What Did The Pope Know, And When Did He Know It? Another Sex Scandal Threatens Vatican
The "good news" for the Church, I suppose, is that its centuries-old habits of secrecy mean that the real story is unlikely to become public.
And the bad news? Because the real story is unlikely to become public, the suspicions and whispers will continue to undermine the Church's moral authority and credibility - and without those things, what do they have left? Time to come clean:
The Vatican sprang to Pope Benedict XVI's defense Saturday amid accusations that he tried to hush up reports of clergy sexual abuse and failed to adequately punish an offending priest in his native Germany before becoming pontiff.
Senior Vatican officials denounced the allegations as part of a smear campaign against the pope, who they say is committed to confronting the problem and cracking down on abusers.
"The accusations are failed attempts to involve the Holy Father" in the sexual abuse scandals, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said.
But controversy continued to rage in Germany over a serially abusive priest who was returned to a pastoral position during the pope's tenure as archbishop in the Munich region about 20 years ago. Church officials in the area acknowledge that the decision to reassign the priest was wrong but insist that it was not made by Benedict, who was then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger.
"These events which are spoken of have been amply clarified by the archdiocese of Munich," Lombardi said in a brief phone interview.
The scandal in the pontiff's homeland is one of a wave of emerging crises for the Roman Catholic Church in Europe. A major scandal involving sexual and physical abuse by priests and nuns in Ireland has seriously undermined the church's authority in that predominantly Roman Catholic nation. More recently, complaints of abuse have surfaced in the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland.
In Saturday's edition of Avvenire, a newspaper for the Italian bishops' conference, a Vatican official revealed that over the last decade, the Holy See had investigated 3,000 clerics for alleged abuse, in cases going back as far as 50 years.
Msgr. Charles J. Scicluna, the Vatican's prosecutor in incidents involving sexual abuse of minors, said that most of the cases were from the United States. But in 2009, the U.S. accounted for only 25% of all new cases reported worldwide.
Benedict, while he was still a cardinal, issued a directive in 2001 telling bishops to keep abuse cases confidential, which critics say contributed to a culture of silence and coverup.
But Lombardi, in an interview with the Vatican's radio station, rejected that conclusion, saying that the pope "wanted an absolutely rigorous and transparent line on the pedophilia scandals in the church" and was committed to "confront, judge and adequately punish such crimes under ecclesiastical rules."
And in the spirit of that openness, the Vatican says the Pope is being "set up":
Father Federico Lombardi appeared to suggest in an interview on Vatican Radio that the pope, who also has strong links to the city of Regensburg, was the victim of a plot.
"It's rather clear that in recent days there have been people who have searched – with notable tenacity – in Regensburg and Munich for elements to personally involve the holy father in the question of the abuses," Lombardi said. "To any objective observer it's clear that these attempts have failed."
The Vatican has been appalled in recent days by a flood of allegations of priestly sex abuse in Germany, Holland, Austria and even Italy.
Today, the pope's former diocese rushed out a statement to pre-empt a story in tomorrow's edition of the Munich-based daily Süddeutsche Zeitung. It said that when Joseph Ratzinger was the city's archbishop he had agreed that a priest from another diocese should undergo therapy at a rectory. The records suggested that "it was known then that this therapy should probably be carried out due to sexual relations with children". But instead of sending him for therapy, the statement said, the diocese's then vicar-general, Gerhard Gruber, assigned him to a parish where at least one child was subsequently abused.
"Gruber takes full responsibility for the wrong decisions," the diocese said.
Are they telling the truth - or is Gruber being asked to fall on his sword? People no longer believe the Catholic Church without question, and that will inevitably weaken their influence.


Once you go Vatican you don't go back again...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Bernard Francis Law?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
A) Nobody with an ounce of brains ever did believe without question.
and
B) It wouldn't matter what they said anyway because even if they told the truth some people would call it a cover up.
Catholic conspiracies have been popular fodder practically since the founding of the US. They are no better or worse statistically than any other christian congregation when it comes to scandals but by all means indulge. Personally I prefer to bash all religions.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Thanks, I'll indulge...
Several centuries ago, the Pope decided that all the Jews had to leave the Vatican. Naturally there was a big uproar from the Jewish community. So the Pope made a deal. He would have a religious debate with a member of the Jewish community. If the Jew won, the Jews could stay. If the Pope won, the Jews would leave. The Jews realized that they had no choice. So they picked an elderly aged man named Moishe to represent them. Rabbi Moishe's Latin wasn't very good - in fact, he knew very little--but he was a man of great faith and well respected in the Jewish community. The pope agreed. What could be easier than a silent debate?
The day of the great debate came. Moishe and the Pope sat opposite each other for a full minute before the Pope raised his hand and showed three fingers. Moishe looked back at him and raised one finger. The Pope waved his fingers in a circle around his head. Moishe pointed to the ground where he sat. The Pope pulled out a wafer and a glass of wine. Moishe pulled out an apple. The Pope stood up and said, "I give up. This man is too good. The Jews can stay."
An hour later, the cardinals were all around the Pope asking him what happened. The Pope said: "First I held up three fingers to represent the Trinity. He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there was still one God common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around me to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground and showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and the wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins. He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. He had an answer for everything. What could I do?"
Meanwhile, the Jewish community had crowded around Moishe. "What happened?" they asked. "Well," said Moishe, "First he said to me that the Jews had three days to get out of here. I told him that not one of us was leaving. Then he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews. I let him know that we were staying right here." "And then?" asked a woman. "I don't know," said Moishe. "He took out his lunch and I took out mine."
Why anyone would allow their children to go to church is beyond me. Doesn't the church cause enough harm? Do people really need to send their children into the belly of the beast?
When you come from such pure corruption as the Chatholic church does it's not surprising that they have preasts who touch little boys, what is surprising is that people allow it and almost seem to welcome it. "oh, well, it's not my chruch, that was some other preast" - yeah, just keep telling yourself that.
like the republican party make a good hiding place for petafiles!
The truth will set you free but can you handle the truth?
Are they vegan-catholics?
or fuzzy paper trails.
The wickedness of pride has lost the light to understand how little grace is earned an how much given.
I got the DTs. So sue me!
The truth will set you free but can you handle the truth?
that's funny.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln
If you have the DT's, go over to the Music Club. They're featuring DT debates today.
It seems like only yesterday :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
has no more "moral authority and credibility" left to lose.
I think that compassionate, rational people gave up on it somewhere around 1450, if not much earlier.
this story about THE POPE'S BROTHER OVERSEEING THE CATHEDRAL CHOIR WHERE BOYS WERE ABUSED
was only coming out now .. but that was SO last week ..
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6243O02...
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
Now they're claiming that there have been attempts to directly involve the Pope in abuse (which has failed). And I say he may or may not have diddled little boys, but he certainly drove the getaway car, covering up for those who did such horrible deeds. This is no different than Cardinal Bernard Law of the Boston Diocese, who absolutely hid and shuffled the abusers around once they were implicated by children, who where vilified by the church. Shame Shame Shame.
Know as in the Biblical sense?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Will Patrick Kennedy reconsider stepping down?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Individual Catholic priests have championed or participated in some of the great human rights causes, and continue to do so to this day.
But the Church (by which I assume the author means the Catholic Church) lost all moral authority centuries ago, and has done nothing since to regain any supposed moral authority it might once have possessed.
By and large the Catholic Church is part of the problem, not the solution.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Why else would they hide behind phantom "plots" to discredit the Pope instead of taking responsibility for their numerous destructive actions?
I've got news for them, the Pope and the Church don't need a secret plot to help discredit them. They are doing a smash-up job of it themselves without anyone else's help.
I feel so much for the survivors of the clergy sexual abuse. The Vatican is behaving a lot like an incest family. They are too busy covering their own asses and denying things left and right to actually care about who the perps amongst them are victimizing. And like people who grow up in incest families, the victims of the Church it appears will be denied closure, comfort, and healing from the Church.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The Catholic Church will apologize and correct these problems, like they always do. In 3 or 4 centuries.
OT....Peter Graves is in the grave.
things. CSA has a way being passed down the generations... I would bet anyone that once the Church finally got around to apologizing and sincerely making amends three hundred years later, there would be descendants of the survivors who will themselves be survivors and can trace the abuse all the way back to the people the Church has abused over the last 50 years.
It's sickening.
Edit - There are families on and off Indian Reservations for instance that still have not shaken the legacy of sexual and other child abuse from the Catholic boarding schools, even over a century after the fact.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmHOteBVqKI
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Christanity is a pedophile dating service and a hate cult.
Catholics claim it's OK because it's not adultery.
Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
Study the symptoms not the virus...
subjects (the Pope's ties to abuse and the Chief Exorcist's words) in Open Thread the other night. ;)
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
The Rat was trouble from the beginning. AND he arranged his own election. Sound familiar?
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has been involved in pedophile cover-up operations for decades.
does no one remember him famously attempting to get a free pass for all the abuse from the Bush administration?
Ratzinger is a scumbag, anyone that thinks he's even remotely a good person needs to look in his eyes.
Those dead, malevolent eyes, and that reptilian smirk...
Read the history of the Catholic church , it ain't pretty .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
This has been going on for soooo long. JP II, the church's recent superstar, didn't have a clue? Right. Catholic parishoners have known about this shit for decades and decades and have, through their silence, been accessories to these crimes.
The Catholic Church is an old boys club that is all about money, control and sex, like all major religions.
Das Popenfürher is innocent. No, really.....
Evidence speaks louder than words. The Catholic church, nearly bankrupted from civil litigation for child sexual abuse, devised a method to make up some of the shortfall and still get their lulz.
They started sponsoring illegal immigrants, who still have large families of little ones, reject birth control, and donate a substantial portion of their wages to Catholicism. The displaced American workers are predominantly Protestant, use birth control, and wouldn't pee on a pedophile if his clerical robes were on fire.
The Catholics now have enough money to purchase Congressmen again, so they will get amnesty of some sort.
The Pope is so medieval.
What's the Pope wearing a dress? They want to tell women what to do with their bodies, when they can't even control themselves. Sick Bastards. All of them. That also includes their followers.
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