Olmert Announces Unilateral Ceasefire in Gaza
Hopefully this will be successful:
Prime Minster Ehud Olmert on Saturday night announced that Israel's government has voted in favor of a unilateral cease-fire in the Gaza Strip, and will halt its fire from 2 A.M.
The announcement comes after three weeks of fighting in the coastal strip, as Israel launched a massive offensive aimed at halting years of daily rocket fire on its southern communities.
A strong hint at the announcement came earlier Saturday, when Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that Israel was very close to meeting the objectives of its 22-day-old offensive in Hamas-ruled Gaza. "After three weeks of Operation Cast Lead, we are very close to reaching the goals and securing them through diplomatic agreements," Barak said during a visit to the south of the country, according to a statement from his office.
The cabinet is meeting now and will hold a vote on Saturday evening to decide whether to enact a unilateral cease-fire with Hamas in the Gaza Strip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWQuZcXyseA&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBoJQB1JcKg
This state ignored yet another UN Resolution last week and went on with its killing spree and declared a ceasefire when it deemed appropriate, conveniently 2 days before Obama comes in. How pathetic.
This ceasefire was expected, either a couple of days before the 20th or on the 20th. They had a free pass to do whatever they want with our transition. despicable.
They want to bomb the Palestinians into partnership.
hamas has stated that until all idf troops are removed from gaza and the blockade is lifted, they will not honor the cease fire
but this is coming from the hamas leaders in exile
until Allah tells someone to blow somebody else up.
Or will it be one of the chosen people taking a pot shot at somebody.
Tell me how wonderful "faith" is again?
I used to loooovvvve taking pot shots from bongs.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Olmert Announces Unilateral Ceasefire in Gaza"
Translation: Bush is leaving office and it might not be quite so easy to blow up Palestinians with Obama in the White House - wait and see.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
or it could mean that israels running low on white phosperous and thier waiting for hillary rotten clinton to send more along with some of them nice cluster bombs that blow off childrens arms!
It would be most gratifying for Obama to see a multitude of people in front of him on inauguration day wearing this on their coats and hats.
http://buttons.cafepress.com/save-gaza
Sounds like a weekend of fishing and hunting with Dick Cheney.
What objectives did Israel achieve?
Have they killed and cowed enough Palestinians? Will they get out of Gaza and remove the blockade?
Do they believe they won't be charged with war-crimes?
Don't you worry, the US will veto any war crimes claims by the UN, no matter how justified.
A name for an operation that is related to its purpose.
Ie to entice out and identify and exterminate the Hamas structure.
Lead is a term used for sea fishing weights, as they tend to be made of them.
Israel launched a massive offensive aimed at halting years of daily rocket fire on its southern communities?
THERE WERE NOT HAMAS Rockets before nov the 5th DURING THE SEICE FIRE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iymi7RsBXmo&fe...
CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4&fe...
Wooops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
watch only if you have a strong stomache
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-...
Shill?
than a bunch of still photos that have already made the rounds
Why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSzn7XLLM7c&fe...
Even shills like you won't control the Internet and its freedom of imformation.
Take your check and go!
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/fosfo...
This is a UN building with UN vehicles including ambulances being set on fire by WP, and people running for their lives.
ny having his Nation's foremost ally in the Middle East committing mass murder and war crimes on his inauguration day.
They can resume any time, and Mr.O won't raise any objections, as long as the IDF can 'prove' Hamas fired first...
This could and should have been predicted...
It is a totally cynical move.
"Three weeks of fighting"
Fighting? I beg to differ. Bombing a civilian population under blockade can, by no stretch of the imagination be considered by any sane person to be "fighting."
Just as shooting fish in a barrel cannot be considered fishing.
No, what took place in Gaza is 100% war crime.
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those are the facts
It was a huge mistake, but--like the Iraq war, and climate change, both of which are the consequence of other "huge mistakes"--we gotta make the best of it.
The UN had no "right" in 1948 to arbitrarily dispossess a couple of million Palestinian people for a 'humanitarian gesture.' Israel had no "right" to exceed its pre-'67 borders, either.
was there a "nation" in that region, prior to 1948?
did the arab nations have the "right" to attack the new nation because they didnt like the deal (which had absolutely nothing to do with them)
did britain have the "right" to cut up the middle east based on their own whims and the love for oil money?
does jordan have a right to exist?
you know, prior to the roman expulsion...there was indeed a land of israel
it was the romans who renamed it "palestine" not the arabs
several million of them, they were called Palestinians.
Some were muslim, some christian, some jewish.
When does Israel ever do anything in accordance with the UN? They've done quite well ignoring them though. Well, except for those well placed military strikes.
turned a blind eye to rwanda, sudan and the congo
said nothing during the first or second intifadas
condemned israel for every conflict and said nothing about what the arab countries had done
condemned israel for the attack on the iraq nuke facility though...of course, the un was right in that case...cuz we all know that sadaam would never have used nukes against his neighbors
Take a step back and think about it.
The Israelis got their state.
It's now time for the Palestinians to have their state.
It's as simple as that.
Israel needs to pull out of the Palestinian lands and this just needs to end.
the palestinians have been offered a state on 4 occasions...despite the fact that they never had one before
1922, 1937, 1947, 2000
each time they turned it down, because it still meant that there would be a state of israel next door
israel is being asked to return to pre 1967 borders...but they already offered that in 2000
in 1948, they were already at pre 1967 borders...and they were still attacked
the plo was formed in 1964...3 years before an "occupation" and long before the first settlement was built
these remain facts
Israel has violated INTERNATIONAL LAW since 1967.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSzn7XLLM7c&fe...
But you still want "THE GREATEST ISRAEL"
Fool!
he's just doing a circlejerk. Says Israel has a right to exist because the UN created it, and then goes on to say the UN is irrelevant. Seems a tad confused almost shellshocked.
Look how the ZIONISTS care about UN. The same UN that created ISRAEL in 1947:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxeTxD_kZ4&fe...
In 2000 Israel broke the negotiations.
That remains a fact.
What next? Apartheid-Israel? What a lovely country.
They are going to suffer the fate of South Africa, isolation , sanctions and decline.
They went one step too far in their blockade and attack on Gaza, killing 1000 plus, wounding many times that and attacking UN installations with artillery tanks and airplanes tut tut.
They cant justify this behavior, not when the world is watching.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/fosfo...
Is the UN irrelevant, like your post is trying to say, or not. If it's irrelevant, than so is the existance of Israel.
ConcernedCanuck
I believe that you have exposed Tubesox's tautology for what it is and that would be a blatant falsehood. Seeing him attempting to justify Israel's aggression is similar to the scene in The Maltese Falcon when the cast of characters in that classic film cry out, after they scape off the paint off the bird, that "It's a fake! It's a fake!"
tends to run around in circles with arguments concerning Israel. When proven wrong, spins around like a Republican, and changes the discussion topic.
no, you have not
so allow me a bit of leeway in "excusing" israel for their actions
I think everyone on this site has faulted Hamas for placing the people of Gaza between them in their fight with Israel.
But you're spinning again, since the comments right before yours are about how you use the UN to support one part of your argument and ridicule them in the next.
And in this case Israel is the one racking up the body count.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I love the Maltese Falcon.
Casablanca's a good one too.
There's another one with Humphrey Bogart and Lauren Bacall, I always forget the title to, but Lauren plays one half of two wild rich sisters, and Bogart's Sam Spade.
"You know how to make a phone call don't you? You just stick your finger in the hole and make tiny little circles."
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Thanks, ysb. You are in fine form again tonight!
to have and have not
except that the un has been taken over by factions which are corrupt and immoral
this is the same un that put sudan on its human rights board
dont make me laugh
Right and only now have we had corrupt and immoral politicians in the Congress, or the Parliament, or the Knesset.
Additionally, the Sudan is not the subject of the thread, so that's another example of your spinning.
Time for Radox, Pears and Pinaud.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
What the hell were they? Anybody???
that the Gazans will just walk into the sea and drown...also know as 'ethnic cleansing.' Israesl like every other 'nation' in the world, has territorial ambitions. Gaza would be a real treat for 'em. Nice beach, natural gas...what's not to like?
Kill women and children and call them terrorists. At the same time, show new US Prez, that they took Uncle Sammy's cue and now will attack whoever they want "to defend themselves" in case they are attacked in the future.
all those down in the dumps Teenygoopers sad at Chimpy leaving office with two failed wars under his belt, they decided to give him a sending off with some good old fashioned biblical genocide Falujah style.
They even used some of Chimpy's WP on some civilians to show their gratitude, and keep the gun nut basement dwellers moist.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/fosfo...
Just remember whenever a neocon is next on TV and babbling their lies, theres a 99% chance that they are one of the many apologists for genocide.
Government is Israels lapdog, when in doubt see the you tubes in my first post, they have a bunch of goons around every time there is a press gaggle
The assault on Gaza wasn't an attack on Hamas, it was an attack on Palestinian civilians - an attempt to, as David ben Gurion disgustingly said, "Drive them out".
The Palestinians didn't budge because it's their home. Occupations only ever succeed by committing genocide on the population (e.g. the US, Australia).
And there's also the fact that Israel is losing the propaganda war - the facts are out about the deliberate targeting of civilians. That is no different from Israel's tactics in the past, except that this time, they got caught.
No doubt we'll see even tighter restrictions on journalists gaining access to the region. You can't report war crimes if there aren't any reporters.
does wonders for stopping the reporting of nasty unapproved stories.
How soon 'till someone tries to give kindanasty rice the credit?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Hillary's baby now.
Even Jews admit they treat the Palestinians like animals.
Olmert is simply telling them he'll quit beating them, as long as they crawl back in their cage.
If Obama ends up backing these Zionist monsters, he won't only destroy his own dignity, he'll bring down his whole party as well.
"we treat them like animals" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA3QzmWTp20
you need to edit your post to delete the plural
Israeli settlers attack Palestinian shepherds and international accompaniers with large rocks. They manage to steal a donkey and stab it to death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFPaPaURfI0&eu...
mms://media2.sonara.net/online2
copy and paste into windows media player
L.A. Times/dog trainer...
Israel calls a welcome but arbitrary "unilateral" ceasefire (meaningless self-contradictory phrase) because...
I hope I'm wrong, but honestly how is this particular war crime going to "end"?
The Palestinian People must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”
- Moshe Yaalon, Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002.
Judging by the English translation of the 2002 interview with Moshe Ya'alon at www.haaretz.com, this quotation...
"The Palestinian People must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”
... is apparently not correct. Seductively catchy, but not exactly what Ya'alon was saying.
The interview is online here. "Burning" or "internalizing" occurs in two places. The first is here:
The second place is here:
I first read the "defeated people" in a Rashid Khalidi article online somewhere. It was such a striking turn of phrase and seemed to fit so neatly into my own preferred interpretation of events that I wanted to know the original source if I could. A Yahoo! web search turned up an article in Commentary Magazine. I know! I know! The article appears in a rabidly right-wing NeoCon rag and their article refuting Khalidi's version of the Ya'alon quote conveniently did not link to the original source. SOOO I went the extra mile and dug up the original interview still on the Haaretz site, and in this case they appear to be correct. It happens sometimes.
I myself do not speak or write Hebrew (or Arabic), so I'm still relying on Haaretz's English translation here. Perhaps the original Hebrew has a possibly different translation, but the online English version clearly does not have Ya'alon saying the Palestinians must know they are "defeated people".
For what it's worth.
I'm not in anyway defending what the Israeli state is doing which is in the end demanding the Palestinians admit defeat in their own land first, THEN Israel will "give them" their own "sovereign state"-- how does that work?
Just like to keep the documentation straight. Lord knows the world is confusing enough.
Olmert is a war criminal.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHwyW9xOyI
ROFLMAO
before a bill was passed in the US CONgress supporting Israel's "right to defend itself" (thanks Pelosi, you plastic surgery freak), UNICEF estimated that 800,000 Gazans did not have running water and 1 million were living without electricity. Now why would they fire rockets at Israel when Israel has made life so comfortable for them? Now it's reported, the US also is now providing Israel's fuel for their military. AND paying to ship it to them on top of that!
It's not really Gazan's or Hamas firing those rockets.
As Gaza is a strip on land on the coast about five miles wide, it wouldnt be that hard to fire a few rockets from a ship close to shore and say Hamas did it.
The IDF admitted Hamas wasnt the ones firing the rockets in nov/dec, so who else could have done it.
Retrieving a little girls corpse from the streets. Parents forced to watch as girl is devoured by stray dogs over five days. Parents finally killed by Israhelli snipers as they attempted to retrieve her body...
http://uruknet.info/?p=m50888&hd=&size=1&l=e
Far worse than when they intentionally ran over Rachel Corrie with a tank.
This is implying that Israel has trained attack dogs that are starved and trained to eat Palestinians. Nonsense.
But , it could be abandoned dogs or wild dogs from the area. Abandoned dogs that were once pets would not eat humans.
Rabid wild dogs might.
But this is disinformation at best. In other words, Bullshit.
If you've been following this on going thread, You'll know that I deplore what Israel is doing.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAvaYY-y7Q
will grow up to be a great Israeli leader.
this is kind of similar, from 2005:
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http://freedomarchives.org/pipermail/news_fre...
Maybe it wasn't wild dogs after all.
Big difference between being attacked and bitten by a dog and being eaten by a dog. bullshit.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
that depends on if you are the parent of a child that is being attacked by it. I don't know, I'm not saying you are wrong. Maybe being caught up in the moment, they thought that is what was happening. I didn't find any evidence anywhere online to prove this story.
I read about this now.
But one thing is perfectly clear to me. A vast majority of the people being killed in this are unarmed defenseless civilians. Israel should be proud. They' have truly become what they hated the most. Nazi's. This is the same shit the Nazi's did to them. minus the ovens.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
white phosphorus is just as burning as the ovens, excepting in the matter of numbers.
Theres a rather nasty photo of a female prisoner with shaved head cowering as a guard dog lunges at her.
Its SOP for brutal but lazy occupiers and torturers to use dogs as an easy way of intimidating the sub human prisoners as they are considered.
Read up on the concentration camps, dogs were common tools there.
http://uruknet.info/?p=m50891&hd=&size=1&l=e
"Dad, I'm dying."
The words keep echoing in Kamal Awaga's ears, sending jolts of pain into his feeble, wounded body.
These were the last words uttered by his 9-year-old son, Ibrahim, before he ended up as a practicing target for Israeli soldiers.
"They killed my son in cold blood," says the grief-stricken father, still in a state of shock.
Ibrahim joined more than 350 children killed by Israel in its three-week onslaught on the coastal enclave.
But while others fell victim to killer bullets or deadly bombs, Ibrahim's fate was even more tragic.
He became a shooting practice for a squad of Israeli soldiers.
"The Israelis did not show mercy for his innocence," said his tearful father from his bed at the Al-Shefa hospital in Gaza City.
"They had no pity for his tiny body," added the heart-broken father.
Gawd's Chosen People act like this? I think not. Hitler taught them well.
Maybe off-topic but here goes:
I finished soaking in my tub filled with Radox, Pears and Pinaud, whilst listening to Siouxsie and the Banshees and read this is Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics:
"...But men are corrupted through pleasures and pain, that is, either by pursuing and avoiding the wrong pleasures and pains, or by pursuing and avoiding them at the wrong time, or in the wrong manner, or in one of the other wrong ways under which error of conduct can be logically classified.
"But the following considerations also will give uf further light on the point.
"(5) There are three things that are the motives of choice and three that are the motives of avoidance; namely, the noble, the expedient, and the pleasant, and their opposites, the base, the harmful and the painful. Now in respect of all these the good man is likely to go right and the bad to go wrong, but especially in respect of pleasure...And again, it is harder to fight against pleasure than against anger (hard that is as Heraclitus says: 'Whatever it (anger) wishes to get, it purchases at the cost of life.')...(B)ut virtue, like, art, is constantly dealing with what is harder, since the harder the task the better is success. For this reason also therefore pleasure and pain (positive/negative reinforcement), are necessarily the main concerns both of virtue and of POLITICAL SCIENCE (Emphasis mine), since he who comports himself towards them rightly will be good, and he who does so wrongly, bad."
"...It is correct therefore to say that a man becomes just by doing just actions and temperate by doing temperate actions; and no one can have the remotest chance of becoming good without doing them. But the mass of mankind, instead of doing virtueous acts, have recourse in discussing virtue, and fancy that they are so doing they act like invalids who listen carefully the what the doctor says, but entirely neglects to carry out his prescription. That sort of philosophy will more lead to a healthy state of soul than will the mode of treatment produce health of body.
"...In the same an expert in any art avoids excess and deficiency, and seeks and adopts the mean...is more accurate and better...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The Evil Guide
As John Locke said, "Ja nais sais quoi." I'm among the mass of mankind.
Aristotle addresses evil for evil sake:
"Not every action or emotion however admits of the observance of a due mean. Indeed the very names of some directly imply evil for instance malice, shamelesness, envy, and, of actions adultery, theft murder..."
However, Aristotle's argument for the golden mean matches my view on proportionality of Israel's response. A response was necessitated, but not to this extreme.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Uri Avnery uses the term "seared", which is the closest translation from the original quote in Hebrew.
Mr. Avnery wrote an excellent article today, titled "The Boss Has Gone Mad". The article has been published on Avnery's website, but for some reason it's very slow to load.
So, here's the Google cached page of the article.
Mudshark, in many parts of the world, especially regions where there's a lot of poverty like South America, Africa, and parts of Asia, stray dogs are very common.
Having a dog for a pet is a rarity in the Middle East. Dogs are used mostly as guard dogs. You won't see anyone taking their poodle to the groomer, for example.
Growing up in Israel, I used to see two or three stray dogs a week.
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As for this specific incident, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss it if I were you. Due to the long siege on Gaza, people there are eating boiled cabbage at this point. They showed that on the BBC today. According to the UN, more than 80% of Gazans eat only one meal a day when the UN's humanitarian aid is allowed into Gaza.
Now, if you take into account the fact that stray dogs are usually starving and will often rummage through garbage to find food, then what happens if there are no leftovers in the garbage?
This state ignored yet another UN Resolution last week and went on with its killing spree and declared a ceasefire when it deemed appropriate, conveniently 2 days before Obama comes in. How pathetic.
This ceasefire was expected, either a couple of days before the 20th or on the 20th. They had a free pass to do whatever they want with our transition. despicable.
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