August 29, 2008 11:30 PM
Open Thread
Just a lil' sumpin from Morse at Media Needle. Too bad Cheney wasn't in on the hunt they might have bagged a Texas businessman at the same time as the moose. Open thread below....
Just a lil' sumpin from Morse at Media Needle. Too bad Cheney wasn't in on the hunt they might have bagged a Texas businessman at the same time as the moose. Open thread below....

Obama/Biden'08
Did you see McGrandpa checking out Gov. Palin's "package"?
Sheesh, that's creepy.
Made a new "Honest McCain Campaign Poster" at my blog in honor of his wandering eye.
Monty Python’s Michael Palin Tabbed as McCain’s Attorney General
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=2798
2 GOPnot4me Says: Did you see McGrandpa checking out Gov. Palin’s “package”?
Sheesh, that’s creepy.
Made a new “Honest McCain Campaign Poster” at my blog in honor of his wandering eye.
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Yup .. duly noted !!
there is a show on fox called Belt Way Boys i guess i came upon it and listened. one of the guys dominated the conversation and was totally AGAINST the palin pick. he said it was ridiculous and that mccain caved. i hope to find it on youtube. he was good not just because it's how i feel but it was good.
palin raised taxes on oil companies...fine but that's not
conservative
Honored, BG.
Can we help the busy little lady out, and collectively,
pro bonerpro bono, start drafting her noble withdrawal speech for week's end?The Deadliest Catch.
I'm thinking Palin is not going to make it all the way. She'll be pressured into faking some reason to bail...
enor @ 8:
i have this notion that she is good at faking it. although
scary jindel has more experience than palin. what gets to me there are people who honestly like this pick.
Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin?
I still don't get it.
In spite of the "effort" made after Katrina, poor neighborhoods in New Orleans still have a chance of being screwed over by Gustav. Presidential scholars have little confidence in Palin.
Tequila @ 11:
Them too, eh?
Funny how these "pro-lifers" always wanna kill things. Iraqis, Iranians, polar bears, dear, birds.... doesn't really matter which of God's creatures it is so long as it's outside a womb.
Gov. Palin and Iraq
Presumably, John McCain would only select a candidate for vice president who shared his supposedly clear-eyed vision about Iraq, who had also called for -- or at least thought it was a good idea -- to push more troops into Iraq in 2007.
Well, maybe Sarah Palin thought the surge was great, or maybe she didn't. It's hard to tell what, if anything, Palin thinks or thought about the surge of troops in Iraq, or the decision to invade Iraq in the first place, for that matter. A clip search doesn't show any substantive comments from Palin about Iraq during her short term as governor of Alaska, in 2007 or 2008, or at any point prior to that. That includes instances when she was specifically asked about the war.
In an interview with Alaska Business Monthly shortly after she took office in 2007, Palin was asked about the upcoming surge. She said she hadn't thought about it. "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq," she said. "I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place; I want assurances that we are doing all we can to keep our troops safe."
Seven months into the surge, she still either had not formed any opinion on the surge or the war or just wasn't sharing. "I'm not here to judge the idea of withdrawing, or the timeline," she said in a teleconference interview with reporters during a July 2007 visit with Alaska National Guard troops stationed in Kuwait. "I'm not going to judge even the surge. I'm here to find out what Alaskans need of me as their governor."
On July 17, 87% of Alaskan CBS TV news viewers thought Phalin was lying about her firing of a government official.
See it on the news here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPTMcs8wpHc
She left that Down's Syndrome baby and returned to work 3 days after birthin' him!
It's that "partial birth-abandonment"?
That lying sack of shit Kristol: http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/kristol_gingrich_on_...
xoites defends Constitution @ 10:
It was a sitcom on The WB. "Vice President Hockey Mom," as I recall.
It was cancelled after ten weeks.
Senior Republican officials are saying that if McCain postpones the convention "due to Gustav" it means
MiersPalin is out...help me out here....palin raised taxes on Oil Company profits to give citizens 'An Equitable Share' why is it okay
for palin but obama gets beat up for talking windfall profit tax
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/30/palin-raised-taxes-on-oil-c...
False Dmitriy @ 18:
Replaced by "Desperate Beauty Queen" as I recall.
constituent @ 5:
Charles Krauthammer is railing against the pick in today's WaPo, too. Not that Krauthammer's anything but a total fool, but that says a lot. There are a truck-load of Repugs who would've been better choices--at least they would've been able to sit across from Putin without him busting up laughing at them.
Now the question is: How stupid (and self-destructive) are 'Murkins in general? Will we allow this to happen?
xoites defends Constitution @ 10:
I heard she was at a spelling bee and the word was POTATOE. “I really haven’t thought about it”, Sarah said. We don’t have those kinds of trees in Alaska.
(Sorry, I'm missing VP Quayle at the moment.)
since this an open thread...
i'd like to bring attention to what i'll describe as "chinese government style of censorship" i'm experience with youtube videos containing political content...
one example of several similar such experiences: i tried to view the youtube link of the minnesota raid and got a "video no longer available" message... after having consistently experienced this message numerous times over the last few months with "practically" (because i'm working on memory, not recorded data) every link you guys have posted, and having initially assumed a legitimate techical reason would explain my experience; i decided to post a question on if others could still view the video i had been informed was "no longer available".
apprimately 7 minutes later, i noticed a fresh comment in th comment section where someone had clearly just viewed it. 30 minutes later and another comment has been added while i still cannot view it.
i can view the media needle video without any problem... but not the gop-sanctioned raid.
the only explanation i can think of is that it's quite easy to identify me as a viewer from canada and am being barred from viewing political content which could potentially tarnish america.
now, my thoughts turn to a solution such as an ip spoofer to get around what is beginning to appear as overt censorship by youtube.
are you guys soon to be unavailable to non-residents as well...?
south ossetia will become part of russia. probably not a popular stance regarding georgia i think we should stay out of it. but i realize it's much more complicated than that.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4635843.ece
more importent then this frivolitys is ice road truckers is in its season finality tomorrow , alaskas answer to nascar! keep your fingers crossed !
btw... sorry about so many typos... and some poor grammar...
the former i can blame on getting used to typing with a virtual
keyboard on my tablet... the latter... to being too irked to take
the time to proofread... my apologies.
constituent @ 20:
Because Palin didn't abort a Downs Syndrome baby, don't ya know. Also, POW!
McCain prepares to play president by perhaps giving convention speech in the hurricane disaster zone. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/13013.html
Tacky transparent political ploy. Capitalizing on the suffering of Americans for political gain while not really giving a shit, he's a Republican alright.
Come to think of it, America is a disaster zone after 8 years of Republicanism seems fitting he would give the convention speech from a disaster zone I guess.
constituent @ 25:
Don't worry. Putin is now blaming the US Rep's for the "attack" by Georgia.
That basically means the Russians won't push for the limit. They now make it sound as they had no other choice, but don't give evidence. That's a bit weak for Russia.
tyree @ 26:
I am. That the ice melts sooner than expected.
Ruthless People @ 29:
Trying to distance himself from Shrub, or just trying to make us forget his birthday party three years ago?
Chuck @ 17:
She's a reformer of her own party, eh?
I hope someone asks her to name 10 Republicans in Congress that should be thrown out.
It’s not just the “experience” issue. Palin is a woman who admits she has never CONSIDERED America’s place in the world. Should McCain/Palin win she would be a heartbeat away from being the President and while definitely not “stupid” she is staggeringly “ignorant” of the threats this nation faces and how to meet them.
Additionally, her positions on Women’s rights issues are so far out of the American mainstream that the mainstream is not even in sight. She is anti-choice EVEN if the mother’s life is in danger, even in the case of rape, even in the case of incest. She is against birth control, even condom use by married couples. She is a far right Evangelical Christian creationist from a tiny crazy-right religious community in a valley in Alaska.
This woman is so far out of the mainstream on every issue, is so “ignorant” on SO MANY issues that she doesn’t bear any serious consideration.
AND YET - She is not the issue – her judgment is not the issue – her sex is not the issue. The ISSUE is John McCain’s outrageous LACK OF JUDGMENT in even thinking for a second that this woman should be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Mrs. Palin is a fine woman, a GREAT mother and an exemplary Alaskan – none of which matters – none of which is an issue. John McCain – by choosing her over so many others so vastly more qualified, informed, interested and available is AN INSULT to the American people and shows that in his case “MAVERICK” means as Obama said about him - “John, you just don’t get it.”
BobbyG @ 7:
Funny, I didn't think buzzards flew out over water...
Why Noah Millman thinks it is no big deal that Sarah Palin is grossly unqualified to be President:
"I realize, of course, that she’s totally unqualified to be President at this point in time. If McCain were to die in February 2009, I hope Palin would have the good sense to appoint someone who is more ready to be President to be her Vice President, on the understanding that she would then resign and be appointed Vice President by her successor. (Lest anyone say that this is an absurd, unconstitutional or undemocratic scenario, recognize that this is pretty much what would happen in a Parliamentary system where, if the head of government dies, a successor is chosen by the party.) Palin is absolutely not ready to be President now, but that is a problem that is very easily dealt with if she is and the governing party want to do so."
That sure makes me have faith in the Democratic process!!!!!
maby bush just doesnt want to really waste two real politicians when he declares martial law , think of the embarassment!
It's McCain's 72nd birthday, so why doesn't he just give thanks for the great life of wealth and privilege afforded him by his trophy wife, and go off with her into the sunset and their homes to try to make her happy? Is Cindy just not enough for his massive ego -- he has to try to run the free world in his golden years, with a former beauty queen as his veep partner?
I do not see how Cindy can put up with this. She has earned the right to be worshipped by her boy toy. Look for Cindy to become even more heavily medicated in days to come.
She isn't going to make it to the convention.
McCain will get a do over, but the judgment issue will reverberate.
Cheney's pulling an all-nighter setting up his shadow government.
Cindy and Sarah is too confusing. Can we just call them Britney and Paris?
klunk @ 24:
zonealarm pro can ghost you
norton has a ghoster as well
constituent @ 25:
NATO’s navy delivers weapons to Georgia under guise of humanitarian aid
Pravda
August 27, 2008
NATO has been increasing its naval presence in the Black Sea during the recent several days.
“The US Navy destroyer USS McFaul, which is currently docked in the Georgian port of Batumi, carries about 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles on board. They are outfitted with nuclear warheads and are meant to hit ground targets. The remaining NATO ships are currently concentrated in the northern part of the Black Sea,” a source in the military intelligence of the Russian Federation said.
Russia ‘could destroy NATO ships in Black Sea within 20 minutes’
RIA Novosti
August 29, 2008
MOSCOW, August 29 () - Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is capable of destroying NATO’s naval strike group currently deployed in the sea within 20 minutes, a former fleet commander said on Friday. (Russian Navy modernized - Image gallery)
Russia’s General Staff said on Tuesday there were 10 NATO ships in the Black Sea - three U.S. warships, the Polish frigate General Pulaski, the German frigate FGS Lubeck, and the Spanish guided missile frigate Admiral Juan de Borbon, as well as four Turkish vessels. Eight more warships are expected to join the group.
tyree @ 37:
after nato initiates the war with russia, w will declare himself president until all wars end. he'll claim that the patriot act and the authorization to use force empowere him to do so.
Ok, I know they're forecasting Gustav to hit somewhere around New Orleans. But the first forecast I saw predicted him to stray to the right and slamming into the west coast of Florida. In the last 12 hrs, Gustav has veered off to the right a little bit.
I really do hope those folks in Florida are keeping up on this. There is no way around this hurricane. It's going to slam someone.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26459330/
Gustav,with the so called Loop Current.
not good.
good luck Florida.
is the word "Black" triggering moderation?
JimboSlice@36
"Palin is absolutely not ready to be President now, but that is a problem that is very easily dealt with if she is and the governing party want to do so.”
"Dealt with" sounds so sinister.
Wow think about that really happening. The shady powers that be, could install whomever they wanted.
this is what i suspect from the mccain campaign do NOT
talk/chant....'drill here ....drill now'.....until Gustav is gone. depending on the damage it could be a while.
Janet @ 46:
like boosh?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! well sequoia its late and im not going to be able to do much about it till the morrow , night!
False Dmitriy @ 39:
media will clean it up as usual. was there any real blowback after harriet meirs? no!
tyree @ 49:
g'nite!
L.A. Times
As an unswerving member of the left wing of the Democratic Party, Sen. Barbara Boxer of California wasn't going to be much impressed with whomever McCain selected as a running mate. Still, her reaction to the pick of Palin is noteworthy for its sharpness, especially given Boxer's commitment to feminist causes. Here's Boxer's statement:
"The vice president is a heartbeat away from becoming president, so to choose someone with not one hour's worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.
"If John McCain thought that choosing Sarah Palin would attract Hillary Clinton voters, he is badly mistaken.
"The only similarity between her and Hillary Clinton is that they are both women. On the issues, they could not be further apart.
"Sen. McCain had so many other options if he wanted to put a woman on his ticket, such as Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison or Sen. Olympia Snowe -- they would have been an appropriate choice compared to this dangerous choice.
A Cheney hunting joke! How rich!
can someone please explain to me what the fuck howard fineman is talking about?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26473986
dude totally glosses over her record and creates a new term...exurban america
wasilla aint exotic...its a podunk town with a tavern as its downtown hotspot...
oooh...she got tuff with the oil companies....wish someone could explain where that extra tax money went...cuz it didnt go where she said it did...those rebate checks she sent out to everyone came from the monies never returned for the bridge to nowhere
for someone who is so tuff...she hasnt done much in the way of enviromental protections...which as a hunter and fisherman, she should be concerned with
she hides her good looks? really??
so please, someone explain this article to me
or maybe, like me, he just wants to bang her
constituent @ 52:
Yeah, but they're not as hot.
A rich beer heiress for a wife and a hot young Vice-President. Really, isn't that just what every 'Murkin male wants?
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 54:
howard is idiotic
Even Diddy is complaining about gas prices!
fastfeat @ 55:
What does Boxer know? Samantha Bee knows!!
If a governor is more suited to become president, then consider that Jon Corzine made a successful transition from Senator to Governor.
So why not Obama to president?
What's the big deal?
If you're a fan of memes:
I don't know what you're talking about, so here is a picture of Sarah Palin with pancakes on her head.
fastfeat @ 55:
I'd rather just have the beer, myself.
As long as it's not Budweiser. Good beer.
Go to the Republican Convention site. No Palin. You have to click through to McCain's website to see a single picture of her. This decision was way, way out of left field if the convention still doesn't have pictures of her up. They do have a link where you can find out What They're Saying About the Podium Design for the 2008 Republican National Convention. That podium is about as qualified for the Vice-Presidency as Palin is.
They certainly do not want to be accused of not worshiping the flag.
Oh, those craven images.
check this out coincidence or deliberate
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_ad_questioned_as_word_HANG_0828.html
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According the rightwing cesspool Politico, Bush won't be at the RNC and McChickenShit will be doing his acceptance speech via satellite.
Could they be running and hiding again from another catastrophic event? The storm is hitting NOLA, not St. Paul. Inquiring minds want to know.
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constituent @ 64:
That was deliberate and anyone can see that.
StirFry @ 65:
The storm has already hit. The GOP is dead.
The AP sugarcoats McCain after ridiculing him in the same article.
xoites defends Constitution @ 66:
Wow....WOW.....I can't believe that shit. Another blatant example of bigotry.
StirFry @ 69:
Subliminal advertising. Suggesting a lynching goes beyond bigotry.
I thought we'd see a video of Bullwinkle J. Moose endorsing Obama first, but this is side splitting funny! :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 70:
Holy $#%& ! The individual frame with "HANG" in the background seems to be the point around which the ad was designed. The full ad has the upper left corner shaded for that shot - then immediately not shaded. It is subliminal as hell, and I had to go back as slo-mo the video to even catch it - even though I was looking for it.
fiver @ 71:
there are people that don't want progress they want division/hate....there must be money in it.
mcPander may deliver acceptance speech from huricane area.
http://thinkprogress.org/
President Palin...
Really? What's she going to do with her 5 kids (4.x kids if the youngest is her grandchild)?
I know people with very conservative family values and I can tell you that they believe that children should be raised by the mom while the husband earns a living. Since the future first husband works at British Petroleum, I'm sure he's earning enough to support his beauty queen wife. The beauty queen wife was "mayor" of a town with less than 20,000 people. GIVE ME A BREAK. Everybody gets a turn at Mayor in a town of that size. (But I digress...) How is the First Husband going to square the raising of a Down's infant (even if it's his grandchild) with his day job? He's going to quit his job at BP so that he can be a stay in the White House dad? Really?? You think the Journalism major married a guy that wants his wife to earn all the money and NOT raise their children??? CONSERVATIVE VALUES WILL NOT ALLOW A WOMAN TO GIVE UP WHAT THEY CONSIDER HER MOST IMPORTANT G-D GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY. So, explain to me how this is going to work.
Chuck @ 17:
That's hilarious! Also a little disturbing. I've never found myself laughing and vomiting at the same time.
I love how Bill defends McCain's choice of her as something that "transcends issues and details" (presumably because she has none), on the grounds that she's "authentic."
I can only hope that once again the Republican party will blindly follow whatever William "Wrong Way" Kristol and The Weekly Standard says, only this time in a way that will only screw the Republican Party, and not the whole world.
"Would it be wrong to pray for........." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiR2jHmC0Rk
Antlers in the Treetops, by Hoogoos Damoose.
Anyway.
Attack her record and she'll cave without even having to attack her on any gender-based line.
I think it was one of the posters at Hullabaloo who opined that this could be Eagleton-scale nasty for the GOP (yay!).
And by the way ...
I've been a supervisor in law enforcement since 1991 - by McCain's criteria I'm overqualified to be Vice President.
did anyone else notice that during turtle mcbush and the pta president's appearance in pennsylvania saturday, the pta president's "speech" was word for word the same damn script she spewed in ohio? only the mention of hillary clinton didn't go over too well.
and then there's this youtube gem that highlights rovian hypocrisy at its best. apparently tim kaine would have been a horrible choice for obama, but miss "what does a VP do all day" is? holy robot christ!!!
ok lets try it again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNu1uRcs87I
Gustav - Category 5
Heaven help the Gulf!
More "war on drugs" collateral damage--over 100,000 protest narco-terrorist killings, police complicity in deaths, disappearing of hundreds of citizens:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080831/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_crime_march
Looks like it's time to return to buying drugs grown/made in the good ol' US of A??
"Executive Experience"
The current Rovian talking point is that Palin has more "executive experience" than both Obama and Biden. Doesn't that also apply to McCain? So does that mean she should be the top of the ticket and McCain VP?
Palin / McCain '08!!!!!! You go girl!!!
murax @ 81:
Probably due to her experience governing so many square miles of territory.
Rethug math, pure and simple.
Tequila @ 57:
I wish I could scale back on my private jet.
The Sunday Patriot-News on page A5 runs this story, "Ethics probe might tarnish Palin's reformer image." Evidently, Palin is accused of pressuring and firing the state police chief who refused to dismiss her sister's former husband while her younger sister was involved in "a bitter divorce and child custody dispute with Wooten." "The state probe is also focusing on a half-dozen top state officials accused of trying to drive trooper Mike Wooten from the force. A bipartisian state legislature hired a retired prosecutor to investigate. His report is due in October. In Alaska, critics dub the investigation Troopergate.
its going to be interesting to see how the repigs handle the protesters, will they do what our party of change do ? place them behind concrete barriers five miles from the convention center with not even porta pottys to take a dump in or will they herd them into a freshly dug pit incase they have to hose them down with m14s when they use thier freedom of speach , we live in strange times folks , biden richardson open thier rallys with promisses of more war in afganistan and are cheered for it! when was the time to show all these aholes that its time to get our asses back to the usa and return us to democracy? as long as we have nothing but warmongers to vote for we can never get rid of the patriot act fisa the loss of habius corpus ect ect, its not to late if you want obama fine! but next time he and his buds mention going on to the real war on terriorism scream out no more war , maby he,ll get the message as long as hes cheered for sounding the war cry hes going to believe that your for it, in any event hes not going to be able to go after the bush gang for thier war crimes as long as hes commited to starting his own if he wins the whitehouse, afganistans just a graveyard for lost causes!
Ruthless People @ 13:
Couldn't be said better!
I am terrified today.
I talked to a friend in the military, who has been very busy lately. He works in military intel, and has been pulling 16 hour days because of the Russian advances into Georgia. Let's just say this - if a commander took a shit in a town outside of Georgia, he knew about it.
Recently, as in between their "stand down" last week and the VP pick of McCain, there was a big debriefing for their unit. It was about what would happen WHEN John McCain got the presidential nod. Not if. WHEN. He said it was very odd, and gave him a very bad feeling. Then they dropped the bombshell on him. There are invasion plans for Russia. Not "if" plans, "when" plans. As if this is going to pass in May 2009 without question.
I really don't feel very positive about the outcome of this election or what McCain's already planning to do...
I just don't get how Palin is being spun as a Maverick pick. It seems to me that she only gained the term "maverick" and "reformer" after she took out the former governor whom she had a personal grudge against after he passed over her for an open Senate seat. As far as I can tell Ted Stevens loves her, he loves this pick - and all the pundits were spinning to say that she has taken on Ted Stevens, I have yet to see one concrete example of that.
With this showing McCain's "Maverick" appeal, the Republican base LOVES her. Tell me what is so Mavericky about appealing to your base? Remarkable how the 4th estate has spun this pick already.
lj @ 86:
Bingo, ditto, touche.
She's a killer, pure and simple.
After McBush's choice of VP and the bs he has been spewing in the past couple of days it is time to label the GOP ticket just what they are. Christofascist theocrats. I don't really think McBush is that far to the right or that pious but he surely has gotten into bed with a full on whackadoo with Palin.
Here are my reasons John McCain should have chosen Michael Palin:
damnthatojeda.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/mccain-chose-the-wrong-palin/
come on guys do you really think the repigs are going to hold an election with two dipsticks like mccain and palin? either they have a fixed election and you riot or they forget about the election produce another 911 and install martial law when you riot! its a win win !
BigIslandDave @ 92:
Palin is made of Epic Fail. The rumors about her youngest not being hers? Maybe they're true, maybe they're not, but it actually looks better for her if they are true - if the baby really isn't hers.
If we're to believe the official story, then it means she recklessly endangered the life of her unborn child by flying from Texas to Alaska after her water broke, rather than heading to a Dallas hospital like any sane person would have done. Even after arriving in Alaska, she didn't go directly to Alaska Regional Hospital in Anchorage - 6 miles away. She instead opted to ride in a car for another hour. If this wasn't reckless endangerment then it was attempted homicide - from the anti-choice perspective, that is.
Open threads are so appreciated...allowing one to speak on any topic. I gotta wrap all my pennies to add to my donation to this site.
I was thinking about the GOP's position on right to life. If they believe life begins at conception(per McSame's thinking), then a full term baby is already 9 months old at birth and the birthday would be calculated from that rather the actual day the baby breathes its first breath. Hmmmmmmm....tell me your thoughts on this.
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