Cheney's Secrets Run Deep
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jun 23, 2007 8:45amThe Washington Post has a four part series on Dick Cheney's shadowing dealings...This man makes Nixon look like a saint.
So clandestine is the Vice President's work that he has created a new secret document designation: "Treated As: Top Secret/SCI."
That's not all: the piece also reveals that Cheney keeps 'man-size' Mosler safes on hand for "workaday business" and has destroyed all Secret Service visitor logs, in addition to already refusing to comply with a national security directive issued by President Bush [..].
Not only does he refuse to give the names of his staff, Cheney won't even disclose how many people he employs.
"Across the board, the vice president's office goes to unusual lengths to avoid transparency," the Post article says. "Cheney declines to disclose the names or even the size of his staff, generally releases no public calendar and ordered the Secret Service to destroy his visitor logs."
"Stealth is among Cheney's most effective tools," the piece adds. "Man-size Mosler safes, used elsewhere in government for classified secrets, store the workaday business of the office of the vice president. Even talking points for reporters are sometimes stamped "Treated As: Top Secret/SCI."
"Experts in and out of government said Cheney's office appears to have invented that designation, which alludes to "sensitive compartmented information," the most closely guarded category of government secrets," the Post adds. "By adding the words "treated as," they said, Cheney seeks to protect unclassified work as though its disclosure would cause "exceptionally grave damage to national security."
The Post intimates that Cheney's office is like a black hole -- everything goes in, but nothing comes out.
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What I want to see is top republicans defend cheney's actions. If you noticed the Sunday lineup they seem to be missing this morning. All the usual suspects have taken the day off. Could it be they wanted to avoid this topic?
Oh, but that's OKAY because he's keeping us SAFE!!! As long as we're not doing anything wrong...whatever our dear government feels is appropriate is fine with us...let's have MORE of these guys...I'm sure Timmy, Chris, FAUX NEWS, Rush, Sean et al will help with that!
When will they get enough balls to impeach this bastard? What else to they need to see?
Heil Cheney!
ugh
He's cutting up Iraq for oil interests - playing middle man, cutting access deals that will reward him and Halliburton in 9-figure increments.
It's a great country if you own it.
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One day, these dark skies will clear and this National Nightmare will be over but to ignore it is comtemtable. Cheney and his ilk need to be investigated, tried and convicted.
In the words of Emporer Palpatine, Dick Cheney seeks "Unlimited powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"
This nation is in really sad shape and we're being held hostage by the 26% President and his oafish James Bond villain-like Weep.
-GSD
What gets me is that the Republican establishment sees nothing wrong with this. Yet, you damn well, that when the next Democrat VP does the exact same thing, the Republicans will scream bloody murder. This has to stop.
Looks like Daring Dick believes he is the Invisible Man.
He'll get away with it.
America clearly hates this criminal yet congress protects him.
"In the words of Emporer Palpatine, Dick Cheney seeks “Unlimited powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!”"
It is easy to picture lighting shooting out from his finger tips while cackling, "Gitmo is fully operational!"
dick honestly believes that he is the new general motors - that what's bad for dick is bad for the country. at least, as honestly as he does anything.
what he forgets is that he works for us. imagine telling your boss that he can't see your work logs because they are classified! of course, we understand that there are national security reasons for not making some things public, but that power is a privilege which we extend to our civil servants by virtue of trust. a trust which most no longer have in cheney or bush.
the "unvarnished advice" argument is specious for the same reason - we have the right to know who is directing policy and why. any pushback on the advice or its messenger are also our right, and the advisors have the same accountability to the people as do the elected officials that hear them. essentially, they are subcontractors to the public trust.
cheney should be fired. impeached. the records should be reviewed, and if criminal activities come to light he should be prosecuted. it is that simple.
I'm SOOO tired of this bullcrap... What event would be big enough to force these bozos in Congress to take action? Does Cheney have to start killing our young? Oh wait, he's doing that already, in Iraq...
GSD @ 9:
Maybe the Dems can create an illusion-trick everything is now nifty if they take it in 08.
People want to be told how things are. They'll even pay money for it.
And the democrats didn't know about all of this? Why do Pelosi and Reid continue to sit on their hands and DO NOTHING! We desparately need some leadership NOW. Replace Pelosi and Reid with someone who cares, someone who will take the necessary steps to stop this criminal organization. For God's sake, take action against Cheney before he goes any further in his rush for power.
How many more concrete examples do we need of Bush/Cheney's shredding of the Constitution and abuse of power before our Congress acts to impeach these bastards? These idiots are sick and dangerous, as they pretend to promote democracy abroad even as they work actively to destroy it at home. Impeach. Indict. Imprison. NOW!
it's search warrant time - toss his office - and then toss him out of it
A man-size safe? That would be either his crypt where he hangs upside down during the day, or a transporter to beam him back to his slime-covered home planet.
I've heard descriptions of lunch at Cheney's office. [deleted. Knock it off, or you'll end up banned. - site monitor]
Cheney is protected by congress.
Cheney failed in Iraq.
Cheney failed to catch Osama and Zawahiri.
Cheney is protected by Congress.
America has clearly stated it's position on Bush/Cheney/Gonzales.
Congress still supports them.
The Incredible Falcon of the Adirondacks @ 21:
Yeah that's not gonna work. Rove tried that "oh you're being silly we're actually good guys" sctick by break dancing. Go F*** yourself.
If this congress does not impeach/arrest Cheney, they deserve to be impeached/arrested.
Enough is enough.
We've been posting the same things over and over for 6.5 years now.
Zero results.
Except C+L is still going.
christine @ 8:
This is what scares me. What this administration has done is wrong whether you are republican or democrat. I fear the next administration, if Democratic, won't undo all the wrongdoing but take advantage of it and just be an extension of Bush/Cheney.
he will continue doing whatever he pleases as long as there are no repercussions. he knows that he can so why not.
This is great news, another nail in the republican coffin.
Tech is quite the scam. They have us convinced it's our duty to work for free.
How'd ya' like to rake in $55,000 to give a speech on poverty?
what's it going to take for:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hr8k8WHTzN0
Fascist States of America @ 26:
BEWARE! The old slippery slope.
I just wonder how we can stop this administration when the courts are stacked with cronies, the DOJ is obviously a crony, and there is no independent investigative counsel to turn to anywhere.
{Just a note} I was look at this site; http://www.liveleak.com/
which has videos posted by soldiers. Some are pretty nasty, but it seems to be non-regulated.
Can't get used this new configuration!
Darth Cheney is the REAL President, Bush is just a frontman and cutout.
Someone needs to secretly and permanently this man.
For all we know he could be conspiring with our enemies to benefit Halliburton and in turn his excessive deferred compensation balance.
He MUST
answer to the American people, fat bastard.
I have said it before and I will say it again, It is a great time to be a neocon, fascists, Republican, pig in government today. You can lie, cheat, steal, block, opstruct, and veto and people will blame the Democrats. I wont go into the explainations of how the U.S. government works and all the power that people seem to think the Democrats in congress have is mostly knee jerking fantasy. I will say that the GOP couldn't workout a better stragity if they tried for 100 years. Great work progressives, make sure that no matter what the story is about you can always find a way to bash the Democrats. In the words of Barbara Bush "this is working out very well for you"
druidbros Says:
When will they get enough balls to impeach this bastard? What else to they need to see?
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Well, I admire you optimism!
We are a nation of eunuchs!
I don't want to know the size of his staff either. Yuck!!
Darth Cheney is this country's nightmare. A nightmare one cannot wake up from. He chills me to the core.
Forget about congress and impeachment. We need a special prosecutor to bring charges against Cheney. He has committed so many crimes, it should be easy to bring charges against him.
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For all we know he could be conspiring with our enemies to benefit Halliburton and in turn his excessive deferred compensation balance.
This fat bastard MUST answer to the American people.
Posted this in the wrong place. My apologies.
The lost girl story will now pre empt everything.
Wake up, America. Time is running out. Your election system is being summarily eliminated. THERE WILL BE NO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN ‘08. What do you think Cheney is hiding? Iraq info. HA! Add it up. Connect the dots. It’s FAR bigger than that. That’s why he’s hiding it all. Just like his meeting with the oil executives.
Boy, this is a dumber country than even I believed. Go adhead build a fence around the country. See what happens. Put the noose around your own necks. The ignorant bastards that comprise this country deserve EVERYTHING that they are going to get. Dead children, lost futures. All sanctioned, signed off and paid for by the prisoners.
Germany was destroyed by conventional weapons due to its ignorance. Those who ignore the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them. Only this time, the world will destroy US…and they won’t have to set foot on our own soil to do it. The free market elitists that control this country don’t mind playiing by jungle rules, cause they don’t have to LIVE in the jungle. They are above it. See what your mad thirst for consumption brings you. Embrace it. Enjoy it while you can. There will be no telethons for starving Americans. There won’t BE any Americans.
Sit back, let the Dick Cheney’s of the world flaunt your so-called laws. There’ll be no place to hide. No place to run. AND no one to blame. But ourselves.
From yesterday's news:
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said he plans to propose next week, as part of a spending bill for executive operations, a measure to place a hold on funds for Cheney's office and official home until he clarifies to which branch of the government he belongs. Emanuel acknowledged that the proposal is just a stunt, but he said that if Cheney is not part of the executive branch, he should not receive its funds. "As we say in Chicago, follow the money," he said.
Cheney never intended to catch Osama. Osama the boogeyman has been Cheney's best tool in order to get Americans to surrender their freedoms and refuse to question him.
Congress completely turns a blind eye to this guy. What are they afraid of? Cheney has an approval rating almost in single digits, i'm sure those few who support him were hardly going to vote democrat anyway.
The Democrats are apparently taking steps to cut funding to the VPs office unless Cheney starts to comply with the Executive order on secret documents. This should get good! Maybe the Dems have balls after all!
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/014786.php
Congress is PAID OFF by the elites.
Why is this so difficult to figure out??
Democracy is dead. It was a nice idea. Maybe someone will write a book about it.
Congress will DO NOTHING. They will put on a show committee...just as they did with the AG...then do NOTHING.
The sheeple will be satisfied...IF they even watch...which they won't...they'll be paying attention to missing white girls.
VietVet67 @ 40:
I'm sure it's nothing to be impressed by...
Janet @ 1:
I guess. So long as you can inflict damage and destroy the Bush adminstration. You don't care if all the secrets of our government as published so our enemies and in particular the terrorists can use them to kill innocent, men, women and children. All the terrrosits and our enemies have to do to find out what we're doing and how and where to attack us is watch nbc, cbs, abc, npr, pbs and of course cnn (the Clinton National Network.)
I'm sure the fundamentalist islamic terrorist and people like Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Putin and other dicators like them must be in complete and total agreement with people like you.
People like you will make it so much easier for them to achieve their goals of world domination and the destruction of of western civilization, our way of life and culture as we know it.
The Fourth Estate is DEAD. Without the Fourth Estate, there can be no democracy. Why do you thnk the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated? Why do you think media consolidation and privatization of the air waves was done?
You live in a totalitarian society masked in a democratic system.
Paint your fingers purple, pull on your puds and move on.
Paranoid/Delusional/Psycopathic
and untouchable unless we act
Next step. Tightening the gun laws.
Jesus. Impeach him already.
Like the new comment system, btw. Much better than the old one.
Anyone notice that the NRA is now in favor of gun control?
Ohhh...it's all for the public goood!!
Liberal AND Proud @ 44:
If they destroy us who will they have left to impose their illegal powers over. Cheney can't be operating on batteries forever. We The People need to take back America. We need to appoint special prosecutors to take these guys on.
The elites already have their places to go. They have their money.
They don't care if WE are destroyed. They don't NEED us.
How's the state of American manufacturing these days. How is outsourcing of WHITE COLLAR jobs going.
Wake up.
We served our purpose. There is LOADS of cheap labor on the planet. The infrastructure is already built.
"The infrastructure is already built."
But the infrastructure is in decay. People do not want to pay taxes to maintain them. The bridges and roads are literally falling apart at the seams.
I mean FOREIGN infrastructure.
Have you called customer services lately...they ain't in Tennessee ya know.
What?
Liberal AND Proud @ 49:
Unfortunately, I have to agree. Each time we have seen this and each time its been a let down. Each systematic grab by the Bush Administration for more power, more of our rights, and liberties has been ignored by both the Democrats and Republicans. We have something different know in this country and its not a Democracy. We now have our own tyrants in Bush and Cheney just as Rome had its own Julius Ceasar and Mark Antony.
Liberal AND Proud @ 59:
You might want to check out the video I posted on "Mike's Roundup" about H-1B Workers Program if you don't already know about it.
:-)
Hard Talk.
C'mon...jobs are OUTSOURCED. Maybe not ALL of them yet...but...
Americans are flipping burgers. Office jobs in the east are drying up.
America is being hollowed out.
Cheney never intended to catch Osama. Osama the boogeyman has been Cheney’s best tool in order to get Americans to surrender their freedoms and refuse to question him.
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Where does that leave 9/11?
"Wake up, America. Time is running out. Your election system is being summarily eliminated. THERE WILL BE NO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN ‘08."
Call me paranoid, but the Shrub has already signed Referendum 51 (his name for declaring Marshall Law), in anticipation of canceling The Constitution and life as we know it.
It's the date before 9/12 and the date after 9/10
It's amazing to think he's not been impeached or pressured to resign. Spiro Agnew had to leave early in his term. It's breathtaking to think that Cheney has been able to do so much damage for so long and be unchallenged or unpressured to leave office or amend his ways.
Call me paranoid, but the Shrub has already signed Referendum 51
Bush is a tool. A moron. His Dad is pulling all the strings through Dick Cheney and the rest of the corporate elites.
Rick @ 51:
Whoa. You totally read me wrong. Maybe I didn't express myself well enough but I was not defending cheney's actions in any way. My point was that the republicans always defend these illegal actions and I wanted to see how they would spin this.
Dick Cheney is the absolutely the worst person ever to hold higher office in this country. He is anti constitution, an obstructionist, a fascist, a war profiteer, a oil profiteer who serves no one but himself and his family. Dick Cheney is not a public servant. His record speaks for itself.
Rick @ 51:
Who's done more to harm western civilisation? Islamofacists or Bush/Cheney? It's obviously the latter. Bush has removed Habeus corpus, destroyed the bill of rights with the military commissions act, the patriot act and on and on and on. Oh and by the way buddy The islamic world has no intention of destroying the United States or its way of life. They fight because they're fighting to protect theirs. They're fighting to prevent further puppet dictators being put in.. whether it was the shah, Khazai, or this Iraqi "government". You really think if the islamic world wanted to attack you again they couldn't? Millions of illegals flood across the border every year.. it doesn't take much for someone to jump on a bus with a suicide vest and blow it to kingdom come.
Also, how can you accuse Venezula, and Cuba of seeking world domination? How many counties have they invaded? How many countries are they threatening to nuke? None. Maybe the reason that there are so many anti-american voices in the world now, is down to the fact that America is doing something wrong? Did you ever stop and think that when maybe the majority of the world hates Bush/Cheney, they might actually be doing something wrong?
I don't understand why this isn't getting MSM coverage. Nowhere this morning did I hear anyone dicussung this on the news outlets. This is truly scarey. On Friday, I read over at TP that Bush has stated the same thing that Cheney has. We're doomed. :sad:
Lets just play a few games of hangman and get this country back to civilization and spirituallity
It is time for the people to rise up. Why aren't more people calling their representatives. Their phones should be ringing off the hook. Their faxes should be working overtime. Maybe it is time the people started their own impeachment process. Waxman and Conyers are the only ones doing any true investigations.
So clandestine is the Vice President’s work that he has created a new secret document designation: “Treated As: Top Secret/SCI.”
THERES NOTHING NEW ABOUT A TS/TSI CLASSIFICATION. THE FIRST SENTENCE IN THIS STORY IS UNTRUE AND BRINGS TO QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF THE ENTIRE "RAW" STORY.
It is true that Trick Dick is a thug, a criminal, a liar and a creep.
Jeez, with Cheney having access to, and creating, so much information that is classified, and now refusing to turn it over to archives or subject himself to scrutiny, a person's gotta wonder. What if he's giving that information to other governments or spies from other countries, committing treason, or giving it to private corporations outside the country? That would be likely get a lot of people really upset, wouldn't it? Might Cheney being doing something like that? Or maybe his staff? Something's really fishy there, huh? Shouldn't some patriots be kind of curious?
"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" -Lord Acton. The Bush/Cheney/GOPooper alliance is now an uncontrollable, full blown festering tumor in our midst. There has to be a concerted effort now, to remove this most destructive cancer from the body and soul of America, before it has a chance to masticize and do even more devastation than it already has. It needs to be exorcised and incinerated in the swiftest way possible, taking great care that none of the poisonous infection be allowed to escape, where it could again re-pollute the body of this great country. Only then will we be see the long path to healing that we so desperately need right now.
Gary @ 73:
As has been said time and time again, we are living under the Cheney administration. This article just fills in a few of the bureaucratic details.
Democracy in America is not quite dead, but is certainly ailing at very much a risk. What we've learned from the Bush administration is that there are some serious weaknesses in our system, a system we mistakenly thought was fool proof. As hard as they tried, our Founding Fathers couldn't forsee all the potential flaws or imagine an administration so willing to subvert the Constitution or will of the people for the sake of greed and power. What we've learned is that democratic reforms are necessary to protect, restore, and enhance our democracy. I don't have a clue how we make that happen, but so much is at stake, we must.
Speaking of cowards, w and cheney said they are above the law.
No accountablity for their crimes is the most cowardice act in US history.
How in the world can Americans support these cowards who think they are above the law?
Looks like they should have locked up Nixon to set an example.
Geez.
Hail to the Chimp @ 76:
Because most Americans don't believe it works. Voting has become a process of voting for the person one thinks is most likely to be least corrupt. Three candidates... which one is corrupt, which is more corrupt and which is most corrupt?
The last letter I sent to my representative on an issue, I got a nice form letter back with some details about how much she agrees with my views on the issue. However, I'm not dumb, her voting record doesn't back what she said in the letter. She lied.
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<blockquote>So clandestine is the Vice President’s work that he has created a new secret document designation: “Treated As: Top Secret/SCI.”
THERES NOTHING NEW ABOUT A TS/TSI CLASSIFICATION. THE FIRST SENTENCE IN THIS STORY IS UNTRUE AND BRINGS TO QUESTION THE CREDIBILITY OF THE ENTIRE "RAW" STORY.</blockquote>
That is true. That particular classification is not new. What this does mean however is that only a few or even a handful of people will have access to that information. More than likely no one outside of Cheney's office will ever be able to see it and that includes Congress. By giving Cheney's work this classification it removes all oversight. In other words, its another removal of the checks and balances. Cheney could have meetings with organized crime figures, drug cartel members, etc. and no one would ever know about it.
[Sitemonitor: What is "new" about this designation is the "Treat as:" prefix, which elevates the document into the realm of compartmented information.]
There you go again Blame america first! In case you haven't heard communist do seek to overthrow democratic government and install a communist system, ( e.g. Cuba and Venezuela,) and so do islamo fascism.
Part of their doctrine is convert to islam or have your head chopped off! They don't care if you are a democrat, liberal, or conservative.
They want do here in the u.s. what they are doing in Iraq, and other places around the world. Wake up! the enemy is not George W. Bush, or his vice-president. it's those who are killing our soldier in Iraq and other places around the world and want to do the same here with the help of naive people like you.
Too funny. Reminds me of the "Cone of Silence" from the Get Smart shows. If these guys are too secretive, they'll never know what each other is up to. Could bite them in the ass down the line.
Joe O. @ 86:
Thanks sitemonitor. Thats pretty much what I was trying to get at. :)
Rick.
The PEOPLE are America. Not George Bush. Not Dick Cheney.
Go read, and come back when you actually KNOW what you're talking about.
And to make matters worse, in Today's Los Angeles Times not one mention of Cheny's or Bush's claim to be above the laws of the land. And on a lighter note: I saw sicko last night, and if it doesn't make you so fucking mad, then somethings wrong. Moore is right: We are a country of me's, not we's. I am so pissed... sorry to babble, but what the hell is it going to take for us to get our fat asses off of these chairs and out into the streets?
Unbelievable. This criminal has been criminaling behind the scenes from the beginning and JUST NOW they are starting to take a serious look at him? It takes him actually saying in so many words "Watch how I break the law and get away with it " for us to be alarmed?
Dumb and Dumber was a set up and we were so mesmerized by Dumber's incompetance and misadventures with the English language that we forgot about the other half of the disaster. They put Jr. in the Oval Office and give him the sports pages to read while Dick was destroying our country, its economy and foriegn policy all in order so that he could stuff his pockets with cash and gorge on power.
He's a %$*#) sociopath!
I never honestly believed George W was a puppet until today. Cheney's the retard in charge.
Rick @ 87:
They are killing our soldiers in Iraq because we are in their fucking country! Jesus, wouldn't you do the same to an enemy in our country? Oh wait, you wouldn't attack our president, would you, you friggin Nazi! Get your head out of the sand, you dumb hick!
Naive? How naive to think that your own leaders would not betray you to make a buck or too expand their version of power. The enemy is ourselves for wasting time with the present administration when we could become everything they abhor, an informed and engaged voting public.
Seems simple but the Plan is not working and Bullseye Dick is in the last throes, as it were, of his dictatorship, and of his control of the Chimp.
That only means that things will be darker until the light. At least, no repugnant-can will ever be elected for anything, ever.
Small comfort when your democracy is in ruins. What is left to fight wars for then? King Turdblossom?
Rick @ 87:
Where do you get your information? Oh, I know, Faux Snooz.
Rick, you must look cute in your little red, white and blue jammies that say..."My President right or wrong written on them".
Fellow bloggers, there is absolutely no point in responding to Rick @ 87. Anybody, including him, who doesn't get it at this point never will. He's a red lemming. Worthless. Absolutely worthless.
Now Bush is "the enforcer". Well, Nancy Pelosi is "the impeacher" and she had damn well better do her job. That is the only way we are ever going to have a prayer of getting to the bottom of the black hole that is Cheney.
Rusty,
The lemmings have secured their place in the New World Order. Cannon fodder.
This is an example why American soldiers are not respected by the Iraqi people
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32d_1182427382
This is just a very small reason you can see more horrifying reasons in other Iraq videos
Somewhere, looking in on Dick Cheney from their own little section of hell, Dick Nixon turns to Ronald Reagan and Lee Atwater and says: "Goddamn, THAT'S how ya do it!!"
A childhood friend who happens to be a Red State girl is coming around on the war. This is the conversation we had yesterday:
Red State Friend: You know, I think I'm finally over the war. I don't think we're going to be successful in Iraq.
Rusty B. Shakleford: Really? Wow. So you finally get it?
Red State Friend: Yeah, I just think we should take the oil and get out of there.
Rusty B. Shakleford: How can you, as a Christian, say that? It's not our oil, it's their oil.
Red State Friend: Yeah, but we should get something for all the trouble they've put us through.
Rusty B. Shakleford: You mean for all the trouble we put them through. Don't forget, this was a preemptive and illegal war. The United Nations refused to sanction it. Remember?
Red State Friend: The United Nations? They're worthless! We don't need the United Nations. They are so corrupt!
End of conversation.
And he's still in office why?
Dems: no guts.
Liberal AND Proud @ 90:
I hate to remind you of this but George W. Bush is the president of the U.S. of America! he represents all of us! The president of the u.s.a. represent all of us whethere he is a republican or a democrat.
So it is you who should go back and learn more about the subject and not just repeat rumor, lies and innuendo from the blogs and the talking points of the democratic party!
You better wake up and smell the flowers. These people hated us long before George W. Bush even thought of becoming president of the U.S. and will hate us long before he is gone.
This is very telling about the mind of the Dark Lord. It tells me that fear is one of the most prominent features of his inner life. His behavior isn't rational and is self-defeating. The only place where that kind of behavior would tangentally touch rationality is if he has made a conscious decision to behave criminally as regards his legal obligations. This paints a picture of a megalomaniac who lives in terror of self-created demons.
Janet @ 1:
How about this for a question in one of the next GOP debate?
A recent editorial in the Sacramento Bee noted that: "Vice President Cheney has claimed his office is not part of the executive branch. Nor the legislative branch. And therefore not accountable to either." Do you agree with this view?
I've got news for YOU.
I already KNOW that. The bottom line is...THIS President manipulated events to advance the cause of the oil industry...of which he is a part.
Learn geopolitics. Saddam Hussein served a PURPOSE. Like every other DICTATOR that WE put in place. The civil war...not the war on terror...is a direct result of George Bush putting his and Dick Cheney's own personal interests ahead of the country.
Liberal AND Proud @ 108:
And I'm not going to bandy words with you. You are entitled to your beliefs. History will reflect who was right.
Rick @ 51:
And people like you make it easy for them to demolish the Constitution. I guess you're one of them 26 percenters.
Rick
It is unfortunate that brainwashing does work. When your brain shuts down and turns to mush, you can't have a independent thought. You can only repeat what you are programed to repeat. Help may be just around the corner, but you have to be willing to seek out the help. I hope it is not too late for you.
Cheney is a pink, fat, balding, old angry white man. We can only hope this fat disgusting pig drops dead from a heart attack in mid sentence at some convention of other rich, pink, pasty cracker bitches. This man should be led to the Hague in chains and an orange jumpsuit. GITMO for the whoe Bush administration.
Stockholm Syndrome: a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as when referring to those who are card carrying members of the Republican party, victimes of battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases, and bride kidnapping.
kaT @ 104:
Hey they're all guts when it comes to slamming Nader. Or receiving payments from their corporate masters. Nothing BUT guts!
With all the money pouring into these so-called agencies, it seems they should have figured out that this doesn't pass the smell test.
We already know cheney wants to invade Iran, let's see how this madman intends to carry this out.
And let's see how much money is being kicked back from halliburton to the madman.
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im sorry it just seems like she was trying to make a story out of fluff. And also, gays in the military is not about their rights. Its about the morale of the majority of the other people serving. Democrats need to make that a non-issue. If they really wanted to serve and do their duty they would just keep it to themselves. Not so hard. Webb for president.
Cheney reminds me of those nuts many of us have had to work with at some time or another who won't let anyone see what they are working on, because they think everyone is trying to steal their work, or is out to get them.
The Republican Party: home to the closeted fruits and nuts.
Cheney is upfront about one thing, and that's the fact that he is willing to publicly flaunt his felonies because you and I don't want to get out from underneath the air conditioner long enough to put a stop to it.
rick, you poor thing, the terrorist don't need our help, not while chimpy's in office.
Let's count the ways:
1. Outing CIA operatives (yes, of course this has a rippling effect.
2. Post instructions on how to make a nuke on the internet (with illustrations.)
3. Supplying Sunnis with weapons after killing the Sunnis' leader and his family.
That's enough, it covers all bases. All the info they need.
You know there are tons more stuff.
How in the hell can repugs get away with spitting on the Constitution and disregarding the UN and the Geneva Convention?
What nancy is doing, is the one thing I hate about dems.
repugs they start wars to make money and use our finest for their own shittin ego.
al.Azif @ 118:
Can you contain your sexuality?
Just because one is gay doesn't mean they lust after any and all people (their gender.)
Unless you are some kind of whore, do you want all women?
Please think before commenting. Thank you.
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Time for a National show of unity. Let's organize MASSIVE demonstrations against this administration.
Large scale events were held in the 60's, even without the internet; just think what we could accomplish today. I hear a lot of angry people who should be willing to show the WH how they feel.
Also, I understand that SDS is back in operation- how 'bout it, students?
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Wow, you're a fine specimen, aren't you? You realize you just threatened someone, and that that is illegal, right?
Rick -
"...wake and smell the flowers..." ??? Dude, you can't even get a cliche correct! It's "wake up and smell the coffee."
Of course, the other phrase could be, "as you go through life, don't forget to stop and smell the coffee along the way."
Sheesh! As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon."
If you dig enough in the past, you will find that Cheney may have been part of the bigger picture of Nixon! However, he did not get caught, which is apparent in his behavior in todays world!
He brings the "you can't touch me" demeanor from his political past! All that needs to surface is his past to relate that to the current. Only then American's can put this shame on our political system to rest with accountably to his actions!
The puppet master has spoken! Time to cut the strings!
Can't Congress call for sanity hearings? I'm not joking, I'm serious. If the president or VP goes insane while in office, shouldn't there be safeguards in place so he can be removed?
Doesn't the "treat as" quantifier permit anyone, without formal security clearance, to see the document? And if someone made public the information in these documents; couldn't they avoid prosecution since it wasn't marked properly?
Right now the safest thing to do for U.S. national security would be to revoke all access to secure documents by the V.P. until it can be shown that Cheney is handling the material properly as defined by U.S. law.
Being that I used to work in military intelligence and actually had a Top Secret/SCI clearance, I find Cheney's actions insulting. Not only does it hide whatever unethical crap he is doing, it trivializes the whole classified information system.
The media? Do its job?
Barton Gellman, of the Washington Post, formerly the paper’s Jerusalem Bureau Chief, just wrote a piece with the title, ‘A Different Understanding with The President, and which includes a monologue of Cheney’s actions on 9/11 but makes no mention of the fact that Cheney was running NORAD that morning, and that the ’simulation’ of planes striking the WTC towers was part of the ’simulation’. And he makes no mention of Cheney’s STAND DOWN order which kept the Pentagon’s surface-to-air defenses from being used and which allowed the missile to strike the Pentagon.
Gellman’s report makes it seem like he’s privy to details of what goes on in the so-called ‘government’ yet he deliberately is reframing Cheney’s behavior on that day to make it seem like Cheney was just one more witness to the day’s staged events.
Don’t count on the media. They have all been bought and paid for. If you read the establishment’s media they will try to blind you with perfume-laced bullshit.
It's a fantastic article on an important subject. Cheney is very dangerous and a bully, if a subtle one. I think he may be the most evil high-ranking public official we've ever had. The Bush administration makes bad decisions in part because conservatives just have bad policies, but also because Cheney has set up, and Bush has approved, a decision-making process that circumvents all rational discussion. It's a feature, not a bug. What's so scary about Cheney is that he insists on getting his own way, despite the fact that he's disastrously wrong almost all the time. There's no learning curve. There doesn't appear a single goddam Cheney decision on the environment or energy that benefits the public good versus rich corporations and individuals, and his foreign policy will take decades to clean up. The Bushies really seem to embody The Peter Principle as implemented by Darth Vader, the Devil, Sauron, Voldemort, you name it. Really, if al Qaeda had wanted to harm the U.S. more, apart from more attacks, they'd be hard pressed to find better friends than the Bushies.
No surprise to you all, but in my 47 years, Darth Cheney is the most evil, vile, despicable, lying, arrogant, paranoid, manipulative, secretive piece of shit politician I have ever seen. I am sure there may have been some skankier KKK racist southern congressmen who may have been worse, but none have risen to the levels of this evil dark lord.
Nature is taking waaaaay too long to run its course with this rotten dude.
We talk in this house about what we will say to our children about this period in history 30 years from now. A summation: The government terrorized us.
Dick Cheney is a criminal rogue entity who has overtaken control of this Administration.
there is a completely unmonitored uninvestigated paranoid psychopath who has had full reign and control on all levers of government and at all levels right up to the so-called "President" of the United States of America from the first day this Administration unlawfully gained access to power.
Will NO ONE -- Congress and/or THE PRESS investigate and doggedly pursue this contemptible, sick and perverted hater of Democracy????
I've said it before and I'll say it again. A virulent strain of apathy has infected this nation. This is due to the fact that we have been desensitized to war's byproducts and because our army is an all volunteer one.
This government is not going to extract our country from the Middle East until people are willing to get outraged (like the students did in the '60s) and demonstrate that outrage.
Assume that all the warnings above concerning the disolving USA are true and Messrs. Cheney&Bush declare marshal law. Then the enforcement of this falls into the hands of the local police and National Guard. Will they fire on the massed citizens ala Kent State? Will the citizens mass.
Considering Florida 2000 the picture isn't very clear.
Rick @ 87:
No Rick, it's assclowns like you that are helping the enemy. You are too f*cking blind to see that BushCo (Cheney) are the true enemies of this country. F*ck You and all your kind.
I see he neglected to put "-FI" on that "SCI". In his own parallel universe, his own cosmic reality, it is a bit sci-fi. He's much scarier than Bush. Bush is the stooge-puppet (of Cheney) to distract us from his diabolical machinations.
I'll quote the Red Queen... Off with his head!!!
Is SCI warning for Sensitive Compartmented Information or Starts Criminal Investigation?
Besides the safes, I wonder how many shredders Dick "less" Cheney has? Or per reports about a document shredder company truck seen outside the VP's residence, what "loyal Cheney" document shredder company has he hired to shred all his documents for him?
Well, at least there will be no Dick Cheney vice-presidential library, because there'll be no documents left for it.
Of course, when Bush gets his library built, maybe a suitable tribute to Cheney can be found on the library grounds, like a Dick Cheney commemorative outhouse.
Nah. None of Cheney's "sensitive" documents will be left, so what will people use for toilet paper?
Perhaps if the American people were able to see our dead soldiers being carried off the planes instead of in the dead of night, they might wake up to this nightmare. Perhaps that is why the media was not allowed to show them in their coffins. THAT would be a wakeup in my opinion. This administration is killing people and we are allowing it.
cheney: "Help, the paranoids are after me."
Just a point of fact.... As much as I hate cheney and what he and his ilk have done to this country, I also hate it when any journalistic story has overblown the facts to try to make a case stronger.
So just to clear the record, Cheney did not create the need for his own special classification "Top secret/SCI"... This classification, without abbreviation, is Top secret/Specially Compartmentalized Information. This is the highest level of clearance anyone can have in America and is the same designation the President has. This has been so for several decades at least.... I won't tell you why or how I know this but let's just say I am 100% sure of what I'm saying. Once you get to the Top Secret level, you basically reach a point where only certain groups of people should see things on a "need-to-know" basis. To group the information, it is placed into virtual "compartments" which can then be assigned to individuals (President or Vice president for instance) or to groups of people (Bin laden experts at the CIA for example).
Anyway, this may be nitpicky but seriously, it weakens an argument when the facts are wrong and we don't need to be helping the other side out...
"Darth Cheney is this country’s nightmare. A nightmare one cannot wake up from. He chills me to the core."
This is where we differ. It's a law of nature: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The CIA calls it blowback. Whatever these monsters do will be done to them. It's the way the world works. They're just too stupid to understand it. That's their middle name: George too-stupid-to-be-president Bush. Dick too-stupid-to-be-vice-president Cheney. Alberto just-plain-retarded Gonzales.
What a better world it would be if this man and his likes were shipped to Alcatraz so they can be haunted by the ghost of Al Capone?
Not that I'm a supporter of Bush or Cheney (I'm not), but at least the facts should be straight from the opposition side:
Top Secret/SCI is not a new classification. Top Secret is obviously a classification given to extremely sensitive information in the US govt. SCI (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information), however, is simply a method of reducing distribution of documentation to a designated group of people who have been "read in."
SCI requires a Single Scope Background Investigation, just as a Top Secret does, however, just because information is SCI coded does not make it as sensitive as Top Secret. But because of the background processes required are similar, those who hold one generally also hold the other.
SCI's use and purpose, then, does not necessarily prevent documents from being classified Secret/SCI or even Confidential/SCI, but it's just unusual. Further, it's pretty safe to say that the majority of Top Secret material is also SCI due to its nature. On matters of real secrecy (like real intel work, rather than political BS like we're dealing with here), the government generally does not like large groups of people who communally have a big picture. For example, the guys who deal with the HUMINT (human intel) may be read into a different compartment than the guys read into SIGINT (signals intel) as it's unnecessary for those two groups to be aware of each other's business. Only a handful of people working at the strategic level of management will be read into both to have the big-picture view and make a decision.
To follow-up on other points.
The man-sized safes in Cheney's office are ubiquitous in the US govt as those are federally mandated requirements for certain documentation. GSA-approved containers for classified material are unwieldy, expensive, and usually quite large. The only way to store Top Secret documentation legally and not be be in a safe (which can simply be the size of a room or a whole buildnig) or SCIF (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility) are to utilize such huge containers. And while I'm sure the White House compound does have such manned-safes and SCIFs, it's impossible for any room with a window to qualify. Thus, Dick Cheney's office would require numerous GSA-approved containers in order to continently store anything.
Labeling the talking points for reporters as Top Secret may seem extreme, but understand that there are encyclopedias of regulations regarding the classification of derivative materials - which his talking points may be considered. If he's only glossing over a classified topic with the media (such as GitMo), he's probably not saying anything classified. However, his internally drawn up talking points may hold further details which are classified, making it a derivative classified document, thus requiring similar classification and storage procedures.
Now, saying information should be treated as TS/SCI and making it TS/SCI are two completely different things. I could make my check book a document treated as TS/SCI if I wanted, since that's not breaking the law (no one says I can't do it!!). But he may be breaking the law by attempting to force classification on documents that would otherwise be required for release under FOIA by law. That is probably why he's trying very hard to prevent these investigations.
So, yes, he is probably breaking the law in some ways, and following it in others. But at least we all should be aware of the difference, and get all riled up over the real things, instead of inane INFOSEC regulations. ;)
All this time I've been reading the qualification as "Treat as" secret...
"Treated as" Secret/SCI. Does that me Cheney pissed on the documents?
In defense the qualification "Treat as" makes some sense. "Treated as"? Well that's just a fnord.
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