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h/t Driftglass, who celebrated his 1500th post this week.

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bullfrog's picture

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Speaking of the black/white cultural divide, Famed Photog Annie Leibovitz Captures the ‘Essence’ of Hillary’s Negative Campaign

http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1773

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Great scene from a pretty good movie. Lots of fathers and sons have had that battle, even if it wasn't on that particular subject.

The problem with Sydney's fiancee in that movie was that she was dingy. That's why he shouldn't have married her. Not her skin color.

I had a conversation about the 30 year perspective difference with my dad the other day. It wasn't that heated, but the heat had come before. Sometimes those worlds will never meet.

lafin gas's picture

When will people realize that racism is just a pigment of their imagination?

lafin gas's picture

And some people judge others for the jeans they have! :-)

StirFry's picture

My dad would have thrown his shoe at me.

Otay's picture

Have you folks read up on the group of evangelicals tying themselves into the highest level of government, and calling themselves The Family? I just read the following, and it's pretty frightening, but helps explain why our government is becoming more Christianist:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

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Mary Tillman sounded entirely convincing as well as poised and even restrained in the face of what she has gone thru in tonights interview with Couric. I especially liked that Ranger's words in describing what Pat would have said about the administration exploiting his death for publicity: "This is criminal"

Not mentioned in the interview is that is what he said of the Iraq war too

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Otay @ 7:

Have you folks read up on the group of evangelicals tying themselves into the highest level of government, and calling themselves The Family? I just read the following, and it's pretty frightening, but helps explain why our government is becoming more Christianist:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

Isn't it amazing how some people who object to the concept of guilt by association (an objection which I heartily second) turn around and do the same thing. The term for such a person is,I believe, hypocrite.

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Peter G @ 9:

Otay @ 7:

Have you folks read up on the group of evangelicals tying themselves into the highest level of government, and calling themselves The Family? I just read the following, and it's pretty frightening, but helps explain why our government is becoming more Christianist:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich

Isn't it amazing how some people who object to the concept of guilt by association (an objection which I heartily second) turn around and do the same thing. The term for such a person is,I believe, hypocrite.

True. I would not be surprised if some of the highest executives of our media are members of the Family.

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Powerful!

I just happen to be watching "West Side Story" tonight...and I'll tell you....cinema has really degenerated into "cheap tricks", from the classic stuff that we had back in those days.

It's what society lives on today tho.....special effects, and twists of reality. Maybe that's what our society is all about now....special effects and twists of reality. It's sad. We need to get back to those days when reality was reality, and powerful moments were real. Damn, I miss those days.

... 40 years later... "we've come so far"... ... eh, not so much...

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Hulk @ 11:

Powerful!

I just happen to be watching "West Side Story" tonight...and I'll tell you....cinema has really degenerated into "cheap tricks", from the classic stuff that we had back in those days.

It's what society lives on today tho.....special effects, and twists of reality. Maybe that's what our society is all about now....special effects and twists of reality. It's sad. We need to get back to those days when reality was reality, and powerful moments were real. Damn, I miss those days.

excellent post hulk - especially your tieing in 'special effects and twists of reality' with the politics of our era - something that may have started long ago but which was brought to fruition by Michael Deaver et al...
Along the lines of your comments about the film - I and my gf recently had a Potier festival- (Potier said recently on Larry King that he won't work in films anymore because all of his work before had been created by a 'team' of people that were no longer with us...)
That being said - I might recommend taking a look at these other very significant films from the era. For Potier fans, they are essential, to students of film and American history they resonate significantly with the 'form and pressure' of those times...
Yep- powerful is the word for the cumulative body of this wonderful artists contribution to American cinema.
I miss those days too.

Cry the Beloved Country
Edge of the City
A Raisin in the Sun
The Defiant Ones
A Patch of Blue
Pressure Point
Lilies of the Field

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well tuesdays the day ! the wifes family and mine will get to the polls early to cast our votes for hillary, looks like the weathers going to be nice so hillary should get a lot of votes , wish us luck!!!!!

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

7 Otay Says: Have you folks read up on the group of evangelicals tying themselves into the highest level of government, and calling themselves The Family? I just read the following, and it’s pretty frightening, but helps explain why our government is becoming more Christianist:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich
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Hillary is a member of that "Family."

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1 bullfrog Says: exclusive video of our global guardians charting our course unearthed.

I get it. That's McCain 3 days after the elections. The question isss, Who is he going to select as his running mate?

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

Oh, i see it explains that. I was freaked when i heard what she has been up to.

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 15:

7 Otay Says: Have you folks read up on the group of evangelicals tying themselves into the highest level of government, and calling themselves The Family? I just read the following, and it’s pretty frightening, but helps explain why our government is becoming more Christianist:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich
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Hillary is a member of that "Family."

It seems to me the Wright story should pale in comparison. Oh well. What the hell do I know.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

I understand McCain wants to build more than 700 nuclear power plants. If he gets elected and does this if only one tenth of one percent of them is built incorrectly then 9/11 will look like a day at Disneyland (which also occasionally kills).

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

It does pale in comparison but who would report it? The Corporate Media? They probably belong to the same cult.

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Yeah, no kidding. Either that cult or the Robertson or Dobson cults.

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How come we get the refresh buttons during the day when a crazy woman named Mary can post her crap like a crazy woman crapping and at night, we have to copy and paste?

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It's almost like the Dems want to out-Christian the religious right. They are trying to play catch up, not realizing religious-right lunacy is no longer a good thing to have on your resume.

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Portier was on Larry King the other night, and for 81 he looked 67. His mind was still very sharp too, and in great shape physically. He mentioned that he had never experienced blatant racism till he moved to the states as a child from Trinidad, and that for all he had heard about America, the racism (that he said he came face to face with as soon as he got here) disappointed him terribly.

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13 captainkeyboards

I could name so many more of his films I love but I'll just mention two comedies, Buck and the Preacher (1972) Uptown Saturday Night (1974) that I think were under-rated.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

22 Ron Says:

How come we get the refresh buttons during the day when a crazy woman named Mary can post her crap like a crazy woman crapping and at night, we have to copy and paste?

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I think it is to keep us awake.

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aw come on they call me mr tibbs and lillies of the fields were his best two flicks!!

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

24 chuckn Says:

Portier was on Larry King the other night, and for 81 he looked 67. His mind was still very sharp too, and in great shape physically. He mentioned that he had never experienced blatant racism till he moved to the states as a child from Trinidad, and that for all he had heard about America, the racism (that he said he came face to face with as soon as he got here) disappointed him terribly.

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Portier is an amazing human being.

As a white person growing up in this country racism has dissapointed me terriblyand does dissapoint me terribly.

It is pathalogical, destructive and insane.

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Ron @ 22:

How come we get the refresh buttons during the day when a crazy woman named Mary can post her crap like a crazy woman crapping and at night, we have to copy and paste?

What gets me is how some people don't seem to have a clue that from the GOP's perspective, what is good for the gander will be just as useful for the goose.

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26 xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says: 22 Ron Says:

How come we get the refresh buttons during the day when a crazy woman named Mary can post her crap like a crazy woman crapping and at night, we have to copy and paste?

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I think it is to keep us awake.

Most of us go to bed because it takes so long to post a comment.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

The it saves bandwidth. :)

tyree's picture

ok ok blackboard jungle was pretty good too!

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

To Sir With Love.

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Spencer Tracy's speech at the end (and knowing who he was saying it to and that he was dying at the time) is really wonderful. But the generational aspect of this dialog is apropos for the political season.

this ought to be played for the media. obama is already living it.

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yeah sorry i ment to sir with love!

Otay's picture

So is the above movie with Poitier a prescient prediction of the Wright/Obama relationship and controversy? ;)

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

35 Okonkolo Says: Spencer Tracy’s speech at the end (and knowing who he was saying it to and that he was dying at the time) is really wonderful. But the generational aspect of this dialog is apropos for the political season.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6VzroDsYU

Tequila's picture

Obama regains his popularity
in the polls.

Tequila's picture

Is the reason 30% of Americans still heart Bush due to bad parenting?

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Lafin gas@4
AGREED. I've always believed the "haves"PROFIT from racism....at the expense of us common folk.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

I liked Blackboard Jungle too, Tyree.

lafin gas's picture

In the Heat of the Night
They Call Me MISTER Tibbs
The Bedford Incident
Porgy and Bess
Are all good ones too!

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

41 Tequila Says: Is the reason 30% of Americans still heart Bush due to bad parenting?
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There are all kinds of bad parenting. Perhaps the most shocking to me was in Lynn, Massachuchetts where i saw a woman walking with a baby carriage with a boom box at peak volumn inside with the baby. I sure hope that kid got into Galludette.

StirFry's picture

Hillary on the rightwing/neocons: "They like me, they really like me!"

Tequila's picture

Texas hates the mentally ill.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

Only if they are alive.

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Hulk @ 11:

Powerful!

I just happen to be watching "West Side Story" tonight...and I'll tell you....cinema has really degenerated into "cheap tricks", from the classic stuff that we had back in those days.

It's what society lives on today tho.....special effects, and twists of reality. Maybe that's what our society is all about now....special effects and twists of reality. It's sad. We need to get back to those days when reality was reality, and powerful moments were real. Damn, I miss those days.

Oh, I don't know. I think even Plato once lamented that Aristotle's generation comprised mostly degenerates who had devalued art, literature, life, the universe and everything. It's the inevitable perception of the nostalgic -- there's No Country for Old Men. ;)

Sure, for every No Country, there are ten brainless popcorn flicks, but I'm not sure it was really any different in the cinematic era of Guess Who's. And even if the ratio is far worse, consider some of the truly amazing movies that have graced our screens in just the past few years. Pan's Labyrinth, The Lives of Others, A History of Violence, Michael Clayton, to name but a few, have been introspective, didactic and powerful films that will no doubt be longed for as relics of tomorrow's "good ol' days."

While I imagine that each of my examples has its detractors, my point is that while it's tempting to believe that "they don't make 'em like they used to," it's not always disheartening to look at how they make 'em now. :)

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He gave one hellava speech tonight in Indiana and got standing ovations.

Otay @ 38:

So is the above movie with Poitier a prescient prediction of the Wright/Obama relationship and controversy? ;)

about the time that movie was out and my brother was dating a white girl. He brought her home for sunday dinner and my sisters freaked. my parents were quiet and cordial, especially my mom. I had two fights with neighbor kids who were angry about my brother's dating habits. I told them that they were jealous, thus the fights. The girl's dad did not interfere, he just let my brother know that he hated by brother with a deep, abiding passion.

They broke up tearfully, as teenagers would, probably because it's hard to stand up againt the world at age 16. I respected my brother tremendously for having the nerve to do what others dreamed of. It was about 1970.

I later asked my father what it was about us. What are we? Not what 'they' call us, but what do we call ourselves? He said, "If anyone asks what you are, tell them, 'I am a Negro, but I yearn to be a Black Man'". We never spoke of race before or after that moment. Not even about my brother's dinner date.

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity in the polls.

the polls are manipulated, as we know. but it's nice to read.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

51 BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit

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That is what all too many white Americans don't get, "I know what they call us, but what do we call ourselves, Dad?"

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution's picture

I did not have a father, but i never had to ask. No one ever called me anything based on the color of my skin.

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GNA!

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good lord, did anyone else see this as an obvious analogy of (prelude to) Obama and Reverend Wright having it out over the race issue in the public arena? How perfectly timely that you've posted this scene...and auspicious. Wright has moved just about as far as Portier's character's father in the clip...

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Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity
in the polls.

in this article it states that 45 % of the people think that the gas tax holiday is a
great idea. what a bunch of thoughtless selfish morons. just so they can get their
$30 for the summer months, they are willing to completely shutdown all road
and highway repairs and put several hundred thousand roadworkers out of work.

that is the American way. screw yourself and everyone else for a few bucks.
no wonder we have that bastard moron in the whitehouse.

dadams @ 57:

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity
in the polls.

in this article it states that 45 % of the people think that the gas tax holiday is a
great idea. what a bunch of thoughtless selfish morons. just so they can get their
$30 for the summer months, they are willing to completely shutdown all road
and highway repairs and put several hundred thousand roadworkers out of work.

that is the American way. screw yourself and everyone else for a few bucks.
no wonder we have that bastard moron in the whitehouse.

poverty and ignorance go hand-in-glove. that's why a public school system was mandated, so the people would be smart enough to think for themselves. NCLB will destroy us. "IDIOCRACY" is a great movie depiction of what the price of our ignorance will be. we won't even be worth conquering.

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57 dadams Says: Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity
in the polls.

in this article it states that 45 % of the people think that the gas tax holiday is a
great idea. what a bunch of thoughtless selfish morons. just so they can get their
$30 for the summer months, they are willing to completely shutdown all road
and highway repairs and put several hundred thousand roadworkers out of work.

that is the American way. screw yourself and everyone else for a few bucks.
no wonder we have that bastard moron in the whitehouse.

If it is true, yes they would sell their souls for a few coins. Does that remind you of any stories? I can't imagine selling my soul for a few coins.

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 54:

I did not have a father, but i never had to ask. No one ever called me anything based on the color of my skin.

In my house, we never referred to anyone by their color.

this country is beyond words.

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I also can't understand why I had to add my name and email address again in the middle of a comments page. Is C&L going haywire?

has anyone noticed that more democrats are telling the press to move on from the wright BS? Dean and Rangel, Kerry this week. Rachel Maddow every day. The people who booed at the assininity before commonsense debate? That ought to be passed around as a progressive talking point.

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62 BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit Says: has anyone noticed that more democrats are telling the press to move on from the wright BS? Dean and Rangel, Kerry this week. Rachel Maddow every day. The people who booed at the assininity before commonsense debate? That ought to be passed around as a progressive talking point.

The MSM won't get it because they don't want to get it. You're right, it should be published all over the internet.

Ron @ 61:

I also can't understand why I had to add my name and email address again in the middle of a comments page. Is C&L going haywire?

your browser may be having cookie problems. the high activity of all the code in these pages have screwed up my cookies more than once. I would open a second page for a few minutes and put the info on that page and refresh it a few times to make sure it stays. sorry for your extra work, they never asked my opinion before dropping haloscan.

Ron @ 63:

62 BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit Says: has anyone noticed that more democrats are telling the press to move on from the wright BS? Dean and Rangel, Kerry this week. Rachel Maddow every day. The people who booed at the assininity before commonsense debate? That ought to be passed around as a progressive talking point.

The MSM won't get it because they don't want to get it. You're right, it should be published all over the internet.

good. their ratings are dropping like a stone and their lies are no longer saleable. the market will decide their fate.

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64 BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit Says: Ron @ 61:

I also can’t understand why I had to add my name and email address again in the middle of a comments page. Is C&L going haywire?

your browser may be having cookie problems. the high activity of all the code in these pages have screwed up my cookies more than once. I would open a second page for a few minutes and put the info on that page and refresh it a few times to make sure it stays. sorry for your extra work, they never asked my opinion before dropping haloscan.

Quote This Comment May 4th, 2008 at 10:56 PM - PDT
I just cleaned out the old cookies. That shouldn't be it.

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BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 52:

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity in the polls.

the polls are manipulated, as we know. but it's nice to read.

Why are people falling in love with these 3-day polls and using them to forecast six months from now?

12 months ago, Hillary ran 30 points better than the field in every single context. 6 months ago, they were asking if Obama was Black enough and he was still trailing Hillary 20 points everywhere. Then almost 3 months ago, the people of Iowa took issue with Hillary's campaign of inevitability. Today, after Reverend Wright, after Bittergate, and after going 5-on-1 (Wright-crazed Media, McCain, Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea) the last month, Obama will most likely split on Tuesday and has a real chance to win Indiana and end the race.

Look how much the race has changed in the last 6 months. So who the hell can honestly say they know will happen in the next 6 months. Especially when Obama no longer has to run against the world so the media can start paying attention to how terrible McCain has become as a candidate since 2000.

These polls are just capturing the emotional intensity of the moment. Hell, if the American people can forget about the Iraq War (which they largely have due to the economy and media-induced distractions), then why will they care about Wright and the Catholic vote in Pennsylvania six months from now when they will actually have the opportunity to start correcting the last 8 years?

Dems add to majority with Cazayoux win in La. By J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 05/03/08 11:17 PM [ET]
House Democrats continued to expand their majority Saturday night after Louisiana state Rep. Don Cazayoux emerged victorious in a special election for retired Rep. Richard Baker’s (R) district.

The win comes two months after Democrats picked up their first seat of the year. In March, Democrat Bill Foster won the Illinois seat of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R). That seat, like the Louisiana contest, was in solidly Republican areas. President Bush carried the Illinois district with 55 percent and the Louisiana district with 59 percent in 2004.

Cazayoux benefited from a strong fundraising advantage over Woody Jenkins — $810,000 to $490,000 — with much of the help coming from national Democrats. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) spent $920,000 on the contest.

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) only spent $440,000 on the race and Jenkins received less than $40,000 from GOP members.

Ron @ 66:

64 BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit Says: Ron @ 61:

I also can’t understand why I had to add my name and email address again in the middle of a comments page. Is C&L going haywire?

your browser may be having cookie problems. the high activity of all the code in these pages have screwed up my cookies more than once. I would open a second page for a few minutes and put the info on that page and refresh it a few times to make sure it stays. sorry for your extra work, they never asked my opinion before dropping haloscan.

Quote This Comment May 4th, 2008 at 10:56 PM - PDT
I just cleaned out the old cookies. That shouldn't be it.

If you cleaned out your cookies, then you deleted the information. what I was telling you was to keep the cookie. If your browser is that smart, you can set it to accept cookies from this site. Or else you have to add your info always.

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67 Mister Anderson Says: BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 52:

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity in the polls.

the polls are manipulated, as we know. but it’s nice to read.

Why are people falling in love with these 3-day polls and using them to forecast six months from now?

12 months ago, Hillary ran 30 points better than the field in every single context. 6 months ago, they were asking if Obama was Black enough and he was still trailing Hillary 20 points everywhere. Then almost 3 months ago, the people of Iowa took issue with Hillary’s campaign of inevitability. Today, after Reverend Wright, after Bittergate, and after going 5-on-1 (Wright-crazed Media, McCain, Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea) the last month, Obama will most likely split on Tuesday and has a real chance to win Indiana and end the race.

Look how much the race has changed in the last 6 months. So who the hell can honestly say they know will happen in the next 6 months. Especially when Obama no longer has to run against the world so the media can start paying attention to how terrible McCain has become as a candidate since 2000.

These polls are just capturing the emotional intensity of the moment. Hell, if the American people can forget about the Iraq War (which they largely have due to the economy and media-induced distractions), then why will they care about Wright and the Catholic vote in Pennsylvania six months from now when they will actually have the opportunity to start correcting the last 8 years?

The media is creating the emotional intensity.

Mister Anderson @ 67:

BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 52:

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity in the polls.

the polls are manipulated, as we know. but it's nice to read.

Why are people falling in love with these 3-day polls and using them to forecast six months from now?

12 months ago, Hillary ran 30 points better than the field in every single context. 6 months ago, they were asking if Obama was Black enough and he was still trailing Hillary 20 points everywhere. Then almost 3 months ago, the people of Iowa took issue with Hillary's campaign of inevitability. Today, after Reverend Wright, after Bittergate, and after going 5-on-1 (Wright-crazed Media, McCain, Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea) the last month, Obama will most likely split on Tuesday and has a real chance to win Indiana and end the race.

Look how much the race has changed in the last 6 months. So who the hell can honestly say they know will happen in the next 6 months. Especially when Obama no longer has to run against the world so the media can start paying attention to how terrible McCain has become as a candidate since 2000.

These polls are just capturing the emotional intensity of the moment. Hell, if the American people can forget about the Iraq War (which they largely have due to the economy and media-induced distractions), then why will they care about Wright and the Catholic vote in Pennsylvania six months from now when they will actually have the opportunity to start correcting the last 8 years?

this is a plan to make polling more palatable so that when the DIEBOLD election results are counted in Nov., no one will question. It will be dismissed as meaningless or doubtful.

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odanny @ 8:

Mary Tillman sounded entirely convincing as well as poised and even restrained in the face of what she has gone thru in tonights interview with Couric. I especially liked that Ranger's words in describing what Pat would have said about the administration exploiting his death for publicity: "This is criminal"

Not mentioned in the interview is that is what he said of the Iraq war too

I can't believe they let the little brown-nose bush family cheerleader do this story. When is CBS going to can little miss kitty kat.

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GNA!

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tyree @ 14:

well tuesdays the day ! the wifes family and mine will get to the polls early to cast our votes for hillary, looks like the weathers going to be nice so hillary should get a lot of votes , wish us luck!!!!!

No.

I hope you get a sudden change of heart and rethink your vote and vote for Obama.

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We may have some problems with the vote on tuesday in Indiana. About 25% of the voters in Indiana have been purge from the voter lists.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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Ron @ 70:

67 Mister Anderson Says: BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 52:

Tequila @ 40:

Obama regains his popularity in the polls.

the polls are manipulated, as we know. but it’s nice to read.

Why are people falling in love with these 3-day polls and using them to forecast six months from now?

12 months ago, Hillary ran 30 points better than the field in every single context. 6 months ago, they were asking if Obama was Black enough and he was still trailing Hillary 20 points everywhere. Then almost 3 months ago, the people of Iowa took issue with Hillary’s campaign of inevitability. Today, after Reverend Wright, after Bittergate, and after going 5-on-1 (Wright-crazed Media, McCain, Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea) the last month, Obama will most likely split on Tuesday and has a real chance to win Indiana and end the race.

Look how much the race has changed in the last 6 months. So who the hell can honestly say they know will happen in the next 6 months. Especially when Obama no longer has to run against the world so the media can start paying attention to how terrible McCain has become as a candidate since 2000.

These polls are just capturing the emotional intensity of the moment. Hell, if the American people can forget about the Iraq War (which they largely have due to the economy and media-induced distractions), then why will they care about Wright and the Catholic vote in Pennsylvania six months from now when they will actually have the opportunity to start correcting the last 8 years?

The media is creating the emotional intensity.

I agree with you. I thought the Wright story would burn out after Tuesday, but NBC has started reporting stories about the story. In my opinion, this was the same media that carried Bush by giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't a failed President from 2002 - 2006. And they've carried Hillary Clinton since Super Tuesday by giving her the benefit of the doubt that she can still win this race without doing something illegal, unethical, or immoral that will destroy the Democratic Party and cost her the election in November.

The only way to counter them is to vote our conscious. The anti-war polling rose to over 65% before the MSM stopped portraying it to be a minority opinion since people weren't setting themselves on fire in front of the Pentagon. And now the people of Indiana and North Carolina need to end this race and spit in the face of the Chris Matthews and Joe Scarboroughs of the world who claim that Obama has problems with the White vote even though he's won 31 contests so far.

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75 I Like Pie Says: We may have some problems with the vote on tuesday in Indiana. About 25% of the voters in Indiana have been purge from the voter lists.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

If you live in Indiana, get out there and help.

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Why does RHM ignore Obama's whiteness?

Israel don't start no shit. I mean it. Be thankful that the US tipped the balance.

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" hE CAME DANCING ACROSS THE WATER , WHAT A KILLER ..cORTEZ ,CoRTEZ " . - N yOUNG

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Otay @ 38:

So is the above movie with Poitier a prescient prediction of the Wright/Obama relationship and controversy? ;)

I liked Sidney until I saw Hawk.
What a sell out.
I don't think he liked that part too much.

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Thanks for that clip, Xoites!

xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution @ 39:

35 Okonkolo Says: Spencer Tracy’s speech at the end (and knowing who he was saying it to and that he was dying at the time) is really wonderful. But the generational aspect of this dialog is apropos for the political season.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6VzroDsYU

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BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 68:

Dems add to majority with Cazayoux win in La. By J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 05/03/08 11:17 PM [ET]
House Democrats continued to expand their majority Saturday night after Louisiana state Rep. Don Cazayoux emerged victorious in a special election for retired Rep. Richard Baker’s (R) district.

The win comes two months after Democrats picked up their first seat of the year. In March, Democrat Bill Foster won the Illinois seat of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R). That seat, like the Louisiana contest, was in solidly Republican areas. President Bush carried the Illinois district with 55 percent and the Louisiana district with 59 percent in 2004.

Cazayoux benefited from a strong fundraising advantage over Woody Jenkins — $810,000 to $490,000 — with much of the help coming from national Democrats. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) spent $920,000 on the contest.

The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) only spent $440,000 on the race and Jenkins received less than $40,000 from GOP members.

I was watching the jerry rivers show yesterday and he said the repugs didn't lose the two seat. I guess he didn't know about Cazayoux.

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11 Hulk Says: Powerful!

I just happen to be watching “West Side Story” tonight…and I’ll tell you….cinema has really degenerated into “cheap tricks”, from the classic stuff that we had back in those days.

It’s what society lives on today tho…..special effects, and twists of reality. Maybe that’s what our society is all about now….special effects and twists of reality. It’s sad. We need to get back to those days when reality was reality, and powerful moments were real. Damn, I miss those days.
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It's all so cheap and tawdry and disposable anymore. I know exactly what you mean. Plastic people, plastic surgery, gimmicks and flashing lights.

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80 tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe Says:

"I liked Sidney until I saw Hawk.
What a sell out.
I don’t think he liked that part too much."

I never saw it, never heard of it, I can’t even find it on IMDB. Can you give me a link to the film?

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I have been a target based on the color of my skin. Racism is stupid but I believe it will always be here. In 232 years people have not changed and are actually getting blatant about racism. The conservatives are thier own worse enemy. Greed , racism and religious persecution will knock them to their knees.

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Bush leaves Iraqi children behind.

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80 tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe
"The Mark of the Hawk" is what you must mean, and I saw it many years ago. It was a good job of acting but the story had much to be desired. I think Mr. Poitier had something else in mind when he accepted the role. You can’t blame an actor alone for the end result of a film!

tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe @ 78:

Why does RHM ignore Obama's whiteness?

Israel don't start no shit. I mean it. Be thankful that the US tipped the balance.

a megalomaniac won't even hear the warning.

May 4th Zogby Tracking Poll: "Democrat Barack Obama of Illinois holds a nine point lead in North Carolina, and has now edged ahead of Hillary Clinton of New York by a statistically insignificant two points in Indiana, a pair of new Zogby daily tracking telephone polls show. In both states, the candidates are essentially tied among moderate voters, while Obama holds leads among mainline liberals and progressives. Clinton holds substantial advantages among conservative voters likely to cast ballots in the Democratic primary election."

Zogby is so full of shit. He's got everyone convinced of the accuracy of his survey and analysis techniques. Yet he doesn't seem to speak about how exit polling was the most accurate barometer of a vote in the US - until the 200 election results had to be analyzed. - BaScOmBe

Iraq: No Evidence Iran Is Arming Shiites
Top Official Says Reports That Militants Received Weapons From Tehran Are Not "Conclusive"

BAGHDAD, May 4, 2008

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh (seen here in 2007) said that "There is no conclusive evidence" that rockets seized from Shiite militias were supplied by Iran, as has been alleged by the United States government. (AP Photo/Ali Abbas, Pool)

(AP) A top Iraqi official said Sunday there was no "conclusive" evidence that Shiite extremists have been directly supplied with some Iranian arms as alleged by the United States.

Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Iraq does not want trouble with any country, "especially Iran."

Al-Dabbagh was commenting on talks this week in Tehran between an Iraqi delegation and Iranian authorities aimed at halting suspected Iranian aid to some Shiite militias.

Asked about reports that some rockets made in 2007 or 2008 and seized in raids against militias were directly supplied by Iran, al-Dabbagh replied: "There is no conclusive evidence."

Bob Herbert: "Most of the electorate understands that the U.S. is in sorry shape, which is why more than 80 percent of poll respondents say we’re on the wrong track. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright has nothing to do with any of that. The idea that his nonsense may shape the outcome of this election is both tragic and absurd." 5/4

In Poll, Obama Survives Furor, but Fall Is the Test
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARJORIE CONNELLY
Published: May 5, 2008

WASHINGTON — A majority of American voters say that the furor over the relationship between Senator Barack Obama and his former pastor has not affected their opinion of Mr. Obama, but a substantial number say that it could influence voters this fall should he be the Democratic presidential nominee, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

At the same time, an overwhelming majority of voters said candidates calling for the suspension of the federal gasoline tax this summer were acting to help themselves politically, rather than to help ordinary Americans. Mr. Obama’s rival for the Democratic nomination, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has made the suspension of the gas tax a centerpiece of her campaign in recent days.

In the survey, taken in the days leading up to the primaries on Tuesday in Indiana and North Carolina, Americans were divided over the merits of the gasoline-tax suspension, which has also been backed by the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, and condemned by Mr. Obama as political gimmickry.

sitemonitor,
I'm sorry about #90. I'm thinking you might want to tailor it a smidgen.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0504edit1may04,0,3206628.story
chicagotribune.com

Indiana, go with Obama

May 4, 2008

Not since Robert F. Kennedy's short-lived presidential campaign has the first Tuesday in May mattered so much. That's cause for excitement in Indiana, a state that is typically an afterthought in presidential primary politics. With the race between Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton threatening to last until August's national convention —and the candidates running neck-and-neck in Indiana—Hoosiers have a big role to play in picking the 2008 Democratic nominee.

In February, when Illinois voters faced the same choice, this page urged them to support Obama. "He is the Democrat best suited to lead this nation," the editorial said. We remain convinced of that as our Indiana readers head to the polls on Tuesday.

One benefit of the prolonged primary campaign is that Americans have had a better look at the candidates than in most years. In a race that many Democrats believe should have been conceded long ago, Obama has maintained his composure against an opponent whose desperation strategy is to hang in there and lob spitballs at the front-runner long enough to do an end-run around voters.

At times, the historic contest between the first viable female presidential candidate and the first viable African-American has threatened to devolve into just another ugly race between ordinary pols whose positions on the issues are largely the same. But in recent weeks, Obama's personal and political mettle have been sorely tested— and have been proven.

more...

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Daily Reading pt 1...

The rate at which some of the world’s glaciers are melting has more than doubled, data from the United Nations Environment Program has shown.
- http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=12375

EPA Report Looks at Managing Water Supplies in a Warming World - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/epa-water.php

Nature article on 'cooling' confuses media, deniers: Next decade may see rapid warming, not cooling - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/2/115552/7430
Article's author makes it absolutely clear....that next decade 2010-2020 will absolutely be hottest on record ever...with more data & explanations

Americans grow up, CBS-Times poll: We reject gas tax holiday - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/4/204737/7867
Why, Hillary, why? - http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/1/124954/6482 Robert Shapiro, undersecretary of commerce in the Clinton administration, put it: "Stated as clearly as I can," he wrote, "it's utterly misguided both environmentally and economically."

Multinationals make billions in profit out of growing global food crisis - http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/multinationals-mak...
Drought (yes Global warming), export bans, corporate malfeasance, grain for beef stocks, & rising oil prices are all much greater causes of this crisis than the 'ethanol shift' taking much of the blame by corporate media...(I only support cellulosic biofuel made from waste/switchgrass)

CBS Poll: Support For Obama Rebounds - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/04/opinion/polls/main4069259.shtml
He now leads presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in the hypothetical fall contest by eleven points, 51 percent to 40 percent.
The poll shows that almost eight in ten Democratic primary voters would support either Obama or Clinton against McCain in November.
Special message to those '2 out of 10'...please remove head from your exterior...

Obama's Boffo Performance on "Meet the Press" - http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/064

Uh...oh...someone please alert the right wingnut noise machine: Iraq says no hard evidence of Iranian support for militia - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080504/wl_mideast_afp/iraniraqpoliticsunre...
Iraq said on Sunday it has no evidence that Iran was supplying militias engaged in fierce street fighting with security forces in Baghdad. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said there was no "hard evidence" of involvement by the neighbouring Shiite government of Iran in backing Shiite militiamen in the embattled country.

Daily Reading pt 2...

Environmental group backs Obama over gas tax stance - http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/environmental-group-backs-obama-over-ga...
Friends Of The Earth Action (FOEA) said the holiday idea proposed by fellow presidential contenders Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was the key reason for its endorsement of Obama.The group’s president, Brent Blackwelder, called the debate over the holiday “a defining moment” in the race.
“The two other candidates responded with sham solutions that won’t ease pain at the pump, but Senator Obama refused to play that typical Washington game,” Blackwelder said. “Instead, Obama called for real solutions that would make transportation more affordable and curb global warming. He showed the courage and candor we expect from a president.”

Gas tax 'holiday' is a free marketist/Big Oil scam....that only benefits them....not you at the pump.

David Zweifel: Gas tax holiday is a dumb idea - http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/284332
It's one of the dumbest ideas to come down the pike in a long time. Those who keep tabs on the oil industry are convinced that the price is actually going to be four bucks a gallon by the height of the summer travel season. That 18.4 cents "savings" would quickly be swallowed up by the oil industry.
Meanwhile, we would fall further behind not only in fixing our highways (& infrastructure), but in doing what we should have been doing for decades now: finding ways to use less gasoline.

MUST READ: Twilight of American Empire - http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2008/05/twilight-of-american-em...
The fall of the American empire resembles that of Rome in several areas but primarily --military and economic. The economies of the US and Rome ultimately depended on conquest.
By the time the Roman Empire was sold at auction to one Didius Julianus, Rome's currency had already collapsed, as the dollar is likewise endangered.
It's oil and because Iran would prefer to sell oil for Euros, nations wishing to buy oil must exchange their dollars for Euros.
CHECK OUT 'AMERICA BY THE NUMBERS' Gore Vidal dates the end of the American empire to a time during the Reagan administration when the US became a net debtor nation.

Christian Science Monitor: Gasoline-tax reprieve, an idea running on empty. Minimal cost savings, increased dependence on foreign oil, and high administrative costs are among reasons why this idea ran out of gas.
- http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0505/p14s03-wmgn.html

Even the Insured Feel Strain of Health Costs - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/business/04insure.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&...
Many of the 158 million people covered by employer health insurance are struggling to meet medical expenses that are much higher than they used to be — often because of some combination of higher premiums, less extensive coverage, and bigger out-of-pocket deductibles and co-payments.
US Healthcare is an economic endgame for the health 'insurance' industry....healthcare must be destroyed and rebuilt, to actually providing health care...instead of 'managed risks for profit' (what it is now)

Close Vote in Guam Dem Primary. Obama Wins by 7 Votes! - http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/03/guam.contest/?iref=hpmostpop

Celebrity Endorsement Corner: Tom Hanks Backs Obama - http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/04/tom-hanks-i-want-barack-obama-to-be-t...

Daily Reading pt 3...

Charlotte Observer: In the Democratic primary, we recommend Obama - http://www.charlotte.com/opinion/story/608888.html

McCain and Bush Staffs Talk “Everyday” - http://www.mgwashington.com/index.php/2008electionblog/blog_index/mccain...

Democrats pick up a Republican congressional seat in Louisiana in a special election, increasing their majority. With Cazayoux's victory, Louisiana's seven-member delegation has three Democrats for the first time since 2004, and for only the second time in 12 years.
This will help Obama, because the Republicans thought that they could race bait a congressional candidate to the likely Democratic nominee. It backfired.
- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080504/ap_on_el_ho/congress_louisiana;_ylt=...
Republicans held the seat since 1974....
McBush = Bush

On Saturday, Obama Gained Superdelegates 3-1 Over Clinton - http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/03/976794.aspx

May '08 Evil GOP Bastard of the Month (John Hagee) - http://www.evilgopbastards.com/

Vanity Fair: Monsanto already dominates America’s food chain with its genetically modified seeds. Now it has targeted milk production. Just as frightening as the corporation’s tactics–ruthless legal battles against small farmers–is its decades-long history of toxic contamination.
- http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805
THIS IS WHY...the free market is BS and you don't run the world like its a corporation...

Know your Deniers: Bjorn Lomborg Bibliography - http://www.desmogblog.com/bjorn-lomborg-bibliography

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“Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner”

The wolf at the door?

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86 Tequila Says: Bush leaves Iraqi children behind.

boosh is a fan of the Left Behind series.

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God, what a terrible movie!

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

That is what all too many white Americans don’t get, “I know what they call us, but what do we call ourselves, Dad?”

Word.

Du Boisian "double consciousness" lives on. And on and on.

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Wow. HC just gave the speech of a lifetime. I'm sure Cspan will have it up later. I truly would like to hear from all the Obama supporters on this one. Watch the entire speech (North Carolina rally) and let me know what you disagree with. I only could challenge her on her support of bio fuels, if she meant ethanol, but other than that this was just the most succinct, specific policy speech I've heard from a candidate in ages.

The contrast is growing ever more clear. Obama just can't deliver a policy speech. They seem smug, like we should just ASSUME that he'll be prepared and have his s*** together.

I don't want to take that chance.

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Al Franken the Fraud

Taxes for thee, but not for me.

POLL: Voters notice Franken's tax troubles

Election day is exactly six months from Sunday and Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race will be one of the most closely watched in the nation.
DFL candidate Al Franken jumpstarted his campaign with a rally the day before Republican Norm Coleman officially announced his reelection bid. Since then, headlines have not been kind to Franken. First, a $25,000 fine for not paying workers’ compensation insurance in New York. Then he revealed he is paying $70,000 in back taxes, penalties and interest to 17 states.

In the latest SurveyUSA poll about Franken's tax troubles, 500 people were polled. Of those people, 59 percent said the recent troubles made them less likely to support Franken and 31 percent said it made no difference.
When asked whether Franken should withdraw from the race, 51 percent said he should withdraw while 38 said he should stay in the race.

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Ah yes, Saloum, that smells familiar, The new "Obama is smug" meme. Thing is, that meme isn't especially new anymore.

Is there any sense that this is somehow a racial perception? That white pundits secretly want minority candidates to be more humble and more "sidekick" like. (Just like the media's assumption that a joint ticket would have the white candidate at the top).

--TPM Cafe

Would someone open a window and let out Saloum's fartl?

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thier was a radio program on when i was a kid, long before tv came about , it was called LETS PRETEND !ok lets pretend folks !lets pretend obamas any different then clinton, ive listened to both politicians talk and while they both have different styles of saying the same thing i dont see enough of a difference to for obama, i heard obama say hes going to bring some of the troops out of iraq, ive heard clinton say the same thing , they both say thier will be troops left to defend the green zone the embassy , the bases we built , now hows that going to end the killing there? then they both say thoes troops withdrawn will be sent to afganistan to kill the supposed killers of 911, when will they know when we got them all, supposeing thier were any real killers from afganistan ? and both say we must protect israel at any cost! why israel has never done anything for us ! we give them billions every year ,why ? what do we owe them all thoes tax dollars for ,? neither ones going to keep all thier election promisses, this countrys owned by the criminal corporations that sell our ports and highways to other countrys and send our jobs to india china and mexico , when the real election gets here who ever gets the nod obama or clinton the losers will stay home on election day in nov 08, and neither candidates worried about fixes elections , so its a crap shoot who you vote for , as my wife says when we vote for clinton , better the devil you know then the devil you dont, as the song says , dont worry be happy

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dennis @ 103:

Al Franken the Fraud

Taxes for thee, but not for me.

POLL: Voters notice Franken's tax troubles

Election day is exactly six months from Sunday and Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race will be one of the most closely watched in the nation.
DFL candidate Al Franken jumpstarted his campaign with a rally the day before Republican Norm Coleman officially announced his reelection bid. Since then, headlines have not been kind to Franken. First, a $25,000 fine for not paying workers’ compensation insurance in New York. Then he revealed he is paying $70,000 in back taxes, penalties and interest to 17 states.

In the latest SurveyUSA poll about Franken's tax troubles, 500 people were polled. Of those people, 59 percent said the recent troubles made them less likely to support Franken and 31 percent said it made no difference.
When asked whether Franken should withdraw from the race, 51 percent said he should withdraw while 38 said he should stay in the race.

You idiot. Franken's accountant paid the $70,000 in taxes to the wrong states. And since then he has already paid this sum to the correct states.

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Otay @ 108:

dennis @ 103:

Al Franken the Fraud

Taxes for thee, but not for me.

POLL: Voters notice Franken's tax troubles

Election day is exactly six months from Sunday and Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race will be one of the most closely watched in the nation.
DFL candidate Al Franken jumpstarted his campaign with a rally the day before Republican Norm Coleman officially announced his reelection bid. Since then, headlines have not been kind to Franken. First, a $25,000 fine for not paying workers’ compensation insurance in New York. Then he revealed he is paying $70,000 in back taxes, penalties and interest to 17 states.

In the latest SurveyUSA poll about Franken's tax troubles, 500 people were polled. Of those people, 59 percent said the recent troubles made them less likely to support Franken and 31 percent said it made no difference.
When asked whether Franken should withdraw from the race, 51 percent said he should withdraw while 38 said he should stay in the race.

You idiot. Franken's accountant paid the $70,000 in taxes to the wrong states. And since then he has already paid this sum to the correct states.

That's Franken's side of the story only. He blamed it on his accountant, then told the accountant not to talk to anybody. Either Franken's a crook or he's incompetent.

Or I guess he could be both.

Otay's picture

Otay @ 108:

dennis @ 103:

Al Franken the Fraud

Taxes for thee, but not for me.

POLL: Voters notice Franken's tax troubles

Election day is exactly six months from Sunday and Minnesota’s U.S. Senate race will be one of the most closely watched in the nation.
DFL candidate Al Franken jumpstarted his campaign with a rally the day before Republican Norm Coleman officially announced his reelection bid. Since then, headlines have not been kind to Franken. First, a $25,000 fine for not paying workers’ compensation insurance in New York. Then he revealed he is paying $70,000 in back taxes, penalties and interest to 17 states.

In the latest SurveyUSA poll about Franken's tax troubles, 500 people were polled. Of those people, 59 percent said the recent troubles made them less likely to support Franken and 31 percent said it made no difference.
When asked whether Franken should withdraw from the race, 51 percent said he should withdraw while 38 said he should stay in the race.

You idiot. Franken's accountant paid the $70,000 in taxes to the wrong states. And since then he has already paid this sum to the correct states.

Let me rephrase the "idiot" part: "Don't be gullible. Gullible people are easily taken advantage of."

dennis's picture

So what do you have, Otay? Post a link on here and direct me to something tangible other than Franken's excuses. Why didn't he pay his worker's compensation insurance bill in NY?

And who's being gullible here? You only believe Franken because why? If it was a Republican running for office and he had blamed it on his accountant, then told his accountant to keep quiet about it, would you believe that?

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Great read about Israel's nuclear response capabilities if they were ever nuked by a neighboring nation. Hillary and John are going to incite World War III with their useless rhetoric. I'm one of those people who believe that Americans shouldn't die for Israel and here's another reason why:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/05/981106.aspx

ysbaddaden's picture

Like wow,

An entire movie without a single explosion

Crazy stunts

or CGI.

What will they think of next?

Otay's picture

dennis @ 111:

So what do you have, Otay? Post a link on here and direct me to something tangible other than Franken's excuses. Why didn't he pay his worker's compensation insurance bill in NY?

And who's being gullible here? You only believe Franken because why? If it was a Republican running for office and he had blamed it on his accountant, then told his accountant to keep quiet about it, would you believe that?

You think you have some internet skills, right? Well use them, and you will find his accountant paid the money to the wrong state.

It's really that simple. But don't look to the same sources that tell you that global warming is a liberal conspiracy.

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