their own protection, the senders of those enails are at a minimum guilty of assault. Are these kooks being investigated?
The hateful threats must be coming from the Religious Right fakes that worship the fetus, but hate and ignore the needy babies when born.
People are SO up in arms about their tax money going to support the life of newborns, but don't speak a lick when their same tax money goes to killing hundreds of Iraqi newborns.
And we wonder why we are looking up now and realizing we've been raped. JUST not paying attention.
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