Mid Day Open Thread

From Real Time Overtime, the web-exclusive portion of Real Time with Bill Maher with panel Robert Klein, Tavis Smiley, Robin Wright and Dan Savage.



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Whehehey, fristola!

GIRARDVILLE, Pa. - Former President Clinton said Saturday that Democrats calling for his wife to drop out of the presidential race should "just relax" and let the remaining states vote.

Nice thought anyway in our caffeinated, delusion chasing, and media hyped society Bill.

Nothing subtle or relaxed about desperate herds on a rampage.

Hillary Seeks Cheney’s Counsel for Response to Patrick Leahy

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1667

I heard on NPR yesterday that the Police in Baghdad had taken off their uniforms and defected which is why thew checkpoints are being guarded by soldiers (i guess if there is a three day 24/7 curfew and checkpoints that is proof positive the Surge is working).

In Basra the Iraqi Military are taking off their uniforms and defecting.

Shiite Militias Cling to Swaths of Basra and Stage Raids:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/world/middleeast/30iraq.html?_r=1&hp&o...

Have no fear, if McCain gets elected we should be out in 95 years.

I comb my hair like Bill Maher.

You've heard of "mortgage rescue" scams ... but have you heard about the latest twist on the concept--as in "Emotional Mortgage Rescue"?

7 The Real Hussein Says: I comb my hair like Bill Maher.

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I hope you have more than he does.

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 9:

7

I hope you have more than he does.

A little but I could be heading down that alley soon enough.

Dan Savage?

Yawn.

Sex columnist turned political pundit.

Depressing.

Not only is McCain too angry, too Bush like, and too dumb, he is simply TOO OLD to be trusted to lead and protect this nation in these complex times

"They say" that the 7 months of relative stability ("surge") is coming to an end, as al-Sadr is no longer agreeing to the ceasefire, and this is going to last A WHILE.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. forces bombed Basra on Saturday as about 40 Iraqi police commandos based in Baghdad deserted to join the Mehdi Army.

British forces were shelling in Basra on Saturday as U.S. jets dropped two bombs on a suspected Shiite militia stronghold in the area, according to a British military spokesman.

"We are aware of reports of incidents in the Basra area resulting in civilian casualties. We are investigating the reports and do not have any further details at this time," Holloway said.

The U.S. military said Saturday that it was investigating reports that a coalition warplane fired on a home in western Basra and killed several civilians.

I watched Real Time last night and was disgusted by Bill Maher who is completely infected with Obamaitis and like too many of Obama's supporters it causes non-stop irrational trashing of Clinton. Maybe the cure will only come from Obama dropping out of the race. That makes as much sense as asking Hillary to drop out.
Robert Klein was hilarious and a very good guest.

I have to agree with Tavis. This nation has gone too long without hearing about the real issues. From Corporations who want to rule the world to problems that plague the inner city neighborhoods. Hey Tavis, you're not the only one feeling this way. That's why none of the major candidates take my vote. Nader '08, anybody?

McCain linked to credit crisis!

Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more then $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs.

Gramm did not respond to an e-mail, and was unavailable for comment, according to a UBS spokesman. The bank has no official position on the subprime crisis, the spokesman said, but is a member of the Financial Services Roundtable and other industry groups that are actively lobbying Congress on the issue.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html

tavis is wrong

had obama shown up for that symposium, his campaign would have been dead on arrival

he wouldve been labled the black candidate, and many of the speeches wouldve been played ad infinitum on faux news....

no one is asking tavis to vote for obama because he is black....that is in tavis' mind

[[[[4 Don Davis Says]]]]]: Hillary Seeks Cheney’s Counsel for Response to Patrick Leahy

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1667

*===>>If Dick Cheney said such to me, I'd wear it as a badge of honour, evermore. Dick is such a perfect name for him, too, isn't it?

I'm not following all the who should drop out, who should stay "stuff". I thought, where elections are held, you tally the vote count, once everyone has had the opportunity to vote. Isn't that the WHOLE point??? If it's rough on the party, that's unfortunate, but that is the process. Am I wrong?

IraqNam explodes and the media ignores it basically. This is just the beginning. Iraqis are fed up. Osama BinHiding is right. American blood being spilled will mean withdrawal when the images are FINALLY shown. Just look at the anger over 4000 dead. Incredible. Now amplify that by millions and you have the feeling of Iraq. Except a simple election won't make 'em happy. Their world's have been destroyed for????????????

Travis, go with McCain and yell at the kids on the lawn.

The Real Hussein @ 7:

I comb my hair like Bill Maher.

just be sure to use a mirror to look at the top of your head...
when bill bent his head down to read, not a pretty thing...

and, there comes a time, you will know it, with that mirror,
when a combover is no longer an option... k?

you are a real man!

I think we should pick a leader the same way we pick Miss America. Each state come up with their own candidate, and enter all together at the national level, and score them base on TV presence with a teleprompter, and question base on what your biggest wish for America. How well would they look in the underwear if caught with an intern with their pants down, down the runway. Also include a talent show for how well they would look in public and not look foolish dancing and guitar playing with diplomats from other country.

And disqualify them for questionable past behavior. I think we are more discerning when picking Miss America than we are for picking president. Although I would most likely want to have a few beers with all of the candidate of Miss America, before I ever want to have a few with Bush.

Mike Mid City @ 21:

Travis, go with McCain and yell at the kids on the lawn.

Who the fuck is 'Travis'

23 paranoia

Media reports prove Clusterf*ck to the WhiteHouse 2008's deciding overall "most important" to voters is..........Bullshit.

Uncle Joe @ 17

So if he had shown up for Tavis Smiley's symposium as Hillary did then he would have been labled the "Black Candidate"? Oh the Horror! So him being black was a secret and he would have been exposed? Oh Please!

The surge is still wurkin' with the help of the corporate MSM....just drag it out past 08 election.

i'll try this here... after reading bluesage... a repost from the VP thread, with some hindsight added:

while i am an OBAMA backer, originally EDWARDS, i want to say that the only reason i did not want hillary to even run is because of clinton fatigue, and all the baggage she would bring along…

that said, her campaigning lately is a complete turn off… i don’t necessarily want her to drop out of this race…
I WANT HER TO STOP ACTING LIKE A DISGUSTING, LYING,
CHEATING, ROVIAN REPUBLICAN…

i want to respect the clintons again... i spent a lot ot time and energy defending them against that "vast right wing conspiricy"...
never ever thought they would join that club.

that’s all…

Arthurstone @ 11:

Dan Savage?

Yawn.

Sex columnist turned political pundit.

Depressing.

YAWN
arthurstone having an original thought.

The Walmart fiasco (suing former employee to regain $400K+ in health care costs) hits NBC Nightly Snooze. At least some will see it.

katy @ 28

Many would say that this whole "Clinton acting badly" story is coming from the Obama camp with the Obama apologist and appeasers in the media. If you really believe that the Clintons have joined the "vast right-wing conspiracy" and that they are really racist and evil and all the other crap coming from the Obama camp and their supporters then you have truly been brain-washed.

We know what they will throw at Hillary Clinton, they have been throwing it for the past 16 years and she is still standing strong.

We don't really know all the baggage that Obama has because everyone is too damn afraid to look at him and ask him anything but I guarantee we will know what it is when we get to the General if he is the nominee. Many people are uncomfortable with what we don't know about Obama. Right now the press is giving him a pass but they will soon enough move back into their love affair with McCrazy and the Democrat better be strong enough to take what they will throw at them. We know that Clinton is and, for the record, I also was a strong supporter of Edwards and was very disappointed when he left the race.

29/03/08 -- - MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.

"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.

He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost."

He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the near future.

A new U.S. carrier battle group has been dispatched to the Gulf.

The USS John C. Stennis, with a crew of 3,200 and around 80 fixed-wing aircraft, including F/A-18 Hornet and Superhornet fighter-bombers, eight support ships and four nuclear submarines are heading for the Gulf, where a similar group led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has been deployed since December 2006.

"Many people are uncomfortable with what we don’t know about Obama. Right now the press is giving him a pass "

Really? I'm pretty sure that the Rev. Wright thing's been dominating the airwaves.

Sure, maybe Obama hadn't been attacked vigorously prior to that, but maybe that is because there wasn't much to attack? I'm just asking.

And if Obama's getting raked over the coals on The View, of all places, I think it's safe to say there's been ample media coverage of it. Lord knows Hassleback doesn't spend all day reading newspapers.

How did this meme about getting a "free pass" come about, anyway?

L.A. Confidential @ 32:

29/03/08 -- - MOSCOW, March 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian military intelligence services are reporting a flurry of activity by U.S. Armed Forces near Iran's borders, a high-ranking security source said Tuesday.

"The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran," the official said, adding that the Pentagon has probably not yet made a final decision as to when an attack will be launched.

He said the Pentagon is looking for a way to deliver a strike against Iran "that would enable the Americans to bring the country to its knees at minimal cost."

He also said the U.S. Naval presence in the Persian Gulf has for the first time in the past four years reached the level that existed shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.

Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy of Geopolitical Sciences, said last week that the Pentagon is planning to deliver a massive air strike on Iran's military infrastructure in the near future.

A new U.S. carrier battle group has been dispatched to the Gulf.

The USS John C. Stennis, with a crew of 3,200 and around 80 fixed-wing aircraft, including F/A-18 Hornet and Superhornet fighter-bombers, eight support ships and four nuclear submarines are heading for the Gulf, where a similar group led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has been deployed since December 2006.

just after the last warship left the seattle area heading for the persian gulf, i said that
this smacks of war preparations. i said that bush/cheney are determined to start a war
with iran and attack them without provocation.

bush and cheney should have their balls cut off and stuffed up their butts for all the lies
and deceptions and crimes they have and are committing in the name of U S peace.
bush and cheney are two fucking fascists dictators. IMPEACH NOW !!!!!

dadams @ 34:

Time is rapidly running out for the neocons to make their move. I got a real bad feeling this isn't going to turn out to well.

I hope I'm wrong

L.A. Confidential @ 35:

dadams @ 34:

Time is rapidly running out for the neocons to make their move. I got a real bad feeling this isn't going to turn out to well.

I hope I'm wrong

blackwater moves hdqts to the carribean and changes their name
bush's directive 51
politicizing of the entire govt here
destrution of civil liberties
troop and equipment movement to and around iran
the neocons are planning more than iran, they want to take control of the USA too.

these are not dreams, they are waking nightmares.
when the general public has an epiphany, the game will be over.

File this under "Heckuva Job":

http://tinyurl.com/2qwbrt

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for Katrina victims. But hey! Bear Stearns doesn't have to pay back the billions it received. What was that about privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

garbotty says @ 33

Yes, they have been covering the Rev. Wright story but always with a "it's no big deal - move along now" twist. Even guys like Cafferty and Olbermann have been infected by the kool-aid and are turning themselves inside out to explain away any questions about Obama or Rev. Wright. And all the while the Hillary Hatred from all of them marches on. It really is surreal how this Obamamania has taken hold and no one questions anything about this Sainted Man.

Well, this is why some of us push so hard for impeachment, because in spite of what most politician say that having an impeachment would cost us wasted time from doing what we could be doing, will end up doing nothing because of a new war. We just had a General fired for not toeing the line in support of going to war with Iran. That would have been the strongest clue that we are in fact going to war with Iran.

I would welcome any coalition force to come and save us from ourselves and our imperialistic empire. The German people have at one time reach a point where all the rights were taken away, and it took outside force to save the people and their country. When you take away the freedom to govern themselves, you take away the small revolutionary changes and bring about dangerous catastrophic changes. This nation lasted as long as it did because of the small peaceful revolutionary changes thru self governing.

Majority of the people do not want to go to war with Iran, and if we do end up going to war with them, that I fear we will have a dangerous revolutionary change in this country. Please tell me I am wrong.

garbotty says @ 33

Oh, and the Obama getting a free pass meme started with Obama getting a free pass. If you don't or can't see that then you are not accepting the reality of this situation.

I think maybe Obama is seemingly getting a free pass because of all the things he is being criticize for are not about him, but about people or place he been to. That seem to be the best they got on him in spite of a break in of his personal file.

He heard it, he didn't hear it, he wasn't there, he was there, he would have have stayed, he would have left....the sound of someone talking out of both sides of their mouth.

"Majority of the people do not want to go to war with Iran, and if we do end up going to war with them, that I fear we will have a dangerous revolutionary change in this country. Please tell me I am wrong."

You are not wrong; I will be among the revolutionaries, pitchfork in hand.

Check this out.

"On March 29, 2008 at 8 p.m., join millions of people around the world in making a statement about climate change by turning off your lights for Earth Hour, an event created by the World Wildlife Fund...

We invite everyone throughout North America and around the world to turn off the lights for an hour starting at 8 p.m. (your own local time)–whether at home or at work, with friends and family or solo, in a big city or a small town...

Join people all around the world in showing that you care about our planet and want to play a part in helping to fight climate change."

http://www5.earthhourus.org/

Starts in half an hour on the east coast.

navyswan @ 44:

Check this out.

"On March 29, 2008 at 8 p.m., join millions of people around the world in making a statement about climate change by turning off your lights for Earth Hour, an event created by the World Wildlife Fund...

We invite everyone throughout North America and around the world to turn off the lights for an hour starting at 8 p.m. (your own local time)–whether at home or at work, with friends and family or solo, in a big city or a small town...

Join people all around the world in showing that you care about our planet and want to play a part in helping to fight climate change."

http://www5.earthhourus.org/

Starts in half an hour on the east coast.

Oddly, MSM has been quiet about this being observed worldwide, except to talk about the cities, primarily Sydney, in which it has already occurred. What a shock...

I wish the Press would cover Bush's Directive 51 and what it would mean to the cities in America if this was ever implemented. I wish more in the Media had the freedom and ability to connect the dots and write some investigative pieces on the fact that Canadian troops can now patrol within the borders of America in the case of emergency etc. Sept. 11th really screwed us up policy wise. The Patriot ACt, etc etc etc..

Orangutan. @ 46:

I wish the Press would cover Bush's Directive 51 and what it would mean to the cities in America if this was ever implemented. I wish more in the Media had the freedom and ability to connect the dots and write some investigative pieces on the fact that Canadian troops can now patrol within the borders of America in the case of emergency etc. Sept. 11th really screwed us up policy wise. The Patriot ACt, etc etc etc..

the press is fully aware but............they don't want to lose their jobs or
be labeled enemy combattants or terrorists, which is exactly what the fucking
bushco will do.

What Tavis was saying is the media has given Obama a free ride to the White House, and the America will suffer. Obama will finish the job George Bush started, the destruction of our country, he has no business in the White House, the outhouse maybe but not the White House.

Kudzu @ 48:

What Tavis was saying is the media has given Obama a free ride to the White House, and the America will suffer. Obama will finish the job George Bush started, the destruction of our country, he has no business in the White House, the outhouse maybe but not the White House.

had your brain frying in a skillet lately........more lies from the gop ass-kissers

Bluesage @ 31:

katy @ 28

Many would say that this whole "Clinton acting badly" story is coming from the Obama camp with the Obama apologist and appeasers in the media. If you really believe that the Clintons have joined the "vast right-wing conspiracy" and that they blahblahblah...

are you kidding?!? i couldn't even read past that...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/185608.php

[...] Now obviously, Hillary's been in the political big leagues for a while. She knows how to deflect a question. But it's actually much richer than this. This afternoon Greg Sargent and I were talking this over and one of us realized that this wasn't just any Pittsburgh paper. It was the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the money-losing, vanity, fringe sheet of Richard Mellon Scaife, funder of the Arkansas Project, the American Spectator during its prime Clinton-hunting years and virtually every right-wing operation of note at one point or another over the last twenty years or more.

In fact, what I only discovered late this evening, when Eric Kleefeld sent me this link at National Review Online, is that not only was it Scaife's paper. Scaife himself was there sitting just to Clinton's right apparently taking part in the questioning.[...]

... and so much more, but that would be wasted energy, i'm sure...

it's coming from right outta the clinton camp and you and everybody else knows it... get real...

'nuff said.

Ever since C&L has been using YouTube as a video source I have been unable to watch a clip all the way through. About 20% through it stops, and will not go through to the end. Has happened with the last 100% of videos from this source.

Anyone else have the same problem? If so, any solutions? Sorry, no commentary regarding this clip, as I only got to see a portion of it...

Maher needs to admit he was wrong to support McCain. He's always giving the guy little plugs.

Ex-Canuck @ 51:

Ever since C&L has been using YouTube as a video source I have been unable to watch a clip all the way through. About 20% through it stops, and will not go through to the end. Has happened with the last 100% of videos from this source.

Anyone else have the same problem? If so, any solutions? Sorry, no commentary regarding this clip, as I only got to see a portion of it...

i don't have this problem, but i just use the C&L link to go direct to this youtube item
and watch it on youtube. this also gives me any associated videos available.

if you look at the rhetoric being used by other world leaders around the world, whether it’s Vladimir Putin or whether it’s Sarkozy or whether it’s Hugo Chavez, are there drastically different tactics of the same sort of the approach being used right now? Or are they sort of all following this model, just sort of blitzing the same idea over and over until people don’t particularly listen, I think?

NC: Well, it’s a mistake to expect anything from leaders other than attempts to expand their power and control and domination. They differ, you know. But as soon as you mention the word “leader,” you should shutter and look somewhere else. In a free society you might have representatives but you wouldn’t have leaders.
So, let’s imagine that this was really functioning: we are in the primary season. What would a democratic primary be? Say, take New Hampshire. It wouldn’t be (that) a candidate comes into a town and says…tells you lies about themselves. What would happen if the people in the town would get together and say look, we worked out the programs they want the next president to follow, and then if somebody wants to come in to be elected and they’d say OK, you can come, here’s what we want you to do. If you are willing to do that, maybe we will vote for you. If you are not, we’re not willing to vote for you. And there should be mechanisms to ensure that they do it or else you throw them out. But the way we do is quite different. The leaders come, they tell you what they present themselves usually falsely, and you’re then to decide whether you want him or you don’t want him. But that’s completely backwards from what a functioning democratic society would be. So when you talk about leaders, you have to shiver.

the above was from a discussion between Noam Chomsky and Alex Green:

http://readingchomsky.blogspot.com/2008/03/book-tv-c-span2-january-17-20...

Tavis is absolutely right! We're so cynical that at this point we expect to be lied to, or we're more interested in who CAN win, that we don't try to help the people who advocate what we believe TO win.

It's pathetic and is the reason why this election I don't care who wins the presidency because all of those running have been dishonest in some way. I can no longer stand Hillary. McCain... nothing more needs to be said about why he's unacceptable. Obama I'll defend because I understand the origins of much of the criticism about him comes from, however what the issues on which he really needs to be criticized are ignored.

It's all a big mess and nothing will magically change no matter which of the current candidates get into office. In fact, I believe we're more prepared to weather the storm should things take a dramatic turn for the worse than those who feel so incredibly vested in one candidate or another.

What fools we be if Carl Rowe's playbook to divide and conquer the democrats can work so well, with none of us the wiser. Would you rather have george bush or Sen Hillary Clinton? now was that so hard. And with out the republicans and fox noise, how much clinton fatigue would there be? It is not a fight when ass-holes attack and the Clintons defend themselves -- it is assault and battery. Matt Drudge or Robert Novak give memos or comments (from inside the clinton machine) to the press and obama and axelrod respond like it is fucking the truth. ARE YA KIDDING ME. 1st. Hillary had dirt on obama (novak) and was waiting to drop the bomb; obama came out swinging. 2nd Bill Clinton had a race memo passed around in South Carolina -- obama and team again outraged. This was a total crock of shit; and if obama does run against McCain, I believe the repubs will turn this sucker on its head and blame the whole shit and kaboddle on obama. Either the obama team is just so new to this or they are naive; 'cause while so many obama fans hate Hillary for all the evil of the world, the organizations that are coming for obama are just laying the predicate for their assults in the fall.

What I found interesting was Smiley's statement that the US government's involvement in the MLK assassination was "arguable".Maher then called Smiley a "nut",with a "just kidding" added.

i caught that too, SJD...

i also rather liked his "Racial Arsonist" tag... he used it when talking about pat buchanan, but it fits so very many wingers...

Maher is always real quick to call anyone a nut that questions the official story whether it be 9/11 or any other controversial topic.

SJD @ 58:

What I found interesting was Smiley's statement that the US government's involvement in the MLK assassination was "arguable".Maher then called Smiley a "nut",with a "just kidding" added.

Yeah, Tavis' assertion that "they" killed him is something on par with Rev. Wright's assertion that America played a part in why 9/11 happened: a truth many Americans do not want to hear.

Does anybody care what Tavis Smiley has to say? Raise your hand if you have ever watched his talk show all the way through. No hands? Thought so.

I watched the state of the Black Union on You-Tube and besides the funny stuff from Dick Gregory. Those people were all out to lunch. Rev. Wright problem multiplied by twenty.

BTW, Dan Savage is creepy and I don't don't know what he adds to the discussion. His field is more fudge related.

.

Where is the "TRUTH TELLER?"

Silenced and ridiculed by B. Maher back in Jan.

LOL
Paid da bills on dat one... NO?

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bluesage @39

The reason people are saying the Rev. Wright thing is "no big deal" is because it is no big deal. It's on par with the "General Betrayus" uproar. Wright said some stuff that was inflammatory, but in essence wasn't too far from the truth.

Besides, if we want to get into the candidates courting crazy religious folks, Barack's relationship with Wright is pretty tame compared to the McCain-Hagee-Liberty University thing and much less scary than Hillary's involvement with
"The Family."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorat...

bluesage @ 40

"Oh, and the Obama getting a free pass meme started with Obama getting a free pass. If you don’t or can’t see that then you are not accepting the reality of this situation."

Well, that's why I asked. What should Obama have been criticized about, that the media is ignoring? I wanted you to actually come up with some sort of evidence to convince me that's what's happening.

There's no question that the media hasn't asked been asking too many critical questions about policy, but that's more or less been the case across the board. If I'm presented with some evidence that Obama has endured special treatment, then I'd be happy to believe you. In the meantime, all I'm thinking about is all the "Hillary is inevitable" articles/news pieces and all of the "Obama-Osama" mixups I saw for months and months prior to when actual voting began.

Mainly, when I hear people say "Obama is getting a free pass", it's usually from a Clinton fan who is upset that someone is critical of Clinton. Usually, though, the criticism is centered on Clinton's negative campaigning. It goes something like this:

Clinton Campaign: "Obama isn't patriotic. And is inexperienced. And is a Messiah-figure"
Media: "Clinton is engaging in Rovian tactics"
Clinton Supporters "Why is the Media being critical of Clinton? How come Obama always gets a free pass?"

miss_kitty Hussein @ 24:

Mike Mid City @ 21:

Travis, go with McCain and yell at the kids on the lawn.

Who the fuck is 'Travis'

miss kitty, does your browser have a "find" function? Yes? Then use it. Oh and listening to the video would also be enlightening for you.

["Find" function or no, "Travis" was a typo. His name is spelled T-a-v-i-s. There's no "r" in there. Site Monitor]

Space Ghost Hussein @ 62:

Does anybody care what Tavis Smiley has to say? Raise your hand if you have ever watched his talk show all the way through. No hands? Thought so.

I watched the state of the Black Union on You-Tube and besides the funny stuff from Dick Gregory. Those people were all out to lunch. Rev. Wright problem multiplied by twenty.

BTW, Dan Savage is creepy and I don't don't know what he adds to the discussion. His field is more fudge related.

Uh,apparently wey do care what Tavis has to say considering he has his own show. He started out on radio and has had a steady upward trajectory ever since. Many people of African descent watch the State of the Black Union and the book it produced, The Covenant with Black America, became a best seller in 2006. I'm sure you didn't know that because most of the political issues Black folks discuss with each other are things that white people think is blasphemous against these united states because it is the critical truth, as opposed to the Pat Buchanan style obsequious blather that people like you prefer to hear. I suppose that's why you say the SOTBU is full of Rev. Wrights multiplied. *lol*

We like it like that!

Bill hates hates hates regilion; fact. He never passes up a chance to bang the drum on this theme. So, why did the Rev Wright get a pass, nada, no big thing? Just to get a cheap laugh, if nothing else; but no. He has every right to pic a candidate, like oprah; but do so, don't play coy.

Glinda @ 65:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 24:

Mike Mid City @ 21:

Travis, go with McCain and yell at the kids on the lawn.

Who the fuck is 'Travis'

miss kitty, does your browser have a "find" function? Yes? Then use it. Oh and listening to the video would also be enlightening for you.

["Find" function or no, "Travis" was a typo. His name is spelled T-a-v-i-s. There's no "r" in there. Site Monitor]

'Tavis' was not a typo. The guy was not bright enough to know the guy's real name. Then his equally brilliant wife Glinda, who didn't understand my comment was a dig at Mike in Midcity for not knowing Mr. Smiley's first name, came down on me like I was stupid.

Maybe YOU should listen to the video yourself. I did, but have listened to Tavis Smiley for years, and didn't NEED to listen to the vid to know what his real name was.
Or you could read the blurb under the pretty picture:
"From Real Time Overtime, the web-exclusive portion of Real Time with Bill Maher with panel Robert Klein, Tavis Smiley, Robin Wright and Dan Savage"

Thanks for playing.

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