Weak Daschle lets Graham call Obama camp liars: Obama's surrogates must WAKE UP!
I think this is a major problem. Tom Daschle does some good things, but during FNS he fell down on the job. You cannot let Lindsey Graham or any McCain surrogate call Obama's campaign liars, especially when it's not true. The Republicans are trying to exploit the race issue and will stoop as low as they can go over it. Graham was foaming at the mouth in denouncing Obama for using the "race card."
Graham: ...To say that Barack Obama did not intentionally inject the idea that he was going to be a victim of his name and his race is a lie.
...he said Bush and McCain are going to make you afraid of me. he doesn't, he's got a funny name. You know he doesn't look like those other presidents on those dollar bills. To say that that's not trying to interject the idea that you're a victim of John McCain, trying to make fun of your name and your racial background is lie. Now that needs to be admitted to. We're not going to run a campaign like he did in the primary, every time somebody brings up a challenge to who you are or what you believe---you're a racist. That's not going to happen in this campaign.
Daschle: First I will say that John McCain is not a racist since nobodies every accused him of being that, but you've just seen the evidence. You've just seen exactly what Barack was talking about.
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Lindsey is the liar. He knows it, but they figure they can get away with repeating lies all day long and nobody will object to it in the media. They will just ask for an opposing opinion. We've seen what's been going on. Poor John McCain is not a racist. He just loves MLK day, that's why he tried to block it and then lie about it.
Tom has got to hit him with a sledge hammer if he's going to call Obama a liar. This trying to look above it stuff will not work in the general. The culture of Rove knows only one thing. Character assassination and they are playing it big time against Obama. When Graham calls you a liar you don't say McCain is not a racist. You point out that McCain's camp ran an ad that had Obama's face on Mount Rushmore and dollar bills.
We have the white women theme in the Britney/Paris ad. You bring up the Muslim internet rumor attacks. You pummel him with the way Republican operatives have attacked his middle name. They do it over and over again. I mean. WAKE UP! You must go on the offensive. Sitting around trying to run out the clock will only lose the election. How many times do we have to see a replay of the same---lame---tactics?
I am soooo, sooooo tired of the Stockholm Syndrome Caucus of the Democratic Party. Do these people ever stop to think that this sh*t matters, that peoples' lives & well-being hang on their standing up for even basic principles? (No, don't answer that.)
Democrats need to call a time out and call a few meetings.
Obama is being swiftboated the same was John Kerry was, we are falling for the same tactics, offering the same lame responses. Rove and his minions are winning a vote they should by rights be trailing by 20 points or more.
McCain is nowhere, he is nothing. He's an empty shirt who has flip flopped on every issue. So how can it be that they say this about Obama - that he's all hype and no substance - and PEOPLE BELIEVE IT????
Obama's media campaign needs a complete overhaul. Now. This week.
Pelose, Reid, Daschle MUST GO!!! These dithering lightweights need to spend more time with their families.
If the Dems went on Faux and actually won arguments and discussions, they would not be invited back on. That's the point. That is why Hannity has the ultra-weak Colmes. It is done on purpose.
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Well said! I'm seeing a repeat of 2004 here, and it scares the hell out of me. "Taking the high road" is a trap set by republican operatives. It's time to stop playing by the artificial rules set up by them, and it's time to start kicking ass. It's not going to turn off the American public, if anything it will work to Obama's favor to see him grab these douchebags by the scruff of the neck and shake them up a bit.
Daschle is wrong; John McCain is a Republican, therefore, John McCain is racist.
daschle was right to ignore graham's ignorant comment. after all, we all know that this is a republican fav strategy...to make outlandish accusations then force their oppenent to use all of their time responding to them rather than making their own points. oldest trick in the book.
correct response by daschle...let him say whatever bs he's going to spew then calmly make your points and let the viewer decide rather than allowing himself to be pulled into a predetermined argument, controlled by the opponent.
Perfect example of a Democrat. Their cowards!!! Not cowards in the way Republicans paint them but cowards in the sense they are afraid to really make a stand for anything and actually fight for it. This attitude they have of being to good to get a little dirty in the political fight has been killing them for years. They need to wake up and understand that the Republican Party is just a big bully. Punch them in the nose and they will start crying and run away. I'm still waiting for the Democrats to throw a punch.
Democrats need to understand that their high brow way of doing things (caving to whatever the Republicans want) is not leadership but cowardly. They need to start doing a hell of better job of defining Republicans rather than letting Republicans keep defining them.
McCain and the Republicans are what we need to fix the very Republican problems they created? If that can be sold to America (Republicans fixing Republican problems) then we are in more trouble than ever thought possible. Just remember that every minute people like Graham spend on TV talking about ANYTHING but GOP failures, they "win" the day.
Face it, if McCain says an Obama presidency means we have to eat watermelon three times a day, the msm will simply say it's a good source of vitamin C.
We always say "better trolls please". How about "better surrogates please"
This is why we don't win national elections.
Daschle was/is a coward and wimp and as one of Obama's advisers is in the perfect job.
Come on John.
He is a dem.
I have seen several people use the "black with two white women" theme against the britney ad. I think you are pushing your luck with that one. You really have to stretch to see that and I think the other more valid points get lost with people when you push it that far. People think you are trying to hard to make it about race.
That said, WHY THE HELL hasn't anyone else shown McCain's "obama face on money" ad?!?!? Print a still frame on poster paper with the date it was posted to the website. Obama holds it up at the podium and says, "is it the race card to call you on your own ADS?!"
That would shut them down, so why not use it?
The Dems. just don't know how to fight. They seem almost afraid to offend.
I couldn't agree more. How can these surrogates be so poorly prepared for interviews? Graham clearly had his notes and seemed to dominate an issue that Daschle should have been wiping him up with. Obama has been accused of being arrogant, egotistical, unpatriotic, a treasonist, responsible for high gas prices, an empty celebrity suit and of playing the race card - all in the last week. If the media isn't going to be the truth-teller in all this back and forth then the Obama campaign must come out more forcefully with press avails, it's own aggressive ads and some tougher surrogates. We can't trust the voters to wade through the news to find the truth in the talking points and to read policy papers. The Dems give voters too much credit as we have learned from past elections. Sadly, many voters are uninformed and they are susceptible to being moved by false attack ads. The only people who go to factcheck.org are the ones who are already the most informed. How many times do we have to live this to learn it? McCain CAN'T win on the issues so he is making this race about Obama and he is absolultely using a racial subtext to do it. But there is so much more to go after them on! I know that the Obama campaign's mantra is "no drama" but after being assailed with all these falsehoods, we need to see someone looking pissed off. This is the emotional response voters look for to understand when an attack is unfair. No yelling or screaming is necessary but the goofy smile from Daschle is not what I want to see. I'm mad and he should be too. A surrogate training is in order here folks. With all the issues on our side and the GOP at an all-time low, we HAVE to do better than this!
Just when we start to think this country has a future, then, not so much. Once again, we are doomed.
"dont talk, lead. get yer hands dirty."
What the fuck is wrong with that asshole? He reminds me of the crazy preacher from "the beast within"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7e0638vkvg&feature=related
pause at 2:26
if you see the movie he even acts like him. lol
Why is any mention or discussion of race or racial issues "racist"? Given the boundaries Repubs are determined to create is it possible for *any* mention of race "racist"?
Right the fuck on Amato!!! I surely hope you keep repeating this as often as you hit the keyboard and on every radio show and TV show you are able to use your voice. I am sick and tired of the pencil necked geek Democrats being walked all over ever time they are on the same camera as a Republican.
Remind me again why Tom Daschle lost his senate seat to John Thune? Oh that's right, he's the wimp who ran for re-election based primarily on his support for pResident Bush.
And this knob wants to be Secretary of Health???
WOW! Obama starts to tank in the polls and the obamazoids get all frantic and stuff. Obama tried to do exactly the same thing to McCain that he did to Clinton. He just forgot he was dealing with republicans and not nice, polite Democrats. THAT'S why he got kicked in his public perception balls and that's why the republicans will keep on kicking him while he rolls around crying calling for his mamma. Mamma, make them stop kicking Obama! A NEW SLOGAN for the obamazoids! You folks can have it free. Between his ineptitude, arrogance and just plain inability to tell the truth or stick to one position for more then a day if the polls aren't for his position I will be surprised if McCain dosen't crush him in both the popular vote and the electoral.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm cursed with idiots who send me every email smear campaign that comes along.
Snopes has over 40 anti-Obama smear campaigns listed right now - and I've been sent a bunch of them by still staunch Republicans who believe every one of them, even when they contradict each other.
Obama surrogates must not ignore this and we supporters are going to have to hold their feet to the fire.
I suggest a massive call-in campaign to Daschle's office.
I have been pointing out repeatedly that ABC started this race card nonsense and the other networks are falling in.
You want Dem's to fight on this? We will not win on this issue.
But you folks with blogs should start naming names in the media. Start with Jake Tapper at ABC. July 30, 10:45 p.m. Latest blog in the last two months. First to claim Obama making accusations of racism. You cover Gergen on This Week. Look at tape of Jake. He is defending himself without anyone making a charge. Why?
Daschle - and many other Democrats - are stuck in 2004. The high road and not responding lead to nowhere. Texas Smash Mouth politics still rules south of the Mason-Dixon line and appeals to the tiny-brained north of it.
The left has got to learn to look the Lindsey Grahams in the eye and tell them they're either deluded or stinkin liars in so many words.
AND, the press has got to stop using Fox as the gold standard.
Until those two things happen - the scumbags on the right will continue to win elections they were destined to lose.
Gee, I can't figure out why Dems have the reputation for being total pussies.
At some point, they will figure out that the GOP plays an entirely different game. Right now, the Dems roll over every time a Republican huffs and puffs.
I would love to see--just once--a Dem fire right back with twice the force. If some GOPer comes at you with bullshit talking points, return it with twice the power.
Umm... isn't Obama in The Senate? how is he supposed to convince the House of Representatives to go back into session?
On the flip side, if he managed to actually get the HR to resume sessions, what would the smear be then?
Let's see. Wesley Clark directly called Bob Schieffer on his BS using his own words.
That worked. If you want to fight the problem, hit the problem. It is the media.
Tom Daschle getting his ass kicked on FOX by Lindsay Graham on Suday talk show loses us what? Getting hammered on the evening news by the press fedding fears of black by falesly claiming the black candidate played the race card? That loses elections.
John Amato you have to get on the email express and sound the alarm to EVERYBODY you have as friends and colleagues. Where the hell is Howard Dean? He is able to put somebody like Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman and Rick Davis in their place like a surgeon removing a pimple. I saw Claire McCaskill smack down Joke Scarborough and his parrot Mika last Friday. Get her out there and let her slap around a few of these other assholes.
Daschle has always sucked. He is everything that was wrong with the democratic party of the 1990s and early 00s -- weak, spineless, tempered and cowardly.
What a disgrace. There's a reason you lost your seat, Daschle. You're republican-lite, an empty suit who shows no ability to fight for what he believes in.
We have to bust the press too, just like Jon Stewart did to Crossfire. I'm tired of watching our so-called democratic spokespeople try to find their asses with both hands and failing miserably at it.
memo to obama:
when the senate leader of your party loses a re-election campaign, and has no scandal to blame it on, he probably won't make a good surrogate for you...
he who has the most bullshit dumped upon him will lose....
this is a truth...
just ask Max Cleland
Daschle is what's known in the trade as "a useless tool." Always has been, always will be.
Not sure making a big stink about this is the best advice. Since frank discussions of racial issues make a lot of white Americans of all political persuasions extremely uncomfortable (if they don't, how does one account for the almost total lack of them in presidential campaigns of the last century or so) blowing the issue`of race up big-time just alienates more white voters. A big part of Obama's campaign strategy is presenting himself as a candidate who transcends race. That's hard to do if you're arguing about race all the time.
I'm not passing judgement on anyone here, just stating what to me seems obvious. Democratic strategists don't want arguments about race. The fact that McCain is forcing their hand is really putting them in a box. Those commenters spoiling for a fight over this strike me as having a much more benign view of their fellow (white) Americans views on race than I do. This is still a very racist country and denying that doesn't change a thing.
Obama's winning the nomination was a wonderful thing. But that doesn't change the fact that in this country, running a black guy for president is still, no matter how much we might like it to not be so, a very, very risky proposition.
Get Biden off his vacationing ass and get back on the talk circuit. The oil companies have 68,000,000 acres of oil leases they are not utilizing and they want more? Nobody knows this because the Democrats are on their heel defending Obama’s point that the Republicans are going to use race as an issue. Forget that. Move on to McShame an his incompetence.
All y'all ought to read today's Daily Howler (Amato included). Actually, read it twice. It might do us all (including Obama) some good.
It should go down like this:
They break a finger and we break a leg, they bring a knife and we bring a gun, they put one of ours in the hospital and we put one of theirs in the morgue...figuratively speaking of course.
How many times do we have to see a replay of the same—lame—tactics?
What's worse is - how many times does the American public have to put up with a Republican in the white house ruining the economy, committing war crimes and crimes against the Constitution as well as shredding the Constitution?
Put McAsshole’s energy policy up on the screen loud and clear. Put his non existent health care policy up there loud and clear.
FoxNews isn't going to let a Dem with balls on their airwaves. These Dems (Daschle, Lanny Davis, Dick Morris et al) are handpicked for one reason: they are weak, mealymouthed pushovers. Cliff Schecter slipped in, cleaned the clock of his opponent and has never been heard from since. Ya think you'll ever see Vincent Bugliosi on FoxNews? It's all carefully planned and staged to the beneift of Fox and hence Republicans and the WH.
Simply refer to all my previous posts under the "Anti-Christ" article.
Dashle simply said there had been offers by Obama to McCain and McCin's camp didn't follow up. For whatever reason. You have to know McCain wants a conservative packed town hall. Wouldn't want Obama supporters to turn out like most Obama's other events.
Daschle did the right thing by letting Graham rant like an idiot. Daschle does reply about the angry desperate McCain camp. Graham did come across very angry and desperate. But who else to do it other than Graham.
At this point in the campaign, why would or should Obama now give McCain his coat tails for media attention or give McCain any credibility ? Let McCain draw his own attention.
It looks as though McCain's camp is desperate and wants to draw Obama in to McCain's agaenda. Take Obama off his campaign road to accomedate McCain.
It seems to me that if Obama is to give anyone campaign time. He should give it to Democratic Congressional seat seekers. Not the GOP and McCain.
Graham is in fact a "Whiner" here.
If town hall meetings isn't working out. McCain and his campaign need to move along and not depend on Obama to help him out. Even though McJohn may not stand up to well. The GOP are in dire hopes that in a town hall with John they might be able to find ONE thing to hang their hat on to the White House.
It has been obvious that the GOP has been attempting to make elitist stick to Obama or some of the others like "Celebrity", "he's not like us",. Even Wal Mart is telling their employees that Obama represents bad evil labor (union) things to come. Giving the omens to their employees.
Daschle is a plant...so are all the other Reslimekens that are "campaigning" for Obama.
This seems to be the larger problem with the Democratic party. There are no attack dogs. There's nobody willing to call the GOP on the BS they march out behind flag pins and fear to the American public!
Get on the talk shows and come out and just SAY it. “Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman and John McBush are liars and here is what they have lied about…shut up while I’m talking Scarborough (or Wolfie or Tweety or whoever is trying to interrupt).”
"Maybe if I surrender, they'll be nice to me!"
The Democrats simply have to get it through their heads that, behind their talk of patriotism and homeland security and Christian goodness, the Republicans are a bunch of abusive wife-beaters (at least in mindset) ... and that as long as Democrats continue to play the victim, the Republicans will smirk and continue the abuse. They get off on it. They relish it. They won't stop.
Compromise is something for equals committed to the same objective and engaged in rational debate. Even the term 'bipartisan' is nonsense; it implies cooperation, but the root - partisan - is the exact opposite.
A "town hall" debate? I don't think so!! The so called Town Hall Meeting is usually packed with "Shills" for the Republicans so if Obama does not debate, no one should blame him - especially when the cards are stacked against him.
I think Daschle was quite eloquent while Graham seemed to be losing his cool. I watched the whole episode on Sunday. It was something.
Yes, for the general election Barack Obama Campaign surrogates MUST get back to the tactics they used so freely and liberally against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries; putting in a New York Times op-ed piece that she and her husband are practiced liars, announcing in a nationally televised interview that Obama will capture the black vote when "black America wakes up and gets it!" about supporting Barack Obama, not on the issues, but because of the color of his skin, sharing with YouTube and mainstream media elaborately produced and effectively time-released videos of men of god telling everyone that Bill Clinton was "riding dirty", that the Clintons are doing to black people what Bill did to Monica, that Hillary Clinton is a white racist crying over the fact that a black man walked into the contest to take away her entitlement to the nomination, that Obama's white grandmother is no less a racist than one of Obama's most meaningful longterm professional and personal relationships telling Obama's congregation/constituency that the U.S. government invented AIDS to kill black people, Obama telling us what "typical white people" think, high ranking campaign officials telling the press that Hillary Clinton is really "a monster", pushing the narrative that the Clintons are racists, etc., etc.
Honestly, where has Obama's and his surrogates' courage gone since Hillary dropped out of the race?
Dave at #37 is right to point out the value of the Daily Howler, but what is going on at the Howler and here, including many of the comments, is the old adage about liberals under attack circling the wagons and firing inward. Ever since the New Yorker cover BS I have been writing about how the media wants this to be about race. The McCain campaign wants this to be about race. The enemy here is the media and their obsession with race, which they deny. Don't let them. Make them cover what matters and when they slip into race, call them on it.
In all fairness to Tom Daschle, I'm sure he was overcome with a fit of the vapors, when Graham accused the Obama camp of lying and was certainly prepared to do whatever necessary - even if it meant a fainting spell - to defend the integrity of the Democratic nominee!
If we can't outthink a nitwit like Lindsay Graham, then all is lost.
Cris Dodd is a good attack dog. He is smart and was very surprising in the primaries. get his ass out there.
theWalrus @ 41:
You are spot on Walrus.
I think the main problem is that the democrats think the best strategy is to show themselves as civil and thoughtful. Those in the republic party will interrupt when the other guy is talking and keep a constant stream of words coming out of their mouths (at loud volume) so the person representing the democratic party can’t get a word in edgewise.
The problem is, politely waiting your turn to speak doesn’t give you time to speak before the segment is over.
I'll go you one better...Tom Daschle and Harold Ford are both LOSERS who either lost his office or his bid for office!!! Watching them is as irksome for me as watching Rick Santorum or Tom DeLay prattle on about one thing or another. Their constituents didn't think enough of any of them to keep around, so why the hell should we?
We don't need speakers representing Obama who couldn't even manage to save their own jobs! ...and for God's sake, if you can't win the day against a milquetoast puss like Lindsey Graham, just give it the f*ck up already!
"Tom has got to hit him with a sledge hammer if he’s going to call Obama a liar. This trying to look above it stuff will not work in the general. The culture of Rove knows only one thing. Character assassination and they are playing it big time against Obama. When Graham calls you a liar you don’t say McCain is not a racist. You point out that McCain’s camp ran an ad that had Obama’s face on Mount Rushmore and dollar bills."
I thought I pretty much said this already.
Take the gloves off. There are no longer any Marquis de Queensbury rules in politics.
thefumesfrommistercheneyscrack @ 2:
Obama's media campaign needs a complete overhaul. Now. This week.
That should have been done 2-3 weeks ago, and certainly sometime last week. If David Axelrod hasn't gotten the message by now, he's bigger moron than I thought.
It's time to start smashing them in the nuts with a baseball bat and when they bend over in pain, crushing their skulls with same.
Figuratively of course.
scunkle Says: Pelose, Reid, Daschle MUST GO!!! These dithering lightweights need to spend more time with their families.
They need a permanent vacation or a backbone implant. They are playing kickball while the repugs are playing hardball on steroids.
And this is why we fail and why Democrats are poor leaders. Rove and company are light years ahead of getting their message to the public. Democrats need to learn how to debate better.
can someone tell me why race/racism is a factor in all of this?
Having been in radio for 28 years, and a liberal talk host, I know all about advertising. The most important part of winning the war of public perception is to define your opponent first. That's what the McCain people are doing. They are succeeding. Obama, Daschle and others never respond directly when confronted, and always water their explanations down with praise of their opponants first and then gently take them to task. In advertising, it's called "wallpaper." No one will notice your message. My blog on this and Politico's article on "celebrity" examine the power of a well oiled Republican message machine.
http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccain-original-celebrity-but...
Dashle once a wimp, ALWAYS A WIMP
This si exactly correct. Call McBush out on all his idiot policies. LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!
bryancri@62
because it is a convenient distraction
"Do you feel better off than you did 8 years ago."
Try that one on for size. During every show and interview. It won Reagan the election and it can win Obama the election.
Hmm, it does seem to me in Britain that Obama is quick to invoke his colour whenever anybody challenges him on a political issue. Strage when you recall that he is the child of a white middle class home whose mother just happened to like boffing guys from Third World nations. I'm surprised he did not call our Government racists when he was politely informed that no, he could not address the British Parliament as PRESIDENT Reagan,PRESIDENT Clinton and PRESIDENT Bush (Mk 2) as well as other heads of state have done in the past. It is a privilege extended only to Heads Of State. He also had to be informed by several European governments that their endorsing him would be a breach of protocol.
Far from being the resounding success reported in the U.S. media, Obama's visit left many of us thinking "How is this possible? He's even more stupid and vacuous than Bush."
That two rich, white guys are on TV debating race should tell America all they need to know about where race relations are in America today. Anyone who thinks this election is about ANYTHING BUT RACE is kidding themselves. McCain and the GOP have nothing for America--they know it, we know it, and the only thing they can do is convince America it is not ready for a black man to lead the country.
John's suggestion: " We have the white women theme in the Britney/Paris ad. You bring up the Muslim internet rumor attacks. You pummel him with the way Republican operatives have attacked his middle name. They do it over and over again. I mean. WAKE UP! You must go on the offensive."
OK, last week Obama was attacking the Britney-Paris ad, talking about the use of his name, the e-mails, and the veiled racism and what happened...he got accused of making xenophobic charges of racism and false accusation of racism against the McCain campaign. And you are suggesting doing that again but LOUDER I suppose?
Who made the first accusation? Not McCain. ABC. Jake Tapper at 10:45 p.m. on Wednesday, July 31. He set up the McCain campaign charge which allowed them cover. The rest of the media fell right in. Boom. Issue no longer energy. Issue now race. R's win that fight.
It is the media folks.
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i am no fan of mccain, but why is mccain necessarily racist because of his lack of support for MLK day? if you don't support a federal holiday for someone who is non-white, are you necessarily racist? what does it even mean to be 'racist'?
my father used to say sh*t about black people. he never hurt anyone, never supported discrimination, never supported politicians who supported discrimination. but he had his personal feelings about black people, but mostly kept them to himself.
a lot of people from mccain's generation are slowly getting it; they are young souls, and they need time to realize that.
give this 'race' discussion a break. these guys are millionaires many times over, in pursuit of the highest office in the land. this is a class issue, folks and all this race talk is diverting from the real issues....
Liberal AND Proud @ 59:
L and P do like me and point out some of this crap on some right wing bloggs. Hit two or thee a day. It only takes a minute. Everybody else do the same. I'll be passing out Kangaroo points after the election.
"because it is a convenient distraction"
well, suffice it to say that C&L has clearly been distracted by a non-issue, and i guess the mccain camp has succeeded in doing so.
personally i appreciate daschle and kerry....yesterday
i stood for kerry.....i watched this interview yesterday
i thought daschle was fine....but i get it.....you people
are right maybe you have said excuse me but that's not
accurate whose not telling the truth. both campaign are
negative now....surprise....we knew mccain was going negative after 2000 when he couldn't beat a weak candidate bush.
personally and i may get some of you who disagree i would like to see hillary,biden and webb out their more.
i suspect it will happen very soon maybe after olympics.
American Native@70
might i suggest honey, the vinegar isn't quite as effective...
Lindsey Graham is a fag, and that's no lie. I am one, and it takes one to know one. i'm out and Graham is as closeted as his grandparents lost christmas presents. i dont care about his feelings as he clearly doesnt care about his fellow Americans who support Obama by calling them liars. i imagine some Obama supporters in SC may not take too kindly to being called liars. dont you represent them, Lindsey, you man/woman.
"Far from being the resounding success reported in the U.S. media, Obama’s visit left many of us thinking “How is this possible? He’s even more stupid and vacuous than Bush.”"
Run along, Ian...we destest McCain supporters, especially those of you that pretend to be from countries where Obama is liked, as opposed to the dimwitted, Grandpa Munster-McCain. Nice try, dillweed!
the only way mccain can win is if he changes the discussion.
and, as evidenced on a 'progressive' blog (crooks and liars), mccain is clearly winning, because, guess what?, we're talking about that elusive problem of "race" (whatever the heck that is)....
You have to wonder what little peccadilloes are in the files that Rove must have (a la J. Edgar Hoover) for the Dem 'leadership' to be so seriously emasculated that they let slip the easiest-to-bunt softballs. In another time and place, it was "Wheeeeere's the beef?". Indeed, where is the Dem's 'beef'?
Captain, I'm sure you've seen what we are up against in this country when you go to the right wing blogs.
The left is often criticised because we focus so much on our issues and show real passion. However, we also debate, even amongst ourselves, and respect each other's opinions.
When you read the comments in a "right wing" blog it is frightening how "indoctrinated" the people are...how static, unmoving, closed minded. It really is frightening. And there are educated people on those sites. THAT is what is so scarey.
I, for one, and I would assume most who post here on C&L, were not aware of
the exchanges between Daschel and Lindsey G. because WE are intelligent and
do not watch Faux Noise. This kind of interview between the two is purposely
"set up" by Faux; knowing that Daschel is a weak example of a Dem and is incapable of responding or challenging Lindsey G., so I am not too concerned,
inasmuch as the "dog and pony" show was primarily for the viewing of Faux's already uninformed/stupid audience, so it is only they who saw this kind of crap
and is not going to affect those of us who are educated and in touch w/the facts.
Screw Tom Daschle.
He couldn't look like a bigger pussy if he cut a hole thru a Georgia O'Keefe painting and stuck his empty head thru it.
I'm suprised Graham was able to remove McC*nt's johnson from his mouth long enough for the television appearance.....
breakspear#76
no disrespect and/or offense......i don't care if graham
is a "fag"...but lying i do care about. but it doesn't surprise me....he is not sophisticated he is a babbling parrot....he is a NEOCON....and he has taken rove's
negative linguistic correspondence courses....he's a cheap
shot person who's not the least bit interesting to me.
Why should they bother? The democrats are on a 5 week vacation now, enjoying the pleasant summer weather and doing jack to help out their constituents. (Unless the constituents are major contributors to their re-election campaigns.)
Daschle=Milquetoast (a dem trait unfortunately), as this country circles the drain and KKKRove's tactics take over the airwaves. Last I heard, the race was a tie. Couldn't Daschle come up with anything better? Sad, just sad.
This is another example of how the Dem party has no team of surrogates ready to go on the trail and help Obama. Kerry yesterday called McCain a great friend and a real patriot and attacked Wesley Clark. John, McCain doesn't need your help, Obama does. This same lack of outrage is what finished Kerry. Hell, when the voting irregularities were raised in Ohio he said squat. Where are the other candidates. Where is Dodd, Biden, Richardson, the Clintons, Kucinich are they not interested in winning the White House. Joe Lieberman who is heading a committee is speaking at the Republican convention supporting McCain, well throw his ass out on the street. The same group not out front speaking for Obama did fund raisers and supported Lieberman over Lamont. We appear wishy-washy.
Appearing wishy-washy and indecisive comes from sitting back and letting the other team set the tempo. McCain raises the bar with his attacks and the Dems continue to be seen sitting on the porch smoking a pipe. Hells bells it is ok to be pissed off when you are disrespected and called out. It is ok to defend your territory and it sure as hell is ok to remind folks that McCain has not voted in the last 400 occasions he had to do so. It is ok to remind people that he voted against MLK day, it is ok to remind folks he didn't vote to support the troops, it is ok to remind people he voted with Bush 100% of the time, it is ok to remind people that he voted to send their sons and daughters to fight two wars based on lies, it is ok to remind people that elitism has two sides and that owning 9 homes and having a family wealth of over $100 million separates him from the lives of most Americans. This election is not going to be handed to the DEMs and we better get our response team revved up, because after the convention is not the time to think about what we should do.
Appearing wishy-washy and indecisive comes from sitting back and letting the other team set the tempo. McCain raises the bar with his attacks and the Dems continue to be seen sitting on the porch smoking a pipe. Hells bells it is ok to be pissed off when you are disrespected and called out. It is ok to defend your territory and it sure as hell is ok to remind folks that McCain has not voted in the last 400 occasions he had to do so. It is ok to remind people that he voted against MLK day, it is ok to remind folks he didn't vote to support the troops, it is ok to remind people he voted with Bush 100% of the time, it is ok to remind people that he voted to send their sons and daughters to fight two wars based on lies, it is ok to remind people that elitism has two sides and that owning 9 homes and having a family wealth of over $100 million separates him from the lives of most Americans. This election is not going to be handed to the DEMs and we better get our response team revved up, because after the convention is not the time to think about what we should do.
Hey, I meant to say July 30, not July 31 at #70. Is that why you have me in moderation limbo?
I noticed, watching the video, that Graham kept looking over at his notes. He had all the talking points right there to refer to so he won't miss anything. These guy are prepared and on point.
Why be angry? Obama has been lying and has squandered the votes of real progressives with those lies.
Wake up you two party hacks. Baaaa
Was he being weak, or a tool?
For the record I am probably more radical than most of you folks, much more radical. I dread the prospect of a Republican victory as much or more than anyone.
But let's stop being crybabies, and wrong-headed crybabies at that. I hate to say it but L Graham was right when he said: "To say that Barack Obama did not intentionally inject the idea that he was going to be a victim of his name and his race is a lie.…he said Bush and McCain are going to make you afraid of me. he doesn’t, he’s got a funny name. You know he doesn’t look like those other presidents on those dollar bills. To say that that’s not trying to interject the idea that you’re a victim of John McCain, trying to make fun of your name and your racial background is lie."
Obama was stupid to say what he said which was implicitly about race (and other things too, but it's race that matters here). At the very least, he was accusing McCain of latent racism and of a willingness to run racist ads in the future. In doing so he gave McCain the chance to act innocent and hammer Obama for accusing him of racism, with no evidence, and then later absolving him of it by denying that McCain is racist. Obama looked stupid and nasty. I've seen nothing overtly (and only marginally covertly) racist in McCain's ads. You bring up "the white women theme" in the one ad. It seems clear to me that the thrust of that ad is to portray Obama as an airhead, not to link him in some sexual way with white women. Just because that was done with Harold Ford does not mean that anytime a white woman's photo appears in an ad means that interracial sex is being implied. Whining that it does is stupid, utterly unconvincing, and counterproductive. People can look at the ads and quite reasonably wonder "what the hell are the Obama people talking about?"
The fact that there are wingnuts out there who DO attack Obama on racial, ethnic, and other grounds is essentially irrelevant, unless you think that the great middling masses believe in that "vast right-wing conspiracy." It's McCain that's the target. Stay focused and specific.
David Gergen might be right about "the one" ad having a coded racist meaning in the south; I'm not at all so sure of it. The main point of the ad, in any event, is the charge of presumptuousness against Obama, of a bloated ego, of a messiah complex. This is bullshit and should be addressed as such. Why are people introducing the question "Is this racist?" For the great majority of people the answer is NO....and that plays to McCain's hand.
There is plenty in McCain's ads to respond to...aggressively. But Obama needs to stay on the mark, respond to what's there and not what he thinks might be there later. He needs to be seen as direct, rational, correct, and forceful...not as guessing and whining. There are a great many white folks who view blacks' complaints about racism as a convenient dodge, as an excuse for blacks' own behavior and/or failings. Obama has fallen into this trap by whining about racist attacks by McCain that had not been made. For many whites there is a knee-jerk reaction to this kind of claim that is to the effect that he's just another worthless black who is trying to dodge responsibility by crying "race". Think "OJ."
After the unfair, but probably effective attacks on Obama for not visiting hospitalized troops in Germany, he gave his "they are going to attack me because I don't look like other [white] presidents" speech. Some response. He should have been ready with ads showing what he has done to help troops and to blast McCain for screwing them over. Where is this ad? Where is the ad blasting McCain for taking so much money from big oil while advancing "solutions" that won't work except to raise gas prices more? Instead we get the apparently true but politically useless stuff about tire inflation. Does anyone seriously expect Joe or Jane Sixpack to respond favorably to that? With McCain's ads about Obama's airheadedness and inexperience, Obama should be responding with hard -hitting ads about McCain's ignorance, confusion, absence from meetings, and so forth. My god, there's plenty of video to work with. But where is this ad? Whining merely confirms what McCain is saying: it sure sounds like how an airhead would reply. For the Dems to run out John Kerry to defend Obama from charges of elitism and whining is a bad joke.....consider what the public image of Kerry is. But probably any Dem would do as badly.....as some bloggers have noted, Dems seen to have internalized a losing mentality. They need to stop giving the enemy opportunities by being stupid and they need to go on the offensive by hammering McCain's inabilities and his record. They also need to consider the audience they are trying to appeal to, explain what they mean to the audience, and not assume that everyone knows what they mean (Wesley Clark and Obama take note). They need NOT to try to do glib soundbites. They need to stop being afraid.
daschle was on ed schultz earlier... basically said that the obama campaign was not going to get in the dirt, not going to fall back on the old style...
aggravating, i understand... but he's determined to CHANGE.
i sure hope "it'll all come out in the wash"...
rj @ 14:
When in Hell are we going to start to fight back,we don't need Sen. Obama approval to fight back, we are trying to save our country,how can we call congress spineless, when we are doing the same thing, we have fighter in the Democratic Party, hey, let do this, we know how to fight.
a family member sent this email... he thinks it's hilarious:
how to deal with people like that???
We have to get on our "game" because the other side is not treating this like a scrimmage.
Check out John Dolan's article from alternet.org.
Are they crazy? Yes.
Are they kidding? No.
Let's mock his middle name, and then claim it was his idea! Brilliant!
Honestly, I think they're going to hit him from all angles simultaneously, knowing that a set percentage of what they say will stick. Double the attacks, double the doubt!
katy @ 94:
Captain Bitter Whiner Husein Kangaroo and liberal AND proud, I am SOOOOO with you on this.
Where in the hell is Hillary? Where is Jim Webb? Get Biden's sorry ass back from vacation. Barbara Boxer? Jon Tester?
Claire McCaskill is out there all by herself, god bless her.
Democratic Senators, Congrecritters, get off your efffing asses or you will be saying" Yessir, President McCain, how high and may I have another?"
That was the one reason why I was initally for Hillary as opposed to Obama.
She would step on McCain's testicles with the heel of her stilettos every single day and never lose one minute of sleep over it. Say what you will about Clinton ethics and history, the woman knows how to fight like a Republican.
Obama had better learn how.
katy @ 97:
Yeah that one's hilarious.
It's been used on Kerry, Gore and Clinton.
Texasbob, watch the videos of Obama in Missouri making the comments you complain about. Obama was telling a joke and the mostly white audience laughed.
All the press except Jake Tapper reported it as nothing more than it was. It was Tapper's reporting that gave McCain the opening as much as Obama's words.If you look at the video McCain has released called "The One" they use Obama talking about the "epiphany" line that was a joking reference to what Hillary Clinton had said about his followers.
You are blaming, as does Bob Somerby at the Daily Howler, for having his words taken out of context and thrown back at him to mean something they were not meant to mean. You may be right that Obama could have focused on something better, but to the degree that you ignore the ability of the McCain campaign, aided by a compliant or lazy press corps to distort anything he says, you are really suggesting he is left to say nothing.
bryancri @ 71:
if fighting against mlk day is not racist, then why is mcliar now saying he always supported it?
why doenst he restate his original meme that he doesnt believe in fed holidays because they cost too much?
because it was a lie then, and its a lie now
What name does the dollar bill ad have on McCain's web site. I can't find it. Could they have taken it off?
McCain is a liar. Forget the high road and go the publicity route it takes to make "McCain" a brandname synonymous with "liar." Pound it home to the point where, while McCain is on the defensive, spinning and has to come up with something bigger to shift attention, Obama could just announce his VP.
Chris Dodd can't be everywhere. He's seems to be the only aggressive member of team democrat (Checkout his exchange with O'Reilly on the O'Reilly factor on youtube,its classic). We need to be much more aggressive in these discussions. I just saw this same type of weak response in a discussion this weekend with John Kerry and Joe Lieberman. Kerry let Lieberman talk all over him with pro-McCain talking points. You can't let these guys get the upper hand. The more you leave these lies the republicans put out there unchallenged, the more people will believe them. I just e-mailed the DNC on this. I hope they will even read it. We need to go toe to toe with these RNC liars or McSame will win in November.
if tom daschle had a spine, he might still be a senator.
Obama's surrogates gotta trash wimps like Graham, especially when it's white guy on white guy, and their guy lisps like a screen door.
secularhumanizinevoluter @ 22:
where has obama lied?
where has he been arrogant?
where has he really shifted positions?
what you mean to say is that he is a lazy, shiftless, uppity n-word
say it!!!!
The Democrats are all holding knives and the Republicans are holding guns. The Democrats think that knives are the high road and guns are "politics of the past"
The only thing you get when you take the high road in a gun fight is you get shot from a lower angle.
It doesn't matter if the gun is dirty or mean or unfair or misleading. It is still a gun shooting your ass and if you don't pull out the same kind of gun you are going to DIE.
I'm sorry, Daschle is and always has been useless and stunned. A real gentleman operating in a den of thieves. Know what happens to you there, Tom? They take your damn watch!
Daschle's ineffectual timid response, much like Kerry's capitulation during one of the segments on Meet the Press, explains why one is out of office and the other not a President, perhaps justifiably so in both cases.
If you're not up for the fight that's coming your way, better to step aside and letter you betters take over than surrender meekly in the defeat under the guise of comity, and therein lay the problem. The Daschle's and Kerry's of the Democratic Party love the juice, they just don't want to be seen squeezing the fruit.
Low-level McCain surrogates are running around like crazy people suggesting Obama is a terrorist and a muslim. To note that low brow behavior means you are using the race card?
It's catch-22 republican style.
secularhumanizinevoluter @ 22:
What polls are Obama "tanking" in?
Obama 316 McCain 209 Ties 13
Obama 284 McCain 157 Toss-up 13
Has the media still not picked up on the Obama-Dollar Bill ad?
...the hell?
Jon @ 115:
Because they are too busy giving McGrampa free airtime for the his latest fruitless smear.
Can someone PLEASE prove that it's McCain's? It's not on his web site.
secularhumanizinevoluter @ 22:
Democrat Barack Obama holds a two-to-one lead over Republican John McCain among low-wage workers but many are uncommitted to either presidential candidate, to according to a new poll by The Washington Post, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University.
Obama's advantage is due largely to overwhelming support from African Americans and Hispanics, but even among white voters, the Illinois senator leads McCain 47 percent to 37 percent, The Washington Post reported in Monday editions.
P.S. Robert Novak announces immediate retirement
esm @ 117:
Prove exactly what?
Nicky @ 103:
i've been very leery of tapper for quite some time...
am assured now to think of him as another tool... along with abc...
#32
memo to obama:
when the senate leader of your party loses a re-election campaign, and has no scandal to blame it on, he probably won’t make a good surrogate for you…
LOL, good point eyerah, i'm always thinking that when that buffoon Bob Shrum hits the airwaves talking about winning elections...he's lost how many elections in a row now??
Mother freaking fucker. If Obama wants to be president, he's going to have to get into the gutter with grandpa. Period. Enough of this namby-pamby bullshit. Where are the ads saying that he wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years? That should be relenlessly pounded into the voters minds constanly from now until November.
Dr. Britney Hussein Matt @ 119:
The dollar bill ad is not on McCain's web site. Some conservatives are saying it isn't a legitimate McCain ad. Either that, or it has a name I don't recognize. I didn't look at all of them.
American Native @ 70:
You know why everyone thinks your "3rd Party" is a joke? Because all you do is whine and bash the other parties on message boards - none of you ever do the real legwork of party building. Where are the yard signs? Where are the fundraisers? Where are the candidates speaking? Where are you canvassing? Nowhere - all you do is complain about how unfair it is that you have to work for results and talk shit to those of us who are actually trying. You know how many "Green Party" candidates are going to be on my Ballot this Nov.? One - President. That's it. If your own party doesn't even care enough to field, fund, and campaign candidates across the board, why the fuck would I take you seriously?
PS: Thanks for the last 8 years. Oh yeah, I forgot, there was "No Difference" between Bush and Gore.
Get off your ass and work for change or Shut The Fuck Up.
Re: Dollar Bill Ad from McCain. Last time I ran it I clicked on the Youtube link.
At Youtube it linked me directly to the McCain website. Don't know what that means, but its closer than Kevin Bacon.
esm @ 123:
It's on McGrampa's official youtube account. And the ad ends with "Paid for McCain 2008".
Which reich-wingers are claiming it's not a McGrampa ad?
Daschle, weak? What a news flash.
This is what I was talking about, boys and girls. Read it here. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/08/mccains-mess-of-porridge-and-why-obama.html
Thinking about old Texasbob again from # 94 (my copy and refresh links are gone and his post was too long anyway).
As a fellow Texan, you should know what "playing the race card" means. It is usually associated with the old segregationist wing of the southern Democratic party, as in George Wallace, as a liberal, had the race card played on him and vowed never "to be out n****red again." The Republicans adopted it as their Sourhtern strategy in 1968 and have not stopped using it since.
The race card is when someone in the majority appeals to the prejudices of the majority against minority. Hence it is usually a white tactic, appealing to white prejudice against blacks. Johnnie Cochran, O.J. Simpson's black attorney was asked if he used 'the race card" in defending O.J. Knowing exactly what that meant, and because he used the prejudice of a predominately black jury against the white police, he said he had and because it was the reverse use of it, referred to having "played it off the bottom of the deck." Those were the exact words used by Rick Davis of the McCain campaign when he accused Obama of playing the race card..."off the bottom of the deck." Not only did Davis play the race card with his false accusation, he made a sick joke most people did not get.
A black speaker talking to a predominately white audience using a line that gets laughs cannot be playing "the race card.'
Site Monitor: Don't use the n-word. It won't go through our filters and your posts will all get caught up.
Weak weak weak. Perhaps Obama would not make a good candidate, as it appears he will just cave to everything the Republicans want, including Oil drilling. He says "limited" oil drilling, but the GOP will not be through until he allows every square inch of America's borders to be fair game. SOMEBODY ELSE/ ANYBODY ELSE '08!!!
No wonder the guy got bounced from the Senate in '04. Why do these guys always "fail upwards"....that is get rewarded for doing an inept job by getting a better job. In this case, going from failed Senate leader to voted out of office to Obama campaign co-chair. VERY FRUSTRATING
You're losing me Dems. I am so sick of these little Repugnican/Neocon pussies making you their bitches. Lindsay Graham for fuck sake? What a wimp! Sean Hannity? Chicken Hawk with penis envy! These fucktards are gonna walk away with it. Grow a sack Pelosi, Reid, Daschle and anyone else going up against these lying sons of bitches!!!! Take off the gloves - call them out for lying sacks of shit that they are. Quit fucking around!!!!! Sorry C&L - it's hot today in NW Arkansas and I am in no mood to see the Dems take another ass-fuckin' by the likes of Lindsay "Bionic Turd" Graham. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. Britney Hussein Matt @ 128:
Thank you! I'm arguing about it on a message board. They may have taken it elsewhere, I don't know.
I think (and this is just opinion) that you all worry way too much. Veep and debates, that is where the tipping point is and until such time you should all get a refill (or your first prescription!) of Alprazolam very soon! Geez, it's Lindsey Graham ladies (and Tom Daschle, oh, eek!). This negative campaigning will not outdo energy prices, not come this fall! They've got nothing on our guy; take some pleasure in that for Jebus’ sake. Relax already, you talk about how this behavior is playing right into the Repugnicant game plan but I believe that your neurosis is the actual goal of the McSame (rather lamely executed) smear campaign. Take a deep breath and exhale, RLR. And of course, get out there and volunteer! It will naturally take away your anxiety, without that stale aftertaste!
Obama made the comment he made and now there's a maelstrom of "who's a racist now?!?!" and/or "Who's the liar NOW?!?!" and it's disgusting because both sides look like idiots instead of statesmen. If Obama wants to win on his initiatives he should focus on them, stop the rhetoric about who's new and who's old ,"new politics" (and then show old methods), etc., and perhaps refrain from rather specific "vague generalities" of the kind that started this round of the Maelstrom. And the press and blogosphere should knock off all the ingenuous gainsaying around it and actually report something of substance and keep them on their respective messages; like "He guys, what about offshore drilling? are you both on the 4$ is too much for americans to pay for petrol bandwagon, or what?" and watch them squirm. i want a cutthroat press to run the campaign, not the cutthroat campaigns to run the press. The press is supposed to be OUR press, the 4th branch of our government, just like Thomas Paine envisioned. Not a bunch of sycophantic word processors wanting to get their story in the history books. Edward R. Murrow is rolling in his grave right now, as we speak. SHAME!
To Nicky:
It never occurred to me that the McCain folks might take Obama's words out of context or that the msm is lame. Oh wait, I think they were part of my point. I'm far from saying that Obama should not say anything, but I am saying that he needs to be very careful about racial issues and very careful about what he says in general so that he does not provide grist to their mill.
I'd also suggest that there are darn few folks who have your grasp of what Johnny Cochran said years ago, and fewer still who care; but they do understand that "dealing from the bottom of the deck" means cheating, and they don't like that. It is also a charge that plays to white stereotypes of blacks....though probably not in so overt a way as to support a charge of racism. At least not in the minds of middle of the road white voters. Similarly, whether Obama's remark was greeted with amusement by his original white audience strikes me as arcane and irrelevant, just like your reference to Johnny Cochran. People don't know that and they don't get that and they're not going to spend hours doing the research to find out. What they get is what they see...and the McCain propagandists know what they want people to see.
Obama should stay on message and otherwise try to keep his mouth shut. If you know that the enemy will distort what you say, it seems stupid to me to unnecessarily feed them. The brand new "gas price" ad from Obama is pretty good, makes a lot of good linkages and appealing proposals. Americablog has it...probably others too by now.
Hope this is not tooooo long a post. By the way, it is hardly just Bob Somerby who is having doubts. Digby is another. Keep your eyes open for more.....
Cheers,
"old" Texasbob
Whenever the MSM wants a Democrat In Name Only they get one of the usual suspects. Daschle was getting much of his money from his wife's efforts related to working for big pharma while he was Senator. There aren't a lot of major pharmaceutical companies in Montana but he was working for them just the same.
Asking a blue dog to stand up for any Democrat or any progressive issue is a waste of time and effort. Daschle, like plenty of other politicians, only stand for the things they are paid to support. They "fall up" by working for the highest bidder. I doubt Daschle would have any interest in changing the current culture of corruption.
we democrats who vote these weak assholes into
office are the ones who need to wake up.
we should stop electing poodles and elect some pitbulls.
the rethuglicans do. you don't win when you lie down
and wait for a dry humping from the competition.
The only problem I see is the MSM will go 24/7 with how negative Obamas ads have become. They won't report the facts just the opinion that he's gone negative and he said he wouldn't , therefore making him a liar and a flip flopper. I do agree though taking the high road gets you jack shit in the general. The MSM like to crow about how dirty and nasty politics are, yet continue to feed the beast, the MSM should be fact checking McLoosenukes and deriding him for being negative and calling his BS but we'll never see it. Obama has the attention of the mass media and just like Gore, just like Kerry it will surely cost them the election, no matter what the candidates actually say or do. Just like in Germany if he'd gone to see the troops he loses, if he doesn't see the troops he loses. The media will parrot back anything you put out there against Obama, even if it is blatantly false, ludicrous or just plain mean you could say "Obama is a Secret Black Panther bankrolled by Farakan" and ten minutes later Blitzer will be saying "Is Obama a secret black panther.... funded by Farakan? We'll have the latest breaking news on allegations made against the Democratic nominee, right after these messages."
I'm disgusted. Spineless idiots. Obama doesn't have a chance to win with help like this pouring his way out of the dems cache of has-been reps and senators.
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I have a friend from South Dakota. Hard core republican, would eat a plate of Dubya's poop with a smile on his face and name it freedom cake. He also is a fan of Daschle. Any time someone who is a conservative supports someone calling themselves a democrat, I am suspicious.
What the hell are these democrats doing on Fox anyway. Is the money too good to resist?
Eris23 @ 108:
What? you can't call a POW a liar! it's in the rules somewhere down at MSM HQ. / snark
Tom Daschle came close to within an inch of his life standing up to Bush and the Patriot Act. (lost his job though)
...after the anthrax attacks he learned who is running the show and has since fallen in step with "the program".
many other Democrats are also "compromised"
The base is strong, opinionated, brave.
Our so-called elected officials to date, not so much.
Don't hand the frakin' GOP another undeserved victory. Fight, damn you. That's what we donate money for and expect you to do!
About Graham.
I don't know what to make of this, but for the longest time I have wondered about his past, specifically his adolescence. Nothing much seems to be public about that period.
Something peculiar about gangbangers, they plant their feet heels together, at about 90º angle, they frequently form hand signals unconsciously, and they hold their head, tilted back in mug shots, just like Graham.
Just wondering
what is "word press" and why is it censuring my words?
The base is strong, opinionated, brave.
Our so-called elected officials to date, not so much.
Don't hand the frakin' GOP another undeserved victory. Fight, damn you. That's what we donate money for and expect you to do!
Lindsey 'the liar' Graham is nothing if he is not scum. He is the crap you scrape off the sole of your shoe when you step into cow flop or horse dung.
The co-chair of a campaign can't get down into the dirt with cretins like Graham. It is up to third parties, who to this point have been far too quiet, to go after McCain and his minions, and kick their butts every time they open their mouths. You that they are not going to spout anything but lies.
A message to the Dems:
Spines!!, Spines for sale !!!
Get your Spines here !!
Spines for sale!!!!!!!
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