July 10, 2008 11:00 PM
Open Thread
Look out, Max and the Marginalized are back, this time with their FISA song, Free Evenings and Weekends.
Look out, Max and the Marginalized are back, this time with their FISA song, Free Evenings and Weekends.

are candidate's spouses necessarily off-limits?
for example, if i encounter a rumor suggesting cindy's an a.i. blow-up doll hellbent on the destruction of the u.s. on behalf of her mechanical masters, through the puppeteering of john mccain's animal desires, am i not dutibound as a patriotic american citizen to find an adequate internet political b-log and air my concerns?
The Nation: Our Warrantless Wiretapping Lawsuit
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/336123
posted by Katrina vanden Heuvel
June 10, 2008
This afternoon, President Bush signed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, a piece of legislation that will needlessly expand the government's ability to spy on Americans and ensure that the country never learns the full extent of Bush's unlawful wiretapping. There were many good Senators who showed courage in standing up to the White House and for the Constitution, but not enough.
A few hours after Bush's signing, The Nation joined with the ACLU in a lawsuit filed in the US District Court (Southern District) of New York challenging the constitutionality of the Act. The Nation is suing on behalf of itself, our staff and two of our contributing writers--Chris Hedges and Naomi Klein. The defendants are the Attorney General of the United States, Michael Mukasey; John M. "Mike" McConnell, Director of National Intelligence; and Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, Director of the National Security Agency and Chief of the Security Service. We filed suit along with a coalition of other plaintiffs including Amnesty International USA, Human Rights Watch, Global Fund for Women, PEN American Center, Washington Office on Latin America, Service Employees International Union and several private attorneys.
Why are we joining this lawsuit?
...
more at link ..
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/336123
MountainMan23
Sure would be nice to have you blogging on Repeal Fisa.
http://repealfisa.wordpress.com/
bullfrog @ 1:
You'd be in the McFly No Zone over her blow hole if you did... "This is a job for the Hindenburglar!"
Forget Pittsburgh, McCain Now Pandering to the Broadway Crowd
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=2003
News Not Good for Wash Post
Friday July 11, 10:23 am ET
By Ann Northrop, CFA
More than one-third of The Washington Post's (NYSE: WPO - News) revenue comes from newspapers and broadcasting businesses that are in secular decline. As readers migrate to the Internet and TV viewers seek other forms of entertainment, ad dollars shrink. The poor economy and consequent weak ad spending are exacerbating the deterioration, with no visibility to improvement.
...
WPO's Magazine publishing division is suffering greater than the overall industry, whose circulation has not fallen as sharply as the newspaper industry. The company is attempting to pare its cost structure in line with the shrunken revenue stream, announcing a Voluntary Retirement Incentive Program to some Newsweek employees. In February 2008, 115 employees accepted the offer.
If only they would report the news...
Proud2bHumble @ 4:
You're speaking about McC*ntical problems, no?
xoites defends Constitution @ 7:
I'd settle for them and cnn getting a zero audience share.
"The TRUTH shall increase your profits!"
Keith Olbermann's viewers increased by 60% after his Special Comment Rumsfeld's Hitler Comment.
The Washington Post sold a LOT of papers during Watergate. I wonder why?
The network evenings news has declined ever since they became infomercials for the drug companies. Whoda thunk it?
this is the fortune Global 500 list
astonishing!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 8:
LOL :)
Anything else would be a fellatious argument...not to over analeyes...
;-}
the mayor owns the media and there is no public questioning this as a conflict of interest. yes, we have problems.
Oil Companies
Auto makers
Insurance Companies
Credit Card Companies
Arms Dealers
Banks
Seems to me we could have quite a pleasant little planet without a single one of them.
Proud2bHumble @ 13:
LOL :)
Anything else would be a fellatious argument...not to over analeyes...
;-}
too bad he's not a cunning linguist. he C*nt even mix a metaphor.
12 CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! Says: this is the fortune Global 500 list
have a look and see how many of them are related to the extraction or consumption of fossil fuels.
astonishing!
=================
Oil Companies
Auto Makers
Arms Dealers
Insurance Companies
Drug Dealers
Credit Card Companies
All businesses the planet would be better off without.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 6:
If they would print the news and get rid of the right wing slant on their OPEDs they could bring it around.
I saw Gonzo tonight. It's a great movie. Everyone should go see it.
http://www.huntersthompsonmovie.com/
I know that a lot of us are disappointed with the FISA vote but bear with me. The Senate sent the bill to the House with overwhelming approval last fall. The House turned it down with a large majority. Then, Steny and Rockerfeller work out a deal with the Senate and brought it back to the House and it passes with an overwhelming majority, it goes back to the Senate and they pass the new revisions.
Now I don’t know if you all remember but, last fall 6 nukes were transported from Minot, ND to a base in the south. Now they report that it was only 5 nukes.. I think that there is still one missing nuke and it was possibly used as a threat against a major city in our country. That I believe, may be the reason, the bill passed.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but we know something doesn’t smell right in passing this bill.
Your thoughts.
If the right wing slant in the op eds were actually opposite the eds that would be good too.
Media Trolls are being exposed
I'm loving it. Oh Yes I am!
Media we can trust:
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 15:
too bad he's not a cunning linguist. he C*nt even mix a metaphor.
Depends on the Viagra, he's definitely covering up some useless dickfor.
21 CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! Says: Media Trolls are being exposed
more and more people are turning on them or turning them off.
=============================
I fee like saying, "No shit, lady!"
Law Professor Says McCain Fails Constitutional Requirement for President
obviously quotelexia having I am bout of
xoites defends Constitution @ 25:
be nice. she seems to be on our side.
I don't dislike her, i just wish the obvious was taken as such.
Time for Iraq War Oil Profits Taxes
by: Nick Mottern, t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Part I
Part II
xoites defends Constitution @ 29:
the fully aware are few and precious. I applaud those who are still awakening. I don't think we differ on that, to be fair. Like you, I wish everyone had their lights turned on.
My posts are being lost. I am too tired to retype everything tonight.
GNA!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 8:
it's a pretty good arrangement, actually.
johnny mac gets to bathe in budweiser bubblebath, while cindy gets to deliver almost as many soundbites as a barbie pull-string doll...
xoites defends Constitution @ 32:
I thought there was something going on also.
I was thinkng that the reason the Dems let Bush have his way on executive discretion is so they can actually get their domestic legislation passed. They figure it'll help inflate his ego enough to keep him distracted, so they can pass bills which help the rest of us.
Anyway, one of our own Olympians is already a hero
before he even participated in the event. (The poor guy has testicular cancer.) The one good thing about higher gas prices is less idiots on the road. A hospital error led to an overdose of blood thinner for 14 infants. Stocks tumble over the Fannie and Freddie crises. Bush turns against Nixon's one useful environmental law, because he cares more about oil companies making billions than saving the world. I guess he doesn't mind burn victims, either.
Ron @ 20:
I am fantasizing that Obama will use the super-presidency powers of boosh to reverse as much of the damage as possible. but that is just what is is - hope.
otherwise, I might feel inclined to get in line behind Jesse Jackson and see what's left after jackson takes Obama's jar of Planters nuts. figuratively speaking, of course.
Rove avoids subpoena by fleeing the country.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/10/rove-avoids-subpoena-by-fleeing-the-...
Tequila @ 35:
so they're not pussies, eh?
[no disrespect intended to female genitalia or small feline critters]
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 36:
You have to admit, the passing of this bill goes beyond any rational thought. I really think there is a threat. I'm not sure what the threat is, but it doesn't pass the smell test.
xoites defends Constitution @ 32:
I have been moderation recently, I hope my presence isn't triggering anything in the blog defense mechanism. I thought I asked for a truce with the sitemonitor.
Day Day for tomorrow, X!
Super genius Fred Barnes agrees with Gramm that America is a bunch of lazy, good for nothin, filthy whiners.
The people are "right through this down turn, spending like mad." Wow, the horseshit from FauxNews is also in HD.
Ron @ 39:
I think it's purely rational to think of a need to have those powers to undo the booscheney damage. that's the only reason I can wrap my head around. If the 1998, clinton-directed surveillance plan was used by boosh to compromise the Dems, I'm ok with using the powers to find where the bodies are buried and dig them up and bring the perpretators to justice. then restore the 4th amendment.
The FISA song is terrific.
Keep it up, the low info crowd may get hip to the fact that they, we all have been had.
The International Red Cross has a report that mentions war crimes for, well, our favorite war criminal, and that is not the President of Sudan.
Chimpy may get his due yet.
Fannie and Freddie are strung out to the tune 5 trillion plus, half of which may be garbage.
So is the Fed going to add 2.5 trillion to the national debt in one whack?
I haven't heard an explanation of where they found the authority for the 200 billion of the Bear Stearns et al debacle.
StirFry @ 41:
LOL!
harley @ 37:
Oh yeah, like Congress is going to arrest him. Rove didn't have to flee the US to avoid the subpoena. All he had to do was not show up, which he did. Congress won't do anything and Rove knows it.
xoites defends Constitution @ 17:
and every one of them with an umbilical to the USTreasury.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 45:
So do you and I.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 42:
In every major situation in the past 7+ years they have used fear to manipulate everything that has a major impact on our country.
That's what the republicans bring us!
Americans Face Hurdles Voting Abroad in Upcoming Election
by: Richard Wolf, USA Today
republican voter fraud has helped corrupt the last four elections.
Ron @ 48:
TRUE!
and they have also used fear to manipulate the dems, if fear is the real reason and not simply the ostensible reason.
harley @ 37:
he's not fleeing. he's house hunting.
Ron @ 48:
Oh, you mean like the anthrax killer, who targeted Dems and the media. Or how about illegal wiretapping of everyone, including Congress? And who knows what else the Bushies are doing with Total Information Awareness, which still exists in different forms. Plus, aren't some of the Dems who voted for FISA in the pay of the telecoms?
Fear isn't the only weapon. There's also greed and power, to name a few.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 51:
On my original post @20, I only want to raise the awareness of what could be the real reason for what's happening. There are some missing nukes and remember how the PDAs were ignored by the administration before 911. That was their Pearl Harbor mentioned in the PNAC papers. Keep an open mind.
case in point involving having a surrogate attack so we can aid our ally:
Leslie [Hussein] @ 53:
Like a good General, we have to anticipate what the enemy might do.
Ron @ 54:
the nukes were found, but the circumstances of their disappearance are at best questionable. the Presidential Daily Brief was ignored by Condi, who did not see fit to take it from Richard Clark and give it to the president.
yes, there's plenty of hairy shit afoot.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 57:
The original reports were that 6 nukes were transported but only 5 were reported in later reports and they were recovered.
Ron @ 58:
let's dig up some links. I remember the story got a bit complicated, like, how could they get them out past the protocols. there were a few versions of that story, as well.
possible false-flag setup?
Cointel: Well, I think that, in general, the Dems are screwing us over less than they did during the Clinton years, even if it's not as obvious. For example, back then, they had no problems bringing back domestic nuclear weapons programs we were supposed to have ended. They're also more reluctant, nowadays, to let Big Business run rough-shod over the environment in exchange for not laying off people. And they're not as two-faced about slashing vital social programs as they were in the 90s. I know it's not much of a trade-off, when we're giving up our civil liberties in the process, but it feels like there's the potential for a better rewards than what we were left with in 2000. I wasn't really impressed with a surplus built on a bubble economy with fewer safety nets than when we first elected Bubba.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 59:
Check this link.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/09/six_of_our_nukes_are...
ATTENTION US CITIZENS - Sign Congressman Dennis Kucinich Petition to IMPEACH George W Bush
http://impeachment.kucinich.us/petition/index2.php?FName=Trisha&LName=Ro...
Missing nuke components:
Tequila @ 60:
we're not far apart on those points.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 63:
Now, do you understand where I'm coming from?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 63:
When is Congress going to investigate these unprecedented incidences of apparent incompetence, where various levels of safety protocols and security systems had to be bypassed, disabled and compromised? Just asking.
My guess is that Cheney had a plan to use these things against Iran and it was mistakenly uncovered.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/10776
Ron @ 61:
I read that article then and got the impression that all were found
the Fin Times article points out that components were missing.
parsing maybe.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 66:
When is Congress going to investigate these unprecedented incidences of apparent incompetence, where various levels of safety protocols and security systems had to be bypassed, disabled and compromised? Just asking.
My guess is that Cheney had a plan to use these things against Iran and it was mistakenly uncovered.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/10776
My guess is that you may be right, but when it was exposed, there were only five recovered and they changed their plans.
Ron @ 65:
we differed on remembrances, as far as I could tell.
Ron @ 68:
there is no missing bomb. from what I read, just missing parts.
this still points to a false-flag operation. Iran would be the ultimate target, but the strike could be in Israel or a US vessel floating in the straits.
the parts could be put on display and then there would be a claim that the parts are from Iran.
colon powell goes to the UN with more fingerpaints, then WWIII breaks out.
cover-up, Indeed!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 69:
Another link.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 71:
Plus, don't nukes have special markings and aren't they electronically tagged? The missing nukes story has never made sense. But if it were incompetence...what are the odds this has happened before and we didn't know about it? Don't know which scenario is scarier: Cheney or sheer incompetence?
For every incident, we have to connect the dots.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 52:
Paraguay, perhaps?
Ron @ 72:
there certainly is not enough outrage on this matter.
I counted 15 errors my McCain and his campaign this week. Anybody get 16?
1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security a Disgrace.
2. McCain's top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of "whiners" for being worried about the slumping economy. He feels that the American people are bitter and clinging to their jobs!
3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop when he gave a interview a few years ago saying he’d support such a request by the Iraqis, then he said the statement wasn’t accurate, and now he says that position is still negotiable.
4. McCain's economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable as he promised to balance the budget by 2013 and was laughed at by everyone with common sense.
5. McCain's deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop.
6. McCain campaign misled about the “300 economists” who support his economic policy when A LOT of them haven’t even read it, those who have don’t like many parts of it, and one person doesn’t even support McCain for President.
7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians.
8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics when actual video says otherwise.
9. McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out his lie.
10. McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan by saying “I think there is a glimmer of an improving relationship between Karzai and Pakistan”.
11. During a campaign stop in Pittsburg, McCain stated: "When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates." Only it wasn't the Steelers, it was the Greenbay Packers -- according to every previous time McCain has told this story.
12. McCain claims that he voted to condemn the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization when an amendment was on the floor of the United States Senate, whereas "Senator Obama refused to vote." Problem is, McCain also didn't vote on that amendment. Both him and Obama were out campaigning. Besides which, Obama sponsored similar legislation in March 2007, so his "refusal" should be taken with a grain of salt.
13. McCain forgets his position on funding Birth Control over Viagra and simply dismisses the question after a LONG pause.
14. Carly Fiorina, who is being considered for the VP spot, is going across the country telling everyone that McCain is pro-choice and wouldn’t touch Roe v. Wade when he is really pro-life and wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.
15. McCain didn’t bother to vote on the FISA bill just like he didn’t bother to vote on the G.I. Bill, or any other bill in a long time for that matter, even though he takes every weekend off because he’s supposedly in great shape for a old man.
I will conspire with my pillow to rest and refresh.
best to all.
GNA also, I only want to open up some minds.
AMERICAblog
McCain was still married to his wife when he got married to his mistress
http://www.americablog.com/2008/07/mccain-was-still-married-to-his-wife....
In spite of being pro-life, Bush seems to think that you can put an economic limit on it.
The U.S. is fine with missiles in Japan, just not N. Korea.
The reality of the whole thing is that John McCain doesn't remember everything about his captive experience. That is not such an unusual thing. If you were talking to folks, would you really remember everything about a horrific experience like that? Unfortunately yes I would. I might mis-remember some uneventiful experiences but the major things that I would have survived would be permenantly emblazened in my brain.
McCain is too old to be the chairman of the homeowners association let alone the president of the USA. I hope that the marginally illiterate wake up to what the monied, political guys are doing to destroy the American middile economy.
Dumber than dirt they are....
Even with this, American citizens will not to vote a Bush clone.
get over it fascism has to come to america
capitalism demands it
only part of the outcome of capitalism
ie also wars for profits
ie industrial military complex
corporations own wash dc
it will take a few decades of fascism for americans to take to the streets
right now they think they have found a black saviour
must work thru that one first
it is the system not the politicans
will take years maybe decades for americans to figure that one out
we now borrow from communists, socialists and kings and still dont have a clue it is the capitalist economic system that is creating a nation of haves and have nots
that is how powerful paradigms are
You know we're in trouble when Obama has to defend the idea of expanding education.
Just signed on. Haven't read the thread. Have a question that's OT for sure. Anyone know how Cindy Sheehan's campaign is going? I went to her website and it doesn't look like anything is happening. Anyone from the area that can shed some light?
Iraq's gov't is still a mess.
Bush press secretay Tony Snow dies of cancer.
R.I.P.
The wrong man is gone.
Tony Snow was a lying scumbag
Black community denied water for decades, jury says
Story Highlights
Residents were denied public water service for decades out of racial discrimination
Plaintiffs awarded $15,000 to $300,000, depending how long they lived in Coal Run
Residents either paid for wells, hauled water for cisterns or collected rain water
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Residents of a mostly black neighborhood in rural Ohio were awarded nearly $11 million Thursday by a federal jury that found local authorities denied them public water service for decades out of racial discrimination.
President Kennedy urged civil rights in 1963. An Ohio community was discriminated against from 1956 to 2003.
Each of the 67 plaintiffs was awarded $15,000 to $300,000, depending on how long they had lived in the Coal Run neighborhood, about 5 miles east of Zanesville in Muskingum County in east-central Ohio.
The money covers both monetary losses and the residents' pain and suffering between 1956, when water lines were first laid in the area, and 2003, when Coal Run got public water.
The lawsuit was filed in 2003 after the Ohio Civil Rights Commission concluded the residents were victims of discrimination. The city, county and East Muskingum Water Authority all denied it and noted that many residents in the lightly populated county don't have public water.
Thank ye'all for the great links and hefty comments!
With that, I would like to share the following link with the 'marginalized' also known as 'WE THE PEOPLE' or the salt of the Earth;
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20269.htm
" WORSE THAN McCAIN " ?!,
It seems almost impossible but Mike Whitney makes a point with his blistering essay just published on the information clearinghouse web-site.
What can be worse than McCain one would ask, for he, McCain, cannot be matched when it comes to his promises of more, much more, dead and destruction, elite & corporate corruption and the further collapse of the U.S. middle class and with that U.S. sociëty.
It can be worse! It can be worse because one of the worst experiënces in life is when one is betrayed, betrayed by someone you trusted, betrayed by someone who promised to change the political status-quo, who promised to end the war in Iraq, who promised to vote against retro-active immunity for crimes committed by a criminal government and its criminal henchmen.
BARACK OBAMA BETRAYED THE HOPE FOR CHANGE, HE BETRAYED JUSTICE TO BE DONE, HE BETRAYED THE WHE THE PEOPLE!!
He's a traitor,
And that is why it is worse!
Along with Tony Snow, cardiovascular surgeon Dr. Michael DeBakey also died. The difference between the two is stark. As a lying mouthpiece for the criminal Bush administration, Mr. Snow contributed noting positive to the world and his words and deeds only furtherd rancor and division. DeBakey's visionary contributions to medical science were remarkable and saved lives. Which one should we honor?
Tony Snow Dead.
Kathy Greene @ 83:
You need to check into McC*nt's history. His POW time was quite cushy, by some accounts. Considering McBush's penchant for lies and denial, I'd tend to believe the other POWs before I believe McLiar.
ZIP IT, Tony Snow.
At least you won't be lying anymore.
snowjob lied to his last breath.
he even lied about lying.
theWalrus @ 92:
which one do you think the media will honor and which one do you think will be a footnote?
dont be alarmed by obamas sellout , he warned you he was a hawk when the primarys started , hes going to stay in iraq and go for the win, hes only going to throw you under the bus when he needs to, wich will be quite often, hes going to widen the war in afganistan but dont feel bad because you wont have to see thoes coffins return with american boys and girls in them, because nothings going to change after we trade one dictator for another , to bad you didnt bother to listen to his speaches where he tried to out bush bush on being a war monger!
IF people were to have dicussions regarding a NEW American government, since this one needs replacing, would that be constituted by those that are listening in as subversive? Hmmmm, I wonder.
Who had the foresight to get somebody else to pay their utility bills (in 2001)
In a report to the appropriations committees, the White House said that ''the rationale for the requested transfer of responsibility is based on the fluctuating and unpredictable nature of utility costs...''
we should be so lucky in these dire times.
99: { Deleted, SiteMonitor}
Wow!..just freakin' WOW..... Classy.....
Peak Oil. Why would the Democrats roll over on FISA and Telecom immunity? Cuz the fan is brown my friends. The overlooked headline in yesterday's news:
"Britain urging return to wartime food frugality"
Read about it at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25642713/
One of the first global impacts of Peak Oil will be food shortages. I've been watching for this first little chink in the West's perceived armour. Starvation isn't just for brown people anymore. Hungry people aren't pleasant. Starving people are deadly. The government will need as many weapons as they can get to keep the hungry, unemployed US population under control. Torture, FISA, the shredding of the US Constitution and civil liberties. They only seems outrageous while we can still drive our SUVs. As the impacts of Peak Oil become more and more deadly these will become the good old days. The bitch of it is that this crisis can and will wipe out at least two thirds of the world population with or without the government's ability to spy on us. The opportunity for a soft landing is past.
Great song, too.
Tony Snow -- died.
couldnt have said it better the rich have decided we screwed them long enough with all this freedom ,liberty, and the unions , time to weed out the leaches that dont want to crawl before thier royal asses, thats why thier turning our corn into fuel, starve the dumb working class, all these politicians are in it together, you aint going to vote your way out of this mess ,
Tony Snow says he is dead and cant talk about it any futher
Tony Snow died & that's a shame. He left a family &
friends & although I always disagreed with his editorials
he was entitled to his opinion. I'm sure my fellow Democrats
who are happy the man is dead have people out there that
will jump for joy when they die. Shame on you. RIP Tony Snow.
We never agreed but politics aside may God take care of you.
While we have respect for the family, professional liars deserve no respect, dead or alive.
Max and the Marginalized have a song at HuffPo:
It's Awkward When Bad People Die
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-and-the-marginalized/its-awkward-when-...
It's their tribute to Jesse Helms. The Song's okay, but the lyrics are great!
Thomas Stone Says: While we have respect for the family, professional liars deserve no respect, dead or alive.
Well Tom I guess Obama & Bill Clinton will be joining
Tony Snow someday.
Ratface
We'll all be worm food some day. I have heard that worms prefer rightwing, conserevative republiscums though because they are already rotten on the inside.
Ratface @ 106:
Well said!
Yeah, I just saw Tony Snow is dead on the news. I hope C&L doesn’t have a love fest for this guy like they did Tim Russert. I don’t wish cancer and death on any person, and I do feel bad for Tony Snows family, but I’m not going to pretend like he was a real jounalist or a person of integrity. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. Even after his cancer came back, he continued to be a liar and a propaganda artist for the government. You’d think he’d want to at least try and tell the truth before he died.
All the Dumbya loving Dem's that voted to strip peoples privacy rights should be voted out next time. I know I will.
"Tony Snow died & that’s a shame. He left a family &
friends & although I always disagreed with his editorials
he was entitled to his opinion. I’m sure my fellow Democrats
who are happy the man is dead have people out there that
will jump for joy when they die. Shame on you. RIP Tony Snow.
We never agreed but politics aside may God take care of you."
See, this is kind of the problem I have. When I saw Tony Snow lie, I relized it was contributing to the death and destruction of other human beings. How is that just politics. Is that the only problem you had with Snow, this retarded phoney political side show of Right VS Left. If that's all you guys care about then we are really in trouble as human beings. Tony Snow (and Tim Russert) were both propaganda artist to the highest order. They assisted in leading more human beings into a meat grinder. I'm sure their families knew them differently, but it still doesn't excuse what they did.
And like I said before, Tony knew he was dying and still continued to lie. What kind of sick bastard is that. I'm sorry for going on a rant, but this is beyond politics here people. You guys need to wake up.
Chris @ 112:
Chris, I just needed to respond to this. We didn't have a lovefest for Tim Russert. We simply asked that in a SINGLE thread people refrain from being nasty and vitriolic. The man had not even been buried yet and everyone seemed to be upset that they weren't able to damn him to hell. Really, that's not a lovefest. That's common courtesy and human decency.
Did it occur to you that Russert's extended family do read this blog and were grieving? (Because they do, and we heard from them) Did it occur to you that right wing outlets were poring over the comments hoping to find the proof they needed that liberals were ugly, hateful little people happy to dance on the grave of a dead man? Does your need to be vitriolic and ugly supersede decency and respect?
{ Deleted, Offensive. SiteMonitor}
Chris@112
You're off base. Go through the archive and you'll find the site's only comments when Russert died:
As with all announcements of this sort, we ask that your comments stay respectful.
Update: John Amato. Wow, what shocking news. My heart goes out to his friends and family. When moments like these arrive, it’s a reminder to us all just how precious and fleeting our lives really are..
That doesn't read like a "love fest" to me.
And I saw a lot of the comments that were deleted, and they were just plain sick. It's one thing to figuratively hold a public figure's feet to the fire when he's alive, with hopes that the person will change their ways, but what good does it do once the person is dead?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
[AOL has its own guidelines that differ from the C&L Commenting Policy. You would have been wise to read the C&L policy before your diatribe(s). Included within:
C&Lis a personal site. It is not the Government. It is not public institution or a media organization. It is not a neutral site. It is intended to express and disseminate the authors’ point of view. It reserves the right to limit comments to those that, in its view, comport with its stated comment policy. Comments that do not comply are subject to deletion and banning of the author’s ISP.
Sorry that you differ with the policy. Goodbye. Site Monitor]
So sad that some people would be so wrapped around the axle over things they can't control as to hurl invectives at a dead man. Some of these sick puppies would actually be dancing in the streets if Bush or Cheney keel over or get taken out.
Ratface @ 106:
I feel sorry for his family. Losing a loved one, especially so young, is terrible. But, Tony Snow hated us (i.e., the left, Democrats, libruls, etc) and for that I cannot feel sorry for him. His record is long and established for his contempt for anyone left of center. His only purpose over the last 10 years of his life was to carry the reich-wing message and to smear the Left. I hope he does make it to Heaven, but that's the only nice thing I could say about this propagandist.
peaceful easy feeling @ 119:
Riiiiiiiight, and there was such an out pouring of love and kindness from the reich-wing when Mr. Kennedy was diagnosed with brain cancer just last month.
Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels(October 29, 1897 – May 1, 1945)
Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957)
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Mark Levin
Laura Ingraham
Neal Boortz
Michael Savage
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn Beck
Hugh Hewitt
Dennis Prager
Michael Medved
Rupert Murdoch
Robert Anthony Snow (June 1, 1955 – July 12, 2008)
So sad....
They died too too late to prevent the suffering and deaths of millions that they facilitated.
garcia @ 88:
No comment.
Politics aside.
My Condolences to Tony Snow's family.
Three children under the age of 15 lost their father.
May Tony rest in peace.
O'reilly? Limbaugh? Talk about having a parting if they happen to crock!
I am not going to enjoy anyone dying of cancer, especially someone who chose not to be a jerk, in spite of being a Republican shill. I know a guy who acts "moderate", but it still an apologist, is not much to look forward to, but he was the only polite guy in that cult, and he at least deserves polite words for his eulogy.
I haven't been very happy with Bill Clinton in recent months, but he just gave a great speech at the National Governors Assocation on C-span. Filled with substance rather than politics and a few specific ideas to solving some of our nations problems. It's worth a listen when it is put up for replay on the C-span website.
I should add that Bill Clinton is in the afternoon session.
Great song!
If the White house wants to sent out PR men and women to lie to us, there is obvious no reason to have a gov't at all, they delegate private BS artist to cover for them as a way of plausable denyability. Please make Ron Paul our president somebody, some state please.
106 Ratface Says: Tony Snow died & that’s a shame. He left a family &
friends & although I always disagreed with his editorials
he was entitled to his opinion. I’m sure my fellow Democrats
who are happy the man is dead have people out there that
will jump for joy when they die. Shame on you. RIP Tony Snow.
We never agreed but politics aside may God take care of you.
It's never nice when someone dies. People bristle against what he did while he was alive, which was not good. Don't get all "shame on you". How many died because of him? I'm not jumping for joy that he passed away, but don't ask me to respect him. That's sanctimony.
119 peaceful easy feeling Says: So sad that some people would be so wrapped around the axle over things they can’t control as to hurl invectives at a dead man. Some of these sick puppies would actually be dancing in the streets if Bush or Cheney keel over or get taken out.
==================================================
Hell, this "sick puppy" will have a block party. You're invited.
PS Maybe you've never seen "The Wizard of Oz"; ding dong, the witch is dead.
Ratface @ 106:
When Chemical Ali (a/k/a Comical Ali) is executed for participation in Saddam's regime, will you be saying the same things about him?
No? If you're going to defend one regime's propagandist, why not the other?
Snow _was_ Comical Al.
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 121:
So the deranged words/actions of nutbars on the left are justified by those coming from the right? Great logic there.
Comments are closed on this entry