R.I.P. Paul Newman, Who Scored the Debate Before His ‘Exodus’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3543

AN OPEN LETTER TO VICE PRESIDENT RICHARD BRUCE CHENEY, HOMELAND "SECURITY" DIRECTOR MICHAEL CHERTOFF & THAT STOOGE WITH THE KENNY ROGERS BEARD

have you ever heard the one about the little guy in the wheelchair who dodged a fascist coup d'etat, fought a world war against fascism in two major theaters, got a country out of a great depression, and came back IN THE FORM OF A GHOST and saved america from fascism one more time?

Amazing actor/artist, devoted husband and father, grassroots philanthropist, motor sports icon.

Simply put...one of the last of the real men.

Here is an interesting link to pork barrel spending, how much in each year, and to what party member's constituency the money is going to. Some of it is beyond shocking.
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2007

I loved watching Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward fall in love in "The Long Hot Summer".

In 1984 I wrote Paul Newman a letter and begged him to run for POTUS. I received a letter from his publicist sending his thanks for the letter and telling me how honored he was that I would ask him to run. He gracefully declined.

He's still the hottest.

I've been watching things from this side of the border with great interest. Everyone is talking about the great bailout and how it will help everyone. There was an article published online today stating that the Chinese Goverment Central Bank has told banks in China they are NOT allowed to buy any debt instruments from certain goverments(can we say US t bills)
If the american treasury has to crank up the printing presses will inflation not result?
Anyway you guys slice the problem, the solution is going to be painful

RIP Miss you already.

MsJoanne @ 3:

Did you catch John Nail's 8 year old son's thoughts on the debate last night?

"Why is McCain so mad?"

"Why is he so old like Grammy?

"Daddy, when McCain smiles like that (i.e., the smirk) I think he is really mad at Obama".

"I don't like it when he acts like that."

"Why isn't he looking at Obama? Barack looks at him. I think he is trying to be mean."

"Obama looks better."

"When McCain talks it bores me and when Obama talks it excites me."

Note An eight-year-old child of political-junkie parents is much closer to the mindset of an undecided voter than you, dear reader, or I.

thanks 4 that!
:<[)

5 Orangutan. Says:

A terrifying Obama web ad on Youtube. It’s scary because you know this might come true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzuIHjQYW2c

So Angry | McCain’s unwillingness to make eye contact with Obama through the debate seems to be getting picked up by a lot of observers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9BTcERiYY
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re: A terrifying Obama web ad on Youtube
Be A Poll Worker and Save American Democracy

re: So Angry
In particular, at the very end, when Obama stepped toward McCain and held out his hand, McCain shook his hand but pointedly looked away.

7 JimboSlice Says: Is there a reason it keeps yelling at me “No New Comments!”
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Because you "refreshed comments" but there have been "No New Comments" since the last time you refreshed?

11 Mike the Canuck Says: I’ve been watching things from this side of the border with great interest. Everyone is talking about the great bailout and how it will help everyone. There was an article published online today stating that the Chinese Goverment Central Bank has told banks in China they are NOT allowed to buy any debt instruments from certain goverments(can we say US t bills)
If the american treasury has to crank up the printing presses will inflation not result?
Anyway you guys slice the problem, the solution is going to be painful
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It was ALREADY painful BEFORE there was this "financial crisis bailout problem."

All their dire warnings about the awful things that COULD happen if we don't give them the $700,000,000,000 - unemployment, inflation, foreclosures, infrastructure collapse - DUH !!!

The problems on Main Street (created to profit Wall Street) had metasticized to the point that Wall Street was beginning to feel it too.

They don't seem to understand this interconnectedness thing about human society.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 18:

SNL went totally off on the 'body politic' tonight.
the couric-plain standoff and the debate took aweful hits.

ROTFLMBBAO!!!

FOLLOWUP: Clinton spoof on weekend update. phunnie!!

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 16:

MsJoanne @ 3:

Did you catch John Nail's 8 year old son's thoughts on the debate last night?

"Why is McCain so mad?"

"Why is he so old like Grammy?

"Daddy, when McCain smiles like that (i.e., the smirk) I think he is really mad at Obama".

"I don't like it when he acts like that."

"Why isn't he looking at Obama? Barack looks at him. I think he is trying to be mean."

"Obama looks better."

"When McCain talks it bores me and when Obama talks it excites me."

Note An eight-year-old child of political-junkie parents is much closer to the mindset of an undecided voter than you, dear reader, or I.

thanks 4 that!
:<[)

Anything for you, doll!

MsJoanne @ 26:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 16:

MsJoanne @ 3:

Did you catch John Nail's 8 year old son's thoughts on the debate last night?

Note An eight-year-old child of political-junkie parents is much closer to the mindset of an undecided voter than you, dear reader, or I.

thanks 4 that!
:<[)

Anything for you, doll!

Unhhh? Cheating on me again. Sigh!

MsJoanne @ 29:

Ron @ 28:

MsJoanne @ 26:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 16:

Anything for you, doll!

Unhhh? Cheating on me again. Sigh!

Free agent, babes...sorry.　:-D

Damn, where are those other girls. Two or more can play that game.

Ron,　I am sure there are lots of us out here, but it does seem like a slow night here.

Too many people must have a life. I wish I was one of them. ;)

bart @ 25:

got to see harry and son filming. was the only star I ever saw. and I'm a holly wood optometrist, but seriously.......................

are you really an optometrist?

do you ever ask your patients,

"what part of QETDFYJT&K$JS&E%$GT#DETBDSFGNY don't you understand?!!"

Obama ads - Please share

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZljbQdq7RXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXLqcaibZ48

well, well, well.... CNN is broadcasting the crooks just reached a "genuine compromise." Given the democratic party's definition for "compromise," it's official: we're fucked!

http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=9068198&nav=0RY5

This La representative wants to sterilize poor people.

23 JimboSlice Says:
.. I keep trying to post a link to a Times (UK) article detailing how the McCain campaign is “praying” for a Bristol Palin Shotgun wedding between now and election day, and how I think that will be the stunt next week to get her out of the debate.
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This article?

Times UK: McCain camp prays for Palin wedding

The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate’s pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaign

In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one — the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fiancé before the November 4 election.

Inside John McCain’s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”

There is already some urgency to the wedding as Bristol, who is six months pregnant, may not want to walk down the aisle too close to her date of delivery. She turns 18 on October 18, a respectable age for a bride ..

WOW!

Thanks!

cw @ 38:

well, well, well.... CNN is broadcasting the crooks just reached a "genuine compromise." Given the democratic party's definition for "compromise," it's official: we're fucked!

Exactly. A definite win for the international banksters.

Dems Drop Mortgage Help for Homeowners from Banker Bailout

This is some fun song & dance. Enjoy!!!!

Orangutan. @ 31:

JimboSlice @ 23:

MountainMan23 @ 19:

7 JimboSlice Says: Is there a reason it keeps yelling at me “No New Comments!”
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Because you "refreshed comments" but there have been "No New Comments" since the last time you refreshed?

No, I keep trying to post a link to a Times (UK) article detailing how the McCain campaign is "praying" for a Bristol Palin Shotgun wedding between now and election day, and how I think that will be the stunt next week to get her out of the debate.

That seems a little far fetched. A shot gun wedding on the day of the V.P. Debate. But I think the story the National Inquirer broke about the old beauty queen might have something to it. Brad Hanson could reveal the reason for the whole witchcraft cleansing routine with the church elders. We'll see.

Do you know what is frustrating about this? If you look up the history concerning any other debate, you'd find no other candidate, left or right, subverting the process in this fashion.

It's already known that the RNC has a sort of revisionist history going on which fits around their "narrative" of American history. But, isn't this even disturbing to the GOP flag-wavers and patriots that their candidate is screwing with the tradition and the austerity which belongs to the election season? Aren't these people supposed to be "loyal" to their country? Don't they care?

On another note, these machinations show that McCain has a blatant lack of respect for Obama. I don't think he would have pulled this crap with any other opponent except for that time he cancelled a debate with Bush.

I can always be enlightened about other historical elections in which such a ruckus has been made. :)

MsJoanne @ 37:

bullfrog @ 34:

bart @ 25:

got to see harry and son filming. was the only star I ever saw. and I'm a holly wood optometrist, but seriously.......................

are you really an optometrist?

do you ever ask your patients,

"what part of QETDFYJT&K$JS&E%$GT#DETBDSFGNY don't you understand?!!"

Now that's funny!!

I thought you were on your way to Germany.

MountainMan23 @ 42:

23 JimboSlice Says:
.. I keep trying to post a link to a Times (UK) article detailing how the McCain campaign is “praying” for a Bristol Palin Shotgun wedding between now and election day, and how I think that will be the stunt next week to get her out of the debate.
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This article?

Times UK: McCain camp prays for Palin wedding

The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate’s pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaign

In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one — the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fiancé before the November 4 election.

Inside John McCain’s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”

There is already some urgency to the wedding as Bristol, who is six months pregnant, may not want to walk down the aisle too close to her date of delivery. She turns 18 on October 18, a respectable age for a bride ..

WOW!

Thanks!

FREE LEVI!

You know, we've all recently seen how the evil henchmen of the Republican Party captured this poor innocent out of his natural habitat and forced him into a shotgun wedding. Because, when the 17-year-old daughter of the VP candidate is out to here, it's just better that Levi was introduced as "the fiancee." Looks a little less white-trashy.

But, that doesn't change the fact that right now Levi is America's number-one political prisoner. But, Levi, you don't have to be. This is the 21st century at least in the blue states. You don't have to do this. You have options. You can pull a - you know, a "Juno." F*ck, you LIVE in Juneau!

Or you could do what most people do with an unwanted child: give it to Angelina Jolie!

And, look, if you're worried about the baby, don't. I mean, let's get real, dude. The way you are, at 18, that baby is better off not being around you. You'll wind up losing it or shooting it or--it'll be on the bottom of your skate or something. Just - just let the Palin womenfolk look after it for a while. One more infant in that Mormon compound they call a house - won't bother anybody. They will barely notice another kid at the table.

And soon they won't even remember whose seed it was that produced young "Trink" or "Truck" or... Puck, or whatever f*cked-up redneck name the give it.

In any event, we here at "Real Time" have taken the liberty of purchasing the website, FreeLevi.org. There it is: "Free Levi." And, it is yours to use if you want to use it to get folks to contribute to some sort of liberty fund so you can get enough money to get out of that frozen meth lab they call a town.

MountainMan23 @ 42:

23 JimboSlice Says:
.. I keep trying to post a link to a Times (UK) article detailing how the McCain campaign is “praying” for a Bristol Palin Shotgun wedding between now and election day, and how I think that will be the stunt next week to get her out of the debate.
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This article?

Times UK: McCain camp prays for Palin wedding

The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate’s pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaign

In an election campaign notable for its surprises, Sarah Palin, the Republican vice- presidential candidate, may be about to spring a new one — the wedding of her pregnant teenage daughter to her ice-hockey-playing fiancé before the November 4 election.

Inside John McCain’s campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. “It would be fantastic,” said a McCain insider. “You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week.”

There is already some urgency to the wedding as Bristol, who is six months pregnant, may not want to walk down the aisle too close to her date of delivery. She turns 18 on October 18, a respectable age for a bride ..

WOW!

Thanks!

And because we have a nation which is not smarter than a fifth grader, it will probably work.

MsJoanne @ 53:

Ron @ 50:

I thought you were on your way to Germany.

I leave for Boston in the AM and then straight off to Germany on Friday.

Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 52:

I have to admit that those two articles are the most funniest and scariest items I've read in a long time. I think that Levi does need to be freed and out of that scary family. Lord help him that he has Sarah Palin as a mother-in-law. I wonder if she's going to make him do the Witch doctor exorcism thing too.

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:

Ron @ 50:

I thought you were on your way to Germany.

I leave for Boston in the AM and then straight off to Germany on Friday.

Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

Why, is there any difference any longer?

MsJoanne @ 57:

scarlet p. @ 55:

Between 1998 and 2002 I operated a charity called "Take to the Hills". It's mission was simple: collect warm clothes from rich people, put them in your car and then go out and find the very coldest, poorest most isolated people you could. Pretty neat idea, eh? Paul thought so too. With his help (via Newman's Own) I was able to clothe damn close to every village in the northwest Sierra Madres, and also bring along basic school and medical supplies.

I hate the fact that he's gone, but man, it's hard to be too sad about a life lived so well...a quote from him:

"I'd like to be remembered as a guy who tried — tried to be part of his times, tried to help people communicate with one another, tried to find some decency in his own life, tried to extend himself as a human being. Someone who isn't complacent, who doesn't cop out."

What a lovely story. Thank you so much for sharing.

I second this. It was certainly beautiful. :)

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Now, I am truly going to shuffle off because I've had a day of interesting talk here at C & L. My eyes are sleepy. And, I've truly talked myself out. :)

GNA!

Sweet dreams, Ceci!

MsJoanne @ 60:

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:

Ron @ 50:

I leave for Boston in the AM and then straight off to Germany on Friday.

Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

Why, is there any difference any longer?

We don't want you to be visiting Egypt unexpectedly.

The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 58:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 52:

I have to admit that those two articles are the most funniest and scariest items I've read in a long time. I think that Levi does need to be freed and out of that scary family. Lord help him that he has Sarah Palin as a mother-in-law. I wonder if she's going to make him do the Witch doctor exorcism thing too.

*laughter*
havagoodnite!

NY TIMES: MCCAIN'S GAMBLING PROBLEM
Over 40 Current Campaign Fundraisers, Top Advisers Tied To Gambling Industry... Senior Aides Worried McCain Gambled Too Much... Casino Lobbyists In McCain's Inner Circle Pushed Abramoff Probe To Pick Off Clients, Settle Scores

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 71:

StirFry @ 65:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 19:

SNL went totally off on the 'body politic' tonight.
the couric-plain standoff and the debate took aweful hits.

ROTFLMBBAO!!!

Catch the couric-plain skit while its up. Make it quick cuz they're taking them down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5uJSCBZlQ

also at huffpo

and
THE FIRST CLINTON-PLAIN SNL OPENER

You're certainly firing on all cylinders this evening CIP. Thanks for the SNL link.

Ron @ 66:

MsJoanne @ 60:

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:
Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

Why, is there any difference any longer?

We don't want you to be visiting Egypt unexpectedly.

I w ould love to go to Egypt. I think that one would be best done with someone else...preferably a man. But I would love to see the pyramids before the lunatics blow it up.

The pundits don't reflect public opinion. China's leader is adapting the capitalist model of making broken promises.

MsJoanne @ 75:

Ron @ 66:

MsJoanne @ 60:

Ron @ 56:

Why, is there any difference any longer?

We don't want you to be visiting Egypt unexpectedly.

I w ould love to go to Egypt. I think that one would be best done with someone else...preferably a man. But I would love to see the pyramids before the lunatics blow it up.

We don't have to go to Egypt to see pyramids. Just climb under the covers with me.

I was at the Gala screening of "The Glass Menagerie" when it opened at the Toronto Film Festival, years ago in 1987. Paul Newman was the director and came on stage with his team to do the introductions. It was at Roy Thompson Hall, a 2800 seat venue, I was sitting high-up in the C balcony. If I were sitting any higher I would have been on the roof. I looked down at Mr. Newman on the stage through my nearsightedness barely able to pick him out of the crowd he brought on stage with him to share in the moment. Then I thought to myself, "Wow, his eyes really are as blue as you see them on the big screen." Incredibly charismatic, incredible blue eyes, like lasers. Ronald Reagan was the President then and the conversation all night long in the concourse was about why this man wasn't in the Whitehouse instead of that other actor. (He would have won over the NASCAR voters if he had ever run, that's for certain). He left the world a better place than he found it, that's what we should all aspire to. He was a great actor, but what more better can be said about a life lived? Thank-you Mr. Newman. Travel well.

Ron @ 79:

MsJoanne @ 75:

Ron @ 66:

MsJoanne @ 60:
We don't want you to be visiting Egypt unexpectedly.

I w ould love to go to Egypt. I think that one would be best done with someone else...preferably a man. But I would love to see the pyramids before the lunatics blow it up.

We don't have to go to Egypt to see pyramids. Just climb under the covers with me.

Oy!

The Senate rewards car companies for building and selling inferior products in other countries...

Intrade: Obama over McCain 57 to 42.

RCP: Obama over McCan 48 to 43

538: Obama over McCain 78 to 21. Electoral votes: 317 to 220.

how do you do trackbacks on C&L, I have not been able to figure it out. Is it disabled like other sites?

MsJoanne @ 90:

Tequila @ 85:

The Senate rewards car companies for building and selling inferior products in other countries...

Pelosi and Reid have got to go.

And not for the automakers, but for funding the fucking war again.

Tequila @ 85:

The Senate rewards car companies for building and selling inferior products in other countries...

LOOK!!!! Over there! bailout!

under the radar the folded the biggest bankruptcy in history and the car money.

fucking millionaire bastards!

MsJoanne @ 90:

Tequila @ 85:

The Senate rewards car companies for building and selling inferior products in other countries...

Pelosi and Reid have got to go.

WWW.CindyForCongress.ORG

Orangutan. @ 94:

MsJoanne @ 91:

MsJoanne @ 90:

Tequila @ 85:

Pelosi and Reid have got to go.

And not for the automakers, but for funding the fucking war again.

And for failing to hold impeachment hearings into the Bush Crimes that Dennis Kucinich so clearly laid out.

That more than anything!!

9/11 beliefs by country: what is the world coming to?
http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?sub...

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 96:

Just remember THIS if you need a boost of confidence.

But we must stay diligent!

The aerial shot of more than 75,000 people in Denver is the most amazing thing to behold.

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:

Ron @ 50:

I thought you were on your way to Germany.

I leave for Boston in the AM and then straight off to Germany on Friday.

Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

who cares? the only folks listening are you, me, G*d, the NSA & some aliens...

bullfrog @ 103:

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:

Ron @ 50:

I leave for Boston in the AM and then straight off to Germany on Friday.

Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

who cares? the only folks listening are you, me, G*d, the NSA & some aliens...

hey! I was born here!

58 The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein Says: CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 52:

I have to admit that those two articles are the most funniest and scariest items I’ve read in a long time. I think that Levi does need to be freed and out of that scary family. Lord help him that he has Sarah Palin as a mother-in-law. I wonder if she’s going to make him do the Witch doctor exorcism thing too.
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I'd be more worried that she might be like "Mrs. Robinson."

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 105:

bullfrog @ 103:

Ron @ 56:

MsJoanne @ 53:
Keep in touch but be careful what you say in any emails.

who cares? the only folks listening are you, me, G*d, the NSA & some aliens...

hey! I was born here!

But are you a little green dude?

Naomi Klein on Al-Jazeera

Video 1

Video 2

*are

bullfrog @ 113:

*are

aren't.

I need a trillion dollars by friday or the World will end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was pulling quotes off of Fox last night and this was my fav:

Im reel glad Mr.Mccain did good, i think he might not of. But Brack Obama did good too. I was going to vote for Mccain, but now im on the fence. Mccain sounds more like Bush, and that could not be good.

Right after the debate, on the Fox blog it was about 65-35 Obama.

Here's a better way to remember Paul Newman. A concerned citizen trying to stop the arms race. Circa 1981.

Paul Newman debates Charlton Heston on nuclear arms limitation-reduction talks.

(Uh....isn't it a sad day for American politics when a couple of ACTORS can have a more informed and significant debate than presidential and vice presidential candidates in 2008?)

Did I lose everyone?

Anyone have any suggestions for what to do in Berlin?

MsJoanne @ 120:

upchuck @ 117:

I need a trillion dollars by friday or the World will end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please share with us poor working slobs, will ya?

what are you, some kinda pinko communist or something? That money ain't for the common man, damnit! It's for the big money players! This is a capitalist system, fool! The golden rule is all about those who have the gold ruling... got it!?

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Napoleon is always right, some animals are more equal than others, four legs good, two legs better....

Once in a century rip-off

Economist Michael Hudson: The bailout is a giveaway that will cause hyperinflation and dollar collapse

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 127:

Once in a century rip-off

Economist Michael Hudson: The bailout is a giveaway that will cause hyperinflation and dollar collapse

I honestly don't know what to think of this bailout deal. Warren Buffet, whom I like and respect, said it HAS to happen otherwise we will seirously be fucked. I suppose it all remains to be seen.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 127:

Once in a century rip-off

Economist Michael Hudson: The bailout is a giveaway that will cause hyperinflation and dollar collapse

American muckety-mucks got a look at the Russian oligarchs and decided they needed to keep up with the Joneskis. And we get the tab.

MsJoanne @ 123:

Did I lose everyone?

Anyone have any suggestions for what to do in Berlin?

check around for the location of the 'berlin wall'. definitely check out a bier hall. eat wursts of various types with sauerkraut and other cabbages. sleep alone, because you'll fart like a harley.

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 133:

MsJoanne @ 123:

Did I lose everyone?

Anyone have any suggestions for what to do in Berlin?

check around for the location of the 'berlin wall'. definitely check out a bier hall. eat wursts of various types with sauerkraut and other cabbages. sleep alone, because you'll fart like a harley.

Yes, the wall is a must see. I don't like beer so probably will skip that...as to farting, *I* have to sleep with me and that doesn't sound overly appealing to me. :D

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 134:

False Dmitriy @ 131:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 127:

Once in a century rip-off

Economist Michael Hudson: The bailout is a giveaway that will cause hyperinflation and dollar collapse

American muckety-mucks got a look at the Russian oligarchs and decided they needed to keep up with the Joneskis. And we get the tab.

worse!!!!!!!!!! They take the opportunity to completely undo the new deal , including medicaid/midicare and social security, a certainty in a mcC*nt presidency.

I don't see how that happens with a dem congress which is a given.

MsJoanne @ 135:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 133:

MsJoanne @ 123:

Did I lose everyone?

Anyone have any suggestions for what to do in Berlin?

check around for the location of the 'berlin wall'. definitely check out a bier hall. eat wursts of various types with sauerkraut and other cabbages. sleep alone, because you'll fart like a harley.

Yes, the wall is a must see. I don't like beer so probably will skip that...as to farting, *I* have to sleep with me and that doesn't sound overly appealing to me. :D

German food is tasty and hearty and without the beer, well, I don't think you want the water so much (?). I don''t drink at all, so ask for alternatives, Germans are very strong on their own culture, but not condescending like the french. many speak english well (the learn at least one foreign language in early school years). Enjoy.

MsJoanne @ 137:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 134:

False Dmitriy @ 131:

CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 127:

American muckety-mucks got a look at the Russian oligarchs and decided they needed to keep up with the Joneskis. And we get the tab.

worse!!!!!!!!!! They take the opportunity to completely undo the new deal , including medicaid/midicare and social security, a certainty in a mcC*nt presidency.

I don't see how that happens with a dem congress which is a given.

have you seen reid and pelosi this week?

MsJoanne @ 128:

Pericles @ 121:

Here's a better way to remember Paul Newman. A concerned citizen trying to stop the arms race. Circa 1981.

Paul Newman debates Charlton Heston on nuclear arms limitation-reduction talks.

(Uh....isn't it a sad day for American politics when a couple of ACTORS can have a more informed and significant debate than presidential and vice presidential candidates in 2008?)

Nukes, guns, fight, war. Charlton Heston in a nutshell.

Finding that old YouTube movie of this debate sure was a blast from the past. In retrospect, it's hard to believe that there was a time when our politicians were claiming that 30 000 nuclear warheads was NOT ENOUGH to keep us "safe," and URGENTLY needed to spend billions to build MORE. (Rinse, repeat for the "drug wars." Rinse, repeat for the "terrorism wars." Rinse, repeat for the Wall Street bail out "economic wars.") Of course, now the hawks have re-written history to say that Reagan turned up the volume on the arms race deliberately to bankrupt the Soviet Union, and thus get rid of it. Never mentioning, of course, that it was the Soviets themselves who elected Gorbachev, who dismantled the Soviet Union from within. And, as Linus Pauling used to say "the attempt to bankrupt the Soviet Union with an arms race appears to be a pretty good way of bankrupting OURSELVES, as well."

But, watching that debate, something suddenly occurred to me that didn't occur to me at the time. It was funny how the right was always in favor of building MORE nukes, and the left was in favor of building less. But the right always successfully managed to pull off the bullshit argument that it was the people who wanted to build FEWER nukes who were the cowards. ie-The people who were in favor of nuclear arms limitation were advocating that position out of fear, and if you advocated the other position, of building more nukes, you were brave. The desire to accumulate MORE weapons is AT LEAST as strongly driven by FEAR as the desire to limit weapons! That seems OBVIOUS to us now, but I just can't believe that the right managed to pull of that obvious lie so well back then, without it being challenged. Thank goodness we've matured a LITTLE bit since then, and have finally put the spotlight on the politics of fear. Once you show an audience how a magician's trick works, they are no longer fooled by it.

Police Brutality set to Music...

Drag 'Em Off the Interstate, Officer Jackboot Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYrjaHA1FhM

GNA!

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I don't see how that happens with a dem congress which is a given.

have you seen reid and pelosi this week?

Of course, like I have for two years now. But there is no way dems would give that away. As stupid as this might turn out to be, I would bet my life on it.

Overall, as a democrat I felt that we were in the right and the republicans were corrupted capitalists. With this bailout I find it very hard to discern a difference in these two parties. Oversight is great, sure. But giving one penny to a corporation for successfully failing (an oxymoron which should be introduced into today's lexicon) is fascism - beyond socialism. This situation is so fucked up that 80-90% of the people say no bailout and both parties "agree" on a bailout like it is some bipartisan political game.