June 08, 2008 11:30 PM
Open Thread
Friend of C&L Freeway Blogger writes: "looks like some churches are joining in the act!"
Open Thread below...
Friend of C&L Freeway Blogger writes: "looks like some churches are joining in the act!"
Open Thread below...

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I have a banner just like that one hanging above my church office window facing the street.
Yes, churches are "getting into the act."
Obama/Kucinich '08!
Churches, all churches, especially the Catholic church, should have made a statement the first day it was revealed we were a torturing nation. Any church that stays quiet on the issue is in effect, quietly condoning evil.
Oh, and if churches really did believe all that loving god shit and brotherhood of man stuff, they would never stay quiet while the US perpetrated an illegal, unprovoked lie of a war.
Psychological torture.
I can't understand why it has taken the church/religious organizations so long to come to this conclusion. Was it politically advantageous to turn a blind eye? Torture is torture whatever the motive.
I just listened to Kucinich, he's great!
JustSickOfIt @ 5:
It is called Tacit Consent and i wholeheartedly agree. A lot of people are condemning the Democrats in Congress for not doing anything. Well, where is the support? The Religous Community should be all over this issue. Why the silence? A banner is nice but the Catholic Bishops should condemn it and every other denomination should be demanding an end to it as well.
Pray with your actions and maybe they will be answered.
baby jesus has always been presently absent on the big issues
In his laughably insipid and soporific election night speech in front of a puke green background on which was written a slogan derived directly from the Obama campaign, Republican less-than-hopeful Gone InSane criticized the media's treatment of Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries.
Later, when asked about that criticism, InSane, fumbling for words, denied ever having said it, claiming that it had been written into the speech, but that he had not actually uttered it. He explained that he's "not in the business on commenting on the press and their coverage or not coverage," which, I suppose cleared everything up for everyone who wasn't paying any attention in the first place.
The problem for InSane, however, was that the cameras were rolling when he gave the worst speech in recent political history, which makes Keith Olbermann seem to question InSane's, ahem, sanity. But, Jonathon Alter makes the interesting point that when InSane last ran for president, it was far easier to lie so blatantly, because the video of such speeches was on tape and in a vault of a private network. Nowadays, it's on YouTube, and anyone can access it.
Ahh, the internet. It really does change everything. I'm so thankful for it. I thank Gore for it. :)
I'm worried. What if McCain takes the advice in this video re his Veep selection?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TXfiOSCfY44
Support Pat Tillman, because you know damn well he's do the same for us, you or me. His family deserves our attention and support.
JustSickOfIt @ 5:
LOL @ the idea of the Catholic Church scolding ANYONE about torture. If they were honest their statement would have to read: "Torture's great! We've used it for millenia!"
Churches should stay the fuck out of politics. Period.
Hello Karen ,x et al. Looks like there is fun to be had tonight at the expense of right wing friends.
Kai @ 13:
But Gone InSane says that the Constitution established the United States as a Christian nation.
What? Seriously. He said that.
If torture is wrong why do so many churches persist in scheduling worship so early on Sunday before I've begun to recover from Saturday. That's how they lost me.
baby jesus was for torture before being against it
xoites @9,
Your last sentence says it all.
Freeway Blogger rocks
Orangutan. @ 12:
Actually, I know no such thing. What, exactly, were his politics? Was he just looking to kill some Muzzies for Christ?
More than the other 4000+ families that have lost members in Bush's pointless, illegal war? More than the families of the thousands of Iraqis who have died more needlessly than he did?
Oh, wait... He was famous, sort of. Well, that makes it okay to give him special attention, right?
Personally, I find nothing about the military or serving in it to be honorable. The military exists to kill and further line the pockets of wealthy corporations. So someone joins it and goes off to kill his fellow human beings and then gets killed himself by others trying to do exactly the same thing. Karma's a bitch.
Peter G @ 17:
Ehh, at least you weren't raised Jewish. That religion ruins your Friday nights altogether. :)
Peter G @ 15:
Hi Pete, Hi Karen. :)
No thanks. I spent a very long time today trying to make Denis utter a coherent idea. I gave up.
Legalized Torture? Have a nice Uday!
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Kai @ 21:
Not paying attention to the Pat Tilman story, eh? He was an atheist who signed up after 9/11 for missions in Afghanistan. He wanted to help catch the people who committed that atrocity, but ended up dead under shady circumstances covered up by the military. His lack of religion might have had something to do with it.
While I find some legitimacy to your contempt for the military in principle, it's safe to assume he was genuine in his desire to protect all of us.
Just got back from a visit to the home page of CNN.
Not a single word about Kucinich and impeachment.
Let us count the reasons to bust the corporate media monopolies...
Bush cares more about contractors hiring illegals
than doing illegal activities. Ayatollah Khameini doesn't like us being in Iraq for some reason. Debt is leading to stress
for many Americans. Corn prices go up, due to flooding in the Midwest. Food stamp usage is also on the upswing.
European truckers protest over oil prices.
Lollimom @ 26:
That might not be such a bad thing at this point. I would like the Judiciary Committee to conduct its full investigations now, but without much attention. I want the attention to go to Obama's vision for the future and InSane's lack thereof.
Then, after Obama has been elected, the "lame duck" Congress should vote to impeach.
The trial should wait until the new Senate is inaugurated in January.
Karen @ 25:
I also heard he was voicing opposition to the War in Afghanistan shortly before being killed. I have no idea if this is true or not. Does anybody else know?
Lollimom @ 26:
I don't do scientific notation.
Karen @ 29:
Might that not be a little late?
Obama is targeting evangelicals with the Joshua Generation Project.
McCain basically wasted his 3 month headstart.
xoites defends Constitution @ 23:
A rather sisyphean task if ever there was one. Still, as trolls go, Dennis is usually fun to take down.
Lollimom @ 26:
Perhaps because he an insignificant backbencher, a legend only in his own mind? Besides, he's ranting about impeaching Bush is hardly new(s).
If Kucinich thinks this will get him the increased visibility he needs to become a viable VP candidate, he's tilting at windmills (again).
xoites defends Constitution @ 30:
He was protesting the Iraq war.
xoites defends Constitution @ 32:
Can the American people press criminal or civil charges against the President? What about a mother who lost their son or daughter in the illegal war called Iraq? Can she file a civil suit against Bush for wrongful death or something?
xoites defends Constitution @ 32:
They'd have a couple weeks left in the Bush Administration, so technically, no.
And anyone impeached would be ineligible for federal pardons.
Thanks Janet.
(We actually do talk face to face.) :)
Karen @ 38:
Handing them out as well?
Kai @ 35:
Your dismissal of 35 articles of impeachment, delivered over a period of about 5 hours, now in the Congressional record, is mighty indicative of troll behavior.
That's 35 fact-filled articles that can and will be used against republicans seeking office in November.
Mister Anderson @ 37:
I believe the answers to these questions are:
No.
No. Annnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddd...
No.
Of course one could sue the GOVERNMENT itself.
Then, of course, Bush's case could always be brought before the ICC for war crimes, etc. I believe people in Australia are looking in to doing that to their former PM.
Personally, I think it would totally appropriate to see Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al. in the dock in the Hague.
Lollimom @ 41:
Yeah, but it's nothing we haven't heard or seen before. That's my point. It isn't going anywhere. Just more sound and fury signifying nothing new.
Mister Anderson @ 37:
No. The justice department would have to.
Yes, but not for policies made while president.
Nope, that would be suing for policy.
Kai @ 21:
Re: Pat Tillman
Sports Illustrated ran a great article fairly recently on Mr. Tillman. I suggest you read it before making more comments like this one. He squeezed every drop he could out of life, and if he were here right now, you better believe he'd have our backs on C&L. He was truly a hero.
Re: Torture
What the Jack Bauer crowd doesn't understand about torture boils down to this: Some of us would lay down our lives rather than become a nation that tortures. Indeed, many of our forebears have made that supreme sacrifice. They laid down their lives for a country that stood for something. Those that support torture claim they support it because it "may prevent the next attack". Cowards and chickenhawks, every one of them. They are throwing away the America I grew up in, and the America that I love. I too cannot believe the degree to which we've accepted torture.
From my local horoscope:
McCain's New Strategy: Do Unto the American People What Lieberman Did Unto Connecticut.
Don't let him get away with it.
The key message McCain will try to convey is that he too wants to end the Iraq War, as committed to it as, well, Joe Lieberman was when he lied his way to re-election during his 2006 Senate campaign.
That's a Church???
Do they know about the Inquisition?
What would Jesus Do? Burn witches, apparently.
Hypocrites are funny.......
45 Tommy Hussein
Very well fucking said!
Tequila @ 46:
Yeah, but astrology and card divination are bullshit, so who cares.
Karen @ 44:
Then it's settled. If Bush can't be brought to justice then no President can or will as long as we value parties over people.
Kai @ 42:
No, one can't.
Me too.
It is no surprise that churches are late speaking out against torture. The most bizarre people I know are the most religious that I know. More often than not they are GOP'ers it seems. I feel they have been brainwashed into believing everything they pay to hear. Seeing folks still pouring money into the Catholic church after their ahem "sex" crimes is especially disturbing but is the most telling proof that confused and lost people will believe anything they were brainwashed into believing, no matter what. Like many that support the war, they were brainwashed into thinking it was needed. Those that are brainwashed are more easily brainwashed again and again.
If there was a god, he would never have let us kill so many innocent iraqi's and destroy that country, and bankrupt our own country looting the oil.
Pray for a government with morals.
Frank @ 48:
"And what do we burn besides witches?"
"MORE WITCHES!"
Curious as to why you are suddenly paying over four dollars a gallon for gas? It's not supply and demand, it's not OPEC, it's corporate speculation on electronic oil price futures. I just discovered a lucid explanation about why we are suffering from such high oil and gasoline prices in the last several years: corporate speculation on electronic oil futures markets in New York (NYmex), London (ICE Futures) and Dubai (Dubai Mercantile Exchange (DME)). See the web site: http://www.financialsense.com/ editorials/ engdahl/ 2008/ 0502.html for all the depressing details. It seems that in Jan. 2006, the Bush Administration dropped the ball on regulating oil futures trading in a computerized system, and since then, large banks, pension funds and other players have been making billions of dollars in speculative trading of computerized oil futures contracts. All of these corporate profits are coming right out of our pockets (surprise…).
The home page is http://www.financialsense.com, the author is F. William Engdahl and the article is PERHAPS 60% OF TODAY’S OIL
PRICE IS PURE SPECULATION, written 2 May 2008
This barebones summary should be passed on to researchers that can digest the whole article and then explain it to Congressmen and Senators (Obama?) and demand that the Bush Administration institute serious regulation and end this absurd ripoff of the world’s drivers…
Frank @ 48:
I think this is the third comment about the Inquisition. That was so...so 1480's man!
Listen as an athiest who was raised a Catholic i just happen to know that torture is against the teachings of the Christianity. The only way the churches will practice torture now is by not speaking up when their government practices it in their name!
Wait!
Um...
Nevermind.
james k. sayre @ 55:
I really don't think he dropped the ball. He hit a homerun. Dick Cheney must ejaculate on the hour.
xoites defends Constitution @ 56:
As another atheist who was raised a Catholic I would like to take issue with your opinion. Except that I can't think of any reason to do so.
xoites defends Constitution @ 23:
xoites, I watched from the sidelines and I have to say I was impressed by your battles. I believe there were multiple trolls in that arena today.
You're right. I gave dennis too much credit before I think. All he did was regurgitate the same Fox propaganda . And some other forgettable bastard troll actually used something Cheney said as a fact.
james k. sayre @ 55:
I have found that most people have swallowed the whole "peak oil" excuse. When you say "speculation", they look at you like you're from Mars.
People need to rationalize the unbelievable, unreasonable record-shattering daily price rises, because surely an oil company would not and could not just blatantly gouge consumers.
If ordinary bread escalated to $9.00 per loaf, and the industry said we were at "peak wheat" production, the public would swallow that one, too.
Speculators are getting wildly rich off this whole peak-oil ride, and consumers are getting wildly screwed.
StirFry @ 59:
I have to admit, i was dumbfounded by the shear idiocy Denis was spewing but he was topped by "Steve Hayes Fan."
The two of them together could not make a pair.
StirFry @ 59:
Which thread was that on? I must have missed the fun.
Karen @ 11:
I really think McWTF has something wrong with his brain. Some sort of pathology....pre-senility, mets from his cancer, or sub clinical strokes. Something ain't right.
And that creepy chuckle, good god! Make it go away daddy!
I await BushCo® to begin proceedings to remove the tax exempt status of this church for taking a moral stand that is not that of BushCo®.
Countdown Redux: Richard Clarke On Bush Administration - “We Can’t Let These People Back Into Polite Society”
By: Logan Murphy @ 6:45 AM - PDT
Near the end Denis called me a racist. I was not there. Keep reading until you get to my response.
Lollimom @ 60:
the banks and financial institutions are trying recoupe some of their losses several reasons for the crude prices speculation is one of them another of course is the weak u.s. dollar foreign investors are doing great and there buying crude futures with a great exchange it's complicated by design
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/artic
check it out
karl @ 67:
URL not found...
karl @ 67:
Does not work. Can you try reposting it?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/030608swindle.htm
try this sorry people
I hope something comes out of this:
Senators introduce bill to block military propaganda campaigns
Because if McIIIrd becomes president, we'll be launching missles into Iran on Jan 21.
karl @ 70:
You should be! That was the first broken link i have ever encountered!
:)
karl @ 70:
Must be talkin ta me, cuz I is one sorry peephole...
Hyall
Where's Ron?
;-}
StirFry @ 71:
I thought it was already illegal.
Proud2bHumble @ 73:
No idea, but i hope he is getting some rest.
Hi 2b. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 75:
Been missin ya (a little)...:)
Wow x. That was some thread. BTW how did you make out persuading the brick wall?
Good, i am taken. :)
Peter G @ 77:
That was easy. As soon as it did not respond i knew it understood it was inanimate.
Hey P2B What's new? And funny.
Hey xoites!
xoites defends Constitution @ 79:
FIFY
;-}
Peter G @ 80:
Funny, you should ask...
And Hi Stan ;-)
sen. jim webb on jon stewart
xoites defends Constitution @ 74:
That's so pre-911 way of thinking.
Hi Stan! :)
StirFry @ 85:
The more you get to know me the more you will come to realize that i am a pre-9/11 kinda guy.
Kai @ 54:
Brilliant follow up. Bravo.
xoites and Peter G.:
I'm a Recovering Catholic. I should have mentioned that.
My therapist told me to stay 1000 feet away from all Churches, even the ones that sell chicken.
Good thing my therapist isn't a priest, by the way - because they are actually combinations of an analyst and a therapist - an analrapist (many apologies to the writers of Arrested Development for using their joke without permission)
Frank @ 88:
I do miss the Bingo nights but dammit, they changed me into a newt.
Frank @ 88:
Hi Frank. :)
Took me years to realize what the confessional was all about:keeping tabs on the parishioners.
Where did Roscoe Painful Peehole go ... he`s been scarce lately.
Hey Prou., I admit that I did also use that "Hello!" to xoites as a method to remind me to reset my pseudo for the general election. I've been meaning to do that for a few days ... it can always be changed again (if I can remember to do it!).
The original wire tap.
Stan Rosenthal @ 92:
That went right over my head. What are you talking about?
hello Calg (blushing as I speak) ...
I'm not bitter, or Hussain anymore. Until they attempt to use that against Senator Obama in the general election, xoites. BTW: I consider you a true leader (especially on this topic.)
xoites defends Constitution @ 93:
Tell me about it. Sanctity of the confession my ass. Just once a guy confesses to swiping Christmas lights to pop on the street and the next day he's got eight well informed hard ass nuns giving him the hairy eyeball. After that I stuck to "having impure thoughts". That shook em'.
I had to take a break after watching Kucinich take the administration to the preimpeachment.
Hello there Stan (blushing also). Hope all is well. Hope Roscoe PP is somewhere far away from us all :-)
Stan Rosenthal @ 96:
Oh, i see. You do not need a leader Stan. You have all that matters.
calgarylady @ 99:
Hey, how come you don't give me that kind of attention?
calgarylady @ 99:
There seems to be a story there. Shall we leave you two alone?
Ron @ 101:
Hi Ron! :)
Maybe because you just showed up?
xoites defends Constitution @ 90:
:)
Reminds me of a joke....
Tommy goes into a confessional box and says, "Bless me father, for I have sinned. I have been with a loose woman." The Priest says, "Is that you Tommy?" "Yes father, it is I." "Who was the woman you were with?" I cannot tell you... For I do not wish to sully her reputation." The priest asks, "Was it Brenda O'Malley?" "No father." "Was it Fiona MacDonald?" "No father." "Was it Ann Brown?" "No father, I cannot tell you." The priest says I admire your perseverance but you must atone for your sins. Your penance will be five Our Fathers and four Hail Marys. Tommy goes back to his pew and his buddy Sean slides over and asks, "What happened?" Tommy replies, "I got five Our Fathers, four Hail Marys and three good leads."
Bonus joke:
A priest goes on vacation and asks another priest to fill in for him at confession. He tells him he has it all worked out with a book that lists all the penalties for sins. So the priest is hearing confession and a babe walks in and confesses to lying, stealing and giving a guy a blowjob. The priest looks in the book and find a Hail Mary for lying, a Hail Mary for stealing and can’t find the penalty for a blowjob. So he sticks his head out the confessional door and sees an altar boy. He calls the boy over and asks, “What does Father O’Malley give for a blow job?” The altar boy says, “Usually a snickers bar and a coke.”
Peter G @ 102:
I wanna watch. ;)
calgarylady @ 99:
I hope he does too, I already took a shower...
Hi Clady ;-}
Fertilizer prices are on the rise.
xoites defends Constitution @ 103:
Wow, do I have to be by her all the time? We're not married.
Tequila @ 107:
What isn't on the rise?
xoites defends Constitution @ 100:
He Stans on his own...
;-}
xoites defends Constitution @ 109:
My erection
Ron @ 108:
2b was asking earlier so i noticed. :)
He does indeed, 2b.
Stan?
Ron @ 111:
Try more yeast....
;-}
Yeast? That's deviant!
Ron @ 111:
Still playing with tinker toys Ron? Or is it Lego?
OK, guys. I`m feeling a little exuberant tonight. It`s good to keep the ladies happy at all times.
And a special hello to Ron.
Proud2bHumble @ 115:
Trying to avoid it cause of yeast infection.
Frank, i will tell you a joke if you are still here.
Johnny, who is five, runs into the house demanding that his mother tells him where he came from.
Mommy sighs and thinks, "Well, why not? Might as well get it out of the way."
So she sits Johnny down for a 45 minute chat and when it is all over Johnny jumps up and says, "Billy's from Baltimore!"
xoites defends Constitution @ 116:
I donut know what you mean...could you explain the hole thing?
;-}
calgarylady @ 118:
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Now I feel better.
And 2b, of course ...
Hi Calgary Lady :)
> Hey, how come you don’t give me that kind of attention?
I "have a very bad, attention span, It's a mess". ;-)
> There seems to be a story there. Shall we leave you two alone?
$500,000, $1,000,000.00, even more!!!! We'll split it evenly (and even donate some to worthy things!!!!)
calgarylady @ 118:
You were uberrant and now you're not? Good for you...x just accused me of bein aberrant...which is true :)
Stan Rosenthal @ 125:
My thingy is worthy...$$??
Stan Rosenthal @ 125:
Sure, just send me my share and I will make sure that it's evenly distributed.
Proud2bHumble @ 126:
Didn't your Antelope?
Prou -
> My thingy is worthy…$$??
As much as "truthiness" itself, my friend. :-)
Well, as far as mental gymnastics goes this sure beats Sodoku. I'm just very, very confused.
xoites defends Constitution @ 129:
If you just pun't, you're not gonna get in the end soon...
;-}
Did anyone else watch Kucinich put forth the 35 articlals of impeachment. There were a few real weak suck trolls. No challenge at all.
xoites defends Constitution @ 120:
Good one :)
Peter G @ 131:
Get off the high bar, we're down here doing flour routines...haha
;-}
xoites defends Constitution @ 9:
Dude, I love that phrase. I'm going to be using that on all my holier than though associates the next time they tell me they are praying for me. You just made my day. Thanks.
Proud2bHumble @ 132:
This may blow your mind butt getting into the end soon or ever is not my objective.
Stan Rosenthal @ 130:
Weeeeelllllllll, maybe not your's.
JustSickOfIt @ 136:
In the midst of punhappiness, someone who's content...
JustSickOfIt @ 136:
Thank you. that was an very nice thing to say. You made my day. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 137:
Yet you're a colorful analyst...
;-}
Proud2bHumble @ 135:
Then I'll stop pummeling the dead horse and join you.
Ron @ 138:
"That's it - Weel like a pig" - Deliverance
;-}
Proud2bHumble @ 141:
Ok, i think you are holier than thou.
Ah, tis late. I`m feeling a little overwhelmed here. Must sleep ... too much for a lady to handle ... in one sitting at least .... good night, all :-)
calgarylady @ 145:
Sitting is a very good defensive position under the circumstances.
Peter G @ 89:
You'll get better.
Peter G @ 142:
I have a parallel bar, but I'd rather hang out in the ball room tonite...(apologies to the ladies)
;-}
Proud2bHumble @ 143:
If you don't have anything to deliver, why would you want to embarrass yourself?
A well built blond is standing in line behind some rowdy boys waiting her turn in the confessional. As each boy emerges he sloshes his hand in the Holy water font and goes of to do his penance. Finally the blond pipes up and says: Easy on the Holy water boys I'm going to have to gargle with that shortly.
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