Sarkozy Says Israel Accepts Gaza Truce Plan
By Susie Madrak Wednesday Jan 07, 2009 11:08amThis, of course, is welcome news for the beleagured Palestinians:
PARIS (Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Wednesday Israel and the Palestinian Authority had accepted a truce plan for Gaza announced by Egypt on Tuesday.
"The president is delighted by the acceptance by Israel and the Palestinian Authority of the Franco-Egyptian plan presented last night in Sharm el-Sheikh by (Egyptian) President (Hosni) Mubarak," said a statement from Sarkozy's office.
"The head of state calls for this plan to be implemented as quickly as possible for the suffering of the population to stop."
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Well done Sarkozy!
I just wanted this at the front of the thread so that all the die hard pro-Israel people can read this.
I will lay this out in very simple terms.
Israel is a dirty nasty little rascist country.
It is worse than the Segregationist South and the Apartheid South Africa.
It is a toss up over which is worse Nationalist Serbia, Nazi Germany or Jewish Israel.
The Jews that support Israel are the exact same kinds of people that supported the Nazi Party or joined the Klan in the South.
The solution to the "Palestine Problem" faced by Israel is just like the solution to the "Black Problem" faced by the American South, or the "Jewish Problem" faced by Nazi Germany.
You quit herding your undesirable people into Ghettos and you treat them with human dignity and economic equality.
END OF ARGUMENT...
Upchuck, you're not alone. Some Israeli Jews who see what's really happening would agree with you.
Yosi Sarid, an Israeli Knesset (parliament) member wrote the following article. Everyone who hasn't a clue should read it:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052057.html
an argument as a cry for mental health care. I hope help arrives soon.
Let's start with the idea that you can get away with herding all the little brown skinned Palestinians into Ghettos so that "God's Chosen People" can establish "God's Kingdom on Earth".
The craziest part about this is that Israelis act surprised when the Palestinians start firing rockets at them.
Hello... Earth to God's chosen People...
People become violent when you treat them into little Ghettos.
Warsaw Ghetto riots ring a bell.
Is building himself quite a nice legacy.
Sarkozy had no choice. France has a large Muslim and Jewish population. France would have been the second front in this war. Israel needed to end it because they knew this was going to become bigger than they could handle. With Obama in office I doubt he would have gone to war for them. Sad about all the dead children though. Israel really lost this one too.
Whether he had to or not, it is still to his credit that he managed to broker a deal. It took patience and diplomatic skills, which in their absence would have not led to his success, no matter how much he needed to succeed due to the local politics of France.
he shares my taste for attractive brunettes. I am disposed to like him on both counts.
According to Yahoo news, the fighting has resumed after a short break.
Oh yeah, and Joe the Plumber is now a war correspondent for a web site.
(hopefully) takes effect?
It says the truce was short lived:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_...
to allow in humanitarian aid
Peacetime is just the lull between fighting to reload.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMMqbuuxYQ0
What website would have ol' Joe as a war correspondent?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_...
Wow, this guy is like the Forest Gump of the 21st Century.
To see what the average Joe Israeli thinks.
So now Joe the Fraudulent Plumber can become Joe the Fraudulent War Correspondent? It’s wingnut welfare wonderful?
From here on, first rocket fired from either side,
gets a one-way ticket to HELL!
Anybody want to bet on how long it will take Hamas to launch another one of Iran's rockets?
I give it a day.
GW Shrub was not able to partake in this peace-keeping effort. What's the countdown to his redundancy again? Oh yeah, that was 2001.
although any respite from the brutality (and aid for the innocent victims of this horror) is certainly welcome.
A complete "ceasefire" will hinge on a number of factors.
How can a cease fire be negotiated if Hamas, the democratically elected ruling party, is not allowed to participate? That makes as much sense as G-Dub attacking Iraq due to the 9/11 attacks.
Its a very complex problem beset by insufferable intransigence and cycnical politicism.
a question none of the "oh those poor Israelis" reporters can't seem to get out of their mouths. The media, Israel and Uncle Sammy can call Hamas anything they want, including terrorists, but the bottom line is, they were democratically elected to speak for people in the Gaza compound (it isn't a strip, it's a jail cell).
Concerned Canuck,
You mentioned that Hamas was "democratically eleceted" to speak for "the people of Gaza"
Need I remind you of how wrong WE got it TWO times in a row. Citizens are fooled all the time by false promises and sound bites. Without presuming to know that much around the election that put "these people" in power, would it be fair to assume that maybe the every day hard working Palestinian were simply fooled into believing lies?
My guess is that HAMAS is really not the choice that most of them would have chosen.
Let's go with that. Who would they choose?
The relations between Fatah and Israel on the West Bank have been improving. I understand that Israel is giving ground to some US trained Fatah security forces.
Gaza residents could have chosen Fatah, but decided to be represented by the much more extreme Hamas.
http://www.alternet.org/audits/116855/america...
The people(prisoners) of Gaza were not happy with the Palestinian Authority's lack of leadership and so they voted for change. Does that make Hamas any less legit than any other election/selection in any other country that has democratic elections?
The difference is the US elections were not held up to the kind of intense International scrutiny-never mind interference-that the Hamas/Fatah contest was.Maybe it should be.
what does it matter if they were democratically elected? If they use suicide bombers and unguided rockets fired at civilian populations as instruments of official policy it doesn't really matter whether or not Hamas was elected. The Israeli government was also elected. Does that give them carte blanche? I think not.
The finalization of any "truce" will culminate weeks down the road, only after Israel has had time to complete its little "operation" against the Palestinians. During that time, hundreds more innocent Palestinian civilians will loose their life, tens of thousands more will be homeless and the infrastructure will be completely demolished. Only after big, bad Israel has relieved itself of its seemingly insatiable appetite for disproportionate and inhumane violence, will the Palestinians have a moment of
peacequiet. Israel decides. Oh, and the perennial "Peace Process" is a farce and a sick joke.http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/01/...
..IDF casualties were friendly fire
will do that. It's similar to Cheney shooting quail. So excited. Gotta shoot. Oops.
...just watched the Zohan before they went out
At this point I don't care who gets the credit just as long as they can bring the killing and dying to a halt. Condi keeps saying it has to be a lasting cease fire, but for those who are being fired upon, I imagine they would take any sort of cease fire they can get right now. I think if any country or countries can give the people of Gaza what they want and need, they will quickly turn their backs on Hamas.
at a time, for starters?
This is a good thing. For the beleaguered Palestinians and the beleaguered Israelis who've been hit by rockets for years.
It don't mean diddley if Hamas ain't on board.
Already begun with the revisionism....nice.
are you saying that southern israel has not been bombarded by rockets shot by hamas?
According to some they were just sparklers.
totally absurd
i suggest you take a trip to sderot
when the air raid sirens go off...dont go into a bomb shelter
just stand there until one of those "sparklers" hits near you
dont worrry...it wont hurt
Apparently many of them don't think this slaughter is worth it.
there are thousands that live in sderot
opinions are mixed
the article is misleading when it speaks of "calm"
even during the cease fire, hamas continued to fire rockets, except at a reduced rate
there are over a million residents of gaza, less than 600 have been killed in a weeks worth of fighting
why do you insist on using terms like "slaughter"?
wanna know what slaughter is? look up what jordan did in 71....in 11 days, jordanian troups killed between 3 and 25 thousand palestininians....now that is a slaughter
i suggest you google headlines during that time....the world was pretty quiet about that action
and Israel isn't Jordan.
israel is not jordan
jordan slaughtered those people
israel has gone out of its way to keep civilian deaths at a minimum
glad you see things my way
took a bit of work...welcome back from the dark side
Do you understand the term "proxy government"? I suggest you Google it.
The leaders of many countries in the Middle East are merely sock puppets controlled by Britain and then later by the U.S.. King Abdullah was one of them.
But that's besides the point. The point is, no matter the moral equivalency in which you'd like to place Israel, it continues to commit war crimes against the Palestinians in their own land.
Egypt is not Palestine, Jordan is not Palestine. Palestine is what Israel stole and it must acknowledge its crimes and reach a just compromise with the Palestinians.
prior to 1948, did any arab residents of "palestine" carry palestinian passports?
did gazans carry palestinian passports?
if not...what passports did they carry
what land did israel "steal"?
oh thats right...you think they started the wars of 48, 56, 67 and 72....can you send me a copy of your history book...i love comedy
Historical revisionism seems to be your forte.
I'm leaving to have dinner with friends.
was there such a thing as an Israeli passport?
Sreichgott subtlely only mentioned the Israeli pain and suffering and not the Palestinians...a gross overlook.
Read the post again.
havent you noticed the selective reading that has been going on, on this blog
people believe what they want
they dont care about the truth
israel...bad
palestinians...good
that is all they want to see
... Americans have no appreciation of irony.
But there's plenty of blame to go around for both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
Neither party is innocent.
Neither party is beyond redemption.
who has kept its part of the border shut tight also
who has done nothing to stop the smuggling of weapons through tunnels
lets be honest here...the arab countries continue to benefit from the misery of the palestinians
it takes the worlds eye away from their own corruption
But we're talkin about Palestine and Israel.
Not Egypt, not other Arab nations.
from not pressuring Jordan and Egypt to withdraw from the newly minted State of Palestine in 1949, to paying "blood money" to the families of "martyrs" to the gross negligence in paying the promised financial support. No one gave a rats ass about the Palestinians until and only until Israel kicked Jordan and Egypt out of the State of Palestine in 1967. THEN the world cared.
No. one. really. gives. a shit. no one
The problem is they never left "the State of Palestine" and have been occupying their land and building illegal settlements ever since.
and it shows your hypocracy
egypt also has a border with gaza
prior to 67, egypt controlled gaza
did anyone care about the gazan's plight then?
does anyone care that egypt doesnt open its border to the gazans?
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:A7eAy02kF...
nice
you dont have an answer
much easier to blame israel for the plight of the gazans
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Y2pIMvIuP...
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0706/Kofi_...
http://api.ning.com/files/D2OJgrhWGDvN6ML2*Vn...
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/JustinB...
The beating you are presently receiving is not because we are anti-Israel, it's because we hate violence, especially of the helpless and the innocent...anywhere! You know, like loving our Nation while despising the acts of our leaders?
sderot?
come on
im not an idiot
http://www.masada2000.org/Who-Us.html
That was sarcasm.
http://api.ning.com/files/D2OJgrhWGDvN6ML2*Vn...
is not occupying Palestine. Egypt is not killing Palestinian civilians. Egypt is not blockading humanitarian aid entering into Gaza from the sea. But Isreal is.
Egypt does whatever Israel asks it to do because the United States controls Egypt. You've got. I wonder why it's hard for others to grasp that very simple fact. They also seem to forget that Israel is the one that displaced the Palestinians from their own homeland and sent Palestinian refugees to the four corners of the world.
Someone's got it right. It's called being "Stunningly Superficial".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mk18af8z9Y
from the egyptian border...nor are journalists being allowed in
israel no longer occupies gaza...you mustve missed the withdrawal in 05
you dont care about liberty...you just care about your own spin on the issue
please change your nic
It's kind of amusing how you keep ignoring the fact that Egypt's Mubarak does whatever Washington tells him to do.
Israel control's Gaza's land borders, airspace, and maritime waters. In fact, whenever Gaza's fishermen went out to fish since 2005, the Israeli navy has shot at them, rammed their boats and forced them back inland.
You need a short lesson in history, tubesox the plumber.
In 1956, Israel, with the help of France and Britain, attacked Egypt. All the while between 1948 and 1956 Egypt was trying to help the Palestinians. That's how Gaza ended up being under Egyptian control, it was were the armistice line was drawn. In 1967 Egypt lost the war and Gaza was occupied by Israel.
You're not going for the truth, I see. You're merely posting counter comments in hopes of reducing the blame on Israel, by whichever means necessary. In other words, your sole function on this blog is to confuse the issue and introduce trivial details that ignore the big picture.
between 48 and 56 egypt was trying to help the palestinians??? how is that?
they annexed the land...but provided no citizenship for its people...holding them in limbo...to be continually given refugee status.
are you trying to suggest that the war of 1948 was done to "free the gazans"????
nuts to that
and israel attacked egypt in 1956 only when egypt blocked access to the suez canal and broke the armistice....you left that point out
but of course you did...because you get your history from neo nazi sites
oh...and during the 50s, palestinians were committing acts of terrorism across the gazan border...this is before israel held control of gaza
so there goes the theory that the terrorism of gazans has anything to do with occupation
Actually I get my history from Israeli historians, including, but not limited to, Tom Segev and Benny Morris.
You seem to get your history from Wikipedia.
youve heard of that place...4 walls, teachers, books, pens, pencils, tests
had a whole section in world history on the mideast conflict
oh, and i try to stay away from israeli intellectuals who provide a selective history
benny is one
I like how you conveniently dropped the article when saying "Palestinians were committing acts of terrorism..." Some, all, many, most, a few? You don't say. And I doubt your reasons are intellectually honest -- to us, or to yourself.
Until you realize that you can't blame an entire group for the actions of a few within that group (collective punishment), the world will be against you.
On another thread tubesox said that Egypt is keeping their border locked tighter than the Israelis. Now, they they do nothing against smuggling weapons. Which is it?
For you to read tubesox. See even Israelis don't want this happening.
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/1...
ya...overwhelming majority
that agree with your biased black and white opinion? Have you ever been to Israel, or do you only appear on Israeli threads as a coinkydink, considering you post no place else on here.
of majority
i always thought of it as over 50 percent
now i see...2.5 percent is a majority opinion
in that case...when is kucinich being seated as the next president?
You read what you want, interpreting it in your own screwed up view. Do you troll this site just waiting for Israel posts? I've never seen you post on anything else. That is trolling, not?
I'm starting to think Zionists, and Israeli supporting warmongers get off on all the death and violence, as long as it isn't them that is in the battle.
by misusing the term "chosen people"
i have nothing more to say to you
you wont be happy until hitlers vision finally comes true
If that's all it takes........
Wow...when someone doesn't feel the same as you regarding Israel...they're automatically Nazi's?
That's very telling tubesox.
the misuse of the term "chosen people" to say that jews see themselves as superior is what did it
but you care to read what you want
you're statement...but were I in your shoes...
I wouldn't be callin out anyone on selective readin.
Just sayin.
GODWIN'S LAW, and tubesox you lost the argument.
Ya beet me to it! LOL!
quick usenet flamewar reflexes in action
Still, right on the money though.
....again.
Dang, I was beat to it.
I don't see where CC stated majority in the thread. I see the word "many" and "some". But as you said, some people see, and I guess read, what they want.
he said "even israelis dont want this happening"
in an attempt to present this as a majority opinion
he couldve said "some israelis" he did not
Just collateral damage, simply by the numbers. Boy are you a tough man...when typing.
People do belive what they want.
Most people in Isreal...good
Most people in Palestine...good
Some people in Isreal...bad
Some people in Palestine...bad
Let's at least be honest.
right on the money!
"This is a good thing. For the beleaguered Palestinians and the beleaguered Israeli's who've been hit by rockets for years."
Tubesox reiterated that extra and bias point at post 11:41.
...people believe that your lives are more precious than the Palestinians..
Actually LandL, they sound like the Republican shills on television before the Iraq invasion, not? Kill, kill, kill, kill....programmed to chant mindlessly.
How else should republicans chant anything?
And I side with anyone who is anti-violence.
Anti common sense. What is it with the bloodthirsty trolls that come out on every Israeli post?
What's happening at the moment is tragic. As Sampson pointed out in an earlier thread, there is plenty of blame to go around.
Unfortunately, many posters criticizing Israel's actions step over the line into full blown racism. What is happening at Gaza is NOT justification for Israel to be "bombed out of existence" as Dadams claimed days ago. The missles which Hamas is firing are NOT sparklers, as Milquetoast claimed yesterday (or the day before).
The deaths of 600 civilians is NOT genocide nor is Israel deliberately targetting civilians. With over 1 million Gaza residents, the IDF could have killed tens of thousands had they wanted to.
Israel is NOT trying to drive the Palestinians into the sea. There is no fighting going on in the West Bank. Productive negotiations are continuing between Fatah and Israel.
The situation is much more complex than a lot of anti-Israeli comments suggest. The same tunnels that transport fuel and medical supplies are also used to transport missiles (not sparklers).
Whether Israel broke the cease fire is open to debate. In early November, Israel attacked a tunnel entrance in Gaza. One Hamas militant was killed. The tunnel was being dug from Gaza into Israel by Hamas. The IDF was rightly concerned about the uses that the tunnel would be put to and warned Hamas (though Egypt) that the tunnel would be destroyed. Once the tunnel was destroyed, Hamas began an intensive rocket barrage. Israel responded and 5 more Hamas militants died. Was Israel alone at fault?
I don't think that anyone here, at least not that I've seen is callin for the destruction of Israel.
This is obviously a very touchy subject.
And we ALL need to take a step back and try not to get crazy here!
And that said...Pro-Hamas? Really?
Because some aren't in love with the way Israel uses excessive force to retaliate doesn't mean they're (we're) Pro-Hamas...that's pretty ridiculous!
again with the argument of "proportionality"
was it proportional when hamas, in answer to israel bombing a tunnel, began firing hundred of rockets upon civilians?
Is it porportional for Isreal to occupy someone elses land, build settlements on it in violation of the law, completely shut off all access for food, supplies, fuel, etc?
Christ on a fuckin cracker!
This isn't a clear cut, black and white issue!
I don't KNOW the damn answer!
But I do know that if maybe the Israeli govt. started treating the Palestines like humans, and not illegally annexing their land, destroying 1000 year old olive groves
for settlers, then MAYBE the Palestinians wouldn't launch rockets into Israel...but both sides are proud and stubborn.
And this fight likely will continue forever.
as i recall, the building of gush katif occured after 67...in response for a need of a security buffer zone between israel and egypt...call it what you will, but israel won that war
same with every other settlement
israel doesnt need security buffers?
tell that to the victims of suicide bombers
Are you really saying that every settlement in the middle of Palestinian land is a security buffer?
That arguement gets so old. Sounds like the neocon "Against the Iraq war=don't support the troops", "Against the enhanced interogation techniques=unamerican", etc.
Fired from the hip before fully reading Bob Roberts post...
I hate when I do that.
Still though...let's all take it easy.
Eerily similar.
Rabbi Perin: "A million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail".
Bet you anything that none of the Israeli terrorists that committed these crimes against humanity ever serve a day in prison. Just like the Bush terrorists it seems that putting these war criminals in to prison or executing them is a justice religated to the past.
of course, that wont happen
Due process is anathema for neo-cons. Nasty courts always asking for "evidence."
Much more efficient to just execute.
israel does prosecute those who have been accused of crimes
unlike the palestinians...who make alters to their war criminals
has there ever been a prosecution of any terrorists anywhere in the palestinian territory?
dont even bother googling...never happened
How do you prosecute "terrorist" Palestinians that are dead there tubesox?
your circular arguments are rediculous
So is your spelling for ridiculous.
Actually that was a logical question, albeit possibly a Argumentum ad Reductio.
And in a single sentence it would be hard to prove a tautology.
I much prefer tauntology.
Opinion...
... the guy who couldn't spell and spent Saturday night in the warehouse.
Israel gives sham prosecutions for a few who have been CAUGHT and EXPOSED committing war crimes. And a great majority of the time, the culprits are given a slap on the wrist. You know that, or at least should know that.
Modern day version of the Goddess Anath (source of the word anathema, much used by Catholic documents to proscribe "heretical teachings."
http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/rhydin/7...
Certainly gives one a peaceful easy feeling.
Hope it can last at least a little while.
The whole reason for this incursion is now making more sense. Israel has never liked the fact that the Palestinians elected a Hamas government. The Palestinian Authority is not the legitimate government of the Palestinians -- so how do you figure they can make a truce?
This is Israel's way of ignoring the election outcome in Palestine. They would, for whatever reason, prefer dealing with the Palestinian Authority -- and it looks like that is who they will be dealing with from now on...despite any pesky elections.
Israeli Prime Minister under indictment for bribery.
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-09-07-israel...
Israeli President a sex pervert.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-335...
They are the chosen ones. Just ask them, and they'll tell you, well, just as soon as they are done killing.
Eh...no biggie.
I always thunk it funny that in WWII we had the Master Race destroying the Chosen Ones, and our Messianic Nation helped defeat the Master Race(along with the help of the nation who thought the Coming of the Workers Paradise was a force like evolution).
Every country thinks they're the Axis Mundi.
I just don't understand how anyone, whether really Jewish, or black, or white or purple, would cheer on this slaughter and ignore anything offered that shows there is no good guy vs. bad guy just innocent people being killed. Maybe it's actually Dick Cheney posting. Then I could understand the mentality.
doing the dying. that's how
the misuse of the term "chosen people" is done by anti semites
the term correctly used means chosen to keep the laws of the torah
it has nothing to do with superiority of any kind
anti semites know this...but dont care
i accuse concerned canuck of being an anti semite
in his country, i could swear out a warrant for his arrest for posting hate speach
!
You are trolling and flaming anyone on this site that differs in opinion from you. That alone can get you kicked off. The staff is being nice to you for some reason. Maybe they are tracing you to see if it really is you Dick. Either or, I tire of your childish diatribes that bring nothing to the subject at hand except deflect, dodge, weave, and "but, but, but....."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxmg1rCw5A
Haven't heard that one in a long time ysb!!
.
show me one personal insult that i used
you used the term to present a concept that is not based in fact
i demand that it be deleted
We're all regulars here...you show up one day, seemingly outta nowhere, stirrin up shit...
Methinks you may well be a troll.
that you are correct.
You make me miss Dennis...he was a troll with a mind.
Spare me Dennis! :-D
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