Frank Luntz Focus group: This is a good night for Barack Obama.
By John Amato Thursday Oct 16, 2008 7:00amFrank Luntz: Early in the debate these people thought McCain was doing better, by the end of the debate Obama seemed to finish better. Brit.
Brit Hume: Question -- you said that none of the people came in there for Obama, may I take it that that's because they were undecided or because they were for McCain?
Luntz: No, they were undecided, we got 23 undecided voters. Brit, I chewed them out to make sure they were undecided. Did anyone switch your position tonight? We have one person... four people. Who did you go to?
Undecided voter #1: I lean more toward Obama.
Undecided voter #2: Obama.
Undecided voter #3: Obama.
Undecided voter #4: Obama.
Luntz: This is a good night for Barack Obama.
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I caught this live and it was a moment of pure beauty. The drones at Fox must feel like they're in a bizarro world where people suddenly don't agree with or buy into any of their bullshit.
Pat Buchanan declares a sweeping win for McCain. "You can't trust those instant polls".
Morning Joe's Republican operative namesake just stated that Obama said that John Lewis' remarks about McCain's hate speech in rallies was "APPROPRIATE".
Scarborough obviously did not listen to what Obama actually said.
Scarborough just pulled that comment out of his own ass.
Obama actually said: Lewis' link between McCain and Wallace was INappropriate "and we immediately put out a statement saying that we don't think that comparison is appropriate."
Where is Scarborough's retraction and apology?
I am so glad you brought this up. I was about half asleep this morning when I heard that and I thought I must be hearing him wrong. I knew damned well that Obama hadn't said that. Why didn't someone else on the show correct him?
Someone should put that Bush Zombie out to pasture. He seemed like someone who could have helped the country once, but that was probably just a ruse... Especially when you look at his record.
McCain. Sit down, before you break a hip.
Brit looks like he is thinking "Damn it Luntz stop letting them say Obama..."
Kinda like sucking on lemons.
Brit Hume has the same look that my kids had when they were potty training and had a poopy in their pants. They right wing commentators have been slinging ordure for a long time and now with McCain&Palin as the(cough) Standard Bearers or the Republican Party -- they're sitting neck high in it!
I have a question, why the hell are these people undecided? Why the hell do we care what a bunch of people that most likely spend an hour on the cereal aisle in the supermarket trying to make up their minds think? They aren't undecided, they are idiots. What more do they need to know? Boxers or briefs?
"IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SOMETHING YOU'LL FALL FOR ANYTHING"
But, fortunately, NOT a good night for Luntz and FOX. Buh, bye!
Luntz: This is a good night for Barack Obama.
That sound that you heard following this statement was the collective sound of all fox employees banging their heads against the wall.
A thing of beauty!
Correction Luntz: This is a good YEAR for Barack Obama!
What a joke this station is. If you listen to the guy in the so called undecided audience before he starts to talking with Brit he says, McCain started well but Obama came back and I think WE lost it at the end. Yeah he sounds like he was 'chewed' out by Frank. What makes this even more hilarious is that if he was not just the only one in the audience to get through Franks chewing then Fox must be holding their head in their hands now as the 'folks' jump ship.
FOXaganda is in survival mode now trying to appear impartial and relevant. They've carried the water for the GOP since day 1 and our country has suffered for it, now they are about to marginalized furter by mainstream voters.
They are destined to become a sad footnote of the dark side of America's history right up there with McCarthyism. F*ck em.
FOXaganda is in survival mode now trying to appear impartial and relevant. They've carried the water for the GOP since day 1 and our country has suffered for it, now they are about to be marginalized further by mainstream voters.
They are destined to become a sad footnote of the dark side of America's history right up there with McCarthyism. F*ck em.
this is good stuff.
www.palinaspresident.com
turn up volume and click around for goodies such as...
"where did Russia go?"
FOX will switch to attack mode like Dobbs, Hannity, Rush et al.
They will start the investigations now so they can impeach him for using an expired cereal coupon in 2011. The right got their start in opposition, they always attack better when they are not in power since they won't eat their own, unlike the MSM or Liberals. SO expect major attacks on Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Now frankly I am not a big fan of Pelosi myself, I think when she said that she was taking certain powers of Congress of the proverbial table, she failed in her oath to uphold the constitution of these United States. Impeach Pelosi! Put that on your table!
I doubt it. They will still be around, just have some of them big-boobies, blonde, lucious lipstick-ed ladies as news anchor, and replace that big old dude Brit Hume, and that cranky whiner Kristol. Better yet, have the current newscasters and newsanchor show some of those cleavages !!! Yah, more winks and cleavages, ala Palin, please !!!
Lol! Frank has finally been forced to drop the propaganda bullshit and report the facts. You can tell that Grandpa's in the quicksand of shit when career liars like Luntz are compelled to admit that Obama clearly has kicked the old man's tired ass.
Here's the intimate KEATING CONNECTION to Joe the Plumber:
http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe...
Now let's see McCain try to suggest that the re-introduction of anything Keating is coming from the Democrats.
McCain chose to interject this man into his debate; now he will live to realize those consequences because HE, HIMSELF has reintroduced the Keating Five Scandal.
Here we go.....Keating Five Primer brought to fruition by the Candidate himself. This is priceless.
Yeah, there's another NYT article dated May 16, 1992, that has more details about Wurzelbacher's involvement with Keating and his felony conviction. (I don't know how to do that url link thing)
Sorry as what I said isn't on the clip shown. I watched this live and laughed out loud when the guy said we lost it at the end.
I don't think FOX is too worried about an Obama presidency. It will simply change the agenda. No longer a propaganda tool for the White House, they will simply be the network that goes on the attack. A full scale witchhunt ( with Palin as a special commentator) that will make what they did to Bill Clinton look like a lovefest.
If this is the case that FOX will go down, do you say this because CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN,MSNBC are always on attack mode and their ratings are the lowest ever. Oh did I mention that FOX is rated higher than these stations? Finally a good station that is fair and balanced, do you really, really think someone like CNN would have ever even televised a focus group if it wasn't in their favor.
I applaud FOX for at least being fair and balanced,we could only ask so much from the other stations.
What color is the sky in your world?
All of the news outlets that had focus groups on last night carried the question and answer session LIVE. If by chance those who answered said McCain won then it would have gone out over the LIVE airwaves. In fact not all of those polled said Obama won -- just the majority so therefore your logic of cherry-picking the focus groups' answers is faulty.
These so called focus groups are not scientifically accurate. I could say, I don't know who I am voting for...then show up on CNN and vote McCain.
The point I am trying to make is this, focus groups, polls, etc... all of them have no scientific basis because you cannot see what is truly in a persons heart.
Remember Al Gore being ahead in the polls and focus groups, but George Bush won? There is a good example for you there, goes to show you that all of these polls and groups are skewed.
I remember Al Gore winning the popular vote, yes.
I seem to remember that it was contested due to something....can't quite put my finger on it... but I do know that GWB won, so gaining the popular vote doesn't matter.
I think my subject line says it all, troll. Please go hide under the bridge for the next several years. Or maybe longer....
So in saying I am a troll and you wish me to go away, I am not allowed to voice my opinion? I had no idea our freedom of speech was taken away from us.
The country is polarized into two camps thanks to the Presidency of Bush. FOX appeals to the extreme right wing. All the other networks appeal to the rest of the country and thus divide the pie in smaller competing pieces. It's as simple as that. Many of the most far right programs on FOX have actually lost viewers in the last two years as the country has moved away from the GOP. The FOX idealogy is loosing support as Americans see for themselves the blantant failure of un-regulated conservatism and the corruption it has seeded.
Did anybody else see that McCain walked off stage to (hug?) Joe Lieberman after the third debate. Does anybody else have this footage?
the 15 were undecided about that piece of Astroturf on Luntz's head however.
Whoopsie!
It looks like John McCain's going to have a very bad couple of weeks with Joe Wurtzelbacher's ties to Charles Keating having to be explained and initiating the full details of the explosive KEATING FIVE SCANDAL into national discourse.
Does John McCain actually believe that his transparent dirty moves will go unnoticed by an informed public?
So, Robert Wurtzelbacher is Joe's (the plumber)Father. Robert Wurtzelbacher, Joe's father is the son-in-law to Charles Keating.
Folks it doesn't get any better than this! This is going to now make headlines reminding everyone about the economic crisis and how John McCain and Phil Gramm are at the bottom of this "deregulation cesspool".
McCain will be lucky to get out of this Keating/Wall Street mess with his reputation intact now.
Homer Simpson could have run a better campaign.
Could have run a better campaign (and while yelling at clouds)
OMG! Say it ain't so, Joe! Joe, the Plumber, whom McSenile spent most of his debate time on last night is a closet Keating? How would have guessed, eh? Another McCain stunt which backfired in his face. Maybe McCain can don one of those clown noses the morons in Alaska had on while waiting for Sarah's "guilty" verdict and be the clown being shot out of the canon?
McCain's self-deprecating humor will not include - McCain, America's CLOWN.
John McCain is Wiley Coyote and his campaign came from the Acme Dynamite Company.
Frank Luntz and fux are tools of yesterday.
Obama's campaign needs money and VOLUNTEERS!!
Less than 3 WEEKS left !!!
Phone banks need everybody - all very well organized, easy do follow instructions ! You do it when it's convenient for YOU, from your home!
Please go to
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For DONATIONS go to SECURE, encripted page
Even $5 helps !
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I'm working as a precinct captain for Obama here in Vegas, and I worked the phones after the debate last night 'til 9 pm. I got some irritable pushback from people who are getting aggravated at being repeatedly called. It's regarded as harrassment by some voters.
Could it be that FUX SNOOZE will now have to pay for health insurance for their hourly workers? Propaganda goes responsible..too funny!
Wow! It doesn't get any better than this - Fox's own focus group unanimously voting for Obama.
I guess Fox will sadly realize that there will be a "new sheriff in town" and will begin toning themselves down.
As I see it, america's mainstream media will have to watch itself in it's peddling of McCain's propaganda....i.e....McCain's "water carriers" because if 3/4 of this nation is pro-Obama, then that means that their viewership goes down the toilet, along with Joe, The Plumber.
These people may be dangerous to the future of america on FOX but I would presume that, at least in upper management, they're not stupid.
If 3/4 of americans are supporting Obama, then what are their "real Neilsen ratings? I don't believe any Independents or Democrats ever permit Fox into their homes due to their continuous "hate language" and overt lies - if they have children, they certainly would not want any of the anchors on Fox to be within earshot of them.
So I'm just wondering.....who is watching Fox at this point in time? Clearly not 3/4 of america - which leaves Fox Network with a paltry 23%, largely the rabid republican hate-mongering base.
I consider these stats to make the case for Fox's total irrelevancy to americans right now as a viable and legitimate news source.
Consistent with the state of our economy right now, Fox News is in a sharp, incontrovertible decline in middle america. I believe that following this election cycle, Fox will shut down completely (their 24 hour news wing) due to lack of interest and lack of support for their sponsors whom americans are boycotting right now.
http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe...
Looks like Joe had better not buy that business after all. Looks like Joe will be moving out of town because he's been outed for the fraud he actually is.
I hear they're looking for an actor at the Little Theatre for the production: Will you Still Love Me In the Morning. In that production, there's a plumber walking through the set constantly.
Don't forget Gore and Kerry were 3 and 3
Let's GET THE JOB DONE.
Turn off the TV, turn off the internet, forget the next ipod or cool ap, and drag your butts to the polls on election day.
if you can. We have early voting starting Saturday. If you vote early, btw, you will stop getting the annoying campaign calls.
Good deal. I'm concerned about election day and will personally drag any slackers for Obama to the polls by the scruff of the neck, drag them up to the machine, and say GET BUSY.
I've already voted. Thanks for reminding everyone. Polls and debates tell us plenty but it's the actual vote that makes the real difference.
No doubt.
I don't want to hear any of this. . ."Oh were voting in the Second Life Election relax dude. Stop acting old man!"
Unfortunately for John McCain that this morning we've been able to out him on yet another cheap political stunt.
Joe the plumber who became the obsession of McCain last night has had his Keating, the crook, connection outed.
This not only makes Joe totally without traction politically but it will become even more toxic to McCain's credibility as americans begin asking questions now about Charles Keating.
I believe that Cindy McCain's resistance to submitting her tax returns is based on her present affiliation with Charles Keating today.
McCain will need his buddy Joe, the plumber, to pull him out of the toilet which he's jumped into headfirst. what a visual, indeed.
At the end of the debate when the candidate's wives came up on stage it was crystal clear that Michelle Obama trounced Cindy McCain in the Badonkadonk category. Can this country afford to have a first lady with no ass?
Obama/Biden '08!
Barbara Bush may have had no ass, but she sure looked like one.
Obama/Biden '08
Kathryn Jean Lopez finally utters a totally truthful statement:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjUy...
I think the Obama camp should call the McCain camp and agree to 10 more debates.
I think they can just send a "Thank You" note and leave it at that.
bullshit machine-bubble has fizzled out along with the Boosh Economy.
Be Afraid! Terror! Distractions! Look over there! (Grab his money)
Just like a pick pocket. Distract and grab.
Obama had called McCain out on his thuggery with McCain blaming Obama for McCain's tone because Obama hadn't agreed to town hall debates.
Also I thought it was pathetic when the Mod asked if they both stood by their ads and were willing to say it to each other's faces and McCain basically took the chance to repudiate Obama's ads, rather than his own.
So because Obama didn't acquiesce to Grandpa's bullshit "town hall" meetings is the reason for the campaign's hateful, negative tone? How fucking stupid is that? Hey old dumbass, we've all been to the forth grade, and we don't need to go back.
Is an idiot. And a whiner.
www.MacYapper.blogspot.com
Turns out Joe is related to Charles Keating and was a plant.
Also turns out McCain is an idiot.
Americans have had it with being dragged down into your and Foxes childish and immature High School name calling and bully bullshit.
It's about you people GREW UP instead of running around like a bunch of immature teenagers in middle aged or older bodies.
When Senator McCain first brought up "Joe the Plumber" in last night's debate, I turned to a friend who was watching it with me and said, "He was a plant, this was all a set up".
Senator McCain needed a gimmick to connect with "Joe Six-Pack" in last night's debate and "Joe the Plumber" was literally tailor-made. All indications are that "Joe the Plumber" was sent to the Obama campaign rally in Toledo to get a video-op and give Senator McCain a way to use it in the debate. Guess what. "Mission Accomplished".
I also felt that Senator Obama fell into the Ayers trap last night. I said to the same friend before the debate that Senator McCain will bring up Ayers in order to force Senator Obama to talk about it, a la "Have you stopped beating your wife" style.
Even though I don't care for Senator Obama (charter schools?), I care for Senator McCain even less.
BTW: Where the hell was the question about equal rights for gays? Christ Almighty! California, Arizona and Florida all have Constitutional Amendments on their ballots to deny the right of gays to marry. This should have been a question. Of course, Senator Obama would have given his normal lackluster attempt at saying that these measures will fail, while saying that marriage should be between one man and one woman and Senator McCain would have said that he is against gay marriage, period.
Repubs don't want anything to do with 'Joe six-pack'. They HATE 'Joe six-pack'. They do all they can from ever meeting or seeing 'Joe six-pack'. So if a repub brings one up its either made up or a plant.
So Joe's afraid to start a business because he might be too successful and pay more taxes? Hey Joe ya dumbass, get yourself an accountant and find some fucking deductions. Money spent on business expenses flows back into the economy, just like taxes do.
www.palinaspresident.com
turn up volume and click away on objects.
And Joe stopped by! :)
You had to wonder about this Joe the plumber bs. Too many of McCain's talking points were wrapped around that man. I mean they just happened to see a stranger who was talking with Obama and filmed it? Then they took that scene to be the center of so much of what McCain had to say? Give me a break.
It's called the 'flailing like a drowning man with no arms we got nothing' strategy.
when even the uber-propagandist frank luntz is unable to spin it to favor the hero st john the tortured....
i'm loving this meltdown.
One of McCain's pet newspapers, The Arizona Republic, had the headline "Both Candidates Stand Tall." Of course, when a Republican organ claims a draw, that means a landslide for the Democrat.
Just as when Fox news says "reactions were mixed," it means that a diner full of people overwhelmingly came out in favor of Obama, or an arena full of hockey fans booed Sarah Palin.
Each time McCain said one of his tired old stump lines, Senator Obama smiled. I think I know why. Probably some of Obama's friends had put together a drinking game and a lot of McCain's tired old stump lines were on the list. Each time McCain said one of those lines, Obama smiled as he thought of his friends tipping their beer mugs.
His friends must have been HAMMERED by the end of the night.
Anyone else catch the shout out to Nancy Reagan by Senator McCain? How pathetic was that?
somewhat humorous. Nancy really did not like what McCain did to his first wife and became good friends with her.
they remind me of voters who just won't admit to pollsters that they will not vote for Obama under any circumstances.
Only one that I saw actually sounded like he'd vote for Obama.
Who the fuck could be an "undecided" voter with 3 weeks left before the election? If you haven't decided yet which of the "lesser of two evils" (or one of the "third party candidates") you are going to vote for, you are a moron and should not be allowed the right to vote.
Here's a link to the "Real McCain" - the self-proclaimed "Deregulator" in Washington and what he did to abet this economic crisis.
I guess his self-professed moniker as DeRegulator is down there with his self-professed "enthusiastic support of President Bush 95% of the time"?
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081027/scheer
OT: this is what mcstrange said in debate last night..."When Senator Obama was first asked, he said, "Any place, any time," the way Barry Goldwater and Jack Kennedy agreed to do, before the intervention of the tragedy at Dallas. So I think the tone of this campaign could have been very different."
"before the INTERVENTION of the tragedy at Dallas"....what. the . f***.
HELLO- is he baiting anyone?!!!!!!! that was a jaw-drop moment .....
John who?
Sarah Palin is the most qualified person to ever run for President.
Her experiences on the campaign trail have given her unique insight.
Sarah can lead.
Sarah is tough.
Luntz claimed they were "undecided". But the one guy in the front row said he still wasn't about to vote for Obama and would vote for McCain.
He didn't raise his hand when Luntz asked if anyone's mind had been changed from the debate either.
I don't think those people are "undecided" at all. They just aren't willing to be as vocal about their rejection of Obama as the guy in the front row.
Senator Creepy Corpse is done....throw the dirt on him.
Luntz: " good night for Obama".... He must have choked on his own bile to have to admit that... I agree generally, McCain came out and appeared gain an early advantage in part by steering the dialogue.. I suppose that's what his handlers gameplan was... Gain traction with an answer or comment that both accused and allowed for tangential attacks to be thrown in... and only occasionally addressing the actual question initially posed... My initial surprise at his early advantage gave way to a realization not too far into this 'debate' such as it was, that he was overly rehearsed with a fair amount of memorized catchphrases to throw out based on key words coming from Obama that would trigger these responses... I was also pretty early on concerned with the way the moderator seemed to be steering the questions in a way that appeared to put Obama in a bad light or on the defensive in responding initially... I didn't know exactly what to make of that or if I was just sort of seeing demons where none existed.. Didn't matter, Obama to his credit just rolled with it and handled whatever the questions or negative comments were anyway.
As far as the McCain early strategy went, as a tactic in going on the attack early and steering his reponses in that negative attack manner, he appeared successful until Obama comments and/or responses veered from the responses anticipated. At that point some of McCains remarks started appearing a bit too rote and in some instances a bit non-sequitur in nature. And overall, McCain was coming across as someone a little too amped up.. Like maybe with a little pharma assistance of some kind to help him keep focus. Don't know on that one, just my impression, but everyone on both sides knew McCain had to bring some kind of 'a' game to just break even. Don't think he quite pulled it off though. Sometimes, a speed freak for instance, can initially come off as very on top of a subject.. Until they veer off course and start rambling.. Ain't accusing McCain of snorting meth, just saying he rambled somewhat... for whatever reason and it usually happened when Obama didn't respond in a manner that was expected, based on the tangential attack launched.
And of course McCain recycled all the same charactor assassinating pablum he's been increasingly relying on... In other words his usual bullshit... I became less concerned with the old mans 'gotcha' snarky comebacks and attacks once I saw how easily Obama either explained away the tangential bullshit, ala that whole Ayers so-called connection or the so-called Acorn scandal...or just took the time to respond to the actual question... Obama, to his credit tried, to do his own steerage of the 'debate' 'back' onto actual topics of interest needing examined.. McCain, alas, would have none of it.. Mostly because his handlers I guess know they got nothing of substance to offer on that... Mud slinging is litteraly all they got and all they came to the debate with.. Maybe their old buddy Joe the plumber can help them with that credibity problem on the issues situation... But maybe not... Apparently old Joe's not exactly who or what McCain portrayed him to be either.... What a surprise... another bit of smoke and mirrors out of the McCain camp....who'd a thunk THAT???
In the end however, whatever snark points the repubs think they scored on Obama last evening is meaningless...Pointless and meaningless, in the face of everything going on in this nation and the world. This is not about some high school popularity contest though the repubs certainly wish it was... It's about fixing a mess 30 years in the making with the republican political party and all its politicians fingerprints all over it.. including John (I was a P.O.W.) McCain...On the real issues? On what really matters to ordinary people in this country and yes, the rest of the world, the repubs and neocons got nothing of substance to offer and that was evident once again last night, on display, with McCain and his approach to 'debating'... Obama is offering something substantial to address this shit sandwich the republicans have created, he tried to articulate it in between needing to defend himself against these scurrious attacks McCain launched... And as far as he could, he did articulate this vision. The time limitations and McCains attack dog strategy prevented much in the way of details from ever being presented... but not for want of trying.... McCain for his part had nothing but boilerplate handler created generalized platitudes to offer up... I for one have seen that bullshit movie many times since Ronnie Reagan and his B.S. morning in America... Overall? Nothing I saw last night changed my mind in the least... I am still a Kuch man, I am still going to vote for Obama because given a choice between Obama and McCain, there really isn't a choice for a sane person to debate... That became ever more clear last night once again... JD
Finally C & L gets it.
Fox News is Fair and Balanced!
"After making Joseph Wurzelbacher famous, McCain learned 3 key facts -- Joe owes back taxes, isn't licensed and Obama's plan would cut Joe's taxes."
McCain is so FUNNY!
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