U.S. Tries to Untangle Relationship Between Taliban and Pakistan Spy Agency
By Susie Madrak Thursday Mar 26, 2009 3:00pmSo they've confirmed the long-suspected link. But Pakistan says they're just keeping track of what they're up to:
WASHINGTON — The Taliban’s widening campaign in southern Afghanistan is made possible in part by direct support from operatives in Pakistan’s military intelligence agency, despite Pakistani government promises to sever ties to militant groups fighting in Afghanistan, according to American government officials.
The support consists of money, military supplies and strategic planning guidance to Taliban commanders who are gearing up to confront the international force in Afghanistan that will soon include some 17,000 American reinforcements.
Support for the Taliban, as well as other militant groups, is coordinated by operatives inside the shadowy S Wing of Pakistan’s spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, the officials said. There is even evidence that ISI operatives meet regularly with Taliban commanders to discuss whether to intensify or scale back violence before the Afghan elections.
Details of the ISI’s continuing ties to militant groups were described by a half-dozen American, Pakistani and other security officials during recent interviews in Washington and the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. All requested anonymity because they were discussing classified and sensitive intelligence information.
[...] But the inability, or unwillingness, of the embattled civilian government, led by President Asif Ali Zardari, to break the ties that bind the ISI to the militants illustrates the complexities of a region of shifting alliances. Obama administration officials admit that they are struggling to understand these allegiances as they try to forge a strategy to quell violence in Afghanistan, which has intensified because of a resurgent Taliban. Fighting this insurgency is difficult enough, officials said, without having to worry about an allied spy service’s supporting the enemy.
But the Pakistanis offered a more nuanced portrait. They said the contacts were less threatening than the American officials depicted and were part of a strategy to maintain influence in Afghanistan for the day when American forces would withdraw and leave what they fear could be a power vacuum to be filled by India, Pakistan’s archenemy. A senior Pakistani military officer said, “In intelligence, you have to be in contact with your enemy or you are running blind.”








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relationship not 100% confirmed as fact? 1991?
into untangling things?
I believe there is evidence linking the ISI to planning and or abetting in the 911 attacks.
Not that that would make any difference to the US as they are our ally in the terror on war on terror.
Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ek8JFEjsUc
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia had more to do with 9/11 than any other arab country.
But yes, ISI was up to its neck in planning for 9/11. Not coincidentally, there are still strong ties between ISI and the CIA. Hey! Did you hear that? That was the sound of thousands of people in authority looking the other way... .
the Taliban become the enemy? When were they ever responsible for this pretend terror war? Why is the Obama administration the exact same BS lies as the Bush Regime?
I know cc, I was trying to remember when the word "Al Queda" disappeared from Afghanistan. I think it was in the last months of the Bush administration that the media started to refer to all attacks in Afghanistan as having been committed by the Taliban.
No moere Al Queda.
Hmmm.
Which of those two groups does the dead guy Osama du Jour run?
I'm sure he'll be Iranian.
I think they became the enemy right around the time they decided to not participate in Unocal's pipeline project. War was decided to be undertaken on Sept. 10/01
Still guarding a pipeline or is there some new reason for this escalation?
Has Obama even explained his rationale?
911 was done by Saudi Arabia. US invades Iraq. NATO invades Afghanistan to round up AlQaeda, who just happen to now be in Iraq. So the powers that be, decided, hey all poor brown people are the same, so we'll just change the name from AlQaeda to those evil Taliban. Then we bomb Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and send excursions into Iran to stir up those hornets too.
It goes by that old saying "here is the real story, oh look at that shiny rock".
Europeans and the European press took it as a given that JFK had been offed by a conspiracy of government insiders (CIA, military, etc.).
Americans, on the other hand, swallowed the Warren Report -- initially.
Fast forward to today.
Americans buy, literally, what they're taught to buy.
I suspect, without knowing, that Europeans shake their heads at the story Americans have been fed by the U.S. government about 9-11.
It's on par with "all" politicians lie, but certain politicians lie "all" the time, and some never do until it is proven beyond a doubt by beatings in the head with a wet noodle. Humans are strange mammals. "We know you lie all the time, but we believe you when we want to."
"I'm leaving you, Mike, because you beat me."
"Oh, honey, I'm sorry. You know I am. I'll never do it again. Please don't go."
if only ________ is elected. Well, then you'll see a difference.
"Don't know why you people are so negative."
"Why are you always so cynical?"
"Oh but _____ is way better than _______"
The term "War on Terror" has been replaced with "Overseas Contingency Operation" ...
Operation F.I.E.P.
Finger's In Everyone's Pie
One of these days, someone's gonna get burned badly.
Every day we are getting burned badly.
There. FIFY.
That is much better indeed.
Why does Obama have troops in Afghanistan anyway and plan to send more? The US has no lawful right to be there. We never hear any "reason" related to national security, just some kind of vague "but we have to straighten things out" and keep the Taliban under control.
Well, guess what? The Taliban has nothing to do with the US. The US needs to butt out and let Pakistan and Afghanistan work out their own destinies.
how close everyone is to Iran and those oil fields? d'ya ever wonder why Zbigniew Brzinski was an adviser to Obama?
Because they still have the plan to economically strangle russia and Iran for the Saudis' sake. It's not like the Iran plan is off the table.
and very quietly, blackwater/xe is still in Iraq
still the playing field.
let's have a picnic in asia minor. the military budget needs to be kept up so we have to have fresh enemies. new boooogymen, preferably brown and near oil fields. and while we're at it, why not keep the threat level up on russia and China.
Why do Canadians here see things in the U.S. so much more clearly than most Americans.
Maybe you guyz burn betta ganja.
and it's homegrown to boot, eh!
We still get the right wing propaganda beamed here in Canada, but maybe we don't get as much or we have more options for our news. Or maybe Canadians are just a more cynical bunch as a people? ;)
Obama and Geithner?
Or believe the BS they are selling as change?
concerned canuck and calgary lady, hopefully between your finding time to be critical of America and the Obama administration you will find time to turn some of your attention to the cruel atrocities happening in your own backyard
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2...
Canadians can be just as cruel and inhumane as anyone else so don't get too high on your high horses.
but it has been part of the canuck/Inuit culture for centuries.
We have just as many problems as you guys, but we have a lot less people in our country. What goes on in America affects everyone on this planet. We are your neighbours and trading partners. We watched your country being destroyed by criminal and unscrupulous individuals in your very own government for YEARS.
Sorry if you think we are being snooty. We're just keeping an eye on things.
If only seals were ugly, had big fangs and ate our children like beavers do.
I find it prudent to pick my battles, especially when it comes to emotion vs reality issues.
Have you ever been to an abattoir and experienced the sights, sounds and smells?
Were you raised on a farm and grew up knowing that the animals raised were not pets but for consumption?
I find the sealing issue one of those hot button topics that people have made up their minds and won't change so any discussion quickly becomes meaningless.
Look what it did to Sir Paul and Peggy.
I'm disappointed in you.
You have a lot of nerve taking umbrage at Canadians who dare to criticize the US, especially when four of our bravest recently lost their lives while fighting in an unnecessary war which was started by YOUR country.
Oh, and let's not forget that, within hours of their deaths, one of YOUR teevee networks insulted OUR entire country by making fun of OUR military and laughing uproariously while doing so.
THAT, to me, is 'cruel and inhumane'. If anyone has the right to criticize your country, it is Canadians. As long as there are canucks putting their lives on the line for YOUR country, I will continue to say what I please.
Stuff it, pal.
Overall, we like Obama very much.
Not sure about Geithner ...
Having and national public broadcaster (CBC) at arms length from the government of the day helps despite the Conservatives latest attempt to quietly strangle it.
A multiparty political system seems to help but our first past the post voting does hobble it's effectiveness.
Your two party system leads to seeing everything in absolutes, a binary true/false thinking pattern.
This kind of thinking sets one up to fail when applied to issues any more complicated than taking the garbage out.
Declaring WAR on every problem that comes with being human results in picking battles you can't possibly win.
Poverty, substance abuse, hard-to-get-out-stains, violence, they're all part of the human condition.
We are still much like a herd of sheep a times, but the legislative swings are attenuated somewhat by an appointed Senate.
What might be called unpatriotic behaviour to some of you, to us would be viewed as a healthy skepticism towards those lying bastards, oops, I mean our hard working public servants.
On a happier note, our Fox Jr, network (Global) is crashing and burning and nobody is too upset because... Oh, look, Calgary getting whomped by Columbus 5-0... Oh yeah, Global, umm, whatever, who the hell cares, the Aspers can go blow me!
don't be slagging Calgary! They're giving it their best shot!
teehee
They beat my Wings a couple of nights ago (covers eyes) but yeah, a good team this year. See ya in the playoffs!
We'll just see who comes out on top! Hah!
U.S. Tries to Untangle Relationship Between Taliban and Pakistan Spy Agency
How about:
Americans Try to Untangle Relationship Between Terrorists and American Spy Agency
Anyone?
good one!
they're all in cahoots!
That's not fair.
How off-meme of you.
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is just a bunch of random assholes without AQ around.
Yeah lets list them as enemies. Why not? The list is out of hand anyway. Viet Nam, Cambodia, Panama, Iraq, the Taliban, Queda, and now lets fuck with Pakistan and of course our old enemies in North Korea. Lets just nuke the shit outa them. One thing the U.S. is good at, killing their enemies. You betcha. By the way, where is Bin Laden? What a bunch of dumb fucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpCxUu3CsN0&fe...
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