Weak Daschle lets Graham call Obama camp liars: Obama's surrogates must WAKE UP!
By John Amato Sunday Aug 03, 2008 11:00am
I think this is a major problem. Tom Daschle does some good things, but during FNS he fell down on the job. You cannot let Lindsey Graham or any McCain surrogate call Obama's campaign liars, especially when it's not true. The Republicans are trying to exploit the race issue and will stoop as low as they can go over it. Graham was foaming at the mouth in denouncing Obama for using the "race card."
Graham: ...To say that Barack Obama did not intentionally inject the idea that he was going to be a victim of his name and his race is a lie.
...he said Bush and McCain are going to make you afraid of me. he doesn't, he's got a funny name. You know he doesn't look like those other presidents on those dollar bills. To say that that's not trying to interject the idea that you're a victim of John McCain, trying to make fun of your name and your racial background is lie. Now that needs to be admitted to. We're not going to run a campaign like he did in the primary, every time somebody brings up a challenge to who you are or what you believe---you're a racist. That's not going to happen in this campaign.
Daschle: First I will say that John McCain is not a racist since nobodies every accused him of being that, but you've just seen the evidence. You've just seen exactly what Barack was talking about.
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Lindsey is the liar. He knows it, but they figure they can get away with repeating lies all day long and nobody will object to it in the media. They will just ask for an opposing opinion. We've seen what's been going on. Poor John McCain is not a racist. He just loves MLK day, that's why he tried to block it and then lie about it.
Tom has got to hit him with a sledge hammer if he's going to call Obama a liar. This trying to look above it stuff will not work in the general. The culture of Rove knows only one thing. Character assassination and they are playing it big time against Obama. When Graham calls you a liar you don't say McCain is not a racist. You point out that McCain's camp ran an ad that had Obama's face on Mount Rushmore and dollar bills.
We have the white women theme in the Britney/Paris ad. You bring up the Muslim internet rumor attacks. You pummel him with the way Republican operatives have attacked his middle name. They do it over and over again. I mean. WAKE UP! You must go on the offensive. Sitting around trying to run out the clock will only lose the election. How many times do we have to see a replay of the same---lame---tactics?
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I am soooo, sooooo tired of the Stockholm Syndrome Caucus of the Democratic Party. Do these people ever stop to think that this sh*t matters, that peoples' lives & well-being hang on their standing up for even basic principles? (No, don't answer that.)
Democrats need to call a time out and call a few meetings.
Obama is being swiftboated the same was John Kerry was, we are falling for the same tactics, offering the same lame responses. Rove and his minions are winning a vote they should by rights be trailing by 20 points or more.
McCain is nowhere, he is nothing. He's an empty shirt who has flip flopped on every issue. So how can it be that they say this about Obama - that he's all hype and no substance - and PEOPLE BELIEVE IT????
Obama's media campaign needs a complete overhaul. Now. This week.
Pelose, Reid, Daschle MUST GO!!! These dithering lightweights need to spend more time with their families.
If the Dems went on Faux and actually won arguments and discussions, they would not be invited back on. That's the point. That is why Hannity has the ultra-weak Colmes. It is done on purpose.
(pelosi)
Well said! I'm seeing a repeat of 2004 here, and it scares the hell out of me. "Taking the high road" is a trap set by republican operatives. It's time to stop playing by the artificial rules set up by them, and it's time to start kicking ass. It's not going to turn off the American public, if anything it will work to Obama's favor to see him grab these douchebags by the scruff of the neck and shake them up a bit.
Daschle is wrong; John McCain is a Republican, therefore, John McCain is racist.
daschle was right to ignore graham's ignorant comment. after all, we all know that this is a republican fav strategy...to make outlandish accusations then force their oppenent to use all of their time responding to them rather than making their own points. oldest trick in the book.
correct response by daschle...let him say whatever bs he's going to spew then calmly make your points and let the viewer decide rather than allowing himself to be pulled into a predetermined argument, controlled by the opponent.
Perfect example of a Democrat. Their cowards!!! Not cowards in the way Republicans paint them but cowards in the sense they are afraid to really make a stand for anything and actually fight for it. This attitude they have of being to good to get a little dirty in the political fight has been killing them for years. They need to wake up and understand that the Republican Party is just a big bully. Punch them in the nose and they will start crying and run away. I'm still waiting for the Democrats to throw a punch.
Democrats need to understand that their high brow way of doing things (caving to whatever the Republicans want) is not leadership but cowardly. They need to start doing a hell of better job of defining Republicans rather than letting Republicans keep defining them.
McCain and the Republicans are what we need to fix the very Republican problems they created? If that can be sold to America (Republicans fixing Republican problems) then we are in more trouble than ever thought possible. Just remember that every minute people like Graham spend on TV talking about ANYTHING but GOP failures, they "win" the day.
Face it, if McCain says an Obama presidency means we have to eat watermelon three times a day, the msm will simply say it's a good source of vitamin C.
We always say "better trolls please". How about "better surrogates please"
This is why we don't win national elections.
Daschle was/is a coward and wimp and as one of Obama's advisers is in the perfect job.
Come on John.
He is a dem.
I have seen several people use the "black with two white women" theme against the britney ad. I think you are pushing your luck with that one. You really have to stretch to see that and I think the other more valid points get lost with people when you push it that far. People think you are trying to hard to make it about race.
That said, WHY THE HELL hasn't anyone else shown McCain's "obama face on money" ad?!?!? Print a still frame on poster paper with the date it was posted to the website. Obama holds it up at the podium and says, "is it the race card to call you on your own ADS?!"
That would shut them down, so why not use it?
The Dems. just don't know how to fight. They seem almost afraid to offend.
I couldn't agree more. How can these surrogates be so poorly prepared for interviews? Graham clearly had his notes and seemed to dominate an issue that Daschle should have been wiping him up with. Obama has been accused of being arrogant, egotistical, unpatriotic, a treasonist, responsible for high gas prices, an empty celebrity suit and of playing the race card - all in the last week. If the media isn't going to be the truth-teller in all this back and forth then the Obama campaign must come out more forcefully with press avails, it's own aggressive ads and some tougher surrogates. We can't trust the voters to wade through the news to find the truth in the talking points and to read policy papers. The Dems give voters too much credit as we have learned from past elections. Sadly, many voters are uninformed and they are susceptible to being moved by false attack ads. The only people who go to factcheck.org are the ones who are already the most informed. How many times do we have to live this to learn it? McCain CAN'T win on the issues so he is making this race about Obama and he is absolultely using a racial subtext to do it. But there is so much more to go after them on! I know that the Obama campaign's mantra is "no drama" but after being assailed with all these falsehoods, we need to see someone looking pissed off. This is the emotional response voters look for to understand when an attack is unfair. No yelling or screaming is necessary but the goofy smile from Daschle is not what I want to see. I'm mad and he should be too. A surrogate training is in order here folks. With all the issues on our side and the GOP at an all-time low, we HAVE to do better than this!
Just when we start to think this country has a future, then, not so much. Once again, we are doomed.
"dont talk, lead. get yer hands dirty."
What the fuck is wrong with that asshole? He reminds me of the crazy preacher from "the beast within"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7e0638vkvg&feature=related
pause at 2:26
if you see the movie he even acts like him. lol
Why is any mention or discussion of race or racial issues "racist"? Given the boundaries Repubs are determined to create is it possible for *any* mention of race "racist"?
Right the fuck on Amato!!! I surely hope you keep repeating this as often as you hit the keyboard and on every radio show and TV show you are able to use your voice. I am sick and tired of the pencil necked geek Democrats being walked all over ever time they are on the same camera as a Republican.
Remind me again why Tom Daschle lost his senate seat to John Thune? Oh that's right, he's the wimp who ran for re-election based primarily on his support for pResident Bush.
And this knob wants to be Secretary of Health???
WOW! Obama starts to tank in the polls and the obamazoids get all frantic and stuff. Obama tried to do exactly the same thing to McCain that he did to Clinton. He just forgot he was dealing with republicans and not nice, polite Democrats. THAT'S why he got kicked in his public perception balls and that's why the republicans will keep on kicking him while he rolls around crying calling for his mamma. Mamma, make them stop kicking Obama! A NEW SLOGAN for the obamazoids! You folks can have it free. Between his ineptitude, arrogance and just plain inability to tell the truth or stick to one position for more then a day if the polls aren't for his position I will be surprised if McCain dosen't crush him in both the popular vote and the electoral.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm cursed with idiots who send me every email smear campaign that comes along.
Snopes has over 40 anti-Obama smear campaigns listed right now - and I've been sent a bunch of them by still staunch Republicans who believe every one of them, even when they contradict each other.
Obama surrogates must not ignore this and we supporters are going to have to hold their feet to the fire.
I suggest a massive call-in campaign to Daschle's office.
I have been pointing out repeatedly that ABC started this race card nonsense and the other networks are falling in.
You want Dem's to fight on this? We will not win on this issue.
But you folks with blogs should start naming names in the media. Start with Jake Tapper at ABC. July 30, 10:45 p.m. Latest blog in the last two months. First to claim Obama making accusations of racism. You cover Gergen on This Week. Look at tape of Jake. He is defending himself without anyone making a charge. Why?
Daschle - and many other Democrats - are stuck in 2004. The high road and not responding lead to nowhere. Texas Smash Mouth politics still rules south of the Mason-Dixon line and appeals to the tiny-brained north of it.
The left has got to learn to look the Lindsey Grahams in the eye and tell them they're either deluded or stinkin liars in so many words.
AND, the press has got to stop using Fox as the gold standard.
Until those two things happen - the scumbags on the right will continue to win elections they were destined to lose.
Gee, I can't figure out why Dems have the reputation for being total pussies.
At some point, they will figure out that the GOP plays an entirely different game. Right now, the Dems roll over every time a Republican huffs and puffs.
I would love to see--just once--a Dem fire right back with twice the force. If some GOPer comes at you with bullshit talking points, return it with twice the power.
Umm... isn't Obama in The Senate? how is he supposed to convince the House of Representatives to go back into session?
On the flip side, if he managed to actually get the HR to resume sessions, what would the smear be then?
Let's see. Wesley Clark directly called Bob Schieffer on his BS using his own words.
That worked. If you want to fight the problem, hit the problem. It is the media.
Tom Daschle getting his ass kicked on FOX by Lindsay Graham on Suday talk show loses us what? Getting hammered on the evening news by the press fedding fears of black by falesly claiming the black candidate played the race card? That loses elections.
John Amato you have to get on the email express and sound the alarm to EVERYBODY you have as friends and colleagues. Where the hell is Howard Dean? He is able to put somebody like Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman and Rick Davis in their place like a surgeon removing a pimple. I saw Claire McCaskill smack down Joke Scarborough and his parrot Mika last Friday. Get her out there and let her slap around a few of these other assholes.
Daschle has always sucked. He is everything that was wrong with the democratic party of the 1990s and early 00s -- weak, spineless, tempered and cowardly.
What a disgrace. There's a reason you lost your seat, Daschle. You're republican-lite, an empty suit who shows no ability to fight for what he believes in.
We have to bust the press too, just like Jon Stewart did to Crossfire. I'm tired of watching our so-called democratic spokespeople try to find their asses with both hands and failing miserably at it.
memo to obama:
when the senate leader of your party loses a re-election campaign, and has no scandal to blame it on, he probably won't make a good surrogate for you...
he who has the most bullshit dumped upon him will lose....
this is a truth...
just ask Max Cleland
Daschle is what's known in the trade as "a useless tool." Always has been, always will be.
Not sure making a big stink about this is the best advice. Since frank discussions of racial issues make a lot of white Americans of all political persuasions extremely uncomfortable (if they don't, how does one account for the almost total lack of them in presidential campaigns of the last century or so) blowing the issue`of race up big-time just alienates more white voters. A big part of Obama's campaign strategy is presenting himself as a candidate who transcends race. That's hard to do if you're arguing about race all the time.
I'm not passing judgement on anyone here, just stating what to me seems obvious. Democratic strategists don't want arguments about race. The fact that McCain is forcing their hand is really putting them in a box. Those commenters spoiling for a fight over this strike me as having a much more benign view of their fellow (white) Americans views on race than I do. This is still a very racist country and denying that doesn't change a thing.
Obama's winning the nomination was a wonderful thing. But that doesn't change the fact that in this country, running a black guy for president is still, no matter how much we might like it to not be so, a very, very risky proposition.
Get Biden off his vacationing ass and get back on the talk circuit. The oil companies have 68,000,000 acres of oil leases they are not utilizing and they want more? Nobody knows this because the Democrats are on their heel defending Obama’s point that the Republicans are going to use race as an issue. Forget that. Move on to McShame an his incompetence.
All y'all ought to read today's Daily Howler (Amato included). Actually, read it twice. It might do us all (including Obama) some good.
It should go down like this:
They break a finger and we break a leg, they bring a knife and we bring a gun, they put one of ours in the hospital and we put one of theirs in the morgue...figuratively speaking of course.
How many times do we have to see a replay of the same—lame—tactics?
What's worse is - how many times does the American public have to put up with a Republican in the white house ruining the economy, committing war crimes and crimes against the Constitution as well as shredding the Constitution?
Put McAsshole’s energy policy up on the screen loud and clear. Put his non existent health care policy up there loud and clear.
FoxNews isn't going to let a Dem with balls on their airwaves. These Dems (Daschle, Lanny Davis, Dick Morris et al) are handpicked for one reason: they are weak, mealymouthed pushovers. Cliff Schecter slipped in, cleaned the clock of his opponent and has never been heard from since. Ya think you'll ever see Vincent Bugliosi on FoxNews? It's all carefully planned and staged to the beneift of Fox and hence Republicans and the WH.
Simply refer to all my previous posts under the "Anti-Christ" article.
Dashle simply said there had been offers by Obama to McCain and McCin's camp didn't follow up. For whatever reason. You have to know McCain wants a conservative packed town hall. Wouldn't want Obama supporters to turn out like most Obama's other events.
Daschle did the right thing by letting Graham rant like an idiot. Daschle does reply about the angry desperate McCain camp. Graham did come across very angry and desperate. But who else to do it other than Graham.
At this point in the campaign, why would or should Obama now give McCain his coat tails for media attention or give McCain any credibility ? Let McCain draw his own attention.
It looks as though McCain's camp is desperate and wants to draw Obama in to McCain's agaenda. Take Obama off his campaign road to accomedate McCain.
It seems to me that if Obama is to give anyone campaign time. He should give it to Democratic Congressional seat seekers. Not the GOP and McCain.
Graham is in fact a "Whiner" here.
If town hall meetings isn't working out. McCain and his campaign need to move along and not depend on Obama to help him out. Even though McJohn may not stand up to well. The GOP are in dire hopes that in a town hall with John they might be able to find ONE thing to hang their hat on to the White House.
It has been obvious that the GOP has been attempting to make elitist stick to Obama or some of the others like "Celebrity", "he's not like us",. Even Wal Mart is telling their employees that Obama represents bad evil labor (union) things to come. Giving the omens to their employees.
Daschle is a plant...so are all the other Reslimekens that are "campaigning" for Obama.
This seems to be the larger problem with the Democratic party. There are no attack dogs. There's nobody willing to call the GOP on the BS they march out behind flag pins and fear to the American public!
Get on the talk shows and come out and just SAY it. “Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman and John McBush are liars and here is what they have lied about…shut up while I’m talking Scarborough (or Wolfie or Tweety or whoever is trying to interrupt).”
"Maybe if I surrender, they'll be nice to me!"
The Democrats simply have to get it through their heads that, behind their talk of patriotism and homeland security and Christian goodness, the Republicans are a bunch of abusive wife-beaters (at least in mindset) ... and that as long as Democrats continue to play the victim, the Republicans will smirk and continue the abuse. They get off on it. They relish it. They won't stop.
Compromise is something for equals committed to the same objective and engaged in rational debate. Even the term 'bipartisan' is nonsense; it implies cooperation, but the root - partisan - is the exact opposite.
A "town hall" debate? I don't think so!! The so called Town Hall Meeting is usually packed with "Shills" for the Republicans so if Obama does not debate, no one should blame him - especially when the cards are stacked against him.
I think Daschle was quite eloquent while Graham seemed to be losing his cool. I watched the whole episode on Sunday. It was something.
Yes, for the general election Barack Obama Campaign surrogates MUST get back to the tactics they used so freely and liberally against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries; putting in a New York Times op-ed piece that she and her husband are practiced liars, announcing in a nationally televised interview that Obama will capture the black vote when "black America wakes up and gets it!" about supporting Barack Obama, not on the issues, but because of the color of his skin, sharing with YouTube and mainstream media elaborately produced and effectively time-released videos of men of god telling everyone that Bill Clinton was "riding dirty", that the Clintons are doing to black people what Bill did to Monica, that Hillary Clinton is a white racist crying over the fact that a black man walked into the contest to take away her entitlement to the nomination, that Obama's white grandmother is no less a racist than one of Obama's most meaningful longterm professional and personal relationships telling Obama's congregation/constituency that the U.S. government invented AIDS to kill black people, Obama telling us what "typical white people" think, high ranking campaign officials telling the press that Hillary Clinton is really "a monster", pushing the narrative that the Clintons are racists, etc., etc.
Honestly, where has Obama's and his surrogates' courage gone since Hillary dropped out of the race?
Dave at #37 is right to point out the value of the Daily Howler, but what is going on at the Howler and here, including many of the comments, is the old adage about liberals under attack circling the wagons and firing inward. Ever since the New Yorker cover BS I have been writing about how the media wants this to be about race. The McCain campaign wants this to be about race. The enemy here is the media and their obsession with race, which they deny. Don't let them. Make them cover what matters and when they slip into race, call them on it.
In all fairness to Tom Daschle, I'm sure he was overcome with a fit of the vapors, when Graham accused the Obama camp of lying and was certainly prepared to do whatever necessary - even if it meant a fainting spell - to defend the integrity of the Democratic nominee!
If we can't outthink a nitwit like Lindsay Graham, then all is lost.
Cris Dodd is a good attack dog. He is smart and was very surprising in the primaries. get his ass out there.
theWalrus @ 41:
You are spot on Walrus.
I think the main problem is that the democrats think the best strategy is to show themselves as civil and thoughtful. Those in the republic party will interrupt when the other guy is talking and keep a constant stream of words coming out of their mouths (at loud volume) so the person representing the democratic party can’t get a word in edgewise.
The problem is, politely waiting your turn to speak doesn’t give you time to speak before the segment is over.
I'll go you one better...Tom Daschle and Harold Ford are both LOSERS who either lost his office or his bid for office!!! Watching them is as irksome for me as watching Rick Santorum or Tom DeLay prattle on about one thing or another. Their constituents didn't think enough of any of them to keep around, so why the hell should we?
We don't need speakers representing Obama who couldn't even manage to save their own jobs! ...and for God's sake, if you can't win the day against a milquetoast puss like Lindsey Graham, just give it the f*ck up already!
"Tom has got to hit him with a sledge hammer if he’s going to call Obama a liar. This trying to look above it stuff will not work in the general. The culture of Rove knows only one thing. Character assassination and they are playing it big time against Obama. When Graham calls you a liar you don’t say McCain is not a racist. You point out that McCain’s camp ran an ad that had Obama’s face on Mount Rushmore and dollar bills."
I thought I pretty much said this already.
Take the gloves off. There are no longer any Marquis de Queensbury rules in politics.
thefumesfrommistercheneyscrack @ 2:
Obama's media campaign needs a complete overhaul. Now. This week.
That should have been done 2-3 weeks ago, and certainly sometime last week. If David Axelrod hasn't gotten the message by now, he's bigger moron than I thought.
It's time to start smashing them in the nuts with a baseball bat and when they bend over in pain, crushing their skulls with same.
Figuratively of course.
scunkle Says: Pelose, Reid, Daschle MUST GO!!! These dithering lightweights need to spend more time with their families.
They need a permanent vacation or a backbone implant. They are playing kickball while the repugs are playing hardball on steroids.
And this is why we fail and why Democrats are poor leaders. Rove and company are light years ahead of getting their message to the public. Democrats need to learn how to debate better.
can someone tell me why race/racism is a factor in all of this?
Having been in radio for 28 years, and a liberal talk host, I know all about advertising. The most important part of winning the war of public perception is to define your opponent first. That's what the McCain people are doing. They are succeeding. Obama, Daschle and others never respond directly when confronted, and always water their explanations down with praise of their opponants first and then gently take them to task. In advertising, it's called "wallpaper." No one will notice your message. My blog on this and Politico's article on "celebrity" examine the power of a well oiled Republican message machine.
http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccain-original-celebrity-but...
Dashle once a wimp, ALWAYS A WIMP
This si exactly correct. Call McBush out on all his idiot policies. LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!
bryancri@62
because it is a convenient distraction
"Do you feel better off than you did 8 years ago."
Try that one on for size. During every show and interview. It won Reagan the election and it can win Obama the election.
Hmm, it does seem to me in Britain that Obama is quick to invoke his colour whenever anybody challenges him on a political issue. Strage when you recall that he is the child of a white middle class home whose mother just happened to like boffing guys from Third World nations. I'm surprised he did not call our Government racists when he was politely informed that no, he could not address the British Parliament as PRESIDENT Reagan,PRESIDENT Clinton and PRESIDENT Bush (Mk 2) as well as other heads of state have done in the past. It is a privilege extended only to Heads Of State. He also had to be informed by several European governments that their endorsing him would be a breach of protocol.
Far from being the resounding success reported in the U.S. media, Obama's visit left many of us thinking "How is this possible? He's even more stupid and vacuous than Bush."
That two rich, white guys are on TV debating race should tell America all they need to know about where race relations are in America today. Anyone who thinks this election is about ANYTHING BUT RACE is kidding themselves. McCain and the GOP have nothing for America--they know it, we know it, and the only thing they can do is convince America it is not ready for a black man to lead the country.
John's suggestion: " We have the white women theme in the Britney/Paris ad. You bring up the Muslim internet rumor attacks. You pummel him with the way Republican operatives have attacked his middle name. They do it over and over again. I mean. WAKE UP! You must go on the offensive."
OK, last week Obama was attacking the Britney-Paris ad, talking about the use of his name, the e-mails, and the veiled racism and what happened...he got accused of making xenophobic charges of racism and false accusation of racism against the McCain campaign. And you are suggesting doing that again but LOUDER I suppose?
Who made the first accusation? Not McCain. ABC. Jake Tapper at 10:45 p.m. on Wednesday, July 31. He set up the McCain campaign charge which allowed them cover. The rest of the media fell right in. Boom. Issue no longer energy. Issue now race. R's win that fight.
It is the media folks.
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i am no fan of mccain, but why is mccain necessarily racist because of his lack of support for MLK day? if you don't support a federal holiday for someone who is non-white, are you necessarily racist? what does it even mean to be 'racist'?
my father used to say sh*t about black people. he never hurt anyone, never supported discrimination, never supported politicians who supported discrimination. but he had his personal feelings about black people, but mostly kept them to himself.
a lot of people from mccain's generation are slowly getting it; they are young souls, and they need time to realize that.
give this 'race' discussion a break. these guys are millionaires many times over, in pursuit of the highest office in the land. this is a class issue, folks and all this race talk is diverting from the real issues....
Liberal AND Proud @ 59:
L and P do like me and point out some of this crap on some right wing bloggs. Hit two or thee a day. It only takes a minute. Everybody else do the same. I'll be passing out Kangaroo points after the election.
"because it is a convenient distraction"
well, suffice it to say that C&L has clearly been distracted by a non-issue, and i guess the mccain camp has succeeded in doing so.
personally i appreciate daschle and kerry....yesterday
i stood for kerry.....i watched this interview yesterday
i thought daschle was fine....but i get it.....you people
are right maybe you have said excuse me but that's not
accurate whose not telling the truth. both campaign are
negative now....surprise....we knew mccain was going negative after 2000 when he couldn't beat a weak candidate bush.
personally and i may get some of you who disagree i would like to see hillary,biden and webb out their more.
i suspect it will happen very soon maybe after olympics.
American Native@70
might i suggest honey, the vinegar isn't quite as effective...
Lindsey Graham is a fag, and that's no lie. I am one, and it takes one to know one. i'm out and Graham is as closeted as his grandparents lost christmas presents. i dont care about his feelings as he clearly doesnt care about his fellow Americans who support Obama by calling them liars. i imagine some Obama supporters in SC may not take too kindly to being called liars. dont you represent them, Lindsey, you man/woman.
"Far from being the resounding success reported in the U.S. media, Obama’s visit left many of us thinking “How is this possible? He’s even more stupid and vacuous than Bush.”"
Run along, Ian...we destest McCain supporters, especially those of you that pretend to be from countries where Obama is liked, as opposed to the dimwitted, Grandpa Munster-McCain. Nice try, dillweed!
the only way mccain can win is if he changes the discussion.
and, as evidenced on a 'progressive' blog (crooks and liars), mccain is clearly winning, because, guess what?, we're talking about that elusive problem of "race" (whatever the heck that is)....
You have to wonder what little peccadilloes are in the files that Rove must have (a la J. Edgar Hoover) for the Dem 'leadership' to be so seriously emasculated that they let slip the easiest-to-bunt softballs. In another time and place, it was "Wheeeeere's the beef?". Indeed, where is the Dem's 'beef'?
Captain, I'm sure you've seen what we are up against in this country when you go to the right wing blogs.
The left is often criticised because we focus so much on our issues and show real passion. However, we also debate, even amongst ourselves, and respect each other's opinions.
When you read the comments in a "right wing" blog it is frightening how "indoctrinated" the people are...how static, unmoving, closed minded. It really is frightening. And there are educated people on those sites. THAT is what is so scarey.
I, for one, and I would assume most who post here on C&L, were not aware of
the exchanges between Daschel and Lindsey G. because WE are intelligent and
do not watch Faux Noise. This kind of interview between the two is purposely
"set up" by Faux; knowing that Daschel is a weak example of a Dem and is incapable of responding or challenging Lindsey G., so I am not too concerned,
inasmuch as the "dog and pony" show was primarily for the viewing of Faux's already uninformed/stupid audience, so it is only they who saw this kind of crap
and is not going to affect those of us who are educated and in touch w/the facts.
Screw Tom Daschle.
He couldn't look like a bigger pussy if he cut a hole thru a Georgia O'Keefe painting and stuck his empty head thru it.
I'm suprised Graham was able to remove McC*nt's johnson from his mouth long enough for the television appearance.....
breakspear#76
no disrespect and/or offense......i don't care if graham
is a "fag"...but lying i do care about. but it doesn't surprise me....he is not sophisticated he is a babbling parrot....he is a NEOCON....and he has taken rove's
negative linguistic correspondence courses....he's a cheap
shot person who's not the least bit interesting to me.
Why should they bother? The democrats are on a 5 week vacation now, enjoying the pleasant summer weather and doing jack to help out their constituents. (Unless the constituents are major contributors to their re-election campaigns.)
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