Sunday Talking Head Thread
By Christy Hardin Smith Saturday Aug 25, 2007 7:16am
(Photo of a tall iced mocha via Cria-cow.)
The Sunday talking head line-up is ready for the reading this morning. It's a mixed line-up, a few interesting possibilities and a whole lot of hot air and excuses otherwise. What's catching your eye this morning on the blogs or in the news?
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Because Washington Journal on C-span was talking about what is going on in NOLA with the rebuilding, or lack of, after Katrina, I'm thinking about the people who used to live there and wondering how they are today. Have they relocated and they're okay or are they still wondering if they can ever go home again? Those people are in my thoughts, especially today.
Anyone think that Jim Webb will back up Bush's version of the history of the Vietnam War? You probably get a different perspective when you're not hiding out in Alabama.
Also on Washington Journal the host read an article from one of the newspapers that said it is rumored in DC that Gonzo will step down and be replaced by Chertoff. They didn't say who might replace Chertoff
I prefer to think of the image as a bloody mary - we all need one with this bunch in power.
(thank you...thank you very much).
On meet the press, the round-table discussion, after warner is interviewed, should be really good.
I'll drink to that, Tug. :)
How is it possible that this band of criniomals will leave office after putting our country in such a shit hole?
How is ti possible that it seems that the architects of this debacle (Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield, Gonzo, etc) are not going to pay after their ultimate demonstration of real treason to our country?
Basically the only news discussion I do anymore is Diane Rehm's Friday news roundup on NPR and her daily news discussion...
As far as what is catching my eye..that all have been had again by this administration..(congress etc) Bush had no intention of even considering bringing troops home after September. Lee Hamilton is even saying through to Spring and possibly next fall.
What do we, the majority do next? Voting people out...doesn't work.
Are we as a nation going to tolerate the administration that wrecked our country and part of the world for generations to come to scape scade free?
pissed off patricia @ 3:
I like the way your comment reads as a joke,
"they're not sure who will replace Chertoff, after he f-ucks up the job of attorney general."
Musical chairs, not government.
why no1 is saying anything about this
http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=79707
Cuts $527 million from Health and Human Services budget
stupid Schwarzenegger does this while retaining $45 million in tax breaks for owners of yachts, private planes and recreational vehicles.
I wish he had more brain cells than muscle (steroid pumped)
....
The Idiot in chief" has no intention to bring the troops home, "the village idiot" has never admited error in his life, he is smashing our contry into the ground before admitting mistakes (in any issue, Katrina, Valerie Plame outing, Gucker "male prostitute" in press room, Abrahmoff scandal, social security debacle, crumbling infrastructure, banckrupting out treasury..etc).
He is a "brain dead" borne again christion, half recovered alcoholic and cocane maniac! what do you expect ?
The only right thing to be done is to sack him before it causes more damage to our country, and he can!
warner tool fool asshole who licks the president
Boy, I am messing up the spelling this morning!
sorry all.
Remember, republicans will not take on the president unless it is helpful for their reelection!
Republicans will take down Bushc themselves, if we tie the PResident and his policies to their necks and remind the voters, who supported and never questined the President for 7 years!
McConnell on FNS repeated three times that what strikes him most (aboutthe "Surge" debate) is that "key Democrats that said the Surge would be a catastrophic failure are now saying it's showing signs of progress."
First, NO Democrat ever claimed "the surge" itself would be "a failure"... I challenge him to produce even one quote. What they DID say was that the surge would fail without political progress to go along with it... which is exactly what we are seeing.
meet the press is bullshit
"China is making decisions today that will affect its energy use for the next 30 or 40 years. Unfortunately, in some parts of the government the thinking is much more shortsighted."
- NOUREDDINE BERRAH, an energy expert at the World Bank.
the blind rush for money is poisoning us all. - BB
Pennship17 @ 14:
republicans will not do anything to bushco or against bushco. the opposition has always been only verbal, short-lived and often retracted or 'cleared up' after a meeting or phone call from the WH.
The straw man arguments run rampant on these stupid shows
Is MTP ever anything less than consistent BS?
I find myself watching FNS again because it's more humorous than the Half Hour news Hour.
Here's a great op/ed. Monkey Boy resembles Chamberlain (appeaser of Hitler) much more than Churchill. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2154339,00.html
That round-table discussion was more than depressing. Ricks, who wrote one of the best books written about this war, Fiasco, said there is no good solution at this point so we have to determine the least worst solution. They all agreed troops will start being brought home in April and then each month after that. But none of the people on the panel seemed to think anything good or even kinda good can be expected in Iraq. Richard Engle (sp?) said Maliki's government is going to fall and after it does, there will be a succession of governments for a while.
Warner tried to talk tough while at the same time kissing bush's ass. No small feat.
Actually, what I meant in comment 3 was they didn't say who would take the position Chertoff has now. But I like the other interpretation better. :lol:
Pennship17 @ 6:
I think it's the one-party rule that's in effect and we still pretend there is political opposition within government. the financial cost of the entry fee to government 'service' means that the citizen has no vote on who gets in. the citizen gets to choose from among those chosen for him. What's howard dean up to these days?
Wallace just gave a NASTY response to Bill Moyers criticizing them for accepting everything Rove tells them.
pissed off patricia @ 22:
P-O-P,
I so admire your intestinal fortitude. I haven't had my breakfast yet and so I can't watch the parade of wretched liars and bloviators.
Mugsy @ 24:
Was Moyers there in person?
pissed off patricia @ 1:
A large chunk of those fortunate enough to leave didn't even bother trying to go back, and wound up finding jobs and homes elsewhere, mostly in the closest metropolises such as Dallas, Houston, Memphis and Atlanta.
Tug @ 4:
Ah yes... the good ol' "hair of the dog"
Pennship17 @ 13:
No problemo! Those of us who have left-brians have alreddy compnsated.
BaScOmBe @ 26:
No. Of course not. Wallace was responding to a letter Moyers sent them.
Bill had comments on Rove's admission of being an agnostic at the end of his program. Last week, when FNS had Rove on, they asked him/Rove about it. Rove claimed he was a "practicing Episcopalian that attended church regularly". Moyers responded in his letter that he was quoting FOUR sources, and criticized Wallace "for accepting everything Rove says as gospel."
Wallace gave an indignant response that Moyers "failed journalism 101" by not talking to the source first. Waalace's reply was full of thinly veiled venom and condescension.
maxbaer (a replica only) @ 2:
that's why the highly irrational cornholio, bush-appendage will be on the same show as Webb - to dilute the argument through specious rhetoric and obfuscation and beligerent over-talking.
Mugsy @ 30:
kinda what I expected. pitiful.
I was watching Meet the Press this morning with Sen. John Warner (R-Va). I was kinda zoning in and out of the conversation because I still had not drank my espresso. But I did catch Warner say that he once rode with the Prez in Arlington National Cemetery during a Memorial Day ceremony. He actually said that they drove through, "all of those crosses."
Every once in a while when politicians want to evoke patriotism, compassion, and reverence for veterans that have passed on they will mention Arlington. But the problem is that sometimes they have a false image in their head of what they would see. They talk about the cross shaped headstones of Arlington...the problem is there are none. You may remember in Saving Private Ryan the veteran that visited a cemetery filled with cross shaped headstones. That is Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial...in France. There is also Flanders Field in Belgium that has cross shaped headstones. The headstones in Arlington are shaped like rectangles with a domed top like this. The head stones come with Emblems of Belief.
If my memory serves me right Dick Cheney did the same thing years ago. I think Al Franken wrote about it in Lies and the Lying Liars that Tell Them.
It makes me wonder two things:
Did they even bother to look out the window at our nation's honorable dead? Or are they so full of cognative dissonance their minds wouldn't admit the truth of what they saw?
Point of interest: I was very surprised at the selection of emblems available for the VA headstones. Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Unitarian...lots of beliefs represented.
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BaScOmBe @ 32:
If someone needs a recording, let me know asap. There is only so far I can backup and record video once it has played.
Bascombe, when it comes to watching political train wrecks, to borrow a phrase from Hillarey, "I'm your girl" :)
Sorry Ms Clinton, that should have read "Hillary". Please let Bill know it was just a typo.
Oh what a great Sunday morning,
Homemade Cappuccino, bong hits, and meaningless drivel dripping from the teli.
this just in from the news whores at the crawford ranch , instead of useing a bolo to clear brush ,bush has hired out the job to three ileagle mexicans with bush hogs , this will give him more time to suck karl roves love machine and destroy the rest of the country!
il-eagles?
That's awesome!
Curtilingus @ 41:
you want good spelling try americanblog they got the real goods
Everyone seems to be talking about the General Pretraeus report on Iraq. I can't believe anyone is actually taking that report seriously especially since it is being written by the White House. Everyone already knows what it will say. The only thing missing is Pretraeus wearing a plaid, red and green suit with a yellow tie. In other words, he is just like a used car salesman trying to sell a lemon to someone.
I'm not baggin on you tyree. You invented a word, and a concept to go with it.
Curtilingus @ 44:
one can only hope
Is Slate a trusted site or are they FOS?
I don't watch tv very much and never the talking head shows. If I want news I go to the internets, heh.
I am sitting here wondering about the suffering people in the occupied Iraq. I saved a picture that says it all, a father holding his dead daughter in his arms. And I am so ashamed that our country, under this murderous administration, caused her death. Who could blame this father if he used a weapon against the occupiers? Who amongst us wouldn't do the same thing? But this murderous administration would call him a terrorist.
As I understand it when Congress said they wanted a report in Sept. from the general, they said that the report would come from bush. I'm certainly not excusing this bs, that's just the way I heard it explained. I imagine there will be some congress creatures who will have questions for the general also.
pissed off patricia @ 37:
perfect metaphor! I hear loud screeching and crunching metal whenever I try to watch these buffoons. However, I can only pay you in compliments for your service, which I do with pleasure.
Yea back to Iraq. Does it make sense to discuss any details or measure progress when there is such serious discussion of a war with Iran? The troops are staying because we are about to invade the country next door.
It has nothing to do with progress in Iraq.
ever wonder who made up the way you spell things ,? its a mystery to me, if it sounds right it must be so!
Curtilingus @ 50:
That's what I believe, as well.
SoSickOfIt @ 52:
If we invade the troops will be crushed. Iran has a huge standing army.
That's why I'm afraid it will be with tactical nukes in hopes of an instant WW II -like capitulation.
Our troop numbers don't match the rhetoric coming from Cheney, our true president. So either it is a hollow threat or they have some really big ideas up their sleeves.
Richard Engle (sp?) said this morning that some of the troops are trying to help Iraqi people and families in the areas where they are stationed. They feel they are helping a family or an old lady, etc. If they are brought home they will feel that their help was for nothing and they'll be angry.
I don't know how many of them feel that way, but the easiest way to find out is to tell the troops, anyone who wants to come home may and the rest can stay and try to help individual Iraqis. We would see then how they feel.
You need to smash your TV's into pieces, bag the debris, and set it on the curb for Monday morning trash pickup.
A proven solution for your mental pollution.
pissed off patricia @ 48:
I have a different memory of that. Bush and the Repugs promised a report from BetrayUS on the 'surge'. the outrage about the report being written by the WH has merit. career clerk BetrayUS is just another FOB, taking the ride until his stomach turns. the WH and the repug shills keep claiming that the 'generals-on-the-ground' make the decisions. then they took the report out of the general's hands. that's a big conflict which, of course will be explained.
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
I agree!
the Edwards' are on now with Schieffer(CBS) and this is worth a view and a listen.
Jo @ 53:
I'm not the one that needs convincing of what you're saying.
My point is that, the 'plan' might be "as long as the troops already there..."
Not my plan, that's for sure!
http://www.freedomswatch.org/
Freedom Watch has peppered every Sunday morning show with it's own 30 second spot with amputee veterans begging people not to let them have sacrificed their limbs in vain. They're begging to not let the terrorists attack the U.S. by continuing the war in Iraq. And all the Republican/Conservative talking heads are more or less following the same EXACT talking points as what appears in the 30 second spots. It's EERIE. Senator John Cornyn on This Week is saying exactly the same thing as what I hear/see when they go to commercial. It's a perfect machiavellian propaganda surge.
SoSickOfIt @ 46:
Isn't that for you to decide?
Curtilingus @ 50:
give that man (or woman) a cigar!
if we do attack iran it will not be with ground troops,the us navy is standing off iran just itching to get their licks in, the carriers will spread death from above and help the war profiteers further by expending more of their inventory of bombs rockets and bullets , it wont matter to them if they are involved in criminality , great admirals and ships captains are made from killing anything that moves , and surely the navy deserves their day in this thuggery!
BaScOmBe @ 59:
Just listening to Mrs. Edwards, I know that I cannot vote for clinton.
moonsha @ 62:
I ask because twice I've posted a link to an article I read there this morning but those posts did not show up. Also posted asking was that deleted (meaning that it was a 'kook' site and shouldn't be linked to) or did I not do something correctly when posting a link. If I knew if it was a trusted site I wouldn't have asked those more blog-savvy than I. ;)
In the book "Fiasco", General Petraeus is portrayed as a good general and he is also very good at working with the Iraqi people and gaining their trust and respect. If he wasn't under the thumb of this lying cheating stealing administration, I would trust his report.
After listening to that round table discussion this morning on MTP by non politicos, it's interesting to hear what Senators have to say about the surge and the future of Iraq. Two such differing stories. The Senators are saying the Maliki government will pull together and the authors and reporters said something totally different. Richard Engle has been in Iraq since day one and the authors have been there too. Not just a flyby with a pit stop in the Green Zone. They actually get involved with what is going on in the country.
SoSickOfIt @ 52:
This is obvious. How soon will it happen? Do we have enough fodder there yet?
SoSickOfIt @ 66:
Try cutting and pasting the link instead of using the link button.
On ABC this morning:
Terry Moran (guest host) sucked. Absolutely. But it was good for progressives anyway, because he did such a bad job delivering Republican talking points.
Jim Webb kicked butt. He makes everyone in the room with him look stupid. Cornyn sounded tired, like he was phoning it in, as he delivered the usual ho hum talking points.
Even though the "left wing" of the roundable was Zacharia, a conservative, they all sounded like it didn't matter how many "battles" were won in the surge, it didn't do what it was supposed to do so what was the point. They all laughed at the Bush Vietnam analogy.
Show wrapped up with the pentagon reporting 53 soldiers' deaths in Iraq in the last two weeks.
af @ 70:
Please elaborate on Webb, if possible.
SoSickOfIt @ 66:
I see. If anything you post is ever deleted or modified, you will know because you will see that it has been edited by the sitemonitors. Have you figured out the posting of a link yet?
Curtilingus @ 69:
Thank you!
Tried, but my link didn't work/post didn't show up, so I'm just going to post the info:
I read in Slate this morning an article by Bruce Fein posted there on Aug 21, 2007 that Pelosi "threatened the removal of Rep. John Conyers from his chairmanship of the House Judiciary Committee if impeachment inquiry was even opened, according to reliable congressional chatter". I wanted to know if anyone else had heard this back when she said impeachment was off the table, or if the 'threat' was only news to me.
Don't waste your time today with these phony shows with all of their "faux gravitas." It is empty rhetoric and I am sick to death of it.
I had GMA on and then it went to This Week--the minute Cornyn started with his Rovian rap, I said, that's it and shut it off. Cornyn never lets the facts stand in his way but I was glad to see Webb take him on .
You have to have the patience of Christ to watch these shows, and I, do not.
Notice nothings changed in 6 and a half years, but it's getting worse?
So much for the bobble heads.
I don't think tyhis is what Jesus would watch.
Especially on a Sunday when he's out playing with Joseph, Mary, and his Dad.
how come noone mentions The Mcgluaghlin Group in the sunday bobble head series?
What would jesus and his family play? Spin the Sinner?
It wouldn't be spin the bottle cause their already naked.
Maybe truth or dare?
BaScOmBe @ 71 Says: af @ 70:
How did Jim Webb kick butt? He said he had always thought Vietnam was worthwhile, but Vietnam was nothing like Iraq. In Vietnam, he says, we had a good idea, but bad military strategy and tactics. In Iraq, it's the opposite--good military strategy and tactics, but the idea of fighting global terrorism by invading Iraq made no sense.
When they showed that god-awful new ad by Ari Fleischer and other toadies, Webb drew on his own military experience to say that you could find all opinions in the military and what military men had in common was not politics but that they wanted to do their best and serve their country and keep their comrades safe.
When the "moderator" said erroneously that fewer Iraqis were dying because of the surge, Webb interrupted and pointed out that simply wasn't true.
In short, I don't agree with everything Webb said, especially about Vietnam. But because he's such a powerful intellect and so articulate and he doesn't spout talking points but can always say something different, interesting, and thought-provoking, he always "kicks butt."
Maybe I'm just not thinking clearly, but for the life of me I cannot conceive how the Dems' 'plan to end the war' when Congress resumes. I just don't get it. :(
Any clues? Anyone?
When the Dems get back they will discuss and agree with the republican plan to invade Iran.
Thus, Iraq withdrawal is a non-sequitor.
Micheal Ware is the only reporter who has any credibility.....
Did anyone else see Bill Krystol call John Edwards a wimp this morning...I don't know how pansy boy could say that with a straight face...come to think of it, he can't say anything with a straight face.
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/washingtonstate/index.ssf?/base/news...
Drugs and Terror go hand in hand.
mudshark @ 84:
Holy crap, mudshark, Jim Webb just used the Lebanon analagy. Ware said Iraq was becoming another Lebanon a few days ago. PS There's been a weird whisper campaign to discredit Ware. Some weird guy has been posting the same diary all over liberal web sites like Kos and C&L saying Ware was becoming a Bush mouth piece. Um, Bush likens Iraq to VietNam, Ware uses Lebanon.
Strawberry....Iraq will turn into Lebanon soon...theres no doubt in my mind.And will remain like Lebanon for the distant future.Ware is there and in deep...I find him credible.We may not like some of the things he says....but he does come across as unbiased to me.As for Webb....I think we need to watch him closely.....he could go either way..It doesn't matter if we pull out of Iraq now TODAY or in the near future...the place is going to fall into kaos...just like Lebanon..and look how long that country has had no peace.
Just saw Chris Wallace on FAUX play 'gotcha' by stating that Rove told him he reads prayer devotionals daily and that the largest contribution he ever gave was to his church. He then taunted Mr. Moyers by saying that he should do some real reporting by asking the person next time.
I guess all that religionism keeps Karl Rove from ever lying about things. As an atheist myself, I'd like to think Rove is nowhere near our camp but whatever his beliefs, it is clear he is adept at manipulating the faithful, usually by saying their freedom of religion is being threatened. That's a pretty big lie right there even for Turd Blossom.
You can tell when Rove is lying. His lips move. - Max Cleland (this isn't an exact quote because I didn't have a VCR going)
But Blitzer gulped, probably waiting for the lightning bolt from on high (the RNC).
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Glenn Greenwald did a good job defending his book "A Tragic Legacy" at the Cato Institute this weekend. C-SPAN2 broadcast the debate between Greenwald and Cato's pro-Bush professor, Lee Casey. I didn't see it on C-SPAN's site, but Cato apparently has it archived (I haven't watched it, so I can't tell you if it's complete or not):
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/08/09/a-tragic-legacy/
There's the usual attempts by Casey and some of the other Cato cronies to draw the discussion off into straw man arguments, like pretending that Greenwald attacked Bush for being religious, but Greenwald takes care of those pretty easily. There are a few good questions from the audience as well.
If anyone finds a link to the C-SPAN2 archive, please post that.
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