February 28, 2008 04:15 PM
Why is the IRS going after Obama's denomination?
Federal tax law, as it relates to tax-exempt religious ministries, is pretty clear — houses of worship may not legally intervene in political campaigns, either in support of or opposition to a candidate or a party. Those who violate the law run the risk of losing their tax-exempt status.
What’s less clear is why the IRS has decided to launch this specific investigation.
The Internal Revenue Service is investigating the United Church of Christ, saying the denomination may have threatened its tax-free status by allowing Sen. Barack Obama to speak before thousands of members at a church conference in June.
Is it possible the IRS is going after the UCC for political reasons? It sure looks like it.
WSJ??? you mean the paper murdoch owns???
better go to the carpet bagger link
Every church should be reviewed.
Isn't it obvious?
The Republican party hates the UCC for being liberal and Obama's getting this far in the election was the last straw for them.
IdahoMoe @ 2:
I agree. Get rid of them all.
Dale @ 4:
Take your bigotry else where.
CD @ 5:
How is that bigoted??????
Of course we know the right wingers are behind this. Never mind that the Christian Right has been steeping itself in politics for the last 10 years. How often have these guys been in violation. Right wing preachers are telling their congregations how to vote and giving lists to Republican fund raising organizations.
OF COURSE it's political. Busholini has politicized all parts of what used to be OUR gov't.
IdahoMoe @ 2:
I agree 100%. I was furious in 2004 when I left (Catholic) church one Sunday and evrey car in the lot had an anti-Kerry, pro-Bush flyer on the windshield, all based on anti-abortion. I was so livid I was speechless.
Yes, I think all churches should be paying taxes.
Why is the IRS going after Obama’s denomination?
Hmm...could politics have anything to do with it? Nah.
IdahoMoe @ 6:
If you said every Black person should be investigated that would be racist.
If you said every gay person should be investigated that would be homophobic.
If you think that every Quaker meeting house should be investigated for criminal activity you're a bigot.
From the article:
"* Post Script: If the IRS is prepared to argue that the UCC may have violated the law simply by giving Obama a platform for a non-partisan speech, should we also assume, then, that the agency will investigate the Southern Baptist Convention for inviting George W. Bush to give a non-partisan speech? That, in effect, is the argument here."
I agree. That is the argument. A simple speech about ones faith in front of a church's congregation is not a political event. Its a spiritual one.
Hell, if anything, the IRS should be looking into Kenneth Copeland Ministries and how Mike Huckabee called them up to ask for donations to his Presidential campaign. To me, what Huckabee did is a right in your face violation but apparently the IRS sees no problem with it.
CD @ 11:
CD @ 11:
Yes, I'm bigoted against gods. Show me a god who's offended by this and I'll take it back.
IdahoMoe @ 13:
Fine...All tax exempt entities should be reviewed......all better now?
They're giving the Don Siegelman to the UCC... and Barak Obama.
IdahoMoe @ 15:
How about we just revoke tax exempt status for all churches and then they can do and say anything they want to say? Why should the revenue generating aspect of religion be anymore exempt from taxation than any other business?
Joe O. @ 12:
And what about all those churches telling their parishioners that they'd go to hell if they voted Democratic? (John Kerry in particular) I'd say that's pretty political. Will those churches be investigated, Mr. IRS?? I think there needs to be a big mail campaign heading to the IRS asking these specific questions, over and over and over again.
IdahoMoe @ 15:
How about we review groups who have done something wrong and not persecute people?
We should start with assholes like Pat Robertson and Benny Hinn.
Wait, I'm confused. Is he a muslim or isn't he?
Space Coyote @ 20:
Who?
Space Coyote @ 20:
Obama should just go ahead and say he's Muslim. In fact, he should just say he's Islamic. At least then, out of habit, the Republican's would divert their attention and go after Hillary.
Space Coyote @ 20:
You make a good point.
The right has gone out of it's way to imply Obama is a Muslim and now they're attacking his Church.
They can't have it both ways.
right on! @ 18:
I agree. I recall those churches saying that when John Kerry was running.
Or the priests and bishops who make a big fuss about announcing that Catholic politians who are pro-choice should be denied communion. Isn't that a political statement?
I bet there are many people in the IRS who could step forward as whistle blowers. When every conservative church in America is telling their flocks how and who to vote for, it's OK? But if Obama even attends a church it's under investigation? This is thuggery. short sighted, too, because Obama is probably going to be the next president. that would bode ill for everybody involved in this obvious attempt to use a government agency in an obvious act of extortion. Dumb. Very dumb. Also, very criminal.
Chicken Little - NOT!! @ 17:
Hey! If the Catholic Church payed taxes, they couldn't afford all the pedophile lawsuits.
The upside for Obama - having stories about his Christian church in the news might defuse some of the "he's a Muslim" nonsense.
Dan @ 28:
Good point.
Every church should pay taxes. They try to brainwash the masses of sheeple weekly, which IS political. How much money over the decades have priest pedophiles cost the system, the same system they pay no taxes on?
It's so lame when people act as though every Religious organization in America is Catholic.
Joe O. @ 29:
No, because Farakhan endorsed him. Therefore the UCC is a front! Why I bet they even fund the trerrorists! I bet Obamasama wants to get his hands on the US treasury so he can flood Iraq with cash and then "lose it" and let them trerrorist get their hands on it.... oh wait, didn't GW do that already? I say let the righty-tighties freak out about how Obama will take down the Union, then point out that GW et al have already done what they say Obama is gonna do!
Since I'm not a church goer, I have a question. Can a person who gives money to the church claim a deduction on their income taxes?
The Religious Right will probably brand the United Church of Christ as a Muslim organization.
pissed off patricia @ 33:
They can claim a deduction in their IQ.
It may be a good question, I hope the scenarians don't get to worked up about how the IRS must be doing something wrong by investigating churches. I've been advocating auditing them all in order to keep tax exemt status. OPEN BOOKS is my policy!!!!
Or could it be Obama's church is as corrupt as Oral Roberts? Hey I wouldn't think twice about investigating mega church crimes of theft from the peoples house of worship.
Here's the Church's take on the whole thing, it includes links to the speech Obama gave and more. I belong to the UCC too, the fact the IRS is coming after my denomination while others, which have more clearly violated the law are given a free pass, makes me quite upset.
Dale @ 35:
Just like any other recognized Charity.
CD @ 31:
Doesn't matter if they are Catholic or not. Same shit, different denomination. It's nothing more than a power grab, same as politics and they ALL should pay taxes. It's not like they don't have the money stolen from Grandma's retirement savings in their collection plates.
BobD @ 32:
Obama is a Christain - he comes from Muslim Roots - Father and Grandfather and Grandmother all Muslim.
I am bothered by all tax exemption for all religious organizations as that appears, to me, to be a violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." Specifically, failing to tax is known to have the same effect as making a donation. Indeed, public finance literature calls this practice "tax expenditures". A tax expenditure is not different in kind from a grant, which is clearly illegal under the Constitution. Taxing in the same manner as similarly situated entities (businesses) is neutral (equal to "mak[ing] no law... prohibiting the free exercise thereof"). Thus, I favor the elimination of all tax exemptions for all religious entities as unconstitutional.
ON the matter of unequal practices, it is an outrage that the Republicans so blatantly use the offices of government to advance their partisan purposes. Too bad Congress will not pass meaningful laws to criminalize such activities.
All churches should be taxed.
No exceptions.
What difference does it make what Obama's religion is. If Obama was baptist, methodist, or epischopal, the neo-cons would make an issue of that as well. The neo-cons don't have anything else and this is just more sniping. Obama is not Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or John Kerry - and the far-right are soon going to realize that.
ConcernedCanuck @ 39:
Oh yeah every denomination has a huge pedophiles problem.
Oh wait they don't.
danny @ 40:
The other side was Christian though.
and my understanding is that his birth father had no real use for religion as an adult.
Go to http://www.ucc.org/synod/video-archive.html and listen to Obama's speech. I think many people of faith even on the conservative side would be surprised how much they can relate to his religious experience. If you want to hear a wonderful speech absolutely damning the unchristian behavior of the current administration listen to Bill Moyers at the same reference.
Good! So, when does the IRS investigation of James Dobson's ministry and Focus on the Family begin?
CD @ 5:
Why is that bigotry? I'm a christian, and dont think the taxpayer should support churches. Look at it this way. Churches have been supported by the taxpayer and have been fabulously funded by the members for several centuries - yet - not one social issue has been successfully addressed by any church ... ever. Not hunger ... not poverty ... not homelessness ... nothing.
Stop the taxpayer funding ... Jesus claimed that wherever several people met was a place of worship - tabernacles, temples or cathedrals are uneeded.
jimijazz @ 43:
Thing is there aren't a shitload of Senators that are part of the UCC.
That's why the Repugs feel safe targeting the denomination.
anon @ 48:
He called for getting rid of all churchs.
IdahoMoe @ 6:
CD @ 5:
What a moronic comment! Shaddup!
I've been in churches where the Pastor talked openly about hoping for God to smite Saddam and help Bush. None of those churches get investigated. Only partisan witch hunts against the left is tolerated at the IRS.
This is a witch hunt. Dubya is going straight to hell.
Conservatives in America are going to start bleating like stuck pigs about the overreaching power of government they themselves created. There's no such thing as a small-government conservative any more, only assholes who plot how to steal taxpayer money and turn us into a third world corruptocracy.
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And yet the IRS doesn't touch Huckabee's address to his denominational congregation.
... Hummmmmmm...
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Haven't they also launched investigations against five other churches and those were republican mega church...The also launched an investigation last year of a church in California, but after the investigation they found the church did not violate their charter in supporting a democrat candidate. I suppose just because it is obama's church all the viagra poppers are starting to shout....
Billy Bob @ 41:
I've always agreed. This is especially true when the government gets to decide what is a valid religion and what isn't. "Catholic? Okay, you're a religion. Church of What's Happening Now? No, I don't think so. NEXT!" Psychedelic mushrooms are arguably the oldest recorded religion on the planet. All throughout Central and South America, archaeologists have found thousands of stone figurings shaped like mushrooms with the faces of gods and goddesses underneath the caps. Carbon dating puts them back as far as 40,000 years. But a mushroom eating church would immediately be dismissed by the government as merely an ulterior ploy for legalization.
So it's not just that churches get tax exempt status, the government actually gets to decide what qualifies as a religion. This is, by definition, the establishment of religion.
I dont see how this involves Obama.
Senators Daniel Akaka, Max Baucus, and Bob Graham are members of the UCC.
Hope that helps the Denomination.
The fact that a lot of churches get away with breaking tax laws does suck. However, this does not mean that none should be prosecuted for it. I would like to think that churches telling people how to vote is more of a republican thing... This type of logic is dangerous. The left really looses credability when it engages in the same type of hackery so many accuse the right of...
As an advocate of a secular society, I honestly think that all churches are evading taxes. As someone who has lost friends in the war, I think it is horrible for anyone to cheat on their taxes, especially during wartime.
anon @ 56:
They're hoping if Obama's denomination is discredited it will hurt Obama.
Dale @ 4:
OK, wiseass, here's a question for you. How? Would you throw all Christians, including the vast silent majority whom the media ignores in favor of the radicals into trenches the way previous radicals did to Jews? Would you, presumably in the name of Reason, order a Gulag and send the congregations and the ministers into it the way Stalin did? Would you include Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's churches in this, as well? Come on, Dale, let's hear it. Babi Yars? Gulags? Colosseums and lions?
Pick your device of eliminationalism.
That said, I look forward to the investigation of the Southern Baptist Convention, John Hagee, and all other Christian rightists who let the Republicans preach in their churches as well. What's good for the goose, after all, is also good for the gander....
Well,why don't they start with the Southern Baptist Conference of churches who have churches that instruct some of their parishoners on whom to vote for! How about the Catholic church,and their recommendations? Here's another suggestion-Just some interesting sidenotes on John Hagee. Are any of the readers familiar with the recent scandals involving Oral Robert’s University? Lawsuits re:lurid sex activity involving the pastor’s wife and political endorsements by Richard Roberts (Oral’s son and president of the university) resulted in his stepping down as president of said school.Another recently filed suit contends the University was running over a billion dollars through a side account at ORU ,yet the University claims to be in the red.Now,the Board of Regents included Pastors John Hagee,Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn,(the last three of whom are being investigated by Charles Grassley). Copeland endorsed Huckabee. Hagee, is also the head of Christians United For Israel. $1 Billion dollars worth of dirty laundry,perhaps?
27. On February 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm, Renell said:
fucking hypocrites........
the irs should go after ALL the evangelical churches and all the
white churches in the south. they obviously have intervened in
the last two elections with all their pamphlets and political meetings.
this has gone too far....the bush FASCIST STATE is CRIMINAL
CD @ 44:
In the interest of Christian-atheist dialogue, you're full of shit for the Christian side here. Southern Baptist ministers and Assemblies-affiliated ministers as well, have been busted repeatedly for pedophilia. And, it's not pedophiles, problem, it's pedophile (no s) problem.
CD @ 59:
Unless the charges are overwhelmingly proven and serious, this would be seen as an attack on the church of a black man - this is sacred territory. That would explode in their faces and take them all down.
Renell @ 61:
See my post at 60, specifically where I stated the same thing.
General_Rennenkampf @ 63:
That's still not every denomination.
Paul @ 26:
Exactly what I was going to post. I wonder if these stupid criminal morons even have a clue what may be in store for them, once chimpy no longer has his "executive order" pen. You would think that pissing off the next prez might be a seriously stupid mistake. But then, these are seriously stupid people.
But as my retired state cop cousin always says, "most criminals are dumb, yet they have the delusional characteristic of actually thinking they are smarter than everybody else."
anon @ 64:
By going after his church like this they have set a legal precident that I suspect will be the end of televangelism.
CD @ 57:
That proves it right there if senators are "members of the flock" cuz we know how honest politicians are...hahahaha...churches of any kind are a joke. I attended church for years, until one day one of the kids asked the minister about "aliens" and "ET". The response was only crazy people believe in that kind of stuff. He asked the kid if he'd ever saw an alien. The kid said no and the minister said, "see, how can they be real?"........well, when was the last time anyone got a look at God, Jehovah, Yawa, Midas or whatever you wanna call it? NEVER. That day was my last day giving my hard earned money to an organization like that. It is a cult following. Nothing more.
CD @ 68:
Good. It's fraud.
Best thing to do is help the church fight off the GOP lackies at the IRS:
https://secure.ga3.org/03/ucc_legal_fund
Before they go after Obama's church, they need to look into these criminal sleasebags.
Jakes, Osteen, Crouch, Meyer, Long, Schuller, Hayford, Stanley, Sekulow, Barnett, B. Graham, Hinn, Hagee, Kennedy, Dollar, White, Parsley � Paul Crouch, Jr.
and those are just a few. I didn't include all the "Bad Hair-do Crowd" of screamers who squinch their eyes up and pretend they are talking direct to Sky-Guy.
ConcernedCanuck @ 69:
So because the Minister didn't believe that aliens don't exist that proves that God(s) doesn't exist?
Bangkok Bob @ 72:
You forgot about Pat Robertson.
CD @ 74:
He's included in the squinky eyed group.
Two years ago there was a guy in a white shirt and tie with a bible in his hand screaming about god and jesus in the middle of Kohsarn Road, a group of people gathered around him and began to chant a Buddhist Mantra until he left, it was a beautiful sight.
ConcernedCanuck @ 69:
I hope you don't disbelieve in atoms, then. They are too small to see, and unless you are a physics student you won't come close to seeing them. Should we then disregard the atomic, specifically the current model, quantum mechanics, theory because only a few people have directly observed their existence and deign to share with us mere mortals the truth of them? By your standard, I should reject physics. I haven't seen any gravitons, protons, quarks, gluons, or neutrinos, so why should I believe it? Don't talk crap, and especially illogical crap and then expect it to go unchallenged.
CD @ 19:
IdahoMoe @ 2:
Pat "Diamond Mining" Robertson isn't just an asshole. He's a crook and a charlatan. I hardly think it's bigoted to audit any and all churches Why should they get special treatment as any other money making organization? Not only is the playing field level you stand a good chance of nabbing the crooks like Roberston, Falwell, Hinn, Copeland, Haggard, Swaggart, and on and on and on and on and on....
Ruthless People @ 78:
Certainly that churches should be tax-free was never in the intention of Joshua Ben Joseph, but then neither was this heretical blasphemy called the "Christian" Right.
Ruthless People @ 78:
You don't waste the tax payers money investigating unless you have evidence the investigatee has commited a crime.
CD @ 80:
They have Robertson and Hagee and all the Christian Right members dead to rights. Now, as to whether they'll also take down Jackson and Sharpton for it, I don't know.
We have had years of pulpit political speeches from the Evangelicals that, too my knowledge, have met with just one IRS investigation. The insiders will stop at nothing to stop this god given individual (Obama) from leading our nation when he is truly most relevant.
General_Rennenkampf @ 77:
Don't lecture fellow posters when you can't understand their post. Period. I will spell it out because sometimes I forget how dense people are (no offense, but I am constantly amused how this has to be done on blogs).........I pointed out the hypocrisy and stupidity of a minister that said "DON"T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING YOU DON'T SEE except GOD"........what part of that do you not understand? Don't talk crap at poster unless you can grasp what they are saying, k?
I saw someone post something this week who lives in Texas. He said he got a robo-call from Hagee for McCain. If Rev.John Hagee could go out and Robo-call people, why couldn't Obama speak inside his church?
Paul @ 26:
The only obvious thing in this post is that you have lost your mind....come on now, the IRS decides to start doing their job and it is because they are plotting and planning against Obama? lmao
The fact that this article was written, shows the love for Obama by the author. Obama sure is lucky he always has one of his flock to do his dirty work. Poor Barry, what did he ever do, why are they picking on him.....ever the victim.
CD @ 80:
I don't want it one sided either. Like when Ken Starr wasted taxpayer money investigating Whitewater and when he couldn't find anything nailed Clinton with Lewinsky. I'd rather my tax dollars be "wasted" going after crooked Republicans than innocent Democrats.
So when they were going after the fundamentalist it was ok?
the bush admin and the gop hates the ucc. obama's church is in the ucc. they openly accept people regardless of race or sexual orientation, and they allow women and married clergy.
not all christians are created equal, some are created progressive and compassionate.
General : Please look at the post times-they are identical,2:10 P.S.T.- I remarked to my husband how odd that I and another person should post such similar thoughts at the same moment!
I am a member of the UCC and I was at the Synod in Hartford, CT where Obama spoke. It was in no way a political speech. Obama spoke of his spiritual journey and how the United Church of Christ had taught him that standing up for social, economic and civil justice for ALL people was the most fundamental of Christian teachings no matter what the fundamentalists might say.
The audience was instructed that this would NOT be a political rally and that we were not to bring ANY political paraphernalia into the building. Volunteers with the Obama campaign were required to stay outside of the building.
One more very important point to bring up. Obama was invited and accepted the invitation to speak a year before he declared his candidacy.
This MOST CERTAINLY is a political ploy and an attempt to intimidate the liberal, progressive UCC who isn't affraid to stand up to the right-wing domestic and foreign policies of our government that favor corporations over people and divide rather than unite humanity.
This is the latest attack on the UCC by the ultra right-wing, fundamentalist Institute for Religion and Democracy. We've survived their previous assaults and we will survive and thrive after this one.
They are trying to bankrupt us with legal costs to fight this bogus investigation. Anyone interested in contributing to the legal defense can go to ucc.org for more information.
sassafra, we also passed a resolution in 2005 in support of FULL marriage equality, both legal and spiritual, for gays and lesbians.
That's why the fundies and the Republicans hate us.
Oh, by the way, you can view Obama's full speech to the UCC's Hartford Synod at the UCC.org site.
It's certainly not like we were trying to hide anything.
I challenge anyone to find anything in his speech that crossed the line.
I wonder if the Southern Baptist Convention will be investigated next for the campaign speeches that Huckabee has been giving at numerous Baptist churches over the last few months. Somehow I doubt it.
Too many people are fooling themselves that Obama's speech at the United Church of Christ General Synod wasn't political... but it had everything to do with his political campaign. This is from the UCC website with the headline:
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Obama's Synod speech will be 'first major address on faith and politics as presidential candidate':
Joshua DuBois, the Obama campaign's director of religious affairs, said the senator's Synod speech on Saturday will be his first major address on faith and politics as a presidential candidate.
The address, DuBois said, will combine personal details about Obama's religious experiences with prescriptions for how religious Americans might put their faith into action.
It will also focus on "the growing movement of people of faith" from a variety of traditions, "coming together around our connections as a people and using those connections to address our common challenges," DuBois said.
Shaun Casey, an adviser to the Obama campaign and a professor of ethics at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., said he expects the address to be "as detailed an account of how a person's faith shapes his policies as I have seen from any presidential candidate."
~~
There is no doubt about it: the speech was clearly part of Obama's campaign.
Of course the repub IRS is after him. If they were equal opportunity harrassors they would go after any politician who spoke in a Black church, or LTG Boykin (a uniformed politician and agent for the administration for his prosletizing that his god was bigger than anothers and while they are at it disenfranchise the Baptist and Mormon Churchs for Huckabee and Romney's political prosletizing, or the Catholic Church in South Dakota for distributing anti-abortion ballot petitions in churches.
ConcernedCanuck @ 83:
Hey, that is not what you said. You said a minister said not to believe in anything you see, except God. The minister would counter with people did see God the Son in the form of Jesus Christ, and hence that argument is moot. And if you left a Church for no other reason other than the Pastor said you couldn't see aliens and you can't see God, then you never had faith.
I won't waste my time with conversion, but what you said is not logical. That a pastor doesn't believe in aliens because he has not seen them does not equal that churches are cults. It simply means the pastor made a poor word choice and you were looking for any way out. I guess this talk of tolerance from the Left applies with the exception of people who are Christian, Muslim, or Jewish, right? If you believe in an Abrahamic faith it's a cult?
Please, like Atheism is any better.
drew @ 93:
I presume you are just as outraged about Mike Huckabee and Willard Romney, no? Not even a little bit? *crickets chirping.*
Justice Sunday ! . . . a nationally coordinated event(s) wherein prominent Reublican politicians gave politicial speeches in churches across the country
If the IRS is going to pull this kind of shit, they need to be going after Hillary, Bush McCain, Bill and all the rest of these ass holes that have spoken before congregations.
It is not against the law to speak before these people and they know this. It is against the law for them to endorse him on the church premises, like the jack leg minister in New Hampshire did for Hillary, remember.
---------------------------------COMMENT 93 IS RIGHT ON THE MARK----------------------------------
A poster said: This is a good for Obama because it emphasizes his Christian background and dispels his Muslim* connection.
Go Obama!
*There's isn't a damn thing wrong with being a Muslim.
After reading a few comments I have to say a lot of people believe that churches, synagoge, temples and mosques don't pay taxes. This is WRONG. They all pay taxes. They all file tax returns.
right on! @ 16:
Right On!
How cool, one fake entity going after another fake entity. Religion is a farce and so is the IRS, the IRS is not even part of our country. They aren't located in the USA they are are based in the Virgin Islands and the Cayman's, wake the fuck up people. Or are you really called Sheople......
One more thing, fuck the IRS
anon @ 48:
The "investigation" is a part of the mirrors, lights and smoke of the magic of information or rather misinformation that is used to fire up pea brains like you. It will be useful, kinda like a glitch in a voting machine. Except with pea-brains who blither, give them something so they can act against their own real interest when the time is needed. You know, like voting. Like just about at least fifty-percent of the nations pea brains, from the middle-class pea-brains to the angry pea-brained trailer-trash bar room fighters, did in the last election for president. You know, elect someone who made them FEEL GOOD! Didn't matter if he really, really did, does it?
It doesn't matter to them if what they are programming into you is true or not. And by "they," I mean the Republican misinformation bureau. You know, like the Nazis misinformation campaign that Commandante Bill-Oh and the department of FAUX NEWS, the true Nazis, are waging now to throw pea brains off, to misdirect you from really getting it. You know? Getting who the real, real-real nazis among us are by being able to compare what the real nazis did when they were demanding allegiance to the flag and nazi lapel pins and to the military.
They call the Huffington Report nazi and it doesn't matter if its true or not, just get that "information" out there so the pea-brained legions will be able to repeat it and talk shit about it as if its a fact. A fact that in your level of existence is easily justifiable for the sake of a pea-brained argument. You know, like Obama wanting to only swear in on the Koran when he make president.
That way the real, real-real nazis hope they might not get noticed accidentally and exposed as the real Nazis. There's mounting mountains of misinformation that they have thrown out there for you to feast on in the past and it could come back to haunt them but they'll take their chances.
They hope you won't see their continuous and unflappable acts of really Nazi-like behaviors in comparison to the things real nazis did. And that by the way is another mirror their reflecting in your face. You know, in your face! And they laugh because they know they got you and you laugh because you think you got it!
If your gonna quote Jesus, then walk the walk don't just talk the talk! Its not about churches its about linking lies with facts so you can miss the point and act accordingly.
Did not McCain give speeches at r
obertson place and recently at Hagee's pad ???????
When I see them investigate the 700 Club THEN I'll believe it's about the law and not about political pressure.
The IRS law is Unconstitutional in the first place. It's interfering in Religious Civil matters which the Constitution completely forbids.
Telling a Preacher or anyone else what he can of can not say in a religious service violates not only his freedom of speech but issues of separation of church and state.
http://www.ucc.org/news/pdf/lettrirs.pdf
The MSM and 'sphere are doing a poor job of reporting on this issue. Obama is not being targeted for giving a speech at this convention, much less for the content of it. Plain and simple, the IRS is conducting the investigation because there is reason to believe church resources were used to advance Obama's political campaign.
We all know black churches are just dripping with money.
Peaceful easy feeling, so I guess you have some information that NO ONE ELSE has? Can you back your assetion up with some sources, documentation or reported facts?
That is a complete and utter load of crap and you know it.
If the IRS is REALLY concerned about churches who are involved in political campaigns, ENDORSING candidates and financial assisting campaigns through church rallies and calls to action, the UCC is the LAST church that should be investigated.
As the son of a Southern Baptist preacher I can tell you that the SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION is the FIRST place the IRS should direct their inquiries.
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