Make Stuff Up, Bomb Iran
By Steve Hynd Saturday Sep 20, 2008 9:30amCaroline Glick, deputy editor at Murdoch's Jerusalem Post and fellow of the neoconservative Center For Security Policy, is back on the Iran warpath in an article she entitles "It is time to act". She writes that "Iran is just a heartbeat away from the A-bomb", and to justify this claim she begins with three untruths.
Firstly:
Last Friday the Daily Telegraph reported Teheran has surreptitiously removed a sufficient amount of uranium from its nuclear production facility in Isfahan to produce six nuclear bombs. Given Iran's already acknowledged uranium enrichment capabilities, the Telegraph's report indicates that the Islamic Republic is now in the late stages of assembling nuclear bombs.
But the IAEA has already told the Telegraph that it's report, written by another neoconservative, Con Coughlin, is in error.
“The article, entitled ‘Iran renews nuclear weapons development’ published in [Friday’s] Daily Telegraph by Con Coughlin and Tim Butcher is fictitious,” IAEA Spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said in a statement.
“IAEA inspectors have no indication that any nuclear material is missing from the plant,” reads the statement.
Indeed, the IAEA guareantees that no uranium has been diverted to non-civilian programs or even can be without the Agency's knowledge.
Then, she says that "US spy satellites recently discovered what the US believes are covert nuclear facilities in Iran." Again - no. What was revealed (back in February) was an until-now unknown missile testing facility, revealed by commercial satellites rather than US ones. Whatever else it is it isn't a "nuclear facility". If it or any other more recent "finds" were, then the IAEA would be making a stink about it in their recent report, and they don't. Iran had enough problems putting together the Nanantz cascades and getting them to run. The notion that they might have been able to develop some other secret facility just as big is James Bond fantasy stuff - those "reporting" such fantasies, often sourced from the utterly-nutterly MeK, might as well photo-shop a white persian cat onto file pictures of Ahmadinejhad and claim it proves something.
Then, Glick writes:
As to the IAEA, this week it presented its latest report on Teheran's nuclear program to its board members in Vienna. The IAEA's report claimed that Iran has taken steps to enable its Shihab-3 ballistic missiles to carry nuclear warheads.
Of course, she neglects to mention that any such work ended in 2003 according to US intelligence, that neither US spies nor the IAEA have seen any indications of it resuming and that in any case experts say the modifications wouldn't have worked as there still wouldn't be enough room in such a missile for the kind of nuke that Iran could build. The IAEA report makes it clear that the Agency just wants to clear up the details of the old Iranian program, for completeness' sake.
It's all a bit desperate. Glick says that these three factoids are why Israel should bomb Iran, because sanctions cannot stop these steps towards an imminent Iranian nuke. But they don't need to - none of these steps exist. All this because the recent IAEA report gave the warmongers no ammunition at all, so they're reduced to making things up.
It's because of warmongers like Glick and Coughlin, willing to bend the ttruth all out of shape, that senior US military officers are giving off-the-record briefings to reporters trying to calm things down.
An Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear installations would destabilise the entire region and open a new battlefront which could have a damaging effect on Iraq and Afghanistan, a senior American army commander said today.
In a highly unusual statement on the issue from the US Defence establishment the officer, who requested anonymity, stressed that a diplomatic solution was imperative to solve the crisis.
The commander, in the heart of US military policy-making, said that there was "a lot of rhetoric" over Israel's repeated threats to carry out air-strikes to stop Iran developing a nuclear arsenal.
However, he said, that an exercise by over 100 Israeli war planes in the skies above the Mediterranean in June showed the Israelis were practising for a possible offensive.
"But it would not be the right thing to do, it will open up another front and this is not going to help the situation in the region, Iraq or Afghanistan," said the officer. "A diplomatic solution is the only logical answer to this."
Recently, Shimon Peres said pretty much the same thing. As long ago as last year, so did IAEA head Mohammed El Baradei.
And analysts also acknowledge that hardliners rhetoric has meant Ahmadinejhad of Iran has managed to consolidate his position instead of being brought down by his incompetent handling of their economy.
People like Glick should be consigned to the wilderness, they simply are too dangerous to be given a bully pulpit like the Jerusalem Post.
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It's less than 2 months till election. Somebody has to pay to help insure another Republican gets into the White House, might as well be the Iranians.
Maybe we could take the 2 trillion dollars Paulson wants and drop it on Iran instead. There would be more oversight of how the money is spent that way.
Maf54 @ 2:
Good idea.
But maybe what we should do is get bush/chenny cabal in jail as soon as possible!
the zionists are to the jews, what the kkk are to the christians... with a new pm in isreal, anything is possible for the likuds... they have very little support except for the neocons and murdoch...
We just sold Israel the newest BUNKER BUSTERS, reCONfigured weapons,some rumored to have mini nuke surprise gift packs. A 1000 of these babies and everyone involved wants to take these babies out for a test run. What a market awaits the makers if the babies perform against BABIES that chose the wrong place to be born.It's coming ,soon.
I always think this is just posturing but the bloodthirsty bastards have proven they will not let facts or sanity get in the way. But they have also proven they are complete f%#!n idiots when it comes to thinking things through. Unless they nuke all of Iran they cannot defend the Strait of Hormuz and if they cannot do that, gas will spike to unimaginable heights. Add that to an already shaky world economy and I suppose they will accomplish what they really want to do.......the end times.
Before a discussion on the merits of "bombing Iran" begins, shouldnt we at least check with China to see if they will finance such a military operation?
Weapons is where the big money is.
U.S. is a Giant Weapons Factory
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tjb @ 5:
CALL NOW! ...place an order for 10 or more and get 1 mini nuke free! call our toll free line NOW!
Maf54 @ 2:
It would probably be cheaper to bomb them with money and would make us a lot more popular overseas.
Personally, I favor dropping farsi translations of "The God Delusion", "God is Not Great" and "The End of Faith", each with little parachutes on them to be sure they all land safely.
tjb @ 5:
All the latest U.S. High Tech Gadgetry!
If ya really want an insite into the Middle East read any article/book by Robert Fisk, a true journalist currently at The Independent. This guy has lived there for over 30 years and sees reality for what it is. Our unbridled support for Isreal is causing us many more problems than we can imagine.
Arm today's "friends" knowing damn well they'll be tomorrows enemies.
"We'll take 50 fighter jets"
Hey no problem buddy we'll even give ya a special deal and toss in 10 tons of land mines. Help ya take care of them leftist troublemakers!
Are you noticing that this planet is a hell hole of delusion yet?
Make Stuff Up, Bomb Iran
Now that has McPaleosaur written all over it.
L.A. Confidential @ 13:
The US now has nothing else to sell. The Bushies have sold the future. Sold the children. Sold the property. Sold the Constipation. Sold everything. There is nothing left to trade money for, except military. It's going to be pretty damn hard to keep the navy floating, the air force flying, and GI Joe's in guns, if you have abso-fucking-lutely no money except for that loaned to you. Good bye America. It was a great experiment.
grumpyoldvet @ 12:
That is absolutely true, and people of every nation except the US seem to know that.
This is how these lying motherfockers work, they are planted in various newspapers - then one of them fabricates some story or claim for propaganda purposes - and then rest of those motherfockers repeats these lies. It's like some kind of echo-chamber which makes it possible for these people to appear credible and serious while in fact they are only con-artists and they should be doomed to a living in obscurity - but in this fu.ked up world they all have their comfy seats in "prestigious and credible newspapers".
Just to give you a hint how widespread this echo chamber is - I have to say that when I typed names of these two "journalists" (Caroline Glick and Con Coughlin) into my czech web browser - it brought up a link which lead to an obscure czech racist ultra-conservative islamophobic web called "www.eurabia.cz"
Isn't making things up the hallmark of the Iraq invasion. It didn't take long with a complicit media. A 50 percent split in public perceptions on which is the better way to conduct foreign affairs could easily turn to 95 percent by inventing a common enemy. Hell, they could do it here by bombing the Southwest to rid the U.S. of a large percentage of brown people that are soon to become the largest population group. The whites among them would be considered collateral damage.
The U.S. has already been using nuclear material in its weaponry, depleted uranium. It happened in the Balkans and the first Gulf War, its happening in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Wasn't it George Carlin who said the Americans are living the American Dream only when they are sleeping. This is a barbaric nation by civilized nation standards.
ConcernedCanuck @ 16:
YEAR 8
chicano2nd @ 19:
We're not sleeping were in a COMA now.
Land of the walking dead
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 17:
Not only has our support for the 60 year old nation carved out of the Palesitinian homeland caused us unimaginable problems, it causes us to mimimize such things as Israel firing upon and killing U.S. troops. Where were the Support for Our Troops magnetic ribbon crowd then?
FUBAR!
The not-so-surprising October surprise....Israel strikes Iran. Of course, in response the U.S. will raise the terror alert to red throughout October and running up to the election, and here we go again.
How the hell this country is staying afloat in it's current condition is beyond my imagination.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
Have no fear LA. Just vote for Obama. A change in federal parties in charge will surely "change" everything for the better. Why there is no way he can screw up (LMAO) like Bushies regime pretended to. This entire scenario was all planned and the Dimocrats either are the stupidest group of people in the civilized world, or there are some really, really, really stupid people thinking that "if only a change in parties........"
I would have to say, there are going to be roughly 300 million VERY pissed off disappointed people in less than a year. There is nothing that an election of Obama will do to change the current clusterf*ck. The New Deal is done, and the Dem leadership are echoing and parroting the Bush toadies catchphrases. Corporate Socialism will save America.
L.A. Confidential @ 25:
I used to think you were just a grumpy old guy, but now I see you just could see that rotten spot on the back of the orange that made the whole thing taste like shit.
ConcernedCanuck @ 16:
Nonsense! snark China and Saudi Arabia have plenty of money to lend America! ...and if they dont do it the FED will print more!
james Ratliff @ 3:
SOONER!
As always I had to check the bio concerning the author. Sure enough, the only experience Glick has that may even remotely (and that is extremely remote at best) relates to the Iranian nuclear issue is when she served as part of a Palestinian negotiating team while she was an Captain in the IDF or as Netanyahu's foreign policy adisor some years ago. Since then, she has been out of and probably never has been in any military or intelligence gathering loop that would have that type of information. She is just making crap up just like all the other Neocons.
♠♠...Bangkok Bob...♠♠ @ 27:
Bob we have to stop being CONSUMERS and get off our collective asses and start being citizens.
Otherwise these assholes we've been duped by are going to completely destroy everything they touch.
ConcernedCanuck @ 26:
Wow, Canuck, do you ever hit the nail on the head. Been screaming the same thing.
All my life I've been bombarded by the self-fulfilling prophecy-mongering war pig Armaggedon-pimping Endtimes-hawking murderous slimebag propagandists of despair!
I console myself with scraps of doggerel, fragments shored against ruin:
When all the domes are laid to rest
And flowers heap the minarets
When all the crosses lie uncrossed
Found objects trump the debris lost
Perhaps the Pyramids will cry:
They fought to live, and lived to die.
VietVet8666 @ 32:
It is frustrating, isn't it? It's like banging your head against the damn wall just to see if, just maybe, the next time you slam your head against the drywall, this time the results will be different. I've watched my nation change governing parties umpteen times in my lifetime. It never makes any damn difference whatsoever. Grassroots candidates? Hell, that is our system up here in the great white north. They are all grassroots candidates. Until elected. Then their palms are greased, they turn into jet flying, high living fat pompous bastards, and the cycle continues until they basically retire from politics, because you can't get rid of these leeching bastards. It's the only job most of them know.
Take Joe Biden. I have nothing personally against him. But do Americans really think a guy whose only job has been that of taxpayer milker his entire life, is going to represent any type of change at all?? Come on. Like it or not, the closest thing to a fresh face in Washington would be Sarah Palin, and she's just batshit crazy.
Well why not. First we had the fear mongering of 9/11 and gave sweeping powers to the government to "save" us, then 7 years to the month we have a financial crisis where we must give carte blanche to the government to "save" us from a meltdown, and now we're back to Iran and we need to be "saved". Really, what will it take to open people's eyes?
Tom A @ 35:
The Great Depression Part 2 that is knocking at the door.
Chickenshit bombing, the hallmark of American foreign policy.
ConcernedCanuck @ 34:
The problem is people don't think.
We are conditioned from birth to go with the system, take directions, follow orders, and do what we have to do to get a paycheck. (Kiss Ass) . . . the dangling carrot is someday all of us can become a celebrity that everyones LoVeS!
A dreadful prospect if there ever was one.
THIS could be the "October Surprise" that many of us have been expecting.
Doofus @ 39:
I think the October surprise is going to be everyone may finally have the startling realization there is no money left in their retirement, pension, and or investment accounts.
Canuck at 34
This U.S. citizen has gotten to the point over 63 years where batshit crazy is preferable to more of the same. Really.
Doofus @ 39:
Um, have you been following the economy? The October Surprise hit in September. The fallout will have shuddering effects worldwide. Guess they could always fly over Iran and drop "IOU" pamphlets if China doesn't deliver cash. That is IF Iraq will hand over free fuel.
VietVet8666 @ 41:
I'm not sure what the solution really is. Honestly. Even in my nation, things are getting really screwed. Just slower than your meltdown is. Our election is next month. Changing leaders will do nothing. Absolutely nothing.
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
True. And as an aside, there is nothing more infuriating than listening to spoonfed celebs lecture endlessly on what everyone should do. CNN had a special report the other night on Haiti. Who better to march out and explain global problems than Matt Damon. What the hell would Matt Damon know? NOTHING. What a sad world. Oh no there are problems in Jerkoffistan and here to tell us is Angelina Jolie, Brad Armpitt and Matt Damon. Good grief.
Make Stuff Up. Bomb Viet Nam.
Make Stuff Up. Bomb Iraq.
Make Stuff Up. Bomb...
Make Stuff UP. Bomb.
I guess, in return for all the help and support they've gotten from Hagee, Robertson, and the rest, the Israelis have decided to start the Rapture for 'em...
Doofus @ 39:
Although everyone is making fun of you Doofus, you could be right! (did you even see what happened last week?)
there could be many more events...
Hannuka lasts for 8 days, ...why not a september/october/november surprise.
Wow. The idea of missing nuclear material in Iran is so scary, it does not even have to be true to frighten me.
Can't we send someone's kids into to kill these people so I don't have to be afraid when "Idol" is on?
ConcernedCanuck @ 36:
Desperate people take desparate measures. The Constitution was drafted to insure against rule by the mob. In other words, it has up to now been the protection for minorities of all persuasions or appearances. Now the only "minority" really protected are the super rich. Corporations as "persons" have, with the help of a right-wing Supreme Court essentially been given more rights than individual citizens. Hell with a slight of words they may become "individuals" while living, breathing individuals become commodities. Maybe now it is time for the masses (the thinking type not the robotic-mindset type commom to republicans) to seriously consider a physical takeover. But, remember, Blackwater is better armed than the police and national guard and they are staffed by mercenary types who hold only allegiance to themselves. Just give them the money then run for cover so they don't shoot while they are facing you. You still could be hit in the ass, however.
tjb @ 5:
O.K. My last post was pure snark but yours, yeah, that really scares me.
I'll tell you whats more frightening then Iran or Russia.
It's seeing people driving down the street with a lawnmower hanging out the back of their BMW or Bush Bots driving around the neighborhood sifting through the trash for scrap metal.
chicano2nd @ 49:
Dickhead Cheney shot his supposed friend in the face, while "hunting" little birds that couldn't fly and were in a fenced in area. This is how they treat their friends. Yikes.
chicano2nd @ 49:
As a semi-smart fella wrote once: Law exists mainly to insulate the Rulers from the insolence of the unruly.
PBS NOW poll -- Is Sarah Palin Qualified?
The option "Yes" that she IS qualified - has been ahead by almost 10 points for over 24 hours now.
Take the poll - pass it on. Conservatives must be on this like fat kids on cupcakes or the numbers would read differently. Can you cross-post the link somewhere?
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L.A. Confidential @ 25:
I dare you to "google" continuity of government COG
woody, tokin librul @ 46:
If the rapture will take these nutbags away I am all for it. Could you imagine a world without these morons?
I'll tell you where we blew it. We blew it back in the 80's when people sold out to low price instead of paying a more to support small to medium sized American businesses run by real people.
Trittydi @ 54:
The linkee's fucked, and poll's been freeped.
woody, tokin librul @ 53:
Exactly. A Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper, ignored for decades. It is virtually meaningless. That has been proven over and over. These rich and their buddy "selected" governors do what they want, when they want, however they want. Thinking a piece of paper will save the world, is naive at best. The "Founding Fathers" were rich white people looking after their own money.
McBush needs a weapon of mass distraction. Within weeks, McBush will bomb Iran to get attention away from the economic collapse and to get the focus off Obama. The only reason this didn't happen earlier this year is that they were saving it for this very purpose.
Trittydi @ 54:
Sorry - link was wrong - this is right.
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If I stand on the side of Northbound I-95 with a pitchfork in one hand and a Wash D C sign in the other, will anybody give me a ride to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. there?
Maf54 @ 2:
Yes along with little notes attached to each 10/k bundle of bills telling the Iranians to rise up against their government and how we want to liberate them from an evil dictator. Then pray they don't think about the fact that the cash is almost worthless.
milquetoast @ 55:
I think you mean continuity of corruption.
Saint Augustine @ 62:
Look for the guy driving the tumbrel.
He'll be with a buncha people carrying a railroad tie, a bucket of tar and some feathers.
Kate @ 60:
Very doubtful. The economy is blowing up ahead of schedule things happen.
Paulson's one of the guys responsible fo the fuck-up, in the first place, you know that, right?
He was CEO at Goldman-Sachs before joining the parade of thieving investment "bankers" to fuck up the Treasury Department.
Putting Paulson in Treasury was a cuckup os exactly the same magnitude as putting Mukasey in Justice.
OF COURSE THE SCUMSUCKING ASSWIPE IS GONNA BAIL OUT HIS PALS...
Jeezis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
L.A. Confidential @ 57:
We blew it in 1913 when we gave a private group of banks(FED RESERVE) control over our money supply!
If a home is your biggest asset keep in mind. . .
Given all the slicing and dicing and resales the criminally greedy banks and lending agencies indulged in, at this point, no one in any lending institution knows who holds the actual mortgage and, believe this, they can never find them.
Tell your lawyer this and watch the other side twist and squirm.
milquetoast @ 68:
Well it's still no excuse there is a million freaking ways to solve this worlds problems.
When do we get started?
Got to go
L.A. Confidential @ 64:
No it's actually called continuity of government. It makes a lot of sense if you've studied the events of 9/11.
ConcernedCanuck @ 34:
While critizing Joe Biden as a "government milker" why not include John McCain, Naval Academy, US Navy, Rep & the Sen; Sarah Palin, with the exception of a few months as a "sports reporter".
What I'm trying to understand here is this:
Why is it that Israel can "secretly" possess about 300 nuclear weapons with the delivery systems necessary to hit Iran (and other Middle East countries) and they have NEVER been required to have any "inspections" by the United Nations, but Iran is not allowed to protect itself??
Can somebody please riddle me this???
Thanks.
The Iranian government would love nothing more than to be bombed by America. Not only would it rally Iranians around ahmedinijad, it'd bankrupt the United States as I can't see China exactly lending us the money to attack an oil field they want to tap, plus Russia would gladly supply Iran with weapons after that crap we pulled with Georgia.
grumpyoldvet @ 73:
Sorry but I just used one example. You are right McCain is another. So is John Kerry. So is Ted Kennedy. So is Howard Dean. So is a shiiteload of members of CONgress and the Senate. If it wasn't such a serious mess, it would be almost laughable that the exact same people that keep creating these messes are the ones that go on the MSM and say they have to act fast and now to fix them.
L.A. Confidential @ 70:
Right after sunday football games are over.
(is it two minutes to midnight already?)
I'm not ready....still in surreal shock...my boss said our company can last one more month...until then I'm gonna keep workin'...
Orangutan. @ 72:
I don't think she ever "googled" (I'm disappointed)
Too bad we have nominees from BOTH parties who buy into the bomb Iran scenario.
Pox on both their houses.
Abbybwood @ 74:
Global conservative talking point to this would be:
1:Israel is a democracy (which it really isn't - it's ethnocracy)
2:Israel shares our judeo-christian values (This one always cracks me up, when I hear it from some european politician/commentator - because what values they have on their mind? Is it the pogroms?(which european christians commited against the Jews on regular basis - and not only in those darkage medieval times - pogroms took place as late as in 20th century)
Or from those realy hard-core crazies (like Tancredo) you could hear this following one
3:Israel is a promontory of Western civilization fighting the wars for all of us, against those evil muslims! Which seeks to destroy us.
Abbybwood @ 74:
It's a secret!
...how can you expect to "inspect" somethin' that is not acknowledged to exist?
even if we could inspect them, I'm sure they are high quality (American made) ...and would pass inspection with flying colors!
Thank you for shedding light on this Cernig.
It seems that the lunatic fringe actually WANTS a confrontation between Israel and Iran. Maybe to some like Sarah Palin it might enable "end time" prophesies to unfold. To others perhaps it's just another potential front on the expanding Empire. Frankly I struggle to find any sort of rationale for it that's based on facts and cool contemplation.
In any case, I strongly feel that these arguments for war with Iran are dangerously misguided and, to put it bluntly, insane.
james Ratliff @ 3:
How about if we just take Bush and Cheney et al and drop THEM on Iran??!!
PBS poll that asks if Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP. Currently Yes is ahead, 52% to 46% No.
VietVet8666 @ 32:
The most cynical part of me agrees with the above.
I have been thinking, and saying, repeatedly for the last several years that the entire US political system has been hijacked by some very powerful people, and all that the two *only viable* parties are doing is playing Good Cop, Bad Cop.
It is absolutely a sham.
Who are you going to believe, the IAEA who says Iran is not a threat, or a couple of trouble making zionist manipulators? People like these two need to get a life.
Trittydi @ 54:
Thanks! Voted No.
Amitola @ 83:
How about give them both a sex change operation and then drop em'
That way they will have to go on trial wearing burka's!...cant you see it!
Amitola @ 83:
I can hear the Iranians crying with outrage, "What did we do to deserve THEM?"
Eric Hussein in Ottawa @ 85:
Kennedy warned us 40 years ago! (secret society) 5 min radio speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
chicano2nd @ 49:
I've been wondering when it would finally come down to that.
I do believe it's inevitable. When the courts, financial systems and political system are all more or less controlled by the same small group, you have to wonder about the efficacy of trying to change it from the inside.
re. October surprise
It could be composed of multiple facets this year:
1) Operations in Pakistan & the hunt for bin Laden
2) Iran
3) The economy
chicano2nd @ 49:
The problem with a revolution is that these people are too slick; they will just sit back, making money by selling weapons to both sides.
Something's brewing
Give this warmonger Glick a rifle and drop her on the Iraq-Iran border and point her to Tehran. Tell her she's fighting for freedom and the Amerikan way. Tell her the Iranians will welcome her with open arms.
Abbybwood @ 75:
Actually, JKF was the ONLY U.S. president to require Israel to have its Dimona facility inspected. He believed in a nuclear-free Middle East. Israel objected to inspections, but eventually agreed to allow inspectors in after it had built a false chamber to hide the reactor's real size giving it the appearance of a nuclear power generating reactor (i.e. not weapons grade).
This information was first revealed in the 80s. You can check various reliable sources online.
JFK was the last president to do so.
Orangutan. @ 46:
Make stuff up ...Bin laden did it
Make stuff up ...Khalid Sheik Mohammed did it
Make stuff up ...Saddam did it
Make stuff up ...Russia did it
Make stuff up ...hijakkers did it
Make stuff up ...Bruce Ivins did it
Make stuff up ...D.C. madam killed herself (did it)
Make stuff up ...10 second freefall (did it)
ect...ect...ect...
bomb iran therefore never can leave iraq.
51st @ 97:
And paid for it with his life.
The U.S. continues to be a puppet state of israel. Nothing new to see here people, move along.
Give Tehran the bomb...save Iran from America.
JINSA AND AIPAC and other Israeli lobbying organizations along with Israel will say anything to trump up the need to attack Iran no matter how many facts stand in their way. The recent National Intelligence Estimate about Iran means nothing to them. The Iaea's Mr. El Baradei's request to turn down the inflammatory rhetoric means nothing. The recent effort of five former Secretaries of State stating that we should talk with Iran means nothing.
We need to reign JINSA AND AIPAC IN. Both of these groups should be required to register as agents of a foreign nation. NOW
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Mass murder.
Russians are taking their mission seriously. They are moving into the ME to prepare for the great wars.
Check this link: http://www./index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75705
Neo-classical secular humanist @ 96:
Better yet >>>>> send Sarah Palin!!
Let Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid fix it. . . .
The current size of the enrichment cascades Iran possesses make the assertion that that have sufficient material to construct six bombs extremely unlikely. Unfortunately the IAEA do not have unrestricted access to Iran's facilities so they are in no position to detect a diversion. Even if they Iran had sufficient material for a bomb there is a lot more to making a bomb then just having weapons grade material and they would have to test bomb configurations which would be impossible to hide. Given the state of their delivery systems the represent a threat to no country but the neighboring ones. Which brings us to Israel. One nuclear weapon would be sufficient to render a third of Israel uninhabitable if it was in the 100 Kt range. I've asked this question before. Do you think Israel is willing to bet their country on Iran's good intentions? This situation needs to be headed off by some serious diplomacy. Two years ago would have been a good time to start.
Peter G @ 107:
I'm trying to find the objectivity in your post, but I can find none. I mean you do start with a reasonable enough argument saying that Iran's going to have a hard time hiding its nuclear program should it decide to build "the bomb". But, then you go off on a tangent that takes the reader deep into your ideological abyss. Your post is like the same tired and rehearsed Fox Noise, New York Post and Jerusalem Post crap; more ideology, less facts.
You post the same pro-Israel stuff every time Iran is up for discussion. All the while you fail to reach the basic logical conclusions.
A) Israel can deliver nuclear weapons from submarines.
B) Israel has scattered its missile silos over 4 (that I know of) sites throughout Israel.
C) 20% of Israel's population are Palestinians from 1948. No nuclear strike can be limited to an area so small so as to only kill Jews in Israel. Even Tel-Aviv is a mere 10 miles from the nearest Arab town to the east.
Despite all this, you keep beating the same drum that Israel is under a threat. Well, how the fuck do you get to that conclusion? Just don't preach to us about how Israel, the poor little country, is under threat.
If anyone is isolated and is under threat in this day and age it's Iran, along with other neighboring countries like Syria who's economy is crumbling.
But, people like you won't be happy until every country in the Middle East is poor and weak, unable to defend itself in the face of capable states like Israel.
You talk about diplomacy, what kind of diplomacy? Decade long sanctions like those imposed on Iraq? Like the ones that killed 1,000,000 Iraqi children because Madeline Albright thought it was "worth it"? Is that your kind of diplomacy.
You see the fact is the world is tired of little pukes like you and the little whiner state that is Israel.
אתה חלאה מאין כמוהה
If you can't read that then perhaps you need to learn the language of the country you so much love. You're like the chicken hawks on the republican side who keep pushing for war, trumpeting their patriotism, but when you ask them to join the the military they start making excuses. You're the same type of weasel, sitting here in the comfort of your American home, while meddling in the affairs of people who are 10,000 miles away.
Rupet Murdoch and Crew is a cancer in the body of world civilization.
Any US attack on Iran would do the following
1. Crash the USA economy beyond any return
2. China would take opportunity to take back Taiwan forcefully (what are we gonna do about it while busy with 3 other wars)
3. Tension would mount between Pakistan and India with Nuclear War a possibility
McDuff @ 108:
You are an idiot. Israel does not have a submarine capable of launching a missile, nuclear tipped or otherwise. Nowhere in my post did I indicate any sort of support for an Israeli strike against Iran. In fact in other posts I have offered the opinion that this would have disastrous consequences. The relevance of Israel's nuclear arsenal and its' disposition escapes me and I suspect that would apply to anyone. Anyone who knows what a threat assessment is also knows that it is based on what an opponent can do and not on what you hope they will do. The tenor of that little diatribe leads me to believe that it isn't just Israel for which you hold such a blind hatred. It's pretty obvious where you're coming from. As I already mentioned this situation demands diplomacy or are you against that too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_total_troops
Good luck 'liberating' Iran...
Write this ho at Carolineglick.com. Tell her your thoughts about fabricating another war. I told her if she wants war so badly that the neocons should enlist their kids to do the fighting this time. Let Jewish mothers know the hearbreak of hearing the knock on the door, letting them know their son is dead. Let them deal with the son who returns with all of his facial features burned off. Let Bill Kristol Jr. come home blinded with both legs blown off. Let them know!!!!!!!!!!
I don't get this whole pre-traumatic disorder thing. They are crying that they are under constant threat, while they are the only country that is constantly waging war against its neighbor, and does ethnic cleansing on its territories. (Yes, the OT is de facto theirs. They do not accept the international laws, the UN resolutions, there is no one to enforce them, ergo the territories under their occupation is theirs.) They claim they can't make peace with the Palestinians, because they will wipe them off the map with their garage rockets and human bombs. (While they have the state-of-the-art weaponry from Uncle Sam.) They cry antisemitism every time someone dares to criticize their policies. And they want to blow the shit up in the ME completely. Why? Don't just read the article, read all the comments. The "average Joe" both here, in the US, and there seem to have a hatred to everything that's Muslim there to the point where facts do not matter. How exactly are you going to make peace with this mindset? How exactly is it different from the Nazis' rhetoric about the inferior races, and their corrupted influence on the society? They said the same thing: if only those "animals" wold be reasonable, they would love nothing but peace.
WHAT!? You mean zionists LIE? You're kidding, right? This must be some joke. zionists are the most HONEST people on the planet. I mean, look at their country. It was CONCEIVED in honesty!!!
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