Jay Rockefeller explains the fallacy of Conrad's "co-ops" in President Baucus' health care bill: "It's unacceptable"
By John Amato Friday Jul 31, 2009 4:30am
Hold back the jello. Jay Rockefeller was on this morning with Andrea Mitchell and complained about the Kent Conrad "co-op" plan which he said was basically unworkable. He then went on The Ed show and hit it even harder. Jay is a supporter of the public option and was pissed that the co-op proposal was inserted in the Baucus bill since it was never even talked about during the general election. Isn't it nice that Baucus has killed the public option just to work with Republicans? Conservatives don't even have to win elections to get what they want. That's some deal they have.
Ed: It's not going to work. There's really no successful model out there to support the basis of signing on to a co-op. Would you sign on to a co-op or is that unacceptable?
Rockefeller: That's unacceptable and I can almost prove it. We've been in touch with all the folks that oversee, represent all the co-ops in the country on all subjects and they point out that there are probably less than twenty health co-ops in the country. There are only two that really work that well. One in Puget Sound, one in Minnesota, except for those two, they are all unlicensed. All present health co-ops are all unlicensed, they're unregulated. Nobody knows anything about them, nobody has any control over them and nobody has ever said, which is stunning to me, no government organization or private organization has ever done a study to what effect they might have in terms of bringing down the insurance prices.
They are untested, they are unlicensed, they are unregulated, they are unstudied. Why would we even think about putting them in as a control on this massive insurance industry instead of the public option?
There aren't any co-ops throughout much of the country, but to appease the conservative Dems we're supposed to throw six billion dollars around and hope that the states will try to make them workable. Is this insane? Watch the whole clip, but you get the idea from this one statement. Kent Conrad's big proposal is a complete sham, but President Baucus is trying to cram that down the throats of the country, which will render all health-care reform useless. All hail bipartisanship!
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back when Big Eddie was merely a small-time factotum that you'd have thought he had developed a taste of Senatorial shit.
Eddie had Conrad on all of the time and ALWAYS agreed with him.
Kind of shallow if you ask me.
Right up until he was absolutely buried in phone calls and emails telling him how off base he was about Holy Joe.
Is there any chance that insurance companies can be kept in the picture of health delivery, but as non-profit corporations operating on government grants?
That would be a new kind of critter; a hybrid of the single-payer system with the present insurance system. Especially if it allows for the buying and selling of niche policies.
be OK provided the insurance companies remained honest, the only problem is that they still would dump all of the high risk to the gubmint leaving us holding the bag without hardly any healthy people contributing into the public portion.
California's work comp model is a prime example
The other problem that I foresaw was over-billing the government, like the Pentagon $700.00 hammers and toilet seats. They could also undercut spending, by accepting the government money, but finding ways to not use it for care, and pocket the excess.
Did you know Calgon's slogan: Calgon Take Me Away was swiped from the Pentagon?
the health??? industry is so big and so corrupt that they I think they will do this. They will overcharge, double-charge, charge for services not provided etc... all the crap the Blackwater's and f'ing Halliburton (et al) does now with the Pentagoon. The "Co-op" is just another fat cash cow for the slimy insurance racket slugs. From what I'm hearing, Obama is still sticking to his guns for the public option. I do wish however that he would stick to the guns he said he was sticking to before and during the election .... Single frik'n payer. Give us all tri-care (its what is provided to the GI's) and be done with it. ~ Also I'm SO tired of the whiny's talking about how public would be the death knell of the insurance racket (I'm now playing a very small and sad sonata, by P.D.Q Bach, on the worlds tiniest violin)
I once needed a chip for the project I was working on - a simple little timer chip - an LM555 - I went to the government parts guy's counter at the base. Price $15.00 GSA!!! I said forget about it, went off base to Radio Shlock, and got the identical part, for under 5 bucks. I didn't even turn in a voucher, I just bought it, and finished my design. I turned in a fraud waste and abuse report on the $15.00 GSA price on a part you can get at any off base supplier for under 5 bucks including tax! (That is exactly the same part number, from exactly the same vendor!!) Of course I heard NOTHING.
What kind of federal department would be set up to oversee a single-payer option; an existing department or a new National Health Department, and what would prevent that from becoming another Homeland Defense boondoggle, and how would they handle overlaps with already existing agencies like the Surgeon Generals Office, the FDA, the USDA and others?
Sloganeering on the issue as some others do is insufficient.
It's simple.
You just extend Medicare to all Americans.
Dissolve all the national health insurance corporations. Offer all their employees first dibs on jobs working within the Medicare "Single Billing" "We just say YES" offices and let the CEO's and their high paid lobbyists go cry in their martini's on K Street.
Cut the FAT out of the military budget and increase payroll taxes a smidge, get into a major disease reduction/preventive medicine mindset and put it all into effect Jan. 1, 2010.
It is REALLY that simple.
It really is.
When the debate is made into this big complicated mess...it is to confuse and befuddle.
Why Dean and the Dems allowed it to become such a mess is without any legitimate excuse. Vets, Medicare recipients and Fed employees are in good programs. Joe Taxpayer should all be treated equally. It's very simple.
The existing Small Business Administration could easily have been approached for hosting a Fed employee/Vets/Medicare like program for small businesses. My eyes roll over.
We have a country where the bloated military spends almost half of every tax dollar to defend a country full of sick and dying because we can't afford healthcare.
It is enough to drive a thinking person insane
At minimum it is pretzel logic
That's why I've been wondering if Medicare, Medicaid, the VA Hospital and any agency that work with states SCHIP could all be collapsed into one agency, with less redundancy, and hopefully less overhead.
Toupees are so gauche.
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But then we live in the land of gauchen.
If you live in Florida I would be honored to run your campaign for US Senate. This was Bernie Sanders-like. I bow to you.
I lived in Bradenton/Sarasota as a seven year old, then back to Ohio.
Then I moved to West Palm Beach/Lake Worth and lived for a few years in 1970. Then back to Ohio.
Then I lived in Fort Myers for a few years in 1977, then went to L.A. for the next 25.
So, "technically" I think I'd be labeled a carpetbagger.
I am HONORED that you would think so highly of me. Thank you.
BTW, I was just looking at houses in Pensacola the other day as it was listed in last Sunday's Parade magazine as one of the top five places to retire in the U.S.
probably still can't get elected here. There are really only 2 things very cheap in Florida these days, housing and politicians. Do a Google for Ray Samson the FORMER Speaker here and you will see what I mean. What a sleaze. Are you sure you want to retire here? Regards
Back when I was in the Navy I worked on a 5" 54 gun. We broke a bolt and when I went to get one, they were out! It was going to take about 2 weeks to get one. My boss was pissed because I was the one that broke it. I went to a machine shop to see if they could make one. What I found out was nothing but bullshit. I gave the guy the "old bolt" so he could make a new one and he told me that the "old bolt" was crap! He had never seen crap like this befor. When I told him it went to a gun mount, he said he was suprised it even worked. He milled a new one for about $11 and said it was about 10 times stronger than one the Navy was using. By the way, the bolt the Navy was using cost about $68. After putting the gun mount back together on my weekend I thought things would be better. No! I got wrote up on Monday for NOT using a bolt the Navy requires from there supplier. Talk about a bunch of bullshit. This started to get out of control untill I got the specs on the bolt the Navy was using and the spects on the bolt I used and My Gunnery school top guy and asked Why are we using JUNK. I did my report and after a few weeks I was called in and things just went away. I was told my report was sent up the ladder and I was to forget about this issue!
I wonder just who is making money for a contract to make shit.
Lowest bidder, cost plus contracts, with cronies, false front small disadvantaged "businesses" who are actually being run by the big business kreeps -
Do you disadvantaged as in minority owned businesses acting as fronts? I've heard that's happened in the past, if not currently.
Oh and lower bidders on government contracts then turn around and get cost-overruns, and time extensions without any contractual consideration for the other party.
If the Navy were a private company they would have been in Chapter 7 long ago for such screwed up priorities and rigid procurement practices which are intentionally rigged to favor certain suppliers.
Each bureaucracy has its own culture. Poaching some dedicated talent from the Vets/Medicare/Fed Employees programs to start a new one Fed Taxpayers should help prevent a "good enough for government work" or Pentagon procurement like culture from being introduced at the start. Stopping that careless attitude at the start will go a long way.
to embezzle billions. they will never be worthy of handling such a trust. And, it's just an additional expense having them in the middle. Far as I'm concerned, it time that these parasitical entities passed into history.
Full National Health!
The reason and the ONLY reason the Congress and Obama are doing this "chickens running around aimlessly with their heads cut off" dance through the halls of Congress:
"The Public Option!!!.....No!....Co-ops!!!...We need Co-ops!!!....Wait....but what about if we just do a subsidy here and a subsidy there??...A tax cut here and a tax increase there??? A fine here and a penalty there???....Wait!...Wait!!!!....And a do-si-do....Here's your partner and away you go!".....
Is....because the for-profit health insurance corporations ARE CALLING THE FREAKIN' TUNE ALREADY!!!!
These corporations need to be told, "You know....we'd really like to thank you for all the checks you've written for the Democrats and Republicans re-election efforts. And all those lobbying checks and all. It's been a real swell party, hasn't it? You've made lots of dough for your Wall Street investors, fat checks for your CEO's...of course the American people have been shafted by you....which is why we've sorta, kinda come to the, ummm, conclusion that YOU NEED TO BE DISSOLVED AND GO BYE-BYE!!!!
We've kinda, ummm, well, ah, come to the conclusion that if we simply declare this era of "health insurance corporations gouging the American people for a profit while denying care" over and simply EXTEND MEDICARE BENEFITS TO ALL AMERICANS....that we'd all be better off."
Basically this is Conyers H.R. 676. "Medicare for All". Minus the rotten prescription Part D that Bush gave the poor American seniors. Seniors are getting REAMED by Part D right now! That's why they all want to buy their meds in CANADA!!!
MEDICARE FOR ALL AMERICANS WITH ALL DRUG PRICES BEING NEGOTIATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! INSURANCE CORPORATIONS GO POUND SALT!!!! TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF HEALTH CARE!!! HEALTH CARE NOT WARFARE!!!!
It's a simple one page bill. "Medicare (minus prescription part D) will be extended to all American citizens beginning Jan. 1, 2010."
There ya go. No 1000 pages, no two lawyers needed to read it and understand it.
Just a bunch of drunk insurance executives and lobbyists crying in their martini's at the K Street Bars.
The reason and the ONLY reason the Congress and Obama are doing this "chickens running around aimlessly with their heads cut off" dance through the halls of Congress:
"The Public Option!!!.....No!....Co-ops!!!...We need Co-ops!!!....Wait....but what about if we just do a subsidy here and a subsidy there??...A tax cut here and a tax increase there??? A fine here and a penalty there???....Wait!...Wait!!!!....And a do-si-do....Here's your partner and away you go!".....
Is....because the for-profit health insurance corporations ARE CALLING THE FREAKIN' TUNE ALREADY!!!!
These corporations need to be told, "You know....we'd really like to thank you for all the checks you've written for the Democrats and Republicans re-election efforts. And all those lobbying checks and all. It's been a real swell party, hasn't it? You've made lots of dough for your Wall Street investors, fat checks for your CEO's...of course the American people have been shafted by you....which is why we've sorta, kinda come to the, ummm, conclusion that YOU NEED TO BE DISSOLVED AND GO BYE-BYE!!!!
We've kinda, ummm, well, ah, come to the conclusion that if we simply declare this era of "health insurance corporations gouging the American people for a profit while denying care" over and simply EXTEND MEDICARE BENEFITS TO ALL AMERICANS....that we'd all be better off."
Basically this is Conyers H.R. 676. "Medicare for All". Minus the rotten prescription Part D that Bush gave the poor American seniors. Seniors are getting REAMED by Part D right now! That's why they all want to buy their meds in CANADA!!!
MEDICARE FOR ALL AMERICANS WITH ALL DRUG PRICES BEING NEGOTIATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! INSURANCE CORPORATIONS GO POUND SALT!!!! TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF HEALTH CARE!!! HEALTH CARE NOT WARFARE!!!!
It's a simple one page bill. "Medicare (minus prescription part D) will be extended to all American citizens beginning Jan. 1, 2010."
There ya go. No 1000 pages, no two lawyers needed to read it and understand it.
Just a bunch of drunk insurance executives and lobbyists crying in their martini's at the K Street Bars.
The reason and the ONLY reason the Congress and Obama are doing this "chickens running around aimlessly with their heads cut off" dance through the halls of Congress:
"The Public Option!!!.....No!....Co-ops!!!...We need Co-ops!!!..
be ONE powerpoint slide!!
Yess!!
How do we wake up the sheeple??? There must be some way! The health racket needs to be kicked in their cajones, which is their wallet - but how???
Sounds like the chickens escaped from their co-ops.
(Big snare roll and cymbal crash!!!) ~ She said rolling on the floor groaning :-)
I'm a distinct believer in cymbalism
But then I discovered deoderant.
The answer is simple: Medicare-For-All (M4A)!
Glad to see Senator Rockefeller finally speak up. Keep up the pressure for a public option. The voters want one. What the GOP wants is a mediocre Bill that they can point to as a failure, whether it is a failure or not. Is it worth losing the mid-term elections in order to achieve bipartisanship for a failing cause?
Senators that make sense? I used to have one in Pat Moynihan but then I moved to Florida and the best I have is Bill Nelson. At least he parks his worthless keister on the correct side of the aisle. Sen. Rockefeller seems to have it together. I would be interested in what those from his state have to say about him. Fill me in.
of them Reepuke-lican (or blue cross-dog demeecrats) senate-critters for my very own too! When they aren't doing what I want in the legislature, they can come over and do my vacuuming and run a load of laundry! errr well on second thought I don't want them touching my laundry or in my house - maybe just clean out my gargage.....
Good on Jay though! Amazing that one of the richest people in the world really is fighting for us - but then so is Teddy - jeese I hope he is doing ok..... I haven't heard anything about him for a while...
Chairman Baucus I could understand but he is DEFINITELY NOT the change for which I voted.
Baucus?
Baucus is a uncaring traitor to all Americans and their health care excepting bribe money from the insur. Co's. Why is he chairman of a comittee when he is really a Reslug.
a few feathers..... no problem.
Can you imagine if one of these louts was dragged out of his office and was dumped in a barrel of mollases and then thrown into a box of chicken feathers???? That is actually what was done in the past to corrupt wind-bag poleeticians!
The tar may be a little extreme.....
Hasn't the Surgeon Generals office issued a warning that tarring and feathering might be hazardous to one's health?
?
My uncle told me she's not that kinky.
har!
...Think of him as a loyal corporate whore.
When you put things in a positive light, it's better for your health.
Placed an (R) after the names, Obama and the American People would be in for a VERY rude awakening.
What should be after there name is: what companie gives them MONEY. Thew should where there jacket with ALL there corporat sponcers on it. Like Robin Williams said. Exon,Citi,Bank of America all the assholes who buy them off. We have the right to Know Just WHO owns the congress.
Make them wear jackets that show every corporate "sponsor" they have!!!
It would be akin to making a convicted DUI driver drive a day-glow orange car everywhere so we could see them comin' down the road and avoid them!!!
Ha!!
Good one FloydGeorge104!
does the job of mislabeling republicans. In all due respect Abbybwood, don't use the rat,
I won't ever refer to any Democrats as "rats" again.
I have been a Democrat my entire adult life, but I am proud to say I am a Paul Wellstone Democrat, not a Dianne Feinstein Democrat. There are truly "Progressive" Democrats, then there are the mealy-mouthed "liberal" Democrats who quickly snatch up checks from AIPAC, Big Pharma, Major Health Insurance Corporations etc. They sell their souls to the first corporate devil who is willing to write a check for their re-election campaigns rather than do the tough grass roots organizing it takes to represent "the common interests of the common man/woman".
That having been said, I will refer you to this article about Sen. Dianne Feinstein regarding her avoidance in supporting President Obama's "Public Option". She is arrogant and unfortunately hopelessly entrenched and RICH. Even with the scandal of her husband benefiting financially from votes she has made in Congress, I doubt anyone would have a prayer of removing her from office.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/141027/why_is_dianne_feinstein_really_poo-pooing_obama's_public_option/
Hopefully you understand why I, as a Progressive Democrat, am NOT willing to "go along to get along" with the "type of Democrats" I used to refer to as R#&S.
Reading these comments, right after sending a scathing note to both of my Senators and House Rep, I wonder how many here have done the same thing?
They won't change unless we let them know what we want and if they don't comply, that not onlyh we will vote in the next election, but work to get
someone else elected.
It doesnt seem like much - but sadly it is all we have.
Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell shortly..... both their offices here in Washington and in the D.C. cess pit. I think Maria has been bought though :-(
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Cantwell, with her remarkable ability to be completely wrong on the most important issues, is a huge disappointment. I've called her office and written to her repeatedly and never received a satisfactory answer about what she favors.
I've informed her that if she gets this one wrong I will never support her again. If a hundred thousand constituents told her that, she'd fall in line instantly. Sadly, contacting one's senator is just too much work for most Americans.
the same thing - the intern who took my call seemed to be non-plussed, it was like yeah yeah, tell someone who cares. All Iv'e gotten from email responses has been a waste of digital bits and bandwidth. I think Cantwell is as effective and cares as much as "give'm hell (ha ha) Harry Reid. Cantwell is owned - but we gotta keep trying.
most of them are OWNED! we are so fucked!!!!!!!!!
against a former insurance executive from Safeco?
We have no choice but to call and write and if necessary show up at their offices.
I have called both of my senators and have a committment to a strong public option, same with my rep. but I'm lucky all are democrats and they have been pretty good about how they've been voting.
You have a good functional point. I will muster up the effort to let my representative know just how I stand. After all, if I can spend the better part of a whole night drafting the best political points I can, I can make one of the points official by sending to who should make a difference. It feels good to take in a good idea.
Joseph
Reasons to hate Obamacare: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
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I second that emotion!
lol
debunks their lies.
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keep up there bullshit any where they can. WTF, I just don't get it. Do they watch glen(dipshit)beck 24 7. wor that fat ass drugie rush.
The lack of curiosity of some of you is disgusting. You're the ones who cry "but, I didn't know" when the shit hits the fan. It's way past time for some of you to start taking responsibility for your actions and the actions that you sanction.
Calling someone a "troll" or "asshole" because they provide info that counter's your prejudices doesn't cut it.
by researching the facts before you post a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tAUDiS4rak
The reason and the ONLY reason the Congress and Obama are doing this "chickens running around aimlessly with their heads cut off" dance through the halls of Congress:
"The Public Option!!!.....No!....Co-ops!!!...We need Co-ops!!!....Wait....but what about if we just do a subsidy here and a subsidy there??...A tax cut here and a tax increase there??? A fine here and a penalty there???....Wait!...Wait!!!!....And a do-si-do....Here's your partner and away you go!".....
Is....because the for-profit health insurance corporations ARE CALLING THE FREAKIN' TUNE ALREADY!!!!
These corporations need to be told, "You know....we'd really like to thank you for all the checks you've written for the Democrats and Republicans re-election efforts. And all those lobbying checks and all. It's been a real swell party, hasn't it? You've made lots of dough for your Wall Street investors, fat checks for your CEO's...of course the American people have been shafted by you....which is why we've sorta, kinda come to the, ummm, conclusion that YOU NEED TO BE DISSOLVED AND GO BYE-BYE!!!!
We've kinda, ummm, well, ah, come to the conclusion that if we simply declare this era of "health insurance corporations gouging the American people for a profit while denying care" over and simply EXTEND MEDICARE BENEFITS TO ALL AMERICANS....that we'd all be better off."
Basically this is Conyers H.R. 676. "Medicare for All". Minus the rotten prescription Part D that Bush gave the poor American seniors. Seniors are getting REAMED by Part D right now! That's why they all want to buy their meds in CANADA!!!
MEDICARE FOR ALL AMERICANS WITH ALL DRUG PRICES BEING NEGOTIATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! INSURANCE CORPORATIONS GO POUND SALT!!!! TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF HEALTH CARE!!! HEALTH CARE NOT WARFARE!!!!
It's a simple one page bill. "Medicare (minus prescription part D) will be extended to all American citizens beginning Jan. 1, 2010."
There ya go. No 1000 pages, no two lawyers needed to read it and understand it.
Just a bunch of drunk insurance executives and lobbyists crying in their martini's at the K Street Bars.
Something that simple and powerful would be GREAT. . .
I really wish our politicians had the same insights.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
But he fed the fake meme that Obama did a horrible job at his press conference and just yesterday he was telling everybody how lame the so called "beer summit" was. For a liberal, he sure buys into right wing talking points often.
Big Eddie is maddening at times.
... you (Congress) get what we get. Period. You give us for-shit healthcare reform, that's what you should have for yourselves. From your immediate family to your grandmother and your nieces and nephews.
I mean, seriously. Dick Cheney is receiving continued care and even undergoing surgery for his ticker, and we get lectures from Congress about 'personal responsibility'???
More service, less privilege. You want to make money? Go work in private industry and stop wasting my time.
the assholes in congress are going give up there Goverment run Health Care for the shit helth care We get. Not in this life time, never. Hell if Dick C had the helth care we get,he would have died years ago. I want The same helth care our congress gets. If any of these assholes gave a shit about the American people, we would get the same helth care. Any one see any bills put up on this one.
I like Obama, I voted for him and it's nice to have a SMART guy in the WH. BUT! I did here his SAY, It's all most LIKE the helth care he had as a congressman. Shit My VW is all most like a Mustang, it has 4 tires on it.
Perhaps this yellow belly corporate syncophant would do well to remember what happened to Vidkun Quisling in WWII. I guess the hills of Montana must be alive with the sound of healthcare money and Baucus joined to chorus of selfish sellouts and weaklings determined to hold back progress.
Nice work, coward. If that's the best you can do, find yourself another profession other than public service---which by the way does not mean serve-us.
In a small, very conservative State, where he's known by everybody and has a network of 'contributors' from across the land...
Nobody's gonna depose him but the Reaper...
Max the
Mafia DonSenator of Montana--elect me and nobody gets hoit---except 47 million uninsured Americans and our country which has to drag around boat anchors like him and the Blue Dogs that oppose progress.Max Baucus has a $Multui-million "War Chest"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GkBTAC7QQ
for the HMOs (when they're defeated at the next primary), will their replacements refuse to talk to them? That sounds like a good election promise.
lets make all Congressional Leaders pay for their own Medical Insurance and up the retirement pay option to age (70) seventy and if they did not serve 18 continuous plus years and go work for a Lobbyist group they can draw retirement at 75 seventy five.
Lets put a push on their sacred cows the Perks
Isn't co-op just another word for HMO?
say NO to co-op(s) during the recess. it would take too long to get a co-op big enough to be competitive. can be assured the private insurers would never let a coo-op be competitive. everyone needs to call and demand public option with open competitive drug bidding.
"CO-OP's just another word for nothing left to lose,
Nothing don't mean nothing honey if it ain't free, now now.
And feeling good was easy, Lord, when he sang the blues,
You know feeling good was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee."
la la la :)
They are not "blue dog" democrats they are "BLUE CROSS" republicrats!
"There was late-night drama in Waxman's committee as an anti-abortion amendment passed when conservative Democrats joined Republicans to support it – then failed less than two hours later when Waxman used a procedural maneuver to bring it up for a second vote."
The fascist flair is percolating once more. As it did during and following the implementation of Roosevelt's "New Deal". In hindsight... it's not hard to see the factual contentions of the time(s). It reveals itself through it's un-civil boldness and rhetoric, just as plainly as it did in any other re-constructive period(s) we've recorded.
This great "melting pot" called America, needs to continue to work towards it's founding motto/creed; "E Pluribus Unum"(Out of Many, One)... Who would be against that?
(found in 1776 on the Seal of the United States and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782.) ... "E Pluribus Unum" → "Out of Many, One,"... As far as that other motto... just look and see when it came into play(In violation of our Constitution), I might add... No, will add!
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis, 1935 novel "It Can't Happen Here".
"A fascist is one whose lust for money or power is combined with such an intensity of intolerance toward those of other races, parties, classes, religions, cultures, regions or nations as to make him ruthless in his use of deceit or violence to attain his ends." --Henry A. Wallace
[Henry A Wallace had missed being the 33rd President of the United States by just 82 days.]
PS. Establishment Clause of the First Amendment
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” [Note that the clause is absolute. It allows no law. It is also noteworthy that the clause forbids more than the establishment of religion by the government. It forbids even laws respecting an establishment of religion.]
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