Lieberman breaks with reality -- again
By Steve Benen Thursday Aug 23, 2007 7:08amJoe Lieberman's office issued a press release yesterday morning, which Lieberman's office billed as a "response to recent Congressional attacks on the Iraqi government":
"Forced by facts on the ground to acknowledge the progress of the American and Iraqi militaries since the new surge strategy started, some of these opponents of the war are now turning their harshest criticism on our allies in Iraq instead of our enemies. This is a mistake....Political progress in Iraq depends on this kind of steady statecraft and patient diplomacy on the ground in Baghdad, rather than scapegoating and congressionally-ordered coups....
"We have made enormous progress in defending and advancing America's vital national interests in Iraq over the past six months against our two deadliest enemies in the world—-al Qaeda and Iran. Realism requires that we recognize these gains, not dismiss or disparage them--and that we distinguish between our allies in Iraq, and our enemies."
If only ol' Joe had waited a few hours, until after the new NIE was released, he wouldn't look quite so ridiculous.
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And to think that this fool -- but for Pat Buchanan's presidential run and the confusing Florida ballot -- would have been Vice President.
Is it possible to be this stupid and get elected to the Senate. Dumb question.
I am convinced at this point that this guy is either becoming lost in dementia (a sad thing) or that he is the antiChrist. Maybe both.
Joe is ridiculous. I'm in CT and voting for him for Senator (in 2000, when he was also running for VP) was the vote that I most regret in my lifetime. He's truly not representing Connecticut any longer. He's lost his moral compass.
Did the men who make up the Iraqi government ASK the US to bomb their country to shit? Let's not forget that the United States owns this war, and we shouldn't be trying to push the blame for this war off on the victims of our aggression.
I did NOT vote for him in 2006...that was primarily Repugs who pushed him past Lamont.
Well, it looks like ol' Pruneface continues his delusions.
Senility was made legitimate in government by Ronnie Raygun.
LIEberman is the natural progression.
Way to go Connecticut!!!
NOW EVEN LIEBERMAN SUPPORTS TROOP WITHDRAWAL BY ‘08 … 2108!
Ever the opportunists that they are, the Bushistas will probably attempt to use the NIE findings to justify deposing Al-Maliki and installing their hot swappable, plug-and-play puppet government V 3.0. Then they'll say that real progress is being made. Toward what I don't know.
They'll never admit it, will they;
Iraq = http://www.hollywoodstandups.com/images/quagmire.jpg
We are making great progress against our two deadliest enemies, Al Qaida and Iran by fighting in Iraq? Huh???? Al Qaida is regrouping in the border region of Pakistan and Iran is, well, next door to Iraq laughing their collective ass off. Hasn't he noticed how Iran has pushed for increasing influence as a rresult of Sadam's downfall?
I seriously think Lieberman is losing his mental faculties. I used to think he was a power hungry, vindictive little jerk. But now I'm really starting to think he's a donut short of a dozen.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 2:
Why not? It's possible to be stupid and be elected President.
I bet even the republicans won't claim him now. He and McCain both appear at times to be desperate for someones affection, I'm just not sure who they are pandering to. Joe seems to yank thoughts straight from his ass and McCain seems to yank his thoughts straight from bush's ass.
If joe were running for some office now, his campaign manager would become a very heavy drinker.
This whole "War on Terror" is a sham, a smokescreen used to make the most powerful people in the world even more powerful.
The only good thing about Al Gore not becoming President in 2000 is that we did not have to endure Joe Lieberman for Vice President.
This "The surge is working meme" is so transparent. Just part of the new 15 million dollar pro war propoganda that is now being unfurled. Isn't there some mechanism that allows the party to throw this bastard out or at least not allow him to have a D next to his name?
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 2:
Elections? Where?
(Diebold)
He's become so pathetic that I almost feel sorry for him. No, wait--it's us for whom I feel sorry.
Paul @ 10:
Oblivion? The six circle of Hell? I can think of plenty of things that "progress" is being made toward.
Indigowatcher @ 15:
Hillarymart works for these folks
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 2:
Obviously. How about ol' red pickup Fred.
Daisy Zimmerly @ 16:
You'll have to ask AIPAC for permission to dress down king Joe
the headline here is wrong...lieberman breaks with reality again.
that assumes that he has been in touch with reality and many of us know that that has not been the case for a very long time.
tnaks again to all the confused and repube voters in his home state. i hope you are being well served by this bushie.
Well crafted post. Succinct and effective.
separately, my opinion: Lieberman is a horrible person, enthusiastic warmonger, and a sociopath who doesn't feel for a single wounded soldier or dead soldier's family. Al Gore should be ashamed of himself for picking this piece of garbage in 2000. As another poster once said, the silver lining in the disastrous results of the 2000 election is that Lieberman didn't become vice president.
Paul @ 3:
Yep.
Joe Lieberman needs a memo sent to him about the reality of the situation. That Iraqi Government, from what I hear has no Sunnis involved in it. They walked out. How about that for a dose of realism Mr. Lieberman.
Yeah, Okay Joe, Let us all sit on our hands and wait for Gen Patraeus (White House) progress report. However, realistically, as a tax payer I want to know what will be occuring in Iraq 3-6-9 months 1-2 years after the surge. I want to hear the words draw down used as
a verb rather than a metaphor. Real progress can only be measured by our departure from Iraq.
As far as Congressional coup, why is it bad to call for Maliki to resign, and okay for the White House to preasure the Iraq Government into signing away their oil rights to private oil companies? Do you agree that it should be their choice?
Just a little bookkeeping on Joe's part -- he's zeroing out his credibility account.
I'm just so completely sick of this whole mess. Everyone trying to spin the truth for their own cause which is of course politically based. How about we look at Iraq for what it really is. It's the result of a crime committed on that country by our own country. We tore the place to shreds and no one knows how to put it together again. We can't do it because we are the very cause of the conditions we see there today. I think the Iraqis probably have a better idea of what they want and how they want to live than we do. Why not give them a chance and get the hell out of their way.
Bill O'Lielee @ 22:
I didn't used to believe that, but now I'm close to agreeing.
I notice the propogandists are back to the tired old "cut and run" line, repeated over, and over, and over ,ad naseum.
In the words of Bush, "You gotta kinda launch the propoganda out there".
Please, somebody break out the anti-bullshit spray.
whew! for a second there I thought he would not mention Iran!
Paul @ 3:
I'll settle for him being described as a republican/booshite.
More Iraqis Said to Flee Since Troop Rise
By JAMES GLANZ and STEPHEN FARRELL
As Iraqis flee their homes, the partition of the country into sectarian enclaves is accelerating.
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I know joemental won't read this, but...
remember President Diem in Vietnam and Prince Sihinouk in Cambodia?
a scenario is unfolding in Iraq...amidst rumors of a coup brewing 'somewhere'...
1. Bush says he supports the Maliki government, BUT says it must change or the Iraqi people will force change. Maliki and Assembly oppose the oil bill Bush wants, which would take oil profits out of Iraq and give majority of profits to US companies.
2. the Bush administration quietly supports and encourages a military coup (impossible without US support, since we say they are incapable of fighting now - that's why they need us....umm, who will actually lead the coup, then?)
3. coup happens, Maliki killed and Assembly replaced by a military council. Bush says that the coup was the will of the people.
4. Bush says that with a military government in place, and elections delayed, this is one more reason we need to "stay the course" and remain in Iraq.
5. Bush accuses Iran of supporting those who resist the coup.
6. Bush welcomes the new military strongman to Washington and hails progress in Iraq. the New Saddam
pissed off patricia @ 29:
I spoke to a friend yesterday and found out that her son, who joined the army because there are no jobs, has three purple hearts, a bullet AND shrapnel in his leg along with post-traumatic stress. Currently, the army has him scheduled to see a doctor to determine if he's fit for duty. He's done four tours already. I can't express my outrage in a civil tone anymore. It's too hard to contain. It may not be personal to some here, but it's personal to me. This madness has to stop.
America’s vital national interests in Iraq over the past six months against our two deadliest enemies in the world—-al Qaeda and Iran.
No Iranian has ever called me traitor or unpatriotic because I opposed the war. America's worst enemy is itself.
Please, somebody, ANYbody, please tell me why we keep having to read all these great things about Mr. Obama when he was the most outspoken SUPPORTER of Mr. Lieberman during the primary against Mr. Lamont? He has never been called on that by the progressive bloggers who just keep posting wonderful things about him, somehow forgetting how he was at least partially responsible for Lieberman retaining his senate seat by rallying his base and giving Joe the support he needed to run as an "independent". Only after losing the primary and being scared by the ramifications of supporting a loser did Obama lightly endorse Lamont in the general election. This is the same tactic he used in his vote on the Iraq supplemental--he waited to be sure it was going to pass before he cast his safe NO vote. How in the world can we trust someone who behaves this way? If you like Joe Lieberman, you'll love Barack Obama. Neither are to be trusted
Perhaps Mr. Lieberman will become John McCain's vice presidential running mate. They deserve each other.
There is only one "REAL ENEMY": George W. Bush, and company.
They are still almost NEVER held accountable for starting this mess... and whenever someone sort of asks them, they always say, "we're not looking back, we're looking forward..."
Lying assholes. Unbelievable that Bush wasn't impeached, and there's no real movement to do it. He's luckier than Lindsey Lohan.
Jimmy D. @ 37:
He just won't let Hillary make a bigger ass of herself than he can of himself. He has threatened to nuke Iran, attack Pakistan and he has two advisors from the Lieberman camp.
Joe Leiberman, Senior Senator from the State of Israel
Joe Warmonger-berman.
Joe Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out-berman.
Joe One more Friedman Unit-berman.
Joe Glad My Kids Aren't Dying-berman.
Joe Douchebaggerman.
-GSD
LIEberman is an asshole, but do any of you REALLY think that if Gore had not been replaced by SCOTUS in 2000 LIEberman would be worse than Evil Dick?
BaScOmBe, even considering sending that boy back over there is yet another sin and crime. I think you and I are about at the same mental point right now. So damned frustrated with all the noise we hear and seeing no positive action. I don't know when or how this is going to end but in my opinion it's already much too late.
Dr. Acula, perhaps if gore had won that election joe wouldn't have been as insanely desperate as he is now. No way in hell he could have become as evil as cheney, he isn't that smart.
Vietnam avoiders Marshall Witmann and his boss Holy Joe don't care how many people die. They judge everything if its "butch" or not
"We are making enormous progress" - ROTFLMAO
Lieberman does not represent CT. He represents Tel Aviv.
He and William the Bloody are reading from the same script. Kristol said much the same thing on the Today Show when Lauer asked for evidence the surge is working. Of course, lauer never scratched his head and said, "Because you say we're making progress, that's evidence the surge is working?"
Then again, Matt may have been focused on the HUGE Nicole Richie/Lindsey Lohan story.
Lieberman will remain in the good graces of the Republican Party so long as he hates and bashes Democrats.
There are only two criteria for being a Republican now. Love of wars and hatred of liberals.
If you love killing people and hate people who want freedom, then you're a Republican.
pissed off patricia @ 44:
and he's only 24.
joe in oklahoma @ 34:
...and in 25-30 years, our embassy in Iraq will be invaded and everyone will be taken hostage. Our elected representatives learn nothing and run foreign policy "like a business" -- only looking for a "win" at the end of the next quarter..."long term" foreign policy? Forgettaboutit!
straight shooter @ 47:
It would be nice to see a competent CNN Reality Check on Iran. A-holes like Holy Joe get away with constantly exaggerating the threat the Persians pose. And those exaggerations fuel Israel-tilted Mideast policy that pushes Muslims further from the US.
GoodGod @ 51:
Rather "We have wasted enormous resources"
America's deadliest enemy is itself.
Well, to the hawks defense, they have made some security progress in some areas. But as Bill Maher said, what good is it if the politicians arent taking advantage of it? Probably not much but we will see.. bush will stick to his "plan" until the 11th hour+some.
Droopy is.....delusional, along McCain lines.....really-a psychiatrist needs to see to this dude and McCain. At some point they broke with reality and they're suffering bad from some form of political Stockholm Syndrome. Actually, I think I know when McCain broke. Right after the SC primary in 2000 it seems he lost his nerve. I had some respect for the man before then. Lieberman.....I dunno....some day he must have been sitting at his desk when he did the political calculus and realized he had clearer access to power via the Repubs. Both of them sick in the head............and if you want an sense of why Gore ran such a tepid campaign back in '00, having Droopy on the ticket is one indicator.
Absolutely, Joe! For instance, Jawad al-Maliki is our friend. Muqtada al-Sadr, who helped put Maliki in office and whose party holds the largest bloc of votes in the Iraqi Parliment, is our enemy.
Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia is our enemy. Sunni militias, which receive support both from Al Qaeda and the U.S. Military, are our friends. See how easy?
Joe will always look ridiculous. Its part of his genetic makeup
Indigowatcher @ 5:
I agree with that statement. We caused this war, unjustly. It pisses me off to no end when I hear Dems trying to blame the Iraqi's. Politicians hate taking or correctly attributing responsibility. Imagine how this war would feel if you were an Iraqi. You're getting by in conditions that are admitedly shitty for one of the worlds most oil-rich nations. Suddenly, bombs. All your infrastructure: power, water, food, police, fire, and medical services are gone. Then the occupation forces come rolling in; representing the incarnation of your destroyed way of life coupled with your hope for some kind of normalcy. Of course, the force turns out to be far too small to concievably provide stability, and now criminal gangs and militias threaten your life on a daily basis. Still, you go out and vote for a government, hoping that maybe your life will turn a corner. Time goes on, and it becomes more and more clear that the purpose of the occupying force is to establish a long-term presence in your country...
Oh, who the hell am I kidding. After all the ignorant, greed-driven crap we did to them I don't think they're capable of feeling any more resentment at this point. However, resentment aside, we know and they know that conditions are going to get worse there before they get better. We also both know that things aren't going to get sorted out until we leave. We need to start an orderly withdrawl from the country, starting with the replacement of civilian contractors, followed by the phased withdrawl of troops over several months. Obviously, we will need to keep some forces deployed in the region for intel and counterterrorist operations, but we're going to have to let our "ally" Saudi Arabia, and our "enemy" Iran take over containment and resolution of the ensuing civil war.
Iraq is a pressure cooker. The U.S. is the lid and the flame. Taking off the lid is going to burn people, but the pressure will just keep building if we don't turn off the heat.
TC @ 56:
Agreed. Bush and Rove slandered his family and he stood by and did nothing, and now he kisses Dubya's ass every chance he gets.
I've tried getting a statement of some kind since yesterday from good ol' Joe's people and have had no luck. I also asked them if Joe had anything to say in light of General Pace's comments regarding a 50% troop reduction....of course nothing.
Joe, shut up an take your Aricept!
Lets not leave H.Clinton out of LIE-berman circle of sock-puppets. H.clinton is LIE-bermans biggest supporter and no one has called her on it. LIE-berman is AIPAC ACE here in the U.S.A. LIE-berman will have us in a WAR with IRAN with in SIX months, he and the BUSH CRIME FAMILY and H. CLINTON will do the CHEARING. So far the rest of the people are running have not GOTTEN TO CLOSE TO LIE-berman Obama did before so I would like to KNOW whre he stands now.We need some one with GUTS like MAXCINE WALTERS and RUSS FEINGOLD.If LIE-berman starts a war with Iran lets make sure that LIE-bermans SON PUTS A U.S.A uniform on and is on the front lines as of now.
Do the papers in Connecticut just let Holy Joe get away with this tripe?
They must be lazier, dumber and more corrupt than the national corporate media.
And that's saying alot.
"some of these opponents of the war are now turning their harshest criticism on our allies in Iraq instead of our enemies."-Senator Lieberman
With that, the senator made a pious scowl to the east.A scowl saved in his freezer, leftover from the Clinton impeachment, and aimed it at Iraq. He then said "Islamofascists are more dangerous than the Soviets, and the Nazi's, we must defeat them."
Over in Iraq, hundreds of "Islamofascists" burst into flames.
Harshest criticism smells like.....like victory.
The title implies that Kissyface Loserman has returned to reality at some point. What is your factual basis for that?
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That's our Holy Joe for you - putz par excellence.
It's got to be embarrassing to have your assessment so thoroughly debunked by an official report that's released right after your assessment. Or it would be embarrassing if Holy Joe knew what people think of his moronic analyses.
If only ol’ Joe had waited a few hours, until after the new NIE was released, he wouldn’t look quite so ridiculous
Oh yes he would. Joe just needs to STFU
Apparently Joe isn't gettin' any of that lobbying money that Allawi is spreading around to discredit al-Maliki.
This traitor needs a good stint in prison.
I can say I agree with this part of Lieberman's comment: "Political progress in Iraq depends on this kind of steady statecraft and patient diplomacy." But it applies to the WHOLE REGION. Patient diplomacy required throughout the Middle East, and a US exit from there too.
joe in oklahoma@ 34
":remember President Diem in Vietnam and Prince Sihinouk in Cambodia?.....
6. Bush welcomes the new military strongman to Washington and hails progress in Iraq. the New Saddam"
joe,
How did you get a copy of Bush's Playbook?
jimmy d @ 37,
Agreed. Won't vote for any of the "top 3", they are all corporatist whores and/or enablers of fascism. If Hillary, edwards or Obamma are on any of the tickets for either slot, I will either not be voting or will vote independent. Agree that if You like Leiberman, you'll love Obamma.
was it harry reid on the radio yesterday air america who referred to elmer fudd lieberman as his “friend”. he was being sincere and i nearly choked. if reid and lieberman are friends, that again illustrates why the dems are in trouble again. they don’t know their friends from an a..hole in the wall.
PLEASE DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO WHAT EVER DROOPY SAYS,
WOWZY WOWZY WOOO WOOO...
HE IS A WORTHLESS TURNCOAT WHO SOLD HIS SOUL AND WILL NEVER FIND IT AGAIN!
NOT UNLIKE THE MAJORITY (ON BOTH SIDES)THAT NEED TO BE WEEDED OUT!
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU VOTE!
BRING THE CONSTITUTION BACK!!!
Carmikl @ 13:
Exactly right ... dead on.
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