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What Your Favorite Blogger May Not Be Telling You About Health Reform

The progressive "journo/blogospere" is sharply split over the Senate health bill. Some, like Jane Hamsher and Matt Taibbi, are saying "kill it." Others, like Paul Krugman, Ezra Klein, and Jonathan Cohn, are saying "pass it" - as is. Steve Benen says " it's worth appreciating the vibrancy, energy, and seriousness with which progressives are engaging in the debate."

I say maybe - but there's been a lot of condescension and hostility, too. And what bothers me even more is the tendency of some bloggers - good people, people who are seen not only as advocates but as as information gatherers on health policy- to ignore data that undercuts their position while pushing a false political choice. I'm not saying their decisions are deliberate, and I assume they're not. But it's disappointing, and it's worth discussing.

It's difficult for me to name names, since I respect their work a lot, but I'm talking about people like Jonathan Cohn, David Leonhardt of the New York Times, and Ezra Klein (who has been very friendly and helpful to me since the beginning.) Since I know they're people of good will, I can't help wondering if the polarized nature of this debate has something to do with what's been going on.

I've been working on a campaign to resist the excise tax, which I have long thought was based on flawed logic and would turn out to be counterproductive both as politics and policy. (Let the first part of that statement - "I've been working on a campaign" - serve as a disclaimer and full disclosure regarding what follows.) Both Klein and Leonhardt have written admiringly about the tax's ability to "bend the cost curve," but a broad range of studies have been released that challenge that assumption, whole polls have shown that its likely to be highly unpopular politically.

These are not unscientific, flaky studies. Two papers were published in the highly respected journal Health Affairs. These are studies from respected firms that seem to overturn the conventional economic wisdom behind the excise tax. Citizens for Tax Justice has reviewed data from the Joint Committee on Taxation (pdf) and drawn negative conclusions about the tax. Other studies by top benefits consulting firms like Martin E. Segal, Watson Wyatt, Mercer, Towers-Perrin, and Hewitt (whose livelihood depends on a corporate clientele) challenge the arguments made in support of the tax, while polling from a well-regarded firm suggested the tax would have a devastating political impact in front-line states. So how much have Klein, Leonhardt, or Cohn written about all of this new and revelatory information?

As far as I can tell, not a word.

The silence bothers me more than disagreement ever could. These guys are viewed as experts in health policy and as gateways and interpreters of the latest research. Sure, they've come out foursquare for accepting the Senate bill, but does that really excuse the silence? Maybe they're too busy to write about these reports. Maybe they haven't seen them (although I sent a few links to one of them.) Maybe - and I hope this isn't true - they're so concerned about ensuring that a bill passes that they'd rather not muddy the waters with new data that undercuts that position.

Or maybe I'm out of line. Maybe people don't see them as reliable sources for all the new health policy info. Perhaps they're perceived as strong advocates for a certain position, with no newsgathering brief. If so, I apologize - sincerely. But, if I'm right, they really need to address these studies. They can argue that they're methodologically flawed , or that they're inconclusive, or that it's too late to change anything now. But ignore them? That's disturbing.

"Gah," writes Paul Krugman, who also presses for passing the Senate bill. "I see that some people are still using the Rasmussen polling on MA’s health care reform. You shouldn’t do that ..." I'm one of those who has used those polls - but I've written about and linked to his critique, which includes another poll he likes better. That's what we should all be doing if we want to have a serious debate. (Now, as it turns out, I don't interpret the poll data the same way he does - but I'm acknowledging its existence, responding, and letting people decide for themselves.)

I identify with Prof. Krugman's frustration, though. Gah, why are people still saying the excise tax "bends the curve"?

There's a basic structural flaw in the Klein/Cohn/Krugman position, too: that it's either this health bill or nothing. I believe that's a false choice. Opponents of the Senate draft don't all believe that no reform is better than this bill. But they should act as if they do. Once you say the Senate bill is good enough, the negotiations with the left are over.

The Senate health bill has been improved in some areas, including strengthening the Medicare cost containment commission and - most critically - once again lifting lifetime caps on coverage. Like McJoan, I believe that's a direct result of the outcry on the left. Fear of a progressive backlash has already improved this bill, and it may continue to do so - if we don't back down too soon. In a very practical sense the Deans, Hamshers, and Taibbis are accomplishing more than any other progressives to get a better bill.

There are many people who disagree vehemently with that statement. By all means, let's keep talking about it. But let's do so openly, with all the information at our disposal, and without either hostility or manipulation. I'm not out to antagonize anyone here. I'd really like to see debate that's based on data and grounded in strategy - and not in false choices.



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The rightie tighties have their knickers in a wad because Jane Hamsher decided to point out that Joe Lieberman's wife not only made large sums annually on the payroll of insurance companies -- which creates a clear conflict of interest for Lieberman in taking a lead role in killing health-care reform -- but also in fact collects money from the Susan G. Komen Foundation as a "global ambassador" for women's health. Jane organized a campaign to have her removed.

Factually and logically, Jane's right that it's silly for outfits like Komen to be underwriting someone who has so badly damaged the ability of millions of women to obtain health-care insurance. But facts and logic have nothing to do with the world of right-wing nutcases.

Particularly those at Fox, who have been avidly denouncing Hamsher's campaign as "outrageous" and using it to paint Lieberman as a martyr of "the far left." Bill O'Reilly, among others, devoted a large chunk of last night's O'Reilly Factor, including his Talking Points Memo, to denouncing the campaign as "sickening" and "disgraceful."

The Giant Turnip of Wingnuttia, aka Glenn Beck, was particularly vicious. He devoted a whole segment to calling Hamsher out, holding up a reproduction of her infamous Lieberman "blackface" Photoshop from 2006 and repeatedly referring to it.

Having once worked for Jane, I can attest to the fact that she sincerely regrets having run that shot, and not just because it's constantly used to slap her down. But really, this is the kind of argumentation we've come to expect from Beck, a la his attacks on Van Jones and Anita Dunn: Latch onto a single rhetorical mistake, then play it over and over as though that's what the person is about.

Well, hey, that particular game is a two-way street. The only problem with Beck is that, as our Fearmonger in Chief, he gives us almost a daily example of complete asshattery that should in fact permanently discredit him. To wit:

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The conservative blog Townhall has a new spokesperson making the rounds these days and well, let's just say she is the perfect example of today's GOP -- and all that is wrong with it.

Jillian Bandes has been quite busy lately, appearing on CSPAN Friday morning, then showing up on MSNBC where she got very nasty with our dear friend Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake, who laid waste to her right wing talking points.

Bandes is no stranger to controversy. As Tintin at one of my favorite blogs, Sadly No! reminds us, she made her bones by publishing an anti-Arab screed in her college newspaper:

Hey, whatever happend to Jillian Bandes? You remember her. She was the redneck wingnut who was fired from the UNC student newspaper after writing a column advocating that all Arab guys should be strip-searched at airports and that this wasn’t really a problem because Arab guys would enjoy getting all “sexed up” at the airport. Well, guess what? Jillian is now a contributor to the Clown Hall blog — “Where racism isn’t just a philosophy, it’s a job qualification!

The other great thing about blogging for Clown Hall is you can recycle some stale wingnut blogger talking points from weeks ago, lard it up with ridiculously hyperbolic language à la Atlas’s Jugs, make up some shit to throw in for good measure to get the half-witted Town Hall commentariat all torn up, offer it up as your own blog posting, and then call it a day, collect your wingnut welfare check, and get to happy hour at Smith Point by mid-afternoon. Which is pretty much what Jillian did with her latest offering: “Michelle Obama’s Veggie Garden Is Poisoned!” Read on...

Here are a few snippets from Bandes' anti-Arab rant:

I want all Arabs to be stripped naked and cavity-searched if they get within 100 yards of an airport.

I don’t care if they’re being inconvenienced. I don’t care if it seems as though their rights are being violated.

They’re some of the brightest, kindest people I’ve ever met. Tragically, they’re also members of an ethnicity that is responsible for almost every act of terror committed against the West in the recent past....

Stay class...never mind. If you don't have Sadly No! bookmarked, you should. It's a guilty pleasure of mine that never disappoints!



Reframing The Debate On Torture The Correct Way

David Waldman, also known as Kagro X at DailyKos and Congress Matters, appeared on a CNN webshow and showed these mealy-mouthed Democratic Party talking heads how to really frame and control the debate on torture. Finally, someone on who has a firm grasp of the facts and will not allow the discussion to get sidetracked to pointless distractions. Jane Hamsher put it best:

The successful hijacking of the torture debate by its proponents obscures the underlying facts, as Kagro makes abundantly clear:

  1. Private contractors were conducting torture
  2. It was torture for political gain
  3. Pollsters should be asking if Americans support using torture to extract false confessions for political purposes, because that's what happened

There were no "ticking time bombs" -- as former State Department official Lawrence Wilkerson and McClatchey have confirmed, torture was conducted to extract false evidence linking Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. It was ordered by Dick Cheney and George Bush just as it was during the Spanish Inquisition, to force political compliance.

The Washington Examiner's Chris Stirewalt objects when Kagro invokes the obvious parallel, shamelessly hiding behind the military when he says "On behalf of American soldiers, on behalf of American soldiers, that's not cool." In classic Yellow Elephant fashion, Stirewalt apparently never served in the military.

You know what else is not cool, Chris? Invoking some quasi-patriotic symbol to obfuscate over what should be patently obvious to even mouth-breathing Republican apologists like you: Torturing people is a crime against humanity. Torturing people for political gain is an even more despicable crime against humanity. It doesn't matter who commits it: Spain, the Catholic Church, Japan or Dick Cheney. It is a crime. And you are an apologist for it.

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St. Paul Cop Dragging Protester Jumped, Sprays Crowd

A St. Paul police officer who was dragging an alleged protester down the street was jumped from behind by what I'm assuming is another protester. The officer quickly sprays the surrounding onlookers who are not involved in the incident and is forced to retreat and loses both men in the process. The angle of the video doesn't show what the alleged protester had done to prompt the officer to drag him down the street.

Note: In posting this video I am not advocating attacks on police, or violence of any kind. But as I heard someone say yesterday, the Denver police prepared for protests, the St. Paul police prepared for the Apocalypse. Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher have been documenting the searches and seizures on peace groups. And the Minnesota Independent documents a 17 year old peace protester and community organizer who was beaten and pepper sprayed by the St. Paul police.



Oh look, the RNC has unveiled their welcoming committee:

MnIndy RNC reporter Jeff Severns Guntzel is at the Minneapolis Food Not Bombs house, which was raided by police this morning. Facts are still coming in, but Guntzel says that at 8 a.m. neighbors near the home, located at 2301 23rd Avenue South, reported hearing a loud bang followed by yelling. A single police squad car was parked out front. When Guntzel arrived he saw eight or nine officers enter the house in what he says is a joint operation between officers of the Ramsey County Sheriff's Department, the Minneapolis Police Depatment, and the FBI. According to one witness who was in the house at the time of the raid, the action is related to last night's raid on the RNC Welcoming Committee's "convergence space." Several other spaces have been raided this morning.

Glenn Greenwald and Jane Hamsher are in Minneapolis for the RNC and went to two of the raided houses. Glenn:

Each of the raided houses is known by neighbors as a "hippie house," where 5-10 college-aged individuals live in a communal setting, and everyone we spoke with said that there had never been any problems of any kind in those houses, that they were filled with "peaceful kids" who are politically active but entirely unthreatening and friendly. [..]

There is clearly an intent on the part of law enforcement authorities here to engage in extreme and highly intimidating raids against those who are planning to protest the Convention. The DNC in Denver was the site of several quite ugly incidents where law enforcement acted on behalf of Democratic Party officials and the corporate elite that funded the Convention to keep the media and protesters from doing anything remotely off-script. But the massive and plainly excessive preemptive police raids in Minnesota are of a different order altogether. Targeting people with machine-gun-carrying SWAT teams and mass raids in their homes, who are suspected of nothing more than planning dissident political protests at a political convention and who have engaged in no illegal activity whatsoever, is about as redolent of the worst tactics of a police state as can be imagined.

Jane took a video:

Glenn Greenwald and I arrived at one of the houses shortly after it was raided this morning. It was a hippie house full of people in their late teens and early twenties who said they were here to "watch history." They were forced on the floor by roughly twenty cops carrying assault rifles, who initially refused to show them search warrants and joked about the "Terminator" and the "Executioner."

We spoke with the people who were staying at the house about the raid in the video above, and they were really sweet and inspirational, interested in "food not bombs." Coming off the Denver DNC where most young people were blackberry-wielding Young Democrats hustling tickets to bigger and better parties, they were extremely refreshing and a much needed part of our political landscape. The idea that they were a serious threat to security is rendered rather ludicrous by watching the video above.

Welcome to GOPworld. Lindsay Beyerstein has more...



Partying With The Blue Dogs

I see Jane Hamsher and Glenn Greenwald, but where'd Amato get to? Dare I guess he was trying to work that Amato mojo on some hot female Democrat delegates to get into the party?

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Amy Goodman of DemocracyNow! looks at the Blue Dogs' party at the DNC and how secretive they are being towards the press about their get together. Medea Benjamin and Code Pink show up as well to let the Blue Dogs know how they feel.

However, they're not being completely discreet, as Matt Stoller points out at Open Left. Gotta love that democracy in action.



Well, I know who Jane would pick...but in another case of Strange Bedfellows, Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr can't find much to argue with:

[What] George W. Bush has done to the fabric of our constitutional government, to Separation of Powers, to a government of limited powers, to destroy the notion that we are a nation of laws, not of men, is something that is absolutely unforgiveable, irresponsible and terribly, terribly destructive of our notion of government. President Clinton, certainly had my problems with him, but what he did in terms of perjury and obstruction was bad, but it was not destructive of the very systemic foundations of our country.

You can watch more of Jane and Barr's Bloggingheads segment here.



Open Thread

Bloggers Amanda Carpenter (Townhall.com) and Jane Hamsher (firedoglake.com) discuss John McCain, his inability to control North Carolina Republicans over their ads against Barack Obama, Cindy McCain, the "Sugar Momma Express" and ANWAR. Open Thread below...



Liberal Bloggers Declare War on McCain and the Media

John has been saying that the press has been giving McCain a pass for a long time now, as has Digby and many, many other bloggers.

Will Bunch and Jane Hamsher give their takes on EschaCon'08...