Get ready for the right's post-election delegitimization drive
By David Neiwert Monday Nov 03, 2008 12:00pmAfter Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, it was common for right-wingers to argue that he wasn't elected "legitimately" because he'd won with less than 50 percent of the vote, thanks to Ross Perot.
Of course, you didn't hear that much after 2000, when the future Worst President in History effectively stole the White House without even winning the popular vote.
Now that they're on the verge of getting an ass-kicking of historic proportions, they're warming up that familiar refrain.
The Instaputz cleared his throat today with a numbingly dumb NY Post piece titled "Stealing an Election? Obama's Dubious Allies". John Fund also held forth in Politico at length about how, yes, those falsified voter-registration form can in fact turn into real votes.
Well, yes, it is possible for fake registrations to be used for actual votes -- but to do so takes a large number of hoops to jump through on an individual basis. And it's what you call a low-reward crime; there isn't much incentive for large numbers of people to actually jump through all these hoops.
Fact is, the vast majority of fake registrations are winnowed out before Election Day. And if fake voters actually do make it to the polls, their numbers will be so small as to be inconsequential.
No, the main way to commit voting fraud on a massive scale on the registration level is to sign people up for the election -- and then throw out their registrations if they're from the opposite party. Who's been doing that? Republicans.
You can also run massive voter-purge operations and voter-caging schemes that rob citizens of their legitimate voting rights. Republicans have been doing that too.
Facts don't matter to people like the Putz and Fund, though. They're only interested in propagating right-wing bullshit. These guys are setting the table for after Tuesday.
We can count, I'm sure, on four years of hearing how Obama stole this election. After all, the one thing they can't stand is to admit they actually got their asses kicked.
Bill Kristol says they'll greet the news with "with our usual resolute stoicism or cheerful fatalism."
Yeah, right, Let's not forget their usual conspiracism and hysterics, either. Because that's what we're already getting.
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Oh, let them throw their little pity party. It will amount to nothing and they'll be seen a group of whiners. The argument that Gore should've been President was obviously much stronger than their argument will be but nobody wanted to hear about that either. When the election is over, the general public doesn't want to hear about it anymore. Non-issue.
fuck'em - fuck'em all
Reslugs will always be known as the party of whiners, cry babies and bed wetters.
All Obama has to do is keep up with his present strategy and show how ineffective and what a disservice it would be to the American public to continue engaging in sliming perceived political opponents in order to push your agenda....
After tomorrow, no one is going to pay a damned bit of attention to all these self-imposed "experts". The election will happen, hopefully Obama will kick ass and win........so then what is next for these guys but to piss and moan. I don't think even people on the right are up for a pissing match at this point. So these guys have to get as much attention as they can now, before the tide goes out and takes them with it.
Yeah -- now the serious Whining starts.
As little as re-Thugs hate to admit that they did indeed get their asses kicked - the real campaign here - as you correctly point out at the beginning of the post - will be to look for ways to reassure their brain-dead, lock-step voters that THEIR guy would have won if it weren't for massive voter fraud on the part of democrates.
Find that big fat voter-fraud pacifier and stuff it into their howling, whining pie-holes while they all poop their nappies.
And we are going to have to listen to that crap for a full four years and longer.
Re-thuglics - the party of preeminent WHINERS.
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Okay, it's Election Eve and I'm scared out of my mind. I try to be a positive person, but I'm also a realist, and I have this sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that McCain/Palin may pull this thing out. I even cancelled some meetings at work that were scheduled for Wednesday, because I might be too hung over from shock and despair to function at all that day :-( HEEEEELLLLLPPPPPPP!!!!
Hang in there, we're all in this together. I know what you mean, my own emotions are like a yo-yo today. One minute I'm feeling really good and the next I feel like crying. This time Wednesday we may all be giddy with happiness or we may all be sick of crying. We just have to wait it out and see what happens.
Obama is our candidate, we have supported him, helped pay for his campaign and basically done everything we could for him. Now it's our turn to do one more thing....VOTE.
POP and ladybug. I'm all wound up like a coiled spring.
I'll celebrate,then go on the wagon. If he loses,I'll remain on the 8year bender I've been on.
Not sure of the spelling but, it's way up there.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/466.html
Hang in their folks! Relax, and get ready to pinch yourself, because I absolutely GAURANTEE, Obama is going to win - big!
I think he may get close to 400 electoral college votes!
In fact, the networks will have a hard time not calling it by 9:00 p.m. est. Their depression will show.
So get ready for a new America; and have a great day at work on Wednesday ladybug. Corporate fascism, and the pigs from the GOP/Bush nightmare, are on their way out!
If Obama wins Pennsylvania and Virginia, it's over.
I haven't been the same since the Dictator took us into Iraq in 2003. What a tragedy but nothing we could do. Ended up losing some longtime friends in all this shit.
Now I feel confident that the American people have had enough. Even in many of the traditionally strong republican states Obama is leading. Dems are more enthusiastic and record voting is occuring. Two key factors that favor our party.
In 28 hours I expect to be downing some shots for the new America.
Its good to see we are all in the same baskets. We know what the republicans can do. We got 8 yrs of crap. Hopefully people will wise up for a change. I dunno. I tried not to watch to much on news shows today. Am watching to Kill a Mockingbird. That is a movie for our times huh?
Thanks for that :-) I'm trying to stay upbeat. I participated in the early voting here in Charlotte, NC, and voted on Oct. 16 for Obama/Biden. Anyway, I just get real nervous with so many people saying he's going to win, I feel like it's a jinx. I can just see the headlines Wednesday morning if McCain wins....."how could the polls have been so wrong?"....."the Maverick pulls out another come from behind win"......okay, let me stop. I will think positive thoughts, I will think positive thoughts, I will think positive thoughts, I will think positive thoughts....:-)
and cheerful fatalism?' Stoic and cheerful? Since when? Kristol is so delusional it's not funny anymore. It's pathetic.
Saw a story about a week ago saying McCain was planning for a low profile small media presence on election night. I assumed it was because they didn't want the media in the way when they begin to launch their lawsuits.
They won't win the lawsuits but the fact of their existence will provide the base of the claims of the de-legitimization of Obama's presidency should he win.
The right wing authoritarians do not believe they can lose, because they simply see their way as the right way...and the ONLY way. A repudiation by the people, would be a repudiation of the right wing way of life and view of the world. This simply is not going to happen, in THEIR mind. They are the TRUE Americans. They and those that follow them are the only TRUE Americans.
Understand something...yes, this IS about power, but it is about more than that. This is the world for these people. Their limited view is their only view, and their being able to have sold it to the masses for over 25 years has simply emboldened them that they are RIGHT. There is no "going to far" in their world. There is no "adjusting the message" in their world.
It is ALL or NOTHING. If they lose, they're world collapses...and of course...that can't happen...because their world is the RIGHT world...so...obviously the other side cheated.
It's really very simple. Psychotic, but simple.
Wouldn't it be funny if the reichwing called for UN election monitors?
In 2000 I wanted Gore to win because mainly I was afraid of what bush would do to our country. I had bush figured out a long long time ago. My main like about Gore was his environmental stance.
In 2004, I would have voted for anyone running against bush. But this year it's different. I really do like Obama and what he stands for. I believe he really does have the betterment of our country at heart. We are fortunate to have such a candidate and we just can't lose the potential he offers.
....why the Hell should anyone really give a fuck what they think now? Losers always have an endless bag of limp dick excuses. The Jim Crow Party can go back to their paranoid racial armageddon militias, Lou Dobbs border guarding, cross burning, race, Muslim, gay loathing, etc. Seriously, the strikingly non-diverse visuals from the Republicans gatherings are an inexcusable national embarrassment. They can't offer any rational explanation of why their message clearly fails to reach minorities.
The answer is, wait, wait, here it is. "THEY TREAT THEM LIKE MINORITIES."
if they could,they'd treat them like slaves.
Remember the waffle mix with racist Obama stuff all over it? Lou Dobbs bought one - for his wife. He said she'd get a kick out of it. What a racist prick.
I do think we all should take the time after this election is over and demand of our representatives in both houses that we go directly to paper ballots. That is the only fair way for ALL to know their vote countes. Call or e-mail congress tell them the time to change is now.
and i think the voting (at least for federal elections) should be standardized across the states, and local elections should have to meet minimum guarantees of accuracy and reliability.
The idea of these memory chips containing all our votes scares shit out of me. I know what can happen to electronic memory storage devices, intentionally or unintentionally.
possibly think of to drive the right wingnuts crazy!
Here goes: by the end of Obama's first term, peace is on the verge of breaking out world-over, successful establishment of social programs is inspiring a new generation of social consciousness, and prosperity is once again on the horizon reaffirming the possiblity of acquiring that once faded possibility, that all men may acquire live the American dream.
And despite all of that, the red state morons will vote for the next retardican imbecile in line. Maybe even a Jeb Bush! Yes, they really are that fucking stupid!
Chalk up SIXTEEN years of Dem rule.
At least 16 years! But the red state morons will keep voting for, and sending their GOP psycho's to be a pain in our ass.
he was guvna of Floriduh(my state)states your case,clearly.
Over, over, over.
Just VOTE. Don't forget to vote, and get everyone you can to vote.
The next four years are going to be attack attack attack.
The choice for this country has NEVER been clearer. We are beating back an ideology that will not go quietly. There is no wavering now. The right wing plays for keeps, and they have no decorum, no civility, no decency.
We know the enemy now. We know the tactics. We know the rhetoric.
Freedom requires vigilance.
Very well stated :-) I already voted on Oct. 16.....go Obama/Biden!!!!!
A little bit of fairness doctrine will put a serious-ass dent in their propaganda, bullshit machine!
When every right wing imbecile is on Fox, and it can no longer call itself a news (ROFLMAO) organiztion, they only loons the neocons will appeal to will be the 40 year old virgin idiots who live in their parents basement, idolize posters of Malkin and Mann Coulter, and walk around with frying pans on their heads while hiding in survival tunnels they've dug in their yards, because them turrirists' is lookin' for real merikuhn's to kill.
what's rolfmao?
on floor laughing my ass off.
I'm going to let these "conditional" Americans have it...all fucking day! I'll let them know what I think of the stack of shit they turned our Nation into...for us to clean up. Being banned by those fuckers will be an honor.
Now that sounds like a damn good time. I just may join ya'. Never been to little green shitballs, maybe I'll start with them.
i truly hope that the obama justice department investigates, indicts, prosecutes, tries and convicts all repubbbs responsible for the real vote fraud of the last decade.
Get ready for the right's post-election delegitimization drive
They're going after bristol palin's baby now?
Naw. Lets forget them as quick as possible.
It will be funny to see McCain turn on Palin. Maybe we will finally get the truth about Bristols baby. Someone in McCains circle will leak it. You watch.
I'm wondering if it's because Trig's really not her kid OR she's had an abortion at some point?
I thought it was a fetus still? The GOP going after the only thing they find sacred (besides greed) - little fetuses? WOW!
Once the kid is born they'll tear em' to shreds, no problem. But until he breaks through the birth canal, GOPers attacking the little fetuses?
if we elect him first?
We're just trying to remain positive that's all.
mind. It'll be the first legitimate election in 8 years.(I Hope.)
Watch the GOP start claiming that there weren't enough accurate voting machines, or polling place personnel, then happily remind them that they had the chance to adequately fund & fix these problems when the Republicans held all the levers of power in DC.
And then tell the GOP to just shut their mouths, grow the Hell up and deal with their misery like adults instead of whining, over-indulged brats.
The governemnt in power is the only group that can change the election process: voting machines, process, registrations etc. Once they lose, they might call for the Democrats to overhaul the system. Until now, it has worked for them, so there has been no impetus to change a thing.
Your election process is seriously flawed. Last time around, one of the California Congresswomen wanted UN overseers, but that call must come from Bush, so...
They are going to make what they did to Bill Clinton look like a cakewalk.
Just wait till you see the posters and slogans that the mindless minions of right wing ideology are going to be pulling out.
Little stuffed monkeys are only the beginning. These people are EVIL, they are dangerous, and they are armed.
The only people who will buy into that bullshit this time are the fools who want to believe it....the 23%ers who will never accept Obama.
"RACSISTS" do you?
They are racists, but they'll hide it around some complex bullshit manufactured issue. They hate anyone who strips them of power.
Bring it on!
Asswipes.
See, the trouble is that most of the shakers on the right think that cheating is the only way to win an election. So if Obama wins, they will think for sure he must have cheated
After almost 30 years of this bullshit...I will not allow it to happen again.
I will do all I can to prevent it.
I manned a phone bank yesterday for a local candidate and heard more than one person tell me that "we're lifetime Republicans but aren't voting for Mc Cain because we care about our country." Boy, that sure is worthwhile to hear.
And if you listen to the MSM on the idiot box---don't. The only people worth listening to are Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Jack Cafferty---and occasionally Campbell Brown. The rest are corporate lackeys doing their masters work by spreading disinformation, diluting Obama's message, or lying outright. For example, read this trash that MSNBC put on yesterday:
www.mediamatters.org/items/200811020003?f=h_l...
Apparently they couldn't care less to do basic fact checking and find they were using dated and obsolete data, but could get a few propaganda points to the dupes who will fall for anything they say. Despicable and unprofessional.
Democrats in those states could be rallied to get out and vote.
Agree 100%---and I hope that energized and motivated Democrats do just that to send these lying propagandists and manipulators an unforgettable message.
the right wing will be spending all their time eating their young, and attacking the capitalists and neocon wings of the GOP.
Hopefully the GOP will be in complete disarray for the next 10 years.
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
Say it, think it, believe it.
Loud and clear.
Okay, I'm with you. I will no longer allow doubt to rule my thoughts...
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
We are going to WIN
:-) I'm actually sitting here chanting, how crazy is that?!?!
Honestly, if we end up with a Democrat in the White House, and a large majority in Congress, I don't really give a shit what the conservative media thinks or says. As others have said, it's President Obama.....deal with it!
here's something the righties will jump on: Latest poll on RealClear politics has obama up by 9%. It is the MARXIST poll ... oh...wait a minute... that's MARIST, not Marxist.
You know what I say? Good! LET the Republicans carry the argument about the election being rigged. God knows, the Democrats have handed over four or five elections now that were OBVIOUSLY rigged, but couldn't summon the spine to address the problem.
If it takes legions of whiny wingnuts to get Congress to actually address the issues of systematic voting fraud, then I say we shovel some Cheetohs into some basement windows and wait for the complaints to start piling up.
So... the right-wing pundits have done their job. It's a psy-ops campaign to demoralize.
Deep breath (yes), calm down, have faith in your heart, that's telling you... what?
Landslide, or clear majority: uncontestable. Put the champagne (or whatever) "on ice", and KEEP FIGHTING!!!!!! It's not over till it's over. Diligence, calm and strength, just like Obama. (I am a yoga teacher.)
Let them whine for 8 years. They'll see it does little. We know.
Please goddess of politics, after tomorrow don't let the voice of John McCain come out of my tv everytime I turn it on. Also please never let me hear about Joe the freakin' plumber again.
The only way you'll ever hear about Sam the Tax-Dodger in the future is if you are an aficionado of history book footnotes.
My prediction is, dig out your old hippie clothes, cuz there is going to be a new dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Just watch the fashion world.
My prediction is, dig out your old hippie clothes, cuz there is going to be a new dawning of the Age of Aquarius. Just watch the fashion world.
Can we skip the handbands and ripped jeans and just go straight to the free love! ; 0 )
vote for that!
Sure, I'm just sayin', power suits be gone. A new age of "liberated" stuff is coming our way. Free love-- absolutely-- and don't forget PEACE.
and if anyone tries to bring back disco...I'm gonna have to hurt them.
Disco was the trasition from an earlier civilized time to the age of Young Republicans. Disco was the flashing lights, snappy duds, and coked-out people thinking they were hot. All of my friends wore "Disco Sucks" t-shirts, and talked about over-population, the greenhouse effect and smoking pot. Well, actually, we didn't talk about smoking pot, we did it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBx6mAWYPU
I'd love to see Obama and Biden walk into their offices, grab Chimpy and Dick by the ear, yank them out of their seats, and toss them out the window (by their ear).
A fitting way to get those dispicable pieces of corporate fascist shit, out of the people's House!
I do think we all should take the time after this election is over and demand of our representatives in both houses that we go directly to paper ballots. That is the only fair way for ALL to know their vote countes. Call or e-mail congress tell them the time to change is now. -- SouthernYankee
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The only problem is that by itself, a return to paper ballots won't be enough to stop voter suppression. It won't prevent purges of the voter rolls, the disposal of provisional ballots, or the spoilage or invalidation of ballots which aren't a textbook example of a proper submission under state guidelines.
This article goes into more detail about some of the shenanigans which have been used in past elections and which will quite possibly be used in this election to disenfranchise thousands of voters -- perhaps even enough (deity forfend) for a McCain/Palin victory:
http://www.truthout.org/110308A
I thought that article was very very scary. Good work by Greg Palast.
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Here's a drive I like to see the republicans take:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHr6MBGliro&fe...
Actually, I'm pretty darned afraid of fraud myself, but it ain't from bogus voter registrations. Given the past two elections and everything that's already happened this season, there is no question that some Republicans will try to cheat. The only questions are how MUCH they'll cheat, and whether they'll actually get away with it this time. Well, that and if they DO cheat enough to win and DO get away with it, what exactly is going to happen? Are we all supposed to sit around and complain for another 4 years of illegitimate executive branch residence?
I really do wonder; the last two elections were very close, so a bit of cheating was all it took to push it over the edge. This one doesn't look like it, so what if they do cheat enough to win?
On the flip side, what if Obama DOES win? Will the "delegitimization drive" just hover around the conspiracy theorist level, like, say, more liberal circles after '04 (notable difference being that they DID cheat then), or will the far right nutjobs snap when they see a "black muslim" president? It'll be interesting to see...
Either way, though, please do monitor the elections closely--go over them with a fine-tooth comb. I don't want one actually illegitimate vote for Obama getting through, but I expect the same for McCain, and my money's on his backers trying a whole lot harder to cheat the system on a large scale.
I uploaded the Vegas story to YouTube a few years back if anyone wants to post it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RirHIa60t6Y
They want my money by keeping the minimum wage low, they want my god or lack thereof, they want my breathable air, they want my service to their corporate empire, they want my soul, and they want my vote... Hell! They can have everything but my vote!
That kind of argument just legitimizes Clinton, since, without Perot, he would have won by a landslide, guaranteed. The only votes that were lost through him were those for Bush and Dole, and the Republicans know it.
And is Bill Kristol offering what it sounds like he's offering?
*Shudder* No *help* of this kind required or desired.
to have their meltdown on Wednesday. 1/20/09. We get rid of the bush criminal cabal. After Wednesday I am telling any whiny crybaby republican to leave America if they don't love it.
If they steal another damn election...they should all be tried as terrorists at Gitmo...and treated as such.
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