Is it wrong to want to strangle Brad?

The opening to this debate is laughable.

Thompson bowed out already.

Hillary:"If there is one thing I learned when I was President with Bill...."

Obama: "the hypotenuse of the square root of the circle square, divided by Ronald Raygun and MLK.........."

Edwards: Knock, knock, knock "C'mon guys let me in! I'm in this race too!"

Any stream on this?

Mark my words, they'll be excluding Edwards soon. The press can't pick our Pres, but they sure can veto.

Love Dennis, but why on earth should he be allowed in this debate? He got ZERO percent in Nevada, if he should be in, hey, then so should all the C&L readers. Just because he filled out the right forms, got on the ballots, and is the smartest of all the candidates, still doesn't mean he's an automatic. If no one's voting for you, even after many many debates where he was included, it's simply not his time.

Sad, but true.

BO starts on the offensive.

I wish Dennis Kucinich was in it too. I think four people in a debate isn't asking too much. I don't know the corporate rules on this, and I agree there should be some rules, but Dennis is a voice this country needs as well. Peace.

Kucinich is trying to reveal the truth behind 9/11 and Iraq war, that scares Disney, GE and Time Warner.

I hope Barack Obama wins this thing. He is what I need to gain some optimism about this system. Damn.

Lollimom @ 19:

mental produce @ 13:

scatter @ 10:

Any stream on this?

Go to the CNN homepage. You'll find a link to the streaming window there.

Yeah, IF you install their Turner Media plug-in.

Any programmers here? Is my paranoia irrational?

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream1

To say that Dennis Kucinich has had many chances in previous debates to win over voters is ignoring the fact that he got less time than anyone else besides Mike Gravel in most debates. Clinton, Obama and BLITZER got nearly 3 times as much talking time in one debate as Dennis.

http://chrisdodd.com/talkclock/lv

Firefox didn't give me the video, but Maxthon browser did. Maxthon -- an Internet Explorer shell.
Lollimom @ 19:

mental produce @ 13:

scatter @ 10:

Any stream on this?

Go to the CNN homepage. You'll find a link to the streaming window there.

Yeah, IF you install their Turner Media plug-in.

Any programmers here? Is my paranoia irrational?

Hillary Clinton is acting shrill and manipulative and ugly.

I'm smiling so much right now.

This "debate" is a joke.

Hillary say they're just getting warmed up...

mo_dems @ 330:

Edwards was the clear winner tonight. I don't think anyone could dispute that. Now let's see what the news says tomorrow...

He's the ONLY ONE we have some chance with.

The CNN commentary is idiotic. As usual. Am not holding my breath what MSMs will say.

There will be not much abt this tomorrow - the market is going to reopen, and crash.
The name of the game is DERIVATIVES, to the tune of $$ 2.1 TRILLION, evaporated. On the top of subprime debacle. It's not abt making money on the stock, but, possible total disintegration of monetary system, in US, and worldwide. Chicken come home to roost. $150 billion is laughable as a fix, but a terrible burden for us, taxpayers. They've raped us good. AIPAC rules.

EDWARDS 2008 !!

Roger from Ohio @ 335:

MCMetal @ 317:

Roger from Ohio @ 304:

WHAP!!!!

Edwards just got smacked in the mouth with his Lobbyist crap

He gets dough from people that hire lobbyist, that are kids of lobbyist.... that are married to lobbyist

SMACK!!!!

You of course , being from the state that was responsible for Chimpy's 2nd coronation , are sure to be right on the money .........................

I voted against him.... did you??
Im gonna vote for whatever democrat chosen...... will you??
I hope it is hillary....... will u vote for her if she is chosen?? or will u vote for dubya Jr??

Somehow I feel uncomfortable making "PROMISES" to vote for who my neighbor tells me to.

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CalGeorge @ 353:

Martin Luther King Jr. would not have appreciated the folks who gave Bush the means to go to war with Iraq.

Hillary's effort to make flag burning illegal says a lot about her.

Knee-jerk patriotism of the worst kind.

Sickening.

so who would MLK endorse in this election?? Clinton voted yes...... Edwards voted yes.... Obama didnt vote because he wasnt there..... but has voted for the war ever since he has been there. he may have said no then when his opinion didnt matter..... but he says yes now for political reasons.

who was it that said we need a manager....would that be like a CEO Presidency?....uhuh....yeah,sure.

mo_dems @ 362:

Here's where all the Dems get their money.

And Hillary gets more money from lawyers/law firms than Edwards!

Stellaa @ 366:

Gotta go cook...sorry. Later

LOL.......Yeah , sure........

Edwards just said 'petty bickering'.....me thinks he has someone here...watching the comments.

ConcernedCanuck @ 8:

Hillary:"If there is one thing I learned when I was President with Bill...."

Obama: "the hypotenuse of the square root of the circle square, divided by Ronald Raygun and MLK.........."

Edwards: Knock, knock, knock "C'mon guys let me in! I'm in this race too!"

lol!!! :) :) :)

chris lawton @ 372:

[Deleted. Off topic-Sitemonitor]

thanks ...but no thanks.......take it over to red state....or poli pundit.....RP......LOL.

Jim @ 63:

Hillary's attack on BO was so stinging, but necessary to answer his silly Wal-mart comment. Geez, sorry a woman was a corporate lawyer while you were smoking crack.

Jimmy boy, get your head out of the gutter!

mo_dems @ 362:

Here's where all the Dems get their money.

That was a GREAT link. Thank you.
I'm saving it.

MCMetal @ 364:

Stellaa @ 354:

MCMetal @ 351:

Stellaa @ 347:

What her healthcare? Her policies on fixing FEMA? which ones

I don't have a problem with her pronunciation or grasp of the English Language ; it's her policies/beliefs that are horseshit...........

Iraq

Her being too cozy with Israel.

She has zero grasp of economics.

She has already proven she knows nothing about repairing the US health-care system........

AND ............SHE VOTED IN FAVOR OF KYL-LIEBERMAN ; HER IRAQ VOTE DIDN'T TEACH HER ANYTHING ????????????

AND OBAMA DECIDED NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THAT VOTE.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED.
APPARENTLY, HE COULDN'T VOTE PRESENT.

mo_dems @ 382:

leslie @ 379:

mo_dems @ 362:

Here's where all the Dems get their money.

That was a GREAT link. Thank you.
I'm saving it.

You're welcome. I've pretty much decided who I'm voting for based on those graphs.

Actually I've decided who I'm not voting for based on the those graphs.

leslie @ 381:

MCMetal @ 364:

Stellaa @ 354:

MCMetal @ 351:

Iraq

Her being too cozy with Israel.

She has zero grasp of economics.

She has already proven she knows nothing about repairing the US health-care system........

AND ............SHE VOTED IN FAVOR OF KYL-LIEBERMAN ; HER IRAQ VOTE DIDN'T TEACH HER ANYTHING ????????????

AND OBAMA DECIDED NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THAT VOTE.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED.
APPARENTLY, HE COULDN'T VOTE PRESENT.

I don't support Obama ...............

leslie @ 384:

leslie @ 381:

AND OBAMA DECIDED NOT TO SHOW UP FOR THAT VOTE.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENED.
APPARENTLY, HE COULDN'T VOTE PRESENT.

Sorry. I didn't mean to yell.

That's okay ........It's cool that you're amped up ; shows that ya care.........

mo_dems @ 383:

mo_dems @ 382:

leslie @ 379:

mo_dems @ 362:

That was a GREAT link. Thank you.
I'm saving it.

You're welcome. I've pretty much decided who I'm voting for based on those graphs.

Actually I've decided who I'm not voting for based on the those graphs.

thanks for the link mo-dems............I've seen something like this before,but I'm glad you posted it........everybody should read it.

Democrats win. Period. Especially when we all know what we're gonna hear Saturday as the Repugs slobber all over Reagan (it's at the Regan Library)....now we can continue the gut-wrenching analysis of who, Obama or Hilary, is the most electable. Edwards best debate, by far, so he might yet have some kind of role to play at the convention.

OOps...I guess the next repub debate is in Florida...I guess CNN was plugging its next Repug debate.

Obama was right.

In November 1986…Hillary Clinton became Wal-Mart’s first female board member, a position…for which she accepted $15,000 a year…Her hourly rate was about 156 times that of a female Wal-Mart worker…Senator Clinton would not comment on her work with Wal-Mart…

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/oldmole/2007/12/09/hillary-clinton039s-wa...

This is like Ali-Frazier!
Wow.

RBK_4_Dennis_Kucinich @ 33:

Jim @ 23:

Having DK in is a complete waste of time.
He's not going to win. Period. So, would you rather hear more things that you/we already agree with Dennis on, or would you rather hear BO, Hillary, and Edwards, one of whom WILL be the next president, distinguish themselves from each other?
I don't need to hear Dennis, I already agree with him. I'm looking for things I can find good in the remaining.

Don't think of yourself, think of all the people that haven't had a chance to hear what he says. His ideas should be a national agenda that citizens get behind and pressure their congresspeople to implement. If those ideas are silenced, nothing changes.

They don't even let Edwards talk. I used to support Kucinich, and even sent him some money, but he's just a distraction by now.

NAFTA, GAT, the WTO, China Trade, and every other trade agreement that's passed in Congress has been passed with the help of either the leadership of or with the help of the Democratic Party, knowing that each and every one of those agreements was devoid of protections for workers, knowing that if you don't have workers' rights put into a trade agreement then workers here in the United States are going to see their own bargaining position undermined because corporations can move jobs out of the country to places where workers don't have any rights. -Dennis Kucinich

Democrats and Republicans can't afford to have a man that sasy this in the public eye.

It's embarrassing!

Edwards just stole third

John brings it back home. Good for him

kravitz @ 392:

lovin that most polls show Obam-bam won the night over Clingy and BreckGirl.

Ya mean like those polls that were so accurate in New Hampshire ?

Ronnie Barack Retard didn't win shit tonight ; anyone claiming that is being wholly disingenuous............

kravitz @ 392:

lovin that most polls show Obam-bam won the night over Clingy and BreckGirl.

Where are the polls you're looking at?
I'm interested to see what they say.

thanks

Max-1 @ 396:

MCMetal @ 390:

Max-1 @ 388:

mudshark @ 365:

A CORPORATE MANAGER OF A CORPORATE NATION!
Gawd how I hate Fascism!

.

Wouldn't that be a Corporatocracy ?

))))))))))) B I N G O (((((((((((

How's that "CHANGE" from what we have now?
Which one of those three will NOT allow BIG-PHARMA at their Heath Care round table?
Which one of those three will NOT allow Corporate $$'$ to dictate energy, science, military... etc.

They'll all be changing their underwear as fast as their promises.

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I kind of view it the same way , except I would hold Edwards' feet to the fire in regards to his statements on the poor/impoverished ; at least that's a start if he does anything there , which no one else really has..........

Sany @ 278:

Why do you Democrats not get it. John Edwards is the ONLY WINNING TICKET to beat the Republicans!

United Sheeple of America: we deliver. Sheepledom. Not common sense.

mo_dems @ 362:

Here's where all the Dems get their money.

Thanks. I suspected as much: neither Hillary nor Obama are "change" candidates, unless you mean more pocket change for the banks, hedge funds, insurance companies and other moneyed interests.

Forgive me for bastardizing Lewis Black but, its the corporate cocksucking media assholes that are sticking us with this bunch of pricks.

solid @ 406:

Lollimom @ 167:

snoozer @ 148:

For those of us who can't watch, could we have some more direct quotes from the debate, at least samples of their words to give the gist, instead of terse remarks like "so-and-so just hit one up the middle," or "so-and-so just scored a jab"? Just a handful of words actually spoken would be a big help.

Obama: I want to be as careful going out (of Iraq) as we were going in. (me: we were careful going into Iraq, Obama? ARE YOU INSANE?).

Edwards: All combat troops will be out within one year.

Hillary: Basically turned her attention to Bush, and his attempt to bind the next president to the Iraq involvement.

You're not quoting Obama correctly. He said "I want to be as careful going out of Iraq as we were careless going in."

In other words, he wants a well thought out, responsible exit strategy that is in stark contrast to the haphazard clusterfuck that Bush gave us going into Iraq.

I'll take your misquote as an innocent mistake; hope you're not trying to be subversive here.

thanks, I thought I heard him say, "I want to be as careful going out (of Iraq) as we were going in." too.

mudshark @ 402:

funny how MLK's son endorsed Edwards....and not Obama.......hmmmmmmm?

What did Condomeetza, Clarence Thomas, or even Colin Powell did for their own ?
Well, Colin secured lucrative govt positions for his uber-crook sonny.
So, that's why Edwards, not Obama.. Issues.

" does anyone know how Edwards did on his fund raising day?How much did he raise?" - I left an inquiry w/the campaign, didn't hear back yet.

MCMetal @ 399:

Max-1 @ 396:

MCMetal @ 390:

Max-1 @ 388:

Wouldn't that be a Corporatocracy ?

))))))))))) B I N G O (((((((((((

How's that "CHANGE" from what we have now?
Which one of those three will NOT allow BIG-PHARMA at their Heath Care round table?
Which one of those three will NOT allow Corporate $$'$ to dictate energy, science, military... etc.

They'll all be changing their underwear as fast as their promises.

.

I kind of view it the same way , except I would hold Edwards' feet to the fire in regards to his statements on the poor/impoverished ; at least that's a start if he does anything there , which no one else really has..........

Exactly.

If he's talking it, he sure better BE walking it!

.

Edwards was the clear winner tonight and has once again proven that he's the most competent candidate. Unfortunately America is made up of sheep which will lead us to another loss in the election against corporate America and the republicans and finalize the loss of our country.

AMERICA

Are they (top-tier candidates marketed by the corporate giants) truly the model democrats ? Or are they the model of establishment and corporate interest paid-for- politicians that we fear will go astray from the democratic principles that the people hold value, once in power?

As I see it, in this important time of our history where WE need leaders that will actually practice our democratic principles, these "top-tier" candidates has failed to live up to it. Not Hillary, Not Obama, or Edwards. No one made any public statement that they oppose this kind of oppressive behavior.

AMERICA should look beyond the surface and watch and listen to what is being expressed that is coming from the candidates inside consistent with their actions. Their action to do what is necessary must be done NOW and not a promise to do so once elected. The BUSH policy of sticks and carots are being utilized before you. They hold the stick and you follow their carots. It is merely a political fishing expedition and their rhetorics are the carot ( a bait) to win your votes.

Is that vote going to really bring the troops home and will they truly end the war in IRAQ? Are they really going to bring to fruition a reform to the health care industry where no one will ever be denied medical care? We have an issue that has not even been debated...IMPEACHMENT and accountability for the crimes committed by the Bush Regime.

If they truly believe in Democracy.....and .....equality....., their behavior demostrate contrary to it. The campaign has just began in it's early stages and we see our candidates undignified. The campaign is becoming about the issues of RACE, SEX, GENDER the very facet that are not DEMOCRATIC. Even the role of the media excluding other viable candidates is a clear example of miles away from the DEMOCRACY that WE THE PEOPLE are accustomed and before our very own eyes seems to be broken.

NOT one of these "CANDIDATE" ( who are supposed to be running as DEMOCRAT) stood-up against those that violated our DEMOCRACY and defended those fellow DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES that have been violated and excluded? Are these the kind of leaders WE WANT ? If they would not defend their own, HOW do we expect them to defend us when OUR rights are violated?

Practice what you preach....

Don't give us EMPTY rhetorics.....

Edwards 08

Saw him in person on Saturday in Atlanta.

He answered my wife's question (she's a teacher): "NCLB, will have immediate radical changes to it and if those don't work, then it will be scrapped entirely"

If you're a teacher....he should be your top choice....the other candidates (even Kucinich) rarely bring this up....he's the only one besides Richardson that understands its an assault on education to destroy public education.

eh..... this is why i don't watcht his stuff... i don't 'care' what they say.. i figure they're all liars in one way or another. What i want is their promises and what they'er able to do.. or the direction they're leaning to..

John Edwards, mature,level headed, in control, the best candidate for President.
When will people see this?
I hope that Hillary and Barack start slugging each other next time.

SckofFknLiarz @ 36:

Obama was right.

In November 1986…Hillary Clinton became Wal-Mart’s first female board member, a position…for which she accepted $15,000 a year…Her hourly rate was about 156 times that of a female Wal-Mart worker…Senator Clinton would not comment on her work with Wal-Mart…

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

http://www.bostonnow.com/blogs/oldmole/2007/12/09/hillary-clinton039s-walmart-connection-revisited

I don't exactly recall Wal-Mart being the domineering, nightmare of small-businesses and unskilled labor in 1986 that it has become since 1995. I don't see a reason why this should be used against Hillary in any context other than guilt by association. Lame tactic Obama.

“Wal-Mart cannot be blamed on George W. Bush. The Arkansas-based company prospered under the state’s native son Bill Clinton when he was governor and president. Sam Walton and his wife, Helen, were close friends with the Clintons, and for several years, Hillary Clinton, whose corporate law firm represented Wal-Mart, served on the company’s board of directors. Bill Clinton’s `welfare reform’ has provided Wal-Mart with a ready workforce of women who have no choice but to accept the company’s poverty wages and discriminatory policies…”

Lollimom @ 45:

Brad @ 26:

Firefox didn't give me the video, but Maxthon browser did. Maxthon -- an Internet Explorer shell.
Lollimom @ 19:

mental produce @ 13:

Yeah, IF you install their Turner Media plug-in.

Any programmers here? Is my paranoia irrational?

Thank you. Yes, Firefox doesn't work and requires their plug-in. IE does work...which means I must have their plug-in already. :(

Safari is working for me.

JOHN EDWARDS!!!!

Oh Jeebus........and it goes back to the important "race" card

Obama/Edwards '08

ok Hillary's up....................sacrifice bunt....and she gets on 1st

Edwards is an idiot

he cant push himself to importance, so he whines about the media, and climbs on Obama's coat tails and attacks Clinton.

doesnt sound very presidential

Hillary's attack on BO was so stinging, but necessary to answer his silly Wal-mart comment. Geez, sorry a woman was a corporate lawyer while you were smoking crack.

I wonder how the media will spin another debate victory for Edwards into a Clinton or Obama "victory"?

Clay @ 62:

I'd be for and Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket, but anything with Hillary on it simply won't be good for the country. Do you seriously think she can do anything serious to fix the 8 years of George Bush?

Agreed. Hillary will fracture the country for 4-8 more years. And what's more, she knows it.

Here we go again! Get ready...

Hillary and Barack ... a pox on both your houses!

Roger from Ohio @ 61:

Edwards is an idiot

he cant push himself to importance, so he whines about the media, and climbs on Obama's coat tails and attacks Clinton.

He didn't say a THING about any media, he is the MOST on subject (fiscal responsibility) -he waited for the beach to stop ripping Obama apart.. He told both of the shrills to grow UP and discuss the ISSUES !!

GO AWAY you stooopid troll !!! LIAR !!

mental produce @ 67:

Clay @ 62:

I'd be for and Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama ticket, but anything with Hillary on it simply won't be good for the country. Do you seriously think she can do anything serious to fix the 8 years of George Bush?

Agreed. Hillary will fracture the country for 4-8 more years. And what's more, she knows it.

Fracture? She'll bore everyone to death with her decades long answers. What color is your hair Hillary? "Well, in the beginning there was hv'n and earth, and the lord said......blah, blah, blah, blah....." Good god

after watching so many of these debates, I really get the vibe from Clinton and Obama that they operate/frame arguments according to advice of their "handlers" rather than from their own instincts and ideas like Edwards. I was not aware of Edwards' rhetoric in '04 so I have no cynicism re: how he has changed or whatever. Anyone else?

On the GOP side, will it be Mitt, Mike, Jon and Paul-- and no Rudy? Or will they shut out Ron too?

Anyone have the debate video link?

SHILLARY just got booooed ! she lies from Rove's playbook !!

NO COUNTRY/ NOTHING CAN BE RUN w/FIGHTS this shrill beeeach incites !!
She lives by lies !!

Obama goes back at her - what a disgusting thing !!

Max-1 @ 70:

Jim @ 23:

Having DK in is a complete waste of time.
He's not going to win. Period. So, would you rather hear more things that you/we already agree with Dennis on, or would you rather hear BO, Hillary, and Edwards, one of whom WILL be the next president, distinguish themselves from each other?
I don't need to hear Dennis, I already agree with him. I'm looking for things I can find good in the remaining.

Jim,
I'm sorry that you don't get it.

See, it isn't a matter of who will "win" or who you vote for.
It's called the principle of DEMOCRACY.
Letting the people's voice be heard, letting the people decide, FREELY, whom to listen to, whom to choose.

Q U E S T I O N:
What principles must one have to argue the necessity to quash the free exchange of ideas?
Why would I want to listen to three people discuss which shade of blue is preferred? What if I wish to know about green?
Where's THAT voice that gives impetus to those who prefer blue to explain why blue is preferable?

Keeping Dennis "OFF THE STAGE" allows the remainder to not have to defend how they aren't supporting and defending the Constitution NOW, granting them the stage to PROMISE CHANGE(of their mind as often as their underwear).

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Fine, then I want to be in this debate. Why not? Why should MY ideas not be heard? Why not you? Duh, of course it's democracy, but at the Lincoln-Douglas debates there were only 2 candidates present as well. No philosophical analysis will change the fact that Dennis should not be included in deference of time and reality.