Rachel Maddow Show: Jane Mayer on Cheney's Involvement With the CIA's Intelligence Gathering
By Heather Sunday May 17, 2009 9:00am
Rachel Maddow talks to Jane Mayer about the amount of involvement Dick Cheney had with the CIA in pushing them for the intelligence he wanted to make the case for the invasion of Iraq.
Maddow: We're trying to figure out the role of Vice President Cheney's office here in part, on the torture issue, the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. From your reporting what can you tell us about what sort of interest Cheney took personally in the intelligence that was going from the interrogations?
Mayer: Well I think we're beginning to learn more and more about this. He is described in my book by the number two person in the Justice Department James Comey as having become obsessive basically after 9-11 with the threat of terrorism and you can see it more and more really. I mean he's been speaking out so often he's becoming the face and the defense for these programs really.
He was I think if you look at it carefully, many of the finger prints go back to his office and we're beginning to sort of, you know, connect those dots now.
Maddow: And he was going through raw intelligence at this time in terms of the lead up, post 9-11, pre-invasion of Iraq, he was not only getting briefed or receiving the same kind of information the President was getting, he was also going through the raw materials wasn't he?
Mayer: Well what happened after 9-11 was he was dissatisfied with the kind of information that had been given to them from the CIA and so they demanded, just every single piece of scrap of information about threats that might be coming towards the United States and at his direction they took away the filter that the CIA had had where previously before 9-11, the President and the Vice President and people who are not intelligence agents, experts had only been told about things that were really possibly important.
After 9-11 they saw everything. It was called the Threat Matrix Report. It was this extensive thing. They started, Cheney started every morning with the Matrix Report and then went through it all again sitting down with the President, so he did it twice every day. And it was described to me by some of the more expert intelligence officials, Roger Cressey who worked in the NSC, as filled with garbage. Just completely alarming stuff that would just make anybody lose their judgement. Somebody else described it to me as like being locked into a room with Led Zeplin playing. I mean you just would lose your mind looking at this stuff.
And they started it every day looking at these things, so that was kind of the mindset that they were in. Then there were reports of Cheney going over to the CIA and personally taking great involvement in the issues. There were reports he had a reading room set aside for himself over there. Not all the details are out. I don't know whether or not, how many times he went over there. There are a number of people who say he was there a lot and pushing so hard on this front.

CIA Director Michael Hayden appeared on Meet The Press this morning and explained to Tim Russert that he has recently urged his CIA employees to buy liability insurance in order to protect them against any lawsuits that may challenge the legality of their legal acts. Got that? Yea, me neither. 





