The White House has an email problem
We learned earlier this year that most of the Bush White House’s senior staff, in blatant violation of the Presidential Records Act, sidestepped an internal email system, preferring to use private accounts provided by the Republican National Committee. Those thousands of emails, which included government business, are still missing after having been “accidentally” deleted.
As it turns out, that’s only one of two serious problems the Bush gang has in maintaining their electronic records. In an entirely different set of missing emails, however, we’re seeing quite a bit of movement this week. Dan Froomkin explains:
Why is it taking White House officials so long to restore millions of deleted e-mails from the backup tapes they claim to have?
The e-mails in question date from March 2003 to October 2005 — a crucial period that includes the Iraq invasion, a presidential election and Hurricane Katrina.
White House officials have known for more than two years that the messages were deleted — a clear violation of presidential records-preservation statutes. But the president’s aides won’t explain what happened, what sort of backups they have and what they’re doing about it.
When Congress asked about the 5 million missing emails, a White House lawyer suggested an outside IT contractor was responsible. The response appeared almost humorous, given that no such IT contractor exists.
Yesterday, in response to a lawsuit filed by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a federal judge disappointed the Bush gang terribly with a major court order.
IMPEACH
Which they will promptly ignore like the thousands of subpoenas issued by Congress.
Oh, I'm sure they have the tapes and will retain them.
Unfortunately, they are likely degaussing them as we speak.
What makes anyone think the most secretive, criminally collusive administration in history will comply with ANY order, much less one issued by a "liberal" judge.
These power mongers are going to have to be extracted from the Whitehouse with RPGs.
Why does this country have to put up with this? If the law says to keep and or produce something and they don't, drag there asses in and demand why and if we get bull shit, then let them face the legal system like the man on the street would have to.
Impeach and imprison!
"Shooter" Cheney is out back o' th' Whitey House a-blasting them thar tapes t' kingdom come.
But of course, they make more challenging targets than those caged birds he usually likes to "hunt".
must be the same IT contractor that rigged it so they were receiving copies of all the Dems emails until the got caught. These asswipes should all be arrested.
WH only has "an email problem" if the Congress attempts to do something about it; or the Congress refuses to block prosecutors; or the Courts attempt to impose real consequences. This US government despite the "problems related to war crimes and impeachable offenses" has done nothing. Suggesting that "a few missing emails" (understating the problem, yes) will cause some concern defies reason: This Congress is allegedly complicit with war crimes and refuses to face Geneva violations. To them, "missing emails" is quaint.
Time for the public to openly discuss finding a new Speaker that will impose real consequences through impeachment. Remove Pelosi as Speaker; and let's permit the GOP-DNC majority -- that supported Kucinich on the Cheney impeachment bill -- to vote for a new speaker.
How long does it take to rewrite 2+ years of emails?
I bet they are long gone, along with accountability!
It is not possible to "preserve" what has been destroyed. Time to send in the FBI White Collar Crime experts, Certified Fraud Examiners, and some computer forensics experts to find the emails; even going into the other corporations which received these emails to recover them.
vince @ 9:
These aren't just US government emails; they are the emails lawyers sent to contractors, outside counsel, and non-US government personnel. There are many people who want this evidence destroyed.
I heard Mark Levin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Levin Lieing to his 1/2 witted listeners about how Bush doesn't have to keep his E-mails.
Why is it taking White House officials so long to restore millions of deleted e-mails from the backup tapes they claim to have?
because those e-mails have the evidence need to convert Bush and Cheney! That's why!
D'oh! convert should have been convict in the last post
These emails are Bush's version of the Nixon tapes. Had Nixon simply destroyed the tapes when they were made public, his presidency may have survived.
With regards to Bush, lesson learned and mission accomplished.
This US government is a cess pool of incompetents; and should be lawfully replaced with a new system of oversight, power sharing, and leadership.
Blue Buddha @ 2:
When the rule of law -- as is now -- breaks down, time to discuss methods to better oversee the US government. Curiously, FISA was one of the post-Watergate "reforms", which was ignored. This government shows it will defy the reforms. Time to openly discuss rebalancing power, revoking power; and doing something that will ensure these abuses are not repeated.
It's absurd for the US government officials in the intelligence community to say, "Trust us with the data we collect about you" when this government will destroy the data it does obtain that might show criminal activity; but uses illegally captured information to engage in subsequent abuses. No, this US government has defied reasonable expectations for support or confidence.
Time to openly discuss real solutions -- outside the simple "change the law"-approach -- to include a transformation of how this system is organized, managed, and power is divided. This US government has abused the rights of American civilians; has waged illegal warfare; and has refused to respond to the public. This US government is illegitimate. Please encourage your friends to openly discuss a new system of governance that will prevent this abuse of power from recurring.
they're still busy inserting (expletive deleted) throughout the emails
Bush would use a signing statement to write off his own impeachment.
But I don't understand... Bush is the president, right...? So he can do whatever he wants, right...?
Right?
Mitch @ 15:
Great observation.
Guys, this is getting really boring - no wonder I hardly throw a glimpse once in a while at your site - I mean the world is moving on and has its problems to solve - and the US of A are stuck with the problems third countries have...
I would like to laugh like I used to with the rest of the world at your joke of a president and goverment, but it´s not even funny any more - it´s just BORING!!!
This cabal's criminality is breathtaking.
Yet with enablers such Redi, Schumer, Pelosi and DiFi, they'll never be held accountable.
It's both tragedy and farce, with an emphasis on the former.
We don't need no stinking rules. GW Bushes Inner Voice
Hope the White House has more than an email problem. How about adding an impeachment problem to the list of the WH problems.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 13:
The standard of proof in impeachment -- is something the Senate can decide -- isn't necessarily something that includes "beyond all reasonable doubt". Rather, where there are not records where there should be, the fact that there are missing records is admissible. The OVP has clear data retention requirements. They have not complied. That is an impeachable offense. time to push to have this simple charge forwarded to the Senate for a trial; tne start again with the next round of charges.
Simple, Short Charges: Multiple Small Impeachments
Inaction on impeachable offenses is a serious issue. If the charge is credible; and the evidence warrants conviction -- but the DNC and GOP jointly agree to do nothing, that is a basis to question the validity/legitimacy of the two factions. Neither has asserted their oath. Rather than accept, "They wont' do anything" consider the opposite: If they are forced to confront multiple impeachment-cycles in the same year, but the DNC-GOP consistently refuse to act/impeach/convict, then that's a reasonable basis for a grand jury to review: Have they made a clearly erroneous error warranting 5 USC 3331 charges, violation of their oath of office?
Let's consider having multiple impeachments on simple things; and then making it more difficult for the GOP/DNC to argue, "There isn't enough time" or "We cannot convict." If the crime is clear, then their inaction is the basis to remove the DNC-GOP leadership from office before the 2008 election; and prosecute them outside the election cycle. If one group will not assert the rule of law -- like Congress -- then time to expand the circle of prosecution/removal to include Members of Congress; If the AGs at the State level will not cooperate with oversight of Congress through prosecutions, time to broaden the oversight to target for removal the AGs at the state level for alleged breach of their oath of office/atty standards of conduct.
Removing Lawfully the Congressional Leadership Before 2008 Elections
I reject the notion "nothing can be done." there are plenty of options. They key will be to widen the circle large enough to find someone who wakes up, "Yes, I need to act", then guide them to turn their prosecutorial-investigative power. Congress is lazy, foolish, and slow; and the President's legal team is a cess pool. Time to target them for prosecutions for their alleged complicity with war crimes evidence destruction. The longer this crew in DC messes this up, the worse they're making it for themselves. The public is not required to choose between the cess pool in the DNC or the GOP; the public can do the opposite: Compel the US government to comply with a new system of oversight system. This crew has now communicated they're interested in responding to their legal responsibilities, nor their oaths of office. They need a lawful wakeup call: Openly discuss removing lawfully the DNC-GOP leadership in Congress.
Deprive DNC OF Majority in Senate: Because We Can
DNC isn't serious about asserting power. Let's see if we can't put pressure on Lieberman to leave the DNC Caucus; and strip the DNC of their Chairmanships. They're not using them for anything, except making excuses. Sure, the DNC may have a larger majority after the 2008 election; but the threat that the public is pushing to deprive the DNC of their non-asserted-power is an option.
damn activist judges!!!
D.G. Bowman @ 22:
It's possible to remove Pelosi as Speaker.
Coffins draped in flags @ 24:
These guys will ride off into the sunset without being touched.
L.A. Confidential @ 28:
I disagree. Evidence is in France sending some shockwaves into DoD: Rumsfeld is now persona non grata, and he's subject to war crimes trial. Same goes for the rest of the crew; the longer they wait and do nothing, the more the world will follow France's lead.
But according to Mukasey, if the President orders someone to do it (delete e-mails), he's placing them within the law. So if Bush ordered the deletion of the "missing" e-mails, there's no crime. Funny how that works.
Franz Kafka and George Orwell are both turning in their respective graves.
Snowball @ 30:
If there's evidence the AG refuses to prosecute for voilating the law, or he blocks required action, the State AGs have the power to prosecute him. Screw Congress and their excuses to do nothing. Let's get this down to the State level. This US government is worthless in terms of . . .well, most things.
Yea... My bet would be on degaussing while the suits stall for time... If any tapes ever do see the light of day (probably won't ever happen) with nothing but unreadable gibberish, they'll likely just blame it on the age of the media... Sick part is, they might have a ligitimate point.. The wh probably are using older systems for backups.. They've been getting by with a lot of old shit in the executive branch...They have a lot of state of the art shit too, but I suspect its budget for upgrades is very selective. Hell I wouldn't be too surprised if any tapes found turned out to be 9 inch reels.... Planned obsolecence tied to benign neglect tied right into plausable deniability... How convenient is that.....JD
We the Peole are not obliged to take the lead of the US government when it leads us to lawlessness, defiance of the rule of law, inaction, and recklessness. The 10th Amendment reserves powers to We the People. We do have the power to establish some sort of oversight system -- outside the US government -- that has the power to investigate. They are called grand juries. The citizens in the states of NM and OK, to name a few, have the power to pass petitions to have a state-level grand jury.
Rather than focusing noarrowly on what Congress is or isn't doing, time to look at ways for the local officials to put pressure on the US government: Getting data before filing a FOIA; legal challenges to the Federal efforts to preempt litigation. I would hope the Association of State Legislators and Attorney Generals combine their forces and develop some strategies to aggressively challenge this lazy Congress, the reckless Congressional leadership, and the apparent plan of the current AG to gum litigation to death. If the AGs refuses to respond to these clear domestic threats to the Constitution, time for the public to openly call for the prosecution/disbarment of these State AGs.
violating FISA BEFORE 9/11 is a constitutional crime. bush and cheney need to be impeached and removed from office, then tried for treason, war crimes and war profiteering.
Its a new republican strategy, "Stall and escape"
Jack Damage @ 32:
The problem is: There are most likely leaks, and records that they have not destroyed. These inadvertent disclosures are admissible: First for the original data content; second as evidence the original data was destroyed. There is likely at least one e-mail that has been stored beyond what the US government-contractors-GOP-DNC have destroyed. One email can bring the whole thing crashing down.
StirFry @ 35:
Sounds like evidence of "having a mental reservation" in violation of their oath of office. That's not a strategy. It's evidence of 5 USC 3331 violations in re FISA and Geneva, a subsequent war crime.
Remove Speaker @ 29:
No ones going to try to "take in" any of these guys.
This administration will never be held accountable for their crimes. They're above the law.
"Yesterday, in response to a lawsuit filed by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a federal judge disappointed the Bush gang terribly with a major court order."
Obviously this judge wasn't a Bush appointed conservative activist crony appointed to disregard the law and cover Bush's ass.
The NSA reads everyone's email, right? Why not get copies from them?
The political-legislative process has broken. We cannot let the Congress gum this to death. Time to take this issue out of Congress, and throw it into the courts by way of Grand Jury indictments against Members of Congress individually. If, as it appears, the President might block federal prosecution of his alleged allies in the DNC-GOP, then the States need to take the lead to prosecute US government officials, and defend this Constitution.
The courts need to strip members of Congress, where appropriate, of their legislative immunity. On the grounds that they've abused their powers; have engaged in malfeasance; and their alleged malfeasance is clearly erroneous which the Judicial System cannot recognize. This Congress and the individual Members of Congress are alleged domestic enemies of the US Constitution. They need to be treated by the Grand Jury and Courts that way.
It takes quite a while to scrub that many documents. They took a page from Hillary misplacing the Rose Law Firm records.
StirFry @ 35:
I guess none of the previous republican strategies are working quite as well as they used to:
"duck and dodge"
"lie and spin"
"swiftboat and smear"
"marginalize and divide"
"divide and destort"
Fran Taylor @ 41:
it's possible but in a round about way. Putting aside the NSA's likely claim of "state secrets" (to justify hiding evidence of their illegal activity), recall GCHQ Gunn's assertions that the NSA-GCHQ was spying on the UN. Also, recall the NSA log which a Federal Court has admitted: Showing NSA was monitoring an attorney-client communication. The NSA logs may be classified; but the logs exist. Someone outside NSA would have a means to get review/summaries of these logs. These files are within the UK's GCHQ system.
Also other nations -- who are not friends of the US -- may have an interest in disclosing some information about "where to look" for information. This is analogous to the NSA's "investigative lead" process whereby NSA provides to law enforcement tips on how to "stumble upon" evidence. Nothing prevents foreign power from openly showing Americans where to look for evidence of US Member of Congress war crimes, complicity, and other things. Check the media leaks by foreign powers.
Ramrod @ 43:
Actually the Cons are the worlds champions at scrubbing and shredding. Once the evidence is gone it's gone.
Ramrod @ 43:
But it only takes one error on their part. That's why it's absurd for Congress to keep pushing back the clock. Opposite needs to happen: Accelerate the timelines, and the chances for errors -- leaks that evidence of unlawful activity was destroyed -- increases. Keep the pressure on Congress. They're making admissible errors as well: For war crimes.
L.A. Confidential @ 46:
The funny part is when they're convinced it's gone, but it's been secretly saved. . . Then they go to a deposition thinking there is no chance the evidence will be seen, they lie, but then get caught. This is what tripped up Libby: Fiztgerald still has evidence; and he still says there's a cloud over OVP.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a subpoena...
Fran Taylor @ 41:
Never hurts to ask. Encourage others to seek samples of known NSA intercepts; when the NSA says, "that never happened" you can wave the documents showing they're engaged in illegal activity. They call it "training".
Someone during Watergate came forward. Where are the NSA contractors now? Some of them are talking. On blogs.
Remove Speaker @ 48:
The real problem is preserving the privileged lifestyle is going to come before justice does.
who plays rosemary wood in this version?
gladnottobeamerican @ 21:
I'm glad to hear that you find the heads of our government withholding and attempting to destroy evidence of felonious conduct "BORING".......being a right winger we know that what you DO find exciting is socially unacceptable acts with naked pre-pubescent boys in public bathrooms.
I'm closely related to a technological genuis. He tells me that email NEVER goes completely away. I wouldn't sweat this shit too much....I imagine that it is still around....and even if they do manage to eradicate it, the extreme steps that they take to do so will likely be clear obstruction of justice.....we get dubya's pardonin' pen, and it will be time for heads to start rolling. Hopefully literally.......we can learn a lot from the French.
V V
I have to agree with No. 2, Blue Buddha.
After just laughing off the court order, the rest of the government will take a look
at the situation and say:
Hey, if you don't want to comply, that's fine with us !
We've all got the War Machine in high gear, who cares about the lead up to the
invasion or the fired attorneys !?!
We've got Di-Fi who's gotten us off the hook for torture and
we've got Di-Fi who's savin' us from wiretapping prosecution !
We're in Fat City !
Fran Taylor @ 41:
What a splendid way of exposing all the bush crimes, using the very tool they implemented to subvert the government!
I LOVE IT!!!
This is really important shit.
Note to MSNBC's Olbermann... Keep bringing this subject up. These jerks MUST be made accountable for their actions. Keeping the media pressure cooker hot, ensures that eventually they will be brought to justice.
If they are NOT made accountable, the US justice system is a complete farce. It will be the laughing stock of the entire world.
Has the rot in Washington gotten so bad... there is no longer an antidote???
Serious shit indeed.
"Dab burn it, I know them there records are somewhere around here. Oh yeah, they
were INADVERTENTLY tossed into the incinerator. Next question, and please make it
short because I have another blow-job to give before another Committee."
Remove Speaker@36;
Well, as they say, hope springs eternal. And I hope you turn out to be right on this. It is a fact that it is damned near impossible to completely eliminate electronic records but not too hard to misplace those records for years. And there is a question not discusses to date here, of whether or not hardware still exists to read that data, depending on the age of the media and the type of hardware used to back it all up originally. It is also a fact they all (all senior Bush administration officials both currently serving and previously serving (and that ones for you Karl) ) need to be on trial in the Hague. The U.S court system at this particular time is pretty compromised in my opinion....
you bring up a good point about leaks though....JD
Vitam Vas @ 53:
Well, I think treason against the Federal government IS a capital crime, isn't it? It will be one of the great ironies, as most of Bush's crew is from Texas, and fought to use the dealth penalty at every opportunity. Since we had to suspend lethal injection, they may even get the chair. Bzzzzzzzzzt! Of course it is barbaric, but why not judge them by their own rules? You can bet I'll be there with a smile on...
It is frustrating to think about just how MUCH work it will be and just how LONG it will take to fix all of the processes and instruments of government that have been broken, perverted, or stuffed with cronies. A huge undertaking! And that's not even counting the war. It is so much easier to destroy than create.
Good luck to the next one (hopefully Edwards). IF we even HAVE a next one. Stay strong and stay alert, my friends... and
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
[Let's leave the violent fantasizing to the PNAC crowd-Sitemonitor]
Court orders? Subpoenas? Good luck with that.
Bush will go to his comfort man Neil Cavuto to forget about this latest problem
Here's a unique thought from left field...perhaps these lying mother-f**kers have lied to us..,.yet again!
It's possible that the only thring we, as Americans, can do is to Hang these MFer's by the neck until dead. Look at all the pain and death they have caused since they "took" office in 2000.
I submit that the BushCo administration is worse for the country that any Al-Queda takeover.
All of them (Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, and the rest) should be taken out and shot in the interest of liberty. Be assured that they DO NOT promulgate the form of liberty that we consider normal in our society.
They have caused more pain in the interest of "Liberty" that any despot ever.
Please allow us the opportunity to rid our country of these unsavory characters before it's too late!
so what? who cares? what or who will stop these pigs? so they broke the law AGAIN! does anything EVER FUCKING HAPPEN??? NOOOOOoooooOOOOO so just stfu already and declare the US Bushistan fuck I hate him
The Ministry of Truth, filled with compassionate conservatives, publishes lies, redacts embarrassing truths, and drops the rest in the Memory Hole in the Records Department, also known as the White House email system.
Everything is working exactly the way it was designed to work.
Shouldn't it be obvious, that the critical factor is the tapping, the eavesdropping on every phone call, every email?
Even an innocent communication has the potential to be twisted for malicious use by All the President's Men.
Any member of Congress (for that matter any one of us) could be squeezed. Doesn't it seem that Dems are being blackmailed from holding these guys accountable.
Isn't it ironic that it's subposed to be ok to allow everyone else's emails to be intercepted for no reason, but when the admin's emails are demanded, as required by law, that they can't be had.
1984
there has to be dirt in those e-mails.If anything.. now they can be prosecuted for destruction of evidence.and more....I have a feeling boosh will be in our lives for YEARS to come......as he's dragged through the courts......and when that day comes..I'm gonna get out the bbq and an icechest full of beer..........and party like it's the superbowl...
I think this is another illustration of the desperation of BushCo about their inability to get a viable candidate who will play ball for them. Since they've got nobody to cleanup for W the way he did for Poppy, they're just having to do the cleaning themselves while they're still there.
I'd expect much, much more of this sort of thing.
do you guys really think these clowns are smart enough to pull this off?no... their not....they screwed up somewhere....they all do.
The White House has a shrub problem. Congress really should get on that.
No court order will ever bring these arch-criminals to prosecution and conviction. Thomas Jefferson once shot a man on the White House lawn for treason. Enough said.
Not all emails have to be restored. It is possible to make reasonable, adverse inferences using only some of the email. Not all emails are required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that given lawyers were or were not involved with making frivolous legal arguments. There are some things which the court can reasonably conclude -- or know should exist, but has been destroyed -- simply by applying the simple rules of logic.
Jack Damage @ 58:
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Putting aside the issue of whether Jefferson was or was not ever issued a bench warrant, the example of Jefferson in the 1700s doesn't relate to whether the President or Member of Congress may or may not face legal consequences in 2007. This is a falwed argument:
The Sea Hawk @ 71:
You've asserted something that may or may not be true; but that doesn't necessarily support your contention that "No court order will ever . . ." That's a sweeping statement. Let's consider three (3) examples suggesting that court orders could impose consequences; and hold Members of Congress and the President to account.
1. Article 1 Section 9
Arguably, once the court issues the order -- but the Congress, Member of Congress, or President ignore that order -- it will be illegal for that person to spend money for anything, including their own office: It will have been attached to unlawful things which defy a court order. They're not longer protected people; but face additional legal problems under Article 1 Section 9.
2. Bench Warrants For President, VP, Members of Congress
Whether the court issues an order; whether the President or Member of Congress ignore that court order; and how the Court attempts to enforce that court order should the Executive Branch and Legislature ignore the Judiciary are separate issues. Just because Congress doesn't aggressively enforce contempt citations does not oblige the Judiciary to follow the tortise-like Congress; it can, without notice, issue arrest warrants for the President, Member of Congress for contempt of court. DoJ, the President, and the AG have no vote on whether or not to enforce these Judicial orders.
3. State Level Prosecution
Putting aside your flawed argument and the above two (2) examples, you fail to consider the other option to impose legal consequences on the President and VP: Non-US government legal options, such as the States. We've seen in the FISA litigation that States AGs will take action; and there is nothing that prevents any local or state prosecutor from filing criminal charges against either the President, VP, or Member of Congress. Whether the US government does or doesn't act in re impeachment or prosecution is meaningless: Other Constitutional officers at the local and state level have a similar duty to enforce and defend the Constitution against alleged domestic enemies in the White House and Congress.
I would put a DOLLAR BET on the existance of a brief case full of DVD's somewhere in Karl Rove's basement that has EVERY WORD of those five million "lost" e-mails... just waiting for the right time (which will probably be BLACK-MAIL evidence to force RNC co-conspirators to keep their mouths shut when the HEAT starts to ramp up.
Aaron Burr was indicted for murder in New York and New Jersey while he was Vice President (he ran away, but they dropped the charges since it was a foolish duel and Hamilton probably had it coming) and he returned to serve out his term. I think he was still tried for treason after that... that didn't work either because no witnesses would come forward (despite that Burr had publicly declared himself "Emperor of Mexico" ) AND the one letter they had where he did talk of stealing land from the U.S. was destroyed -- the hand-written "copy" they made was found out and thrown out of court.
Sound familiar? Of course he WAS a traitor. After the trial in 1807, the scoundrel (who changed his name to avoid paying his debts) went to England trying to raise funds for a war against the U.S from Mexico (what would become Texas). He planned to carve out a country for himself as a dictator, of course, however things went. Eventually he was even kicked out of England, and France would not even have him. He managed to sneak back into the country just before he died.
I don't know what that proves... other than putting Dick "I shot a man in the face; return of the king" Cheney into perspective... I hope we do a better job this time on this slippery fish.
Impeach the morons! we are not stupid. We know how email works. Impeach the morons. They should have been out of the white house a long time ago.. how many accomplices do we have.. are all of them in bed with each other. let's hang them all in front of all of us. Impeach them all.
Is this a Great Country, or What ???!!??!!
IMPEACH THEM ALL - NOW!
While the righties still gripe about Berger's copies from the Archives.
The crooks.
Christian54 @ 4:
Put them in jail. For god sakes they are CRIMINALS!
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 75:
What you've proved:
A. A sitting VP can be prosecuted, regardless what Congress does or doesn't do on impeachment. Time for Congress to decide whether it wants to be relevant or a lapdog.
B. Inaction doesn't mean Cheney faces no legal challenges. Impeach or prosecute. Once impeachment is "taken off the table," prosecutions must be used.
Thank you.
david @ 76:
An impeachment investigation appears only possible if the Speaker is removed. There is a way to do it. It's not that hard. All you have to do is ask how . . .visit here; and then read this thread. Key is to get many people talking about it as was done with the State Proclamations on impeachment; that will wake up the Congress: We the People have options, and Congress needs to respond.
maybe they should subpeona at&t
i hear they keep pretty good records of everyone's emails
This administration is UNDERESTIMATING the intelligence of those that CREATED the e-mail systems and the general public and users who have been familiar with the e-mail systems.
It's time to call an independent professional audits and investigation of the internal operation of the White House and any Public offices in connection to all the corrupt operations. If there is a problem with this magnitude at the top office of the nation; it would not be a surprise that the corruption is far more expanded. It goes beyond white colar crime or a mafia like operation. It goes beyond party line; from President Vice President to possible Senate and Congress.
Perhaps this has been going on long before Bush Administration. From Nixon to Regan, to Bush Sr. to Clinton to current Bush. (ALL have had a history of not being TRUTHFUL. America has been a victim of government corruption and the people and tax payer suffers at the end. People must do it's civil oversight of our government officials.
Remove Speaker @ 47:
Remove Speaker, I'd love to be as optimistic as you, but I don't see anything at all happening to the White House cabal. After a prolonged litany of crimes, lies, ethical breaches, misdeeds, negligence, and severe incompetence, they aren't all that popular, but they are still firmly in power (thanks to their corporatocracy and Congress's thumb up their collective asses).
Keep the pressure on Congress. Who? You and me? That's laughable. Those people don't give a shit about you or me, unless one of us is a lobbyist, and that sure ain't me.
It's the 18.5GB gap that's missing. Who's playing the part of Rose Mary Woods this time?
Is it not odd, that the same poeple who are trying to bury the Bush white house records(publicly elected officials), are the same poeple who are trying drag out Hillary Clinton records when she was the first lady (private citizen). Just more of the typical right wing hypocrisy.
I wonder what happened in ye olden days when government documents went missing, because the carrier pigeon flew south for the winter?
Spookytooth @ 86:
The funny thing is those Rose Law Firm legal records were 12 years old already at the time, and I think the IRS only requires business records to be held for 7.
Additionally once the records were found she had them turned over, she never had to admit to their being found.
And once the records were reviewed they tended to substantiate her statement that her involvement was minimal.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 13:
Convert them to what, Satanism? I hear the Satanists have standards.
Doesn't AT&T have a copy of every single email sent in the past 7 years? Can't we get a court order fore them to hand the emails over?
Anyone who works in IT will tell, even if you think something has been erased, it's still there and recoverable.
The only way to truly make sure there is no record of something on a hard drive is to smash it with a hammer.
Confiscate their CPU's and let the forensics guys at 'em!
Uh Oh, John Conyers is on the floor of the house discussing the illegal Warrantless Wiretapping and the FISA GOP proposal to retroactively give the telecoms immunity from prosecution. Looks like he's putting impeachment back on the table!
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