October 26, 2011 07:30 PM
Open Thread
“My part of Oakland is full of poor people. There’s at least one murder a week. Old creeps pimp out teenaged girls in broad daylight. You can buy crack or heroin 30 feet from my door, and two of my neighbors have been held up at gun point this summer. And the City of Oakland says they don’t have the police to stop any of that. But a bunch of people protesting the fact that rich people got a bail out and everyone else got nothing? The city shuts them down tight. Bang. Done. Riot act. Do you ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated? I do. Every day.”
-- el_gallo, found here.
Open thread below....
The USA "PATRIOT" Act (commonly known as the "Patriot Act") is an Act of the U.S. Congress that was signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
just yesterday...Time flies when they take away your alarm clock 'cause it might be used as a bomb component...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
If we are going to take away privacy, it seems like it would be in the best interest of the taxpayers if the first people to lose it be the people/companies who get large amounts of our money... such as banks and military contractors.
Before the government could be allowed to track my phone calls, I want publicly available videos of everyone in Goldman Sachs 24/7, and everyone they do business with.
Transparency and accountability will help
Sign the "We The People - Your Voice In Government" petition:
Repeal the Patriot Act
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Leave it to Republicans to DISTORT Reality, sometimes I ask myslef: maybe it's mental illness.
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
on his show today and she was talking about how that organization is beginning to ramp up efforts to repeal much of the "Act".
That was another miraculous coincidence around 9/11. We have our 'New Pearl Harbor' and lickety-split a magical 800 page piece of legislation appears all wrapped up with a bow ready to be passed and enacted in no time.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Repeal the Patriot Act ... you mean repeal as much as the watered-down Dodd-Frank.
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
Hell, even on 'Thug favorite projects, such as re-banning federal dollars from going to abortions-- these turds couldn't move so quickly.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Lobbing exploding canisters into a group of people coming to the aid of an injured citizen lying on the street is an appalling act. Such actions serve and protect nobody, and will end up getting people killed.
"Demand that Mayor Jean Quan stop the police repression of Occupy Oakland."
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Veterans For Peace Statement on Occupy Oakland Incident
Official VFP Statement Regarding Occupy Incident in Oakland
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
All over the country, police departments do this. They have screamed for years that they don't have enough money to do their jobs and that's why we lack proper police work. Then we see this shit. Why? They know it's a safe deal. Why, going to investigate a MURDER or ROBBERY might be dangerous! Harassing peaceful protesters is safe. The feds who harass marijuana growers and medical MJ shops are the same way. CA voted MM in -- why is the federal govt. wasting millions of dollars to shut everything down? It's safe, that's why. COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So the next time you hear the feds whining that they have no money, or lay off workers, tell them BS!
...one of the reasons why you're upset is because you've been brainwashed into believing that the police in a society are responsible for enforcing the law. That's what they should be doing, yes -- but that's actually not what they're really doing most of the time. What they're doing most of the time is enforcing the wishes of the dominant group within the culture, whatever it happens to be -- and in this culture, the "dominant group" means the wealthy. This is the reason why a poor thief in this country is treated far more harshly than a rich thief even though the rich thief is just as much of a criminal as the poor one, may have stolen far more money, and most likely did so purely out of greed rather than need. It's not the theft itself which causes the poor man's crime to be treated more harshly...it's the fact that he had the audacity and the gall to steal from his betters! The idea that justice is blind in this country is a joke...because the truth is that if you have enough money in this country, you can do just about anything you want to and probably get away with it (or at least not worry about suffering too much) as long as your victims are not people from your own class.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
Demand Equal Justice Under Law now!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Damn, I could use one of these...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
P.S. Let's make one more thing clear: Just because not everybody can leave children and responsibilities it does not mean you are not part of the movement by supporting the protesters - that means if you support the protesters, you are one of them.
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
"the Constitution" or "First Amendment" or "petition the Government for a redress of grievances" mayor Jean Quan DON'T understand ??!
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
would you trust a guy with this face??
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Oakland, CA #1: http://youtu.be/bytMNoKNeRA
Oakland, CA #2: http://youtu.be/MwGAMt7GvdE
Abby Martin Reporting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgn4IXHyVdI
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/police...
Support Alternative Media: http://www.mediaroots.org/
Contact Oakland Mayor Jean Quan here: http://www.oaklandnet.com/contactmayor.asp
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
under new draconian FL voter by helping her students pre-register to vote.
Unfucking believable!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"Democrats-- where the Hell are you?"
Great clip.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
No kidding. Thank dog for Alan Grayson. Where the hell is Pelosi. Where the hell is Reid? Where the hell is anybody else? I don't even know the names of the Democrats FFS, but i know the names of a ton of republicans!
What's going on Democrats? Hello? Hello!? Every day - Get out there every day, and let these republican knucklehead weasels have it! Speak up or step down!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Just wondering.
By the way, having not heard anything from or about Franken for so long I'm wondering if the senate is where progressives go to die. And if that's why Elizabeth Warren is being so highly touted.
I sure hopes she keeps her voice.
Yes. The President is doing everything he can to keep the pressure on. He's on TV all the time, and he's going around the country, taking it to the people.
And, ya, WTF happened to Franken? I would have expected to see him down at OWS!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
haven't heard anything. One things for sure, the democrats better back this movement in some substantial manner.
Or maybe they think they don't have to because the republicans will all come off as jackbooted thugs.
that can't LET GO the FACT that they LOST the Civil War. Not to mention the THREATs that they will
... or the FACT that they show up on rallies with bigger and bigger caliber firearms.
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
VIDEO: Police Lied About Using Flash-Bang Grenades
The police in Oakland are lying about the weapons they used, the frequency they used them, and who they hit with them, and more...
More Potential Police State Weaponry in their post 9/11 1984 Arsenal:
LRAD Machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSMyY3_dmrM
Micro Ray Gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPM52wi9jIM
Today is the 10th anniversary of the signing of the un-"Patriot" act. That was pre-written and signed into law after the Anthrax attacks in the weeks after 9/11. Both of those crimes have gone unsolved. The anthrax was initially blamed on Muslims, then Steven Hatfill, then Bruce Ivins who died before ever going to trial. The FBI said they had no proof of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 and dumped his body at sea before he could ever be brought to trial. With all this police state funding and equipment we are failing to uphold our Constitution or the Rule of Law. It is truly like the novel 1984 by George Orwell. We all have to decide how we will act.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
Address for Hospital where Marine Vet Scott Olson, shot by the Oakland Police last night, is recovering.
Highland Hospital
1411 E. 31st Street
Oakland, CA 94602
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Thanks for the info. It would seem that the Oakland PD brass are either lying or they are in violation of their own policy
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-oakland-po...
I've probably wasted too much of my life watching L&O, and CSI type (police friendly) shows. It is a recurring theme in these shows that the cops are always being hung out for the least insubordination, and demanded of to tow the line from up top. ... and that they feel too understaffed to be wasting time with internal investigations that can be covered up or denied if they all cooperate with each other.
Is this reality? I'm thinking it is a caricature... but I tells me some things about how to see the actions of the Oakland PD.
Transparency and accountability will help
...we give them guns and the power to destroy or even end people's lives based solely on their own word. I was a victim of false arrest, the cops lied in every possible way on the arrest report - how do I defend against that? In my case, they were just fucking with me and dropped the charges after 6 months. But we give them that thing.
We give them POWER. The power to kill. The power to do pretty much anything they want, as long as they're careful about how they stage dress it.
There an old saying, and it doesn't go "power ennobles."
http://www.jafafahots.com
Good link.
To think that this was caused by the 'police' because they felt the conditions at Occupy Oakland were somehow 'unsafe', and they end up maming and almost killing people over it.
They better stop these 'police riots' before someone gets killed. By 'they' i mean the mayors and those that order them in the first place.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I can at least afford a card.
at the Heritage Foundation ....that Obama is stoking 'class war' by Fear, Envy and Resentment of the rich folk.
A) I hate the use of the terms "class War" and how what we need to do is "fight" all the time to restore our rights and financial well being. It always seems to me that we are just succumbing to the modern psychology of everything as 'warfare'. Warfare is what we want to stop! But, the elites and the political class continually use this vocabulary and imagery so we, as citizens, end up fighting each other - instead of the injustice.
B) Which is the second point....I do not envy or feel resentful of anyone who has become wealthy through ingenuity, innovation, and plain old hard work. I have aspired to do better myself, and make progress in my career and financial position. That is what we call the American Dream .....to use the freedoms and rights we have in this land to improve the lot of our families and communities; that's why the immigrants keep coming!!
What I do resent, even hate, is that the corpora-fascists and banksters with the help of the politicians have circumvented the system and totally ignored the Rule of Law. They have lied, cheated, rigged the legal and financial systems, and totally perverted the basic principles of America.....not just that they have more money.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
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"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
funds:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-26/arge...
U.S. government considers testing anthrax vaccine on children??:
http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/26/u-s-governm...
Were NATO troops witnesses to Gaddafi's assassination??:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM23k_LXWlc&fe...
Excellent interview with Glenn Greenwald on his new book, "With Liberty And Justice For Some":
http://www.wbur.org/media-player?url=http://o...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
with the article about testing anthrax vaccine on children?? (which is a ridiculous idea)
There's a link to another story, and the headline reads something about > just released report, that the Swine Flu vaccine has actually been found to have caused nervous system disorders..!!!
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
which is a notoriously inaccurate and sensationalistic site.
alex jones loves 'natural news'.......so they gotta be 'right',non?
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
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after his capture. On whose orders?
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
What the fuck.
Does anyone think cops are trained from birth to handle situations like this? Oakland is a fucking war zone, and has been for years.
Import cops from every other city in the Bay Area , stupidly provoke their ass, and shit will inevitably get out of hand.
Yet, apparently, the cops decided that needed to open up a brand new front.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
the OWS hippies kept hitting the batons of the police with their heads, the cops are the real victims here.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
It's pretty clear the cops did the provoking.
that the local governments are sending the police in to break up & attack peaceful protests.
Not bad enough that the rights of the people to disagree with their government & do so peacefully are being ignored.
Not bad enough that the police, as individuals, either don't get that the protests include them in the oppressed...or just don't care.
Not bad enough that the police go in anyway, to enforce power, but that they do so in the cover of night...and with weapons. Weapons which can cause physical pain & damage to their fellow citizens.
Not bad enough, using weapons against crowds of people who are causing no threat to anyone...but to throw weapons into a crowd of people trying to help an injured person...lines have been crossed. Lines that no one who loved their country would ever think to cross. Yes, it's happened before...are lessons never learned?
America is in big trouble.
Scary times.
Michael Moore on Piers Morgan:
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2_0G8CKDY
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5LE0pAjH4U&fe...
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0orkDKm07Ro&fe...
part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjQPASlN-08&fe...
part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKX3EvUCzWc&fe...
Some good comments. Goes by quickly without any ads.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I'm stuck in a strange land with limited TV access, and had never before seen Piers Morgan... so the one time I see it, he's talking to Michael Moore, and giving some media attention to Occupy Oakland. What Luck!
Transparency and accountability will help
Hypocrisy of the Arizona Republic
Election 2012: Be Educated! Be Active! Vote!
www.phoenixjustice.com
"They are miffed that
theretheir endorsed golden boy...""Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"..the OWS hippies kept hitting the batons of the police with their heads..".
"Hippies" Who are you referring to? Shit, Time magazine stuck that name on people nearly 50 years ago. 50 years! Grow up.
You sound like Ronald Reagan's parrot.
What's happening today, right now, bears scant resemblance to 1968.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Don't Diss The Drum Circles: Why Hippie Culture Is Still Important to Our Protests
http://www.alternet.org/vision/152863/don%27t...
Obama's Re-Fi Plan: The Perfection Of Debt-Serfdom
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-obam...
I think President Obama should be made aware of the problems in this re-mortgaging plan, if he isn't already, with a memo to his office. I don't think letting the fraudsters off the hook will get us out of the woods. Not this time.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... when in FACT it's the President that SHOULD sue Donald Trump for Slander and Defamation for his Birther SHINANIGANS.
Get your lemonade, watch the traitors hang.
Congress' TREASON have no boundaries, so does M$M's brainwashing/sidetracking.
Republicans for Voldemort.
He OWNED Donald Trump in his "Rewrite" segment, daring him to sue. And he did it with such conviction, it was so great I laughed at loud at the very thought of Trump challenging Lawrence.
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
republican pig - Rep. Gibson Celebrates Solar Energy Initiative, Doesn’t Acknowledge Funds From Obama Programs
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Over a thousand people in Occupy Oakland are marching down the same street where they were attacked the night before. Apparently they were going to try to take BART to San Francisco to join the occupiers there but were not allowed access, possiblly due to their large numbers. Then they were possibly going to try to walk across the Bay Bridge but were also stopped from dong that. And, in S.F. there are police assembling on Potrero Hill to possibly raid the S.F. Occupiers. It's annoying getting the news from this network as they seem to be just waiting for violence to errupt like they're trained to report about riots as opposed to peaceul assemblies by nonviolent people. What's good, though, is that they are interviewing the occupiers in S.F. who are patiently and intelligently explaining to them what their purpose is. I most certainly hope that the S.F. cops are not going to raid the S.F. occupiers but a helicopter camera showed a massive number of cop cars and wagons on Potrero Hill. PLEASE DO NOT ATTACK THE S.F. OCCUPIERS!! Haven't the police learned anything?
The Oakland Fox affiliate KTVU is continuing with live coverage. They have gone over their usual hour long news program. The Oakland marchers are trying to get on BART to go to San Francisco but the police are closing the BART stations. Everyone is peaceful, including the cops. In S.F. the cops gathering on Potrero Hill are refusing to state what their plans are.
Cops don't take kindly to rocks and bottles being thrown at them but they definitely over reacted , the bad apples took advantage of the situation .
that the rocks and bottles came first.
I'm going to preempt my own post that will publish in the morning.
There was one witness on Lawrence O'Donnell that indicated there were some bottles thrown before the police attacked with exploding canisters and rubber bullets. She said they have found some of the rubber bullets - something the police denied using.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
The denial of use of rubber bullets when protesters are in possession of them should cast doubt on their assertion that they were attacked first.
It was 4:30 in the morning. Most people were sleeping.
some of them friends, the police flat-out told demonstrators that "chemical agents" would be deployed in 5 minutes if they didn't leave.
The protesters were milling around, some just sitting and relaxing, when much less than five minutes later the police opened fire.
The OPD has lied about everything, and they later admitted to some of the lies, but they keep up with others and add new ones.
The OPD has had the reputation as the most reactionary and violent police department in the country for decades. People in Oakland are totally used to this, it's routine. We get to see handcuffed prostrate non-moving people shot in the back point blank by cops - MURDER, and see the cops go after any witnesses to confiscate cell phones and cameras to try to cover it up, and we get to see the murderers go free.
Interesting note - before she became mayor and was an assembly member, Mayor Jean Quan joined with protesters outraged at this murder, was on the news - and the Oakland Police Chief threatened to have her arrested.
Do not believe a word the OPD says. Ever.
http://www.jafafahots.com
Ya, did they ever over react! Lobbing explosive canisters into a cluster of people that run to the aid of an injured citizen lying in the street is an appalling act. That should cost them their badges.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
to look at are the powers behind the police.
I'm certainly not excusing the police behaviour here...there s/b those in charge, on the scene, who need to control the officers' actions. They are responsible for controlling the situation & making judgements as to the appropriate actions by the officers. Apparently, there are too many who either can't make reasonable decisions or who are perhaps too power-hungry (or just *ssh*les) and who get off on 'showing others who is boss'.
I would guess that many of the officers question what they're doing & maybe feel badly about it, but don't want to lose their jobs & so follow orders & then get caught up in the melee that is allowed to happen.
The real problem is with the powers that order their police forces to disrupt & harm the protesters.
There are cities where the protesters are allowed to continue their stand, without the police intervening.
People supporting the movement need to focus their anger on those mayors who use their police forces as thugs & goons.
Yes, everywhere this happens the mayors and higher ups need to be held to account. for sure. It's the only way to prevent an escalation of our police forces' rioting on these peaceful assemblies.
Let's make it clear - the police are rioting, not the protesters.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
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Fourteen Dem lawmakers ask Obama to delay pipeline decision. Obama asks college students to support him. Change we can make up to win re-election. Student loan group argues that Obama's reforms are too narrow.
I think...
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- European Union leaders announced an agreement early Thursday on debt crisis measures, including a hard-fought deal with private sector investors to take a 50% loss on Greek bonds.
The agreement came at the end of marathon talks to finalize the details of a comprehensive policy response to the government debt and banking problems threatening the stability of the euro currency and global economy.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/26/news/internat...
Bwwwaaahhhh!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
How do you think they got the hardware and the training they're using? From the Feds. Why? To 'fight drugs', or more correctly, to fight drug cartels.
But who are they using the hardware on, now? Sure isn't the drug cartels. That's because it never really was meant for that.
The Uber Rich saw these days coming long ago, waaaaay back in the 1970's with their Club of Rome making dire predictions. They knew that sooner or later Capitalism would wind up eating its' own, with social breakdown ensuing. So they made their plans accordingly. And they hid it behind the rubric of the phoney Nixonian War on Drugs to make it palatable to the 99% who had to foot the bill for their own eventual repression.
So, here we are. Being savaged with War on Drug- justified, civil rights and life-destroying hardware being deployed against average citizens who foolishly believed that government would oh-no-never use it on them, only use it on the 'bad people', the 'druggies'.
Never give power to government that you are not willing to take back by force, for as Frederick Douglass said long ago:
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. (Emphasis mine - M.)
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/27/...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
morning in regards to the Brian Stowe beating and how the Dodgers defence was maping a strategy on how much Brian Stowe was responsible for his own beating.
Amazingly (but not surprisingly for anyone who's been to Dodgers Stadium) a good number of posters say Stowe deserved it for "talking smack" or some such bullshit.
Sure, everyone's a witness. Besides, there's no excuse for this type of assault.
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