Chris Paul vs LeBron James vs Deron Williams
By John Amato Friday May 16, 2008 12:15pmTaking a break from politics for a minute, (It helps me unwind as you know) I wanted to talk a little sports if I may. I'm not a big NBA fan anymore---the regular season is almost impossible to follow these days with weird game times, days off, three networks covering them and terrible overall play. It doesn't help when your team is awful and coached by Isiah Thomas, (He's finally gone) but watching some of the playoffs this time around I've been amazed by some of the youngest talent in the NBA.
LeBron James hasn't been very good against Boston in a horrible series, but still is a force. CP3 is as smooth as silk and is playing with a chip on his shoulder against the defending World champions. Deron isn't as flashy as the other two, but has been equally impressive against Kobe's Lakers.
There are plenty of other young stars playing today that I left off this poll so put them in the comment section if you're a basketball fan. Take the poll for fun or go on to the next post.
Chris Paul: born May 6, 1985
LeBron James: born December 30, 1984
Deron Williams: born June 26, 1984



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You have to go with Lebron here. The fact that the Cavs are going into a Game 7 against Boston is just absurd when you look at the Cavs roster. Who besides Lebron would even crack the rotation on any of the other remaining playoff teams? CP3 has David West, Deron Williams has Boozer, Kirilenko and Okur, and who does Lebron have? Daniel Gibson? Wally Szczerbiak? These guys are terrible.
When you are going against a team with three possible hall of fame players and you are the entire focus of the Boston defense, and you can push it to game 7, that is just something special.
Demerits however for yelling at his mother the other night. (Video Here).
Lebron is the best individual talent, but Chris Paul is the closest to a Magic, Bird, Jordan in his ability to make his teammates better. David West was a bust in his 3rd year in the league before Paul arrived. As good as Lebron is, his teams are barely above .500 each year, and he tends to get smaller and less clutch as the games become more important. It's a coin flip to me, but I voted Paul
Of course, as a fellow Knicks fan, I'd take any of the 3 in a heartbeat.
Lebron is the obvious choice, hes simply out of his mind.
As a Boston fan, I am quite a bit upset that the Celtics cant win a road game, but they dont have to to win a championship.. it would be nice, but if they win every home game, they win the title.
In game 7, dont bet against the Celtics in the garden. :)
Ugh...sports?
I just wish there were some 1,000,000,000,000 other sites out there with this conversation about choosing sides on manufactured corporate athletics.
Oh, that's right. There are.
It's the most over-documented part of the American experience. This site is more interesting than this topic.
I'd be bitter about the NBA if the Knicks were my team, but Mike D'Antoni has the potential to do some great things for you guys, so don't give up hope.
I am so excited about the Hornets, as is everyone in NOLA. They're a nice bunch of guys, a terrific team, and they have done so much for the city. Chris Paul is so mature and talented and a joy to watch.
Bob not Robert @ 4:
Barack Obama plays basketball. Barack Obama is a politician. Crooks and Liars is a political website. Crooks and Liars covers Barack Obama. Is that a sufficient connection?
If you add up the ages of LeBron, Chris, and Deron, they're still younger than John McCain.
John, I have to disagree with your statement about the current sate of the game and the quality of play. Like you, I laid off the NBA for a few years, but I have been an avid watcher this season and it's because the level of play has been outstanding. The defense alone makes it worht watching, then throw in the Lakers with Kobe, the Celtics with the three leprechauns, Lebron and the Bronettes, solid Dave and the Spurs along with another masterfully coached team from Jerry Sloan, and we haven't seen play this good in years.
That being said, I'll take Paul.
This season featured one of the best races from the No. 1 spot in recent memory. The Western Conference was ridiculous with a 50-win team as it's lowest seed. Great games. Great times.
A lot of great talent in the NBA. Young and old (Paul, Williams or Garnett and Kobe). The playoffs have been exciting too.
But the most exciting player --in my mind-- is Kobe Bryant. He does something spectacular every game.
Then again I'm a fan of basketabll. I have a lot of friends who don't like the NBA for a myriad of reasons: tattoos, braids, crossovers, dunks, no fundamentals (??? you ever watch Tim Duncan or Garnett?), etc.
I have to remind them there's no moral conundrum to watching basketball. Someone's either good at it or they're not. I could care less if I feel good about myself because it's easier to cheer for said person or not. It's not a campaign. It's just a game.
Oh, and one other note. Check out this scoreline from Humboldt State senior All-America pitcher Lizzy Prescott.
yesterday, the Jacks eliminated Lock Haven 1-0 in the D-2 playoffs in a 17-inning masterpiece of pitching, defense and luck.
Prescott: 17 IP, 21 K, 0 BB, 1 HBP, 0 ER, 220 pitches.
Two batter reached on eorros and no baserunner advanced past first base.
Kristin Erb, who pitched for Lock Haven was alomst as impressive considering she had already pitched one game earlier in the day to keep her squad alive. She went 17 innings as well with 12 Ks and gave up just five hits. In essence, she ptiched three complete games plus three more innings all in a single day, and if it hadn't been for two errors in te top of the 17th the two teams could still be playing.
Next year the Blazers will have Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy. And all the old "Jail-Blazers" are off the roster. By 2010 folks will be saying "Lebron Who?" and "Chris What?"
Mike Says@6
Not really. For you? I guess.
The NBA used to be an interesting sport. Sometimes there is simply too much coverage of a sport played too often by guys who really make more news for being idiots off the court than stars on it.
It has not always been that way. The league itself is in dire need of someone both talented and marketable. LeBron James? Great talent, not ever the night in, night out consistent greateness of players past. Same with Kobe. Overall the talent level has approached a similar level of mediocrity. Perhaps defenses are just better these days but the days of multiple superstars in ther sport have been absent for years.
I'm really thinking that alot of players should mature in college instead of the NBA, it seems many guys are entering after one year and having very mediocre careers. Something about Bird and Jordan and Johnson taking their teams to the championship game in colege made them great NBA players and champions.
San Antonio and Detroit have been the leagues best teams, both of them entirely snoozeworthy when it comes to watching play.
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Barack Obama plays basketball. Barack Obama is a politician. Crooks and Liars is a political website. Crooks and Liars covers Barack Obama. Is that a sufficient connection?
Mike: no.
Basketball - that's nice...but hockey's got the tougher run to the championships. Here's hoping it's a Detroit-Pittsburgh final for a smooth skating, high energy series.
Oh and "Bob not Robert" - if you don't like what John's posting, you're always free to start up your own blog. Frankly it's nice to have a brief diversion from the political circus.
As for those three - I would have no issue with any of them playing on the Raptors with Chris Bosh.
Ed in NJ @ 2:
Agreed.
Mike @ 1:
That would mean more, in my opinion, if the Celtics hadn't also been taken to 7 games by the worst team in the playoffs in the first round. Regular season aside, the Celtics "big 3" are all soft players that have been good players on mostly bad teams. The only one of them that I think could go to the hall is Garnett.
End all sports during wartime -- that's the quickest way to end the war.
From Seattle:
What NBA team?
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Have to go with CP. He has taken the defending champs Spurs to game 7. LJ was a very close second.
I would disagree that the play has been poor in the NBA this year. Well at least in the West, the play has been fun to watch.
Lebron went to St. Vincent-St. Mary's h.s. My mom went to St. Mary's h.s. in Akron which merged w/St. Vincent in 1972, I digress. My mom's a big Lebron fan, go figure! :)
Having said this, I like all (3) but on this years performance alone I'd go w/Chris Paul, elevating his team to championship contention. Lebron is the best athlete of the (3), but not by much.
btw, Lebron's jr. & sr. year in hs most of St. V's home games were at Akron U. instead of St. V's home gym & his sr. year all the home games were on pay per view in NE Ohio & yes, when St. V played my hs, I paid for the ppv & St. V won by (40) pts.
carry on
When The Sonics signed their lease agreement w/ The Key Arena, they got 100% of _all_ rentals in the building (which used to house lots of amazing shows from Robyn Hitchcock to George Clinton), plus the parking. Even though it was a "publicly owned" building, they got these perks because the NBA is a huge, engorged pig that demands to feed off the public trough, and they get insulted when you ask them to be a profitable business. Just five years into the lease agreement, The Sonics began to complain. Even though the Key Arena was built to their specs, the piggies wanted more: one of their demands was a tax on all restaurants & bars in the area, so they could use that money to build restaurants and bars in the Key, to directly compete with those that they're taxing. Only the sickest, most gluttonous organization would consider such a transaction fair. Kinda like the contractors in Iraq.
And, of course, since they didn't get their way, because Seattle actually thought that a private business should stand on its own, the owners declared basketball "impossible" in the NW, sold it to a group whose obvious intent was to move the team, then appeared as shocked as Claude Rains when they declared their intent, all with the aggressive blessing of the NBA. I have no respect for greedy corporations that suck out of a community far more than they put in, which is precisely what the NBA is. I actually like the sport, yet it's being run by folks with Bush-level morality.
i've been watching the nba for almost 50 years, and i've never seen a player with the size, strength, and athletic ability of lebron. once his basketball ability and understanding of the game evolves, and it's getting better every year, he will leave all others in the dust. to those who think detroit and san antoinio are boring, get a clue, the game is about winning.
I voted for King James as well, but Chris Paul is a talent in the mold of Bird I think.
Good comments on this thread..and not one whining about a sports thread. ;)
Ugh…sports?
I just wish there were some 1,000,000,000,000 other sites out there with this conversation about choosing sides on manufactured corporate athletics.
Oh, that’s right. There are.
It’s the most over-documented part of the American experience. This site is more interesting than this topic.
Barack Obama plays basketball. Barack Obama is a politician. Crooks and Liars is a political website. Crooks and Liars covers Barack Obama. Is that a sufficient connection?
OK, how about Barack Obama vs. Bill Bradley?
No great playing?
The Lakers and Kobe Bryant are playing phenomenal basketball.
Fischer, Gasol, Odom, plus a young and talented bench are all first rate and the teamwork this season has been the best in years. Plus the fact it is a young team with Kobe as the oldest means it will only get better.
Your creds just dropped ten points. Your i.q. must have too. Can't find another website to talk about sports? With thousands of them out there, how dumb are you? This was one of the few websites that could be counted on for some political insight. As soon as you buy the commercial sports entertainment jive, it's obvious how limited your personal insight is. But you know, perhaps you could keep the neanderthal part of your brain off this site and apply it to all those sites where people with beer guts, sitting on their sofas, touting their imaginary machismo, really care.
Bob not Robert @ 14:
Barack Obama plays basketball. Barack Obama is a politician. Crooks and Liars is a political website. Crooks and Liars covers Barack Obama. Is that a sufficient connection?
Mike: no.
Obama probably shits too. And blows his nose. That does not make them political acts worthy of comment here.
Kobe Bryant...without a doubt.
Can score. Can feed. Rebounds. Can defend. Is a leader.
Plays any and all of these rolls as the team needs from game to game, and does it all with injuries because he is pounded more than almost any other player except, possibly, LeBron. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Superhuman.
Dusty, you spoke too soon, the malingerer cry babies are making themselves heard.
I'm glad to hear about Chris Paul, honestly never heard of him before the playoffs began.
And Deron Williams is indeed great, I remember when he took Illinois to the championship game. His backcourt partner, Dee Brown, played with him at Illinois and also is on the Jazz. Usually the bench. But Williams is a good one, gonna be a great point guard.
The Pistons will be beating the crap out of all of the above to win it all this year. TEAMWORK baby, teamwork.
redcat @ 22:
True, but you have to admit, it's a LOT more fun watching Phoenix (before Shaq) play Golden State or Denver!
odanny @ 13:
Tayshaun Prince is not snoozeworthy. A tall, skinny guy who comes out of nowhere to deny a sure dunk--probably the most exciting play in sport.
zz zoomie @ 26:
Get your own blog.
JHR @ 31:
I won't argue with that--Phoenix was a joy to watch.
yes regular season suck but playoff rock. you got to get some money action going to make regular season interesting.
Lebron and Chris Paul are dominating. Dwight Howard will be dominating. There are some problems with the quality of play, but the NBA has really been saved in recent years by the massive influx of foreign talent. The Europeans, South Americans, Africans and Asians have really brought a new dimension to the game.
Thor Heyerdahl @ 15:
I just love hockey and wish it had a wider audience, but that's the way it goes...There's nothing like playoff hockey.
CP3
Lakers for the WIN!
I write posts about sports and music and detective novels and so on because I also want to tell people what I like outside of politics. It is my blog and you should have a sense of what I'm about. I'm a very serious ...haha...person who grew up playing on CYO basketball teams (point guard) until I was 22, CYO baseball teams (SS) and played HS football (cornerback and center) for WC Bryant HS. I fought in a Karate tournament when I was 23 in the Felt forum. I think it was called Henry Cho's..Somebody can correct me there.
The NBA has improved. I think there are too many athlete's giving analysis now on TV and they seem to protect the players way too much in all sports.
The Lakers look incredible. How did they get Gasol for nothing? Just like Boston got KG for nothing....Looking at the match ups I think the Spurs would give then a better time of it. They have crafty bench players with tons of experience. CP3 & Co. have to play perfectly in order to beat them. And West's back injury is a problem. But I love CP3. Wow...
odanny @ 13:
--you are soo right! the only team that may be a bit exciting to watch is probably New Orleans. Something else I hate about the NBA is the lack of fluidity in game play. And for once, it is not the players' fault, yet, rather the official referees. they call a foul for anything nowadays. Kobe gets sent to the line on average 10 times to the free throw line? WHat? The refs need to chill out and stop deciding games by free throws. the charm of the game is harmed that way.
John Amato @ 40:
John- Chris Paul literally hooks up with Tyson Chandler innately on the basketball court. Tomorrow, Sunday, Game 7 is going to be big! Chris Paul is a sort of a Magic Johnson mixed with a bit of "Jordanesque" in the athletic body of an Allen Iverson. CP3 also has not been babied up by the Refs as Kobe Bryant is, in my opinion. It really is disgusting to me how games can literally be altered by the silly fouls. Isnt basketball a contact sport? and not ballet?
I see the NBA Finals as New Orleans Vs. Boston, or New Orleans Vs. Cleveland.
Boo to San ANtonio, Boo to the LA Babies, and Boo to the BoringNugly pistons!
see yall later
Chris Paul, baby.
Obviously, all three of these guys are incredibly gifted, but CP3 is proving himself to be in a class by himself. He was the true MVP of the league this year, not Kobe. Quick as a cat, with total court awareness, and he's already the premier passer in the league, but he can also score practically at will, attacking the basket or creating shots, and at the same time elevating the games of his teammates.
Paul is the kind of player who keeps improving season by season and I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he has the potential to become another Oscar Robertson, and when it's all said and done Chris paul might be considered one of the top 10 or so players to ever step on an NBA court.
john amato @ 40 how did the lakers get gasol for nothing, david stern's dirty fingerprints are all over that.
I am not a huge NBA fan, because the season is just too long. It is not possible to play all out every night, or you you will be broken down by the time the playoffs arrive. That said, this year there has been a lot of good basketball, and the Western Conference was just ridiculous. There are a ton of great players out there. I am not a Kobe Bryant fan, and I would argue that even he has learned how to really lead a team now. I do think Chris Paul and LeBron James are the two best in the league right now at bringing other players up around them. I am a Cavs fan, so I would pick LeBron first, but it could hardly be argued that either is a bad choice.
As for having sports (or music or anything else non-political) on this blog, others have made the point before, but it bears repeating: John has this nifty idea where the various threads are clearly marked and you can ignore the ones you don't care about. So why is there a need to slam people who want to talk about sports too? Or music? Or anything else? I can understand getting a little peeved if your discussion of corporate welfare got hijacked by a discussion of MLB, but since you can just ignore the thread, just ignore it. I have gotten turned onto some good music here, for which I am grateful. I have enjoyed some of the sports threads. Neither is why I came to the site in the first place, but they help give it its character.
He's certainly not on the same level as LB, CP3, and DWill yet, but Rodney Stuckey (born August 21, 1986) played very well in Chauncey Billups's absence last round. He's another young guy to watch for.
As a Pistons fan, I'm torn about who I want to see win the Celtics-Cavs series. On the one hand, I want to beat the Cavs to show that last year was a fluke. On the other hand, it's seemed like the Celtics and Pistons were on a collision course in the conference finals ever since Boston made the trade for KG. That series seems like it was destined to happen, you know?
mathking @ 45:
Hear hear.
derek, i think the pistons will beat either team. the cavs aren't good enough especially without gibson. remember him. the celtics don't have the mental toughness that the pistons posess.
The best player around whom one should build a team is definitely subjective. I've seen this topic discussed before, and most people tend to make either one of two arguments: 1) You have have a big man in the middle (think Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon) or 2) You have to have a great point guard who can distribute the ball very effectivey while being able to score some on his own as well (think Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas). Of course, these two lines of thought leave out the middle men like Elgin Baylor, Julius Erving, Larry Bird and, most notably, Michael Jordan - would any GM in his right mind choose not to build a team around any of those four players? No freakin' way.
So who would I choose? Well, if I go with the "Big Man in the Middle" method, obviously I would have to go with somebody not listed in this poll. Right now the only young center in the NBA around whom I would build a team is Orlando's Dwight Howard (though Atlanta's Al Horford would merit some consideration). If I go with the "Great Point Guard" method, I would go with Chris Paul - and not just because I live in New Orleans and have seen him play in person about 23 times this season (how lucky am I?). CP3 has everything you want in a great point guard: incredible ball-handling skills & court awareness combined with an ability to score points on his own and natural leadership skills. The only weakness of CP3's game is his 3-point shooting percentage, and even that has been improving steadily. One could make a case for Deron Williams of Utah, if only because he seems to be the only rival point guard who gets the better of CP3 in head-to-head matchups (Williams's Jazz were 3-1 versus CP3's Hornets this season largely because of the unique ability Williams and his Jazz teammates have for shutting down CP3). The funny thing is just how close these two point guards seem to be: CP3 had the better rookie year, then Deron Williams progressed more quickly and had the better sophomore season, and this year CP3 has vaulted back in front of Williams. Ask this question again next year and I might be answering Deron Williams. If I simply take the best available player regardless of position, I'm going with LeBron James - no questions asked. He's called "King James" for a reason. In fact, LeBron's been a household name for so long (ever since SI's "The Chosen One" cover story when he was still a junior in high school), people take his all-around skills for granted. You would be surprised how few fans realize that LeBron averages just over eight rebounds a game and just under eight assists per game to go along withose thirty points per game. The man is simply ridiculous.
And with all due respect to Dwight Howard, Deron Williams and especially local hero Chris Paul, I would have to go with LeBron James if I were starting an NBA team around one current player.
Who cares about the poll.
Go Lakers!!!
Kind of an irrelevant poll anyway because Kobe is the BEST PLAYER in the league.
BB @ 30:
I'll toast to that at the barbeque this afternoon. Kobe is an outstanding player, but he isn't the leader that each of these three is.
Lebron gets the edge, but either Paul or Deron Williams (in that order) would be awesome point guards to have on my team. The question is can you get a point guard and an offense to work with Lebron. I don't think he has the skill to make the whole thing work from the point. Would the triangle work with him? I don't know the ins and outs (the what-have-yous) of the triangle, but if it worked with Jordan at the two, I'd at least take a look at it.
The odd thing to note is that, of the 5 best players in the NBA, 3 came straight out of high school and the other 2 went to Wake Forest.
Now, I'm willing to remove Garnett from the list, but still:
LeBron - HS
Kobe - HS
Paul - Wake
Duncan - Wake
Garnett - HS
Kind of a coincidence.
Out of the three, I go with Lebron with a slight lead over Paul; however, I wish the best both of luck. As a New Yorker, I hate to see Boston do well at anything, and another NBA final with San Antonio guarantees good ratings to whatever else is on the telly. They're a good team, but too boring.
I'm laughing at the fact that Larry Bird has been used as a comparative model. Anyone who makes it at the NBA level exhibits somewhat of a work ethic....Larry was unique because of his...that and a willingness to be there all the time...I too, have been a basketball fan and player for 50 years...and no one has provided me with more delight than Larry. I have hope for Dwight Howard and a Bill Russel like career....the game has become as if played on a court half the size of the old days...I wonder why nobody mentioned Duane Wade?...is he all washed up? Playing with Shaq and trying to keep his big ass out of losses may have cost him....This year's playoffs refereeing has been way uneven....from ticky tack fouls on key players....to no calls when fouls are blatant....the game is one of momentum and rhythm....LeBron is still growing, I haven't had much chance to see Chris Paul or Deron Wms....It comes down to who is most unwilling to lose.
Now now put the tinfoil hat down.......if Bynum hadn't gone down they wouldn't have been looking for a Gasol.
In addition the Lakers were #1 when Andrew was injured.
It's Lebron, the Phenom. There's no doubt about it. Everything you need. And I'll say Chris Paul is damn unique. Deron Williams. Utah can have him. And I'm from Illinois. Peace.
All the way with LBJ! But with Danny Ferry (and his lifetime goal of screwing Cavs fans) as GM, the Cavs will never get those kinds of deals, and LeBron will be on his own.
Also, it's not exactly "tinhat thinking" to say that the major sports favor big markets. Those teams are given every opportunity to succeed, while small markets are the interchangeable and portable farm systems for the big market teams. The big market teams (who have a national following from tv coverage and fans relocating) may not always win, but they'll be in the hunt because the leagues need to keep the peripheral/bandwagon fans involved to keep revenues up. It's funny how much "tinhat thinking" sounds like Marketing 101.
agree on the big markets, that's why what the spurs have accomplished is amazing. those that think they're boring just don't get it. they must be the same people who think bush is a great guy to have a beer with. if the idiot media say it enough times, fools will think it's true. parker and ginoblii are 2 of the most entertaining players in the nba.
John Amato @ 39:
You played cornerback and center? Holy smokes, John--that's versatile, and that's not a mix I've ever heard of before. Do you have Deion's speed with Orlando Pace's size (not likely...)?
Regardless, my respect for you grows.
I take Chris Paul over Lebron James anyday. Darren Williams is also good but not as good as LBJ and CP3. Lebron James does have a good team with shooters. I don't know what you guys are talking about. The Cavs are one of the best defensive teams and their big men can shoot. LIke Z man, he can also post up. If there's something wrong its their whole coaching staff.
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