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Second Presidential Debate Liveblog

Second Presidential Debate

Belmont University

Nashville, TN

Town hall format; domestic/foreign policy

How long will it take McCain to pivot from tax policy to William Ayers? Will Obama respond in kind and bring up McCain's much more controversial associations? Will Brokaw make up facts again to help McCain? Will either candidate get thrown a curveball from an audience member? We're about to find out.

Consider this another open thread. You can find the "McLiar Bingo" drinking game here.

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Mike's Blog Round Up

NPR Check: If our side kills 'em, they must be militants

Confined Space: Throwaway Workers...Marc McDonald explains how unions help the economy. Under BushCo there are troubling trends on Americans' incomes...and go read Malcolm Gladwell's excellent analysis of why America's private pension system is in crisis.

Discourse.net: The stench of "Number Two"

Shakespeare's Sister: One of the things I most detest about Bush is his tendency to speak about domestic issues as if he isn’t the f**king president.

Lawyers, Guns and Money: Disturbing aspects of the deliberations surrounding Bush v Gore

Talk To Action: Blogging the Religious Right



Feingold

Atrios:

Feingold: "I’m amazed at Democrats, cowering with this president’s numbers so low. The administration just has to raise the specter of the war and the Democrats run and hide…too many Democrats are going to do the same thing they did in 2000 and 2004. In the face of this, they’ll say we’d better just focus on domestic issues…[Democrats shouldn’t] cower to the argument, that whatever you do, if you question administration, you’re helping the terrorists"

Raw Story has more on Democrats against Feingold...

MyDD: "Senator Wayne "Whiny" Allard, Republican of Colorado, accused Feingold of 'siding with terrorists' by introducing his censure resolution. They have a petition up demanding Allard apologize. Frankly, Senator Whiny Allard should be expelled from the Senate for accusing a colleague of treason."



57% Just Say No To War

Recovering Liberal

The numbers are in and it does not look to good for Dubya and the Neo-Cons. According to a CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll released Tuesday,fifty-seven percent of Americans now think that it was not worth going to war with Iraq. This is a decrease in support for Bush's Oil war of 9% since a similar poll in Feb. of this year.

Additionally, fifty-six percent of our fellow citizens now feel that the war is going "badly," an increase of 11 percentage points since March. Maybe this would explain theirunwillingness to offer up their children to fight this folly? 

Certainly, it 'splains why the military is resorting to illegal and ethically questionably methods to recruit new cannon fodder, nowadays. Recovering Liberal

But does anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania Av. seem to be listening?  I doubt it.

If they did they would still be reeling from a recent Gallup finding that 50% of Americans now say that Bush Deliberately Misled them aka, the fucker lied through his teeth,  on WMDs, or that  56 percent think that he is doing a generally shitty job on domestic issues unwillingness to offer up their children to fight this folly?

Certainly, it 'splains why the military is resorting to illegal and ethically questionably methods to recruit new cannon fodder, nowadays. Recovering Liberal

But does anyone at 1600 Pennsylvania Av. seem to be listening? I doubt it.

If they did they would still be reeling from a recent Gallup finding that 50% of Americans now say that Bush Deliberately Misled them aka, the fucker lied through his teeth, on WMDs, or that 56 percent think that he is doing a generally shitty job on domestic issues.

But the smirking chimp, (God, I wish I'd thought of that name), rolls merrily along nominating psychopaths and bullies and attempting to remodel this county in the image of Saudi Arabia.

Willing partners in this stealing of our democracy are the mainstream media, CBSNBCABCFOX who with their kindred spirits in the daily pubs have been largely successful  in blocking out virtually any notice of anti-administration citizen action.

Case in point, the anti nuclear proliferation rally in Central Park on Monday. If you follow this link you will be taken to the web site of a company called the Big News Network, an outfit incorporated in Bahrain, who's  main offices are in Sydney, Australia.

THIS IS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THIS DEMONSTRATION!!!

 

America's Leading Plague-of-Frogs Insurance Salesman

Norbizness

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But the smirking chimp, (God, I wish I'd thought of that name), rolls merrily along nominating psychopaths and bullies and attempting to remodel this county in the image of Saudi Arabia.

Willing partners in this stealing of our democracy are the mainstream media, CBSNBCABCFOX who with their kindred spirits in the daily pubs have been largely successful in blocking out virtually any notice of anti-administration citizen action.

Case in point, the anti nuclear proliferation rally in Central Park on Monday. If you follow this link you will be taken to the web site of a company called the Big News Network, an outfit incorporated in Bahrain, who's main offices are in Sydney, Australia.

THIS IS THE ONLY SOURCE FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THIS DEMONSTRATION!!!



Final Presidential Debate Liveblog

Debate-GlassHouse_0c837.jpg (image via Zina Saunders)

October 15, 2008

Hempstead, NY

Hofstra University

Focus on Economy and Domestic Issues

I gotta say, being from Long Island and having the final debate here at Hofstra is pretty exciting. Too bad it was virtually impossible to get tickets. According to all objective measurements, Obama/Biden are 3-0 so far, and I'm sure Senator Obama will be looking for the sweep tonight. John McCain finds himself in an unenviable predicament. On the one hand, he desperately needs to shake up the race and cut into Obama's lead while making him seem unacceptable. On the other hand, his relentless attacks have seemed to backfire, with Obama seeing consistent (albeit modest) gains in his already decent lead. John McCain has already promised to bring up Ayers, but will he actually do it? Will we see the mythical "honorable" McCain we've heard so much about? Or will we see an extension of the wingnut-fueled do-anything pol of the past few months? We're about to find out.

In the meantime, check out this hysterical McCain debate prep video.

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9:00 pm: Are we're off.

9:00 pm: First question: Why is your economic proposal better than the others? McCain repeats the lie that Fannie and Freddie are the real culprits behind the economic collapse. For more on that, read Matt Taibbi's smackdown on Byron York.

9:07 pm: Obama goes right after the middle class.

9:08 pm: McCain is absolutely botching his response.

9:09 pm: Obama to McCain:" "Looks like you're watching some John McCain ads." Sets him straight on his tax policy.

9:11 pm: McCain: Obama's entire economic policy is based on "class warfare"

9:17 pm: McCain is pulling a Palin, answering questions that aren't asked. Undecided Ohio men are loving it.

9:20 pm: "I'm not President Bush. You should have ran in 2004 if you wanted to run against him."

9;22 pm: McCain gets aggressive. Ohio men love it, Ohio women not so much.

9:23 pm: Obama nails FOX News. "Even FOX News says that's not true."

9:25 pm: Scheiffer on attacks: Say it to his face!

9:27 pm: McCain avoids Ayers altogether. Gets all his jabs in pretty effectively.

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