Whistleblowers Unite! Take down the Bush/Cheney Torture regime
I would have loved a much broader scope that would have been applied to the Durham Probe on CIA interrogations, as many have already stated, but you know I see a sliver of hope buried in it. Jane Mayer said as much on Olbermann yesterday and I perked up a little when I heard her say it because I was thinking the same thing.
MAYER: Well, my guess is that if they actually open some kind of serious investigation, and Durham is said to be a very serious prosecutor, that even if they start at the very bottom, it's going to keep leading up and up through the chain of command. Because, if nothing else, if they actually bring charges against anybody at the CIA who was at the bottom of the food chain, the first thing that person's going to do is say "I was authorized, let me tell you what my orders were." So they've begun a process that could lead to the top.
Please hear me all Ye Whistleblowers. Cometh to DC and lay forth the truth unto thee! Speak thy words to Durham's ear and whisper the truth of unspeakable horrors. So dark and so horrible that thee will tremble from thy shame and call upon those who defiled us so.
If something breaks out during Durham's tepid investigation, who knows what it shall bring.
And read Dahlia Lithwick's excellent piece on this whole sordid affair.
Halfway There. Is half a torture investigation better than none at all?
"Please hear me all Ye Whistleblowers. Cometh to DC and lay forth the truth unto thee!"
A decidedly Shakespearean tenor.
How fitting.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
The very same people who once put torture chambers in church basements now torture in the name of the USA. To the eternal shame of our great country, good men and women stood by and let it happen. If we let the same evil rewrite history we're as guilty as anyone who participated in the actual torture.
broad daylight with a smirk on their faces.
..it was somebody else who stood by not me.
There wasn't much I was going to do about it. I suppose I could have formed a militia but I trusted w (what a stupid thing for anyone to do) to at least obey the law and if not obey the laws of man then at least obey the laws of that god he so devoutly believed in. Of course, watching him and the crime family, we all so badly want to see wearing prison orange jumpsuits, shred the Constitution and violate International Law and treaties, it was pretty obvious where that militia would have ended up.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Here's what I'm getting at:
"The more often Americans go to church, the more likely they are to support the torture of suspected terrorists, according to a new survey."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/30/religion.tor...
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I'm referring to the the obsession religious people in America have with sadism.
If religion made people good we should see the opposite; that is, the "religious-right" standing against torture instead of for it. Denouncing first its own leaders before the left has to. The "religious-right" should be standing up for the rights of the poor or lesser among us, rather than for the rich and powerful. Good should be the message we see from religious leaders, not lies, wars and the obvious sidelining of the morality for the sake of power.
Only when the average Republican-leaning American decides that being good is DOING GOOD, and not simply going to church every week, voting GOP and watching Fox News... then, only then will the tide turn.
..I still think there are a lot of people who are patriotic and religious who are willing to see dark-skinned middle easterners tortured because of the 19 who hijacked four airplanes, flew them into our buildings and killed thousands tortured all day long out of some twisted sense of retribution or vengenance.
Don't the religious quote: "Vengenance is mine sayeth the Lord!". That is what's so perverted about the people who are "okay" with torture; they speak out of both sides of their mouths. I don't need to be reminded of what's moral or what's legal to know that we have laws in this country and that we are supposedly a nation of laws. And it will be brought up many times that we are not safe because we tortured, we had no moral authority to torture, torture is illegal and we have signed international agreements to investigate and prosecute EVERYONE involved!
I want the health care reform issue put to bed once and for all so that we can focus our energy on our politicians to do the right thing and PROSECUTE THOSE BASTARDS!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
a splendid time is guaranteed for all!
..I'm going to have a party on the day w is indicted, my fingers are crossed, and you're all invited.
I have a glimmer of hope that dreams do come true!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
one needs to be asleep to dream.
But I do share your pain having to live in this freaking hellhole.
n/t
in hopes that it will go all the way to the top.
sooo... does this mean that durham is going to be slightly-unshackled in his investigation? obama/holder had initially remarked that any investigation into torture was only going to probe instances of abuse that went beyond the yoo/bybee torture directives. is durham now able to attack those that formulated the draconian policies in the first place, like, say, cheney, rummy, yoo, bybee, addington, bushy... ?
if i am going to be disappointed i want to get it over with now.
inquiring minds wanna know
none of the big Bosses of the Bushevik regime will ever face prosecution for ANYTHING they did "in defense of the national security."
NEVAHAPUN
outing a covert CIA agent during wartime is a capital offense, and Scooter Libby got his sentence for obstruction of justice commuted.
Hope is good. It doesn't put bread on the table though.
Another Fitz to confuse, defuse it, another smoke screen Durham. I'll believe it when I see frog-marching by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Bolton, Delay, Rove, etc, etc, etc,
Yoo may bybee right!
I may be Cheney
But I'm just not quite the lunatic you're looking for
Turn off the light
Don't try to cage me
Yoo may bybee wrong but yoo may bybee right.
sing that song piano-wire man
But I remember the year that Fritzmas didn't come all too well.
He's vacationing comfortably in Taos, in the house he and Tom Brokaw co-own, last I heard...
But there are handful of unlucky, em and non-coms doing hard time, still. One reserve General (a woman) lost her stars.
I expect no more from any interrogation of the CIA or its civilian Janissares...
from Tamilfu in the bag.
this debate soon anyway.
There is a stain on the soul of America. It was placed there by the crimes and treasonous acts of George Bush and Dick Cheney. There is only one way for this country to even begin to cleanse itself and regain the moral high ground it once held and that is to investigate fully, and truthfully anyone involved in acts against the law and the constitution and hold them accountable. That means all the way up to the president if necessary. Are we not a nation of laws and not of men? Do we not value our constitutional ground work that all men are equal under the law? Or are we a nation of privilege and entitlement for those wealthy enough or powerful enough to afford it?
My one fear is that we are the later and that this investigation will prove to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors, at most chastising a few underlings for “going too far” rather than the architects who knowingly and willfully laid the foundation for this nation’s greatest disgrace.
that it fits in the mouths of the birfers/deathers/teabaggers just as easily, changing a word here and there.
For example, for Bush and Cheney, substitute Obama and Pelosi?
Lynndie England will get the blame, no one else...
"Glenn Beck does what the mainstream media refuses to do now and during the election and exposes who Obama really is."
elimination of TV never sounded better.
that we would even see a special prosecutor. Ha!
should be enough to set off anyone's cynic siren.
Thank goodness the 911 commission got all the facts sorted out. What with so much help and cooperation from the administration and all....
Is half a torture investigation better than none?
If we can't get them on authorizing torture, maybe we can get them on a blowjob instead.
this time.
We got the Christian war criminal Molosovich convicted and put in prison, now it's time to get the rest of them.
we got one of our own? Especially for being dragged into a war we didn't ask for.
Yes but he got to roam around and play golf for several years until 60 minutes caught up with him. Great example of war justice.
Also I don't believe the US recognizes the court that tried Milosevich. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I've often found loud whistling to be torturous.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
when I was a kid and my dad would whistle loud enough to be heard all over the neighborhood, it would often mean I was in trouble.
When my Dad whistled at the baby sitter it meant she was in trouble.
like after taking a whole loaf of Wonder Bread and compressing it into a mass resembling a baseball prior to bouncing it off of little brother’s head.
I predict some result - a strongly worded rebuke or letter but it will lack the fun of watching ANY of the Bush crime family frog marched or in cuffs.
Sadly that is how we do it in the USA.
Now - I hope for ICC . . . An indictment for war crimes would be the correct thing. Make certain these slugs can't travel without the threat of real incarceration.
(a guy can hope)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Cheney and Bush authorized the use of illegal torture against detainees (which subsequently resulted in the death of some of them). WE.KNOW.THAT. We've know that for years. Early on Cheney admitted that he (meaning the Bush administration) was ready, willing and able to go to "The Dark Side" to combat the (phony) War On Terrorism.
So the really big surprise will be if they are held accountable for authorizing illegal, criminal activity. Durham might be "serious" but he's also a Republican. I just don't see him indicting Bush & Cheney (or at least living to indict them!). My prediction is that a few low level interrogators will be hung out to dry and *maybe* (slim chance) one of the attorneys who penned the (phony) opinion giving a green light to the illegal activities.
Of course the Republican talking point on this is that "enemy combatants" do not fall under Geneva (this will be the Fox Mantra of the Month) and this may take them to the USSC where, most likely, they would prevail in another convoluted, "this-time-only" ruling.
Holder said the investigation was going to be directed at those who exceeded the Bushco guidelines. Under this scenario, there's no reason for Durham to 'start at the bottom and work his way up.' The premise is that Bushco authorized a certain level of interrogation, and some 10 CIA guys went beyond that authority. It has nothing to do with Bushco. Unfortunately.
that "guidelines" superceed law.
Cheney did it.
.
The Courts will do exactly what they did to the Abu Ghraib Troops; disallow any evidence pointed at Bush-Cheney or any of the people who gave their approval from above.
Donaldd
http://www.whistleblowersblog.org/2009/08/art...
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