Illinois Teacher To Students: How would you like your tax dollars going to pay "Black Fags"
Racism and homophobia are still alive and well in America:
A Geneva High School teacher is being accused of making anti-gay and racist comments in his classroom.
Dave Burk, who teaches consumer education, is accused of making the comments by his students during an Oct. 5 lecture on tax money involving the National Endowment for the Arts.
"How would you feel about your tax dollars going to pay some black fag in New York to take pictures of other black fags?" Burk allegedly asked, according to student Jordan Hunter.
Now don't be too hard on the guy, according to his attorney he never meant to offend anyone and he's really, really sorry:
"Mr. Burk is cooperating fully with both the principal, the dean of students and the school board," Tegeler said. "Mr. Burk's biggest problem is he does not want to intentionally offend anybody and if he did, he apologizes." Read on...
The man who reported Burk to the school administration is calling for his firing, and rightfully so. The best lesson the children in his class could learn would be that racism and bigotry are unacceptable and that there are consequences for our actions. If you would like to contact the school and give your thoughts on Burk's comments, here is their contact information. As always, please be nice.
I'm sure it will be reported on FOX this evening.
Another liberaly takeover of the classroom..
Isn't this the standard comment or actions..
To attack the democrats using the corrupted actions from the extreme right wing..
None
He meant to say 'black flag'
no tax dollars for metal groups
=)
Dave Burk, the Geneva High School teacher accused of making anti-gay and racist comments in his classroom, has received a letter of reprimand from Geneva School District 304 officials.
http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/...
I just feel bad for the kid you know Michelle Malkin will be posting the kids personal info....
... there was a qualifier before the "f*ggot" remark.
"f" asterik?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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;)
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I sincerely and truly hope he won't be offended if I call him a dumb hick redneck fascist racist degenerate psychopathic bigoted moron, because I mean it in the nicest way possible. Really!
Alan Grayson for President, Elizabeth Warren for Vice President, and Paul Krugman for Secretary of the Treasury!
This man is one of America's educators. Show a little respect! Thats MISTER dumb hick redneck fascist racist degenerate psychopathic bigoted moron! Got it?
Yep, I was right....the ol' gaydar went off.
But not in the good way. ;)
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/illinois-tea...
The Geneva School Board discussed the matter last night and voted on a resolution: "Geneva School Board members voted Tuesday night to issue a warning against a Geneva High School teacher, who a student claimed made a homosexual slur in his classroom last week. The notice against teacher David Burk states that any further improprieties could result in dismissal."
Said Jordan Hunter, the openly gay senior who filed the complaint against Burk: "I'm just disappointed. I'm shocked, really. This is not an acceptable end result. It was in extremely poor judgment. "Not only is it a homophobic remark, it is also a racist remark."
White gays are okay, but black gays?! Oh, no.
Yeah, they are always in cognegro.
a nice oreo sandwich.
;)
in knowing how I'd feel about my tax dollars being used to pay an incompetent bigot jackass like him, if I were a resident of Illinois.
will you retract the remark. (Offered in the spirit of Mr. Burk apologizing "if" he offended anyone.)
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
... so it depends on what the word "if" means.
Well done.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Hillary's on line 2.
with the new crop of interns....
"Just use a G-D towel this time."
ask her what she wants for dinner tonite. I just finished the dishes and I am off to the market.
Hey, Mr. Burk, would it be ok if it were a White Fag? How about a Latino Fag? (probably not), Or an Asian Fag? (well, maybe) How about if it were a Black who was not a Fag? White? Latino? Asian? C,mon, Dude, we need some guidance here.
Idiot? yes. Moron? yes. Fool? yes. Racist? yes. Homophobe? yes. Teacher? Uh, no! Except that he taught his students what he is.
The man is referring to Robert Maplethorpe in case anyone didn't know.
Yes, it's still homophobic, racist and way out of line, and kinda odd that this man seems to know all about it, when Maplethorpe has be gone for the past almost 20 years.
Obviously, another self-hating closet-case who will throw his self-hate on others.
Fired...ifhe's go a decent record, no. But definitely a sever reprimand and mandatory counseling. Or a visit with some "of the down low" brothers for a good while.
because then we get Jesus involved.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Jesus was involved with Maplethorpe?
That would explain lots of things going on at the Last Supper.
;)
would you like to see the pictures?
;)
i was confused. at the same time as mapplethorpe was another controversial nea endowment with a different artist, but they were tossed in together. you know i am talking about the piss christ, also the piss madona and child. i thought those were also mapplethorpe's. oops. mapplethorpe only has the bullwhip.
Certainly pissed off some people.
They were actually kinda pretty, if you don't think about the crafts used.
serrano received $15k from the nea in support of his piss christ photograph; and he sold it for $160k. thank you controversy for adding value to a tough sell market.
... paid by itself literally with the tax on the sale.
"There is no BAD publicity."
Not for an artist, at any rate. Those dumbshit republican rubes put Serrano on the map.
The lawyer says "If" it offended anyone? How on earth can something like this be said without offending Blacks and gays, you moron? This really demonstrates how stupid some purportedly educated people can be.
Candideinnc
It is interesting how that non-pology has caught on.
Even implying that this was automatically offensive to "Blacks and gays" misses the point... this type of rhetoric is offensive to any level-headed human being.
He's apologizing not for making the statement, but for misreading his audience. He assumed they would normal people who thinks black fags are disgusting... like he does. He'll be more careful when he makes racist comments in the future.
non-excuse.
This is a disgusting show of bigotry that should be offensive to everyone. It is a shame in our society that it isn't offensive to lots and lots of people. At a minimum, the school board should force an apology out of this asshole (and my apologies to any assholes out there that might be offended) which corrects the statement to read: "I apologize for having offended many of you, and I am an asshole."
Candideinnc
"Mr. Burk's biggest problem is he does not want to intentionally offend anybody"
Really, that's his biggest problem?!? I would have thought that large legal fees to be paid on a teacher's salary by someone whose future just became quite a bit dimmer now that he's been exposed as a homophobic racist might have been a little higher on the list.
I can think at least few dozen bigger problems associated with Mr. Burk.
Hare and Knox?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
How do these asshats line up lawyers so quickly? Do they troll the streets watching for people to run from buildings frantically waving their arms?
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They rent and race ambulances.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
As a parent, I would be sitting in the principals office or at the school board, tirelessly, demanding his firing. My daughter would not go back to his class EVER. Which, by the way, would set a good example for any child to know that this type of stuff is not acceptable.
If my child was within the realm of this teacher's influence - I would ask to have him fired. If that could not happen - I would demand my child be removed from his class.
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I have this weird sensation that a new right wing martyr has been born.
I wonder if the tea baggers will protest this school. Would Fox news cover that protest?
Of course, I forget, the tea baggers probable agree with this fool.
But there will be very little community support for this asshat.
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because it sounds like there is half a bottle of lip loosener tucked beneath some drug paraphernalia
Any REAL American knows that the best use of our tax dollars is to kill innocent brown people in other countries. Using tax dollars to allow black fags to take each other's pictures is just 'weird'.
There are many deeply tanned people on their yachts at Monaco who are perfectly safe.
When is enough enough already?
Just when I think it can't get any worse. . .
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
that if nobody was offended he does not apologize because there is really no need to do something totally unnecessary.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Qualifying an apology with the word "if" makes it a non-apology. Classic and timeless.
whereas my view is half full. After all, black fags are used to this sort of thing. It is not like he used the "n" word. Perhpas no one was really offended.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
...the historical manifestations of such bigotry.
I find it abhorrent too that we're using our public monies to subsidize the French tobacco industry, especially during these trying economic times.
Good on Mr. Burk for confronting the evil European tobacco cartel!
Clever, French AND British.
;)
... maybe it is just a case of cultural misunderstanding between British and American slang. Extra credit for the lawyer if he uses that line of defence.
I used Wikipedia, but I got the gist.
But only Gauloises Brunes.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Where was you all this time?
Ah, it's one of those """"""""""""""""apologies"""""""""""""""".
This was not an apology.
This was an "oh crap - my ass is in deep trouble now" induced exclamation.
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There's no e-mail, so I'll phone them tomorrow.
This area is about an hour drive from us - it's a beautiful area - we have friends living in a neighboring community ...
Seeing the word "Illinois" in this article was like a kick in the gut. Of course I know they live here too - but I was very disappointed that such an ignorant, bigoted and irresponsible adult is the face of Illinois today.
Yes - I'll definitely call.
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- go to the "about" page and there is a staff e-mail list.
Something is fishy here. Funny how everyone immediately assumes the student to be fully credible and is conveying correctly the quote and its context.
What if the full quote were "How would you feel if some people said "How would you feel about your tax dollars going to pay some black fag in New York to take pictures of other black fags?" There are racist and bigoted people who would feel that way?"
Would he still be thrown to the wolves?
Embarrassed by my species
... LOL.
mmmmmm - How WOULD I feel if someone said, "'How would you feel if someone said "How would you feel..."'"
my head hurts...
But... how would you feel if someone would not have said how would you feel?.
and I feel fine.
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No beer and no TV make Homer....somethin' somethin'.
(Will this reference be gotten?)
Red Rum, or duff whichever works for you.
Me no function well beer without.
Proper response:
No TV and no beer
Yep, that was tough. Ouch.
Go back to Redstate to mourn Limbaugh withdrawing from buying the Rams.
Now if someone questions the validity of a story we assume that person is an asshole and a wingnut. Arent we a rational bunch?
The linked articles only site Hunter as the source of the quote and the "other student" collaboration also come from his statement.
Yes this guy could very well be a bigot and should be immediately fired. Hunter could also be a liar with a vendetta. Nothing in these articles yet proves either
Embarrassed by my species
There is his "nonpology". Why would he say he's sorry for offending people if he didn't say it?
As for being "immediately fired", I'm not so sure. What is the man's record as a teacher? Definitely mandatory counseling for this closet-case, but it's not like he verbally harassed a student. But he need monitoring, and a little humilitation.
My point is he may have used the actual phase in a context
to point out what racists/bigots would say/think. Ugly words yes but he is teaching HS kids, they should be able to parse intent/context.
Yet obviously someone was offended and file a complaint. That would warrant an apology from him.
Could be way off base here but I'm willing to give this guy his "day in court" before passing judgement. Seems hard to fathom that a teacher could be that stupid. That said, I had a few real stupid teachers.
Good point re: the record/counseling.
Embarrassed by my species
ok the Chronicle article I did not see previously. Pretty condemning now.
Embarrassed by my species
the teacher should make a better example, or frame the context better; these are teenagers, but teenagers still learning, and this is an adult teaching. i think the end result was acceptable.
There is no fucking context for saying that, idiot.
Though had he been doing it in that context, I'm pretty sure his lawyer would've pointed that out rather than issuing a nonpology and scurrying off.
Even if he HAD been using it in that context, it's pretty inappropriate. If I had kids and one of them slung out a slur that applied to them, I'd be pissed regardless of the context.
You are dumb.
Yet I aspire to someday attain your level of intellect and gift of language.
Embarrassed by my species
...is the endless rationalizations and justifications for something that should be automatically rejected. Suggesting that somehow the student may have been at fault to absolve this asshat teacher was bullshit.
is the fact that someone can say the most utterly racist/bigoted/idiotic statement, and someone somewhere out there will find a way to justify it or to request the benefit of the doubt.
However, anyone who dares to put the idiot in his or her place with a single sentence including a pejorative (which is a short cut developed by our ancestors to get to the point), you'll see how the same benefit of the doubt is not supplied.
I once watched a performance, in which a dude gets beaten in front of the prototypical white suburbanite mum and her precious offspring. The mum sits there with a nice fake smile and does nothing. When the assailants finally stop, the guy yells back... "what the F*CK did you beat me for?" At which point the otherwise mum springs into action. And chastises the beaten guy for having said "f*ck" in front of her kid.
I though it was a fitting commentary on how utterly misplaced the priorities are in this society.
http://www.kcchronicle.com/articles/2009/10/1...
the teacher sounds pretty embarrassed.
Isn't it great when people like that always promise to "learn from their mistakes"? Translated loosely means "shit, I got caught".
I found the kid's approach to handle the situation to be quite proper.
Marcellajoy, you nailed it.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
He's embarassed at being caught... not at thinking stupid destructive thoughts and passing them on to children.
Removed by poster.
Don't even think of trying that shit here. There is no "what if". He said what he said, and should be fired immediately. Now run along and join your troll friends at the Red State Strike Farce.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
That previous post was in response to Miles' comment earlier.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
taxpayers - awful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6h0kyqSRk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Better it go to RuPaul than to Goldman Sachs
http://blogsessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98JrWm9IMMA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM3HO6cLF44&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I don't know how anyone could something like that and not believe it would offend someone. Fire this asshole - now!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Bring new meaning to fire in the hole, what?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
a dash of homophobia, a heaping dose of creationism and viola! Future teabagger!
Anybody stupid enough to say that to their student's should be fired!
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
absolutely, this person thinks Obama is indoctrinating kids?
He is indoctrinating kids in the hope they'll become the same moron he is.
Two black fags anywhere in America taking pictures of each other do nothing to threaten the ratio of Rinso white to other-than-Rinso-white American populations, about which they are usually so vocally panicked.
That’s the trouble with multiple issue bigots, they can’t seem to keep the desired outcome of one prejudice from colliding with the outcome of another without traffic lights and Divine Intervention.
Divine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dubYbw_ROro
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Maybe the teacher was just a fan of Keith Morris and Dez Cadena?
of Jello Biafras and Henry Rollins to start kicking some ass and taking names.
This whole emo bullsh*t has gone long enough.
Mr Rogers. It made me feel better:
"Dear Mr Rogers,
As a concerned citizen and tax-paying American, I sincerely hope you take proper actions against your teacher Dave Burk for his reportedly abhorrent comments made to his students concerning "black fags." I presume Mr Burk has no African-American students, or he would have just referred to "fags" in his comments. But, then, gay and lesbian students aren't wearing signs identifying themselves, are they? If he does have some gay or lesbian students, how are they feeling now? How are they now looking at themselves, like they don't have a hard enough time dealing with the doubts or confusion they may have about their sexuality that this teacher has to lay more on top of it? That any teacher would use this kind of racist and homophobic language inside or outside the classroom is disgusting, horrifying, and hopefully, an offense that will end in his termination. Please don't fall back on the weak excuse of "...if Mr Burk offended anyone, he is sorry..." apology; that argument is the lamest form of defense concerning racism, sexism, homophobia, or whatever hang-ups a scared white man can have these days.
I've worked with kids, from KG to Grade 12, and this type of person should not be allowed to spread the infections that are racism and homophobia to any child - don't sweep this under the proverbial rug.
For the record, I am a 43 year old heterosexual married white woman, not a "black fag" who wants to feed off of the Fed's money trough as Mr Burk seems to think African American homosexuals tend to do. I do run a non-profit, however, so if Mr Burk wants to use me as an example of someone who may use grant money from the NEH or other programs, please suggest that he say that those "short four-eyed over-educated white chicks with asthma and allergies who like to document shipwrecks are feeding off of your tax dollars and boy, how can we stand for that" - he has my permission - I'll stand with my brothers and sisters, "the black fags" he so derisively referred to.
Sincerely,"
wow not only is this guy homophobic but he had to make it racial too? Someone must have turn this guy down.
Geneva teacher Dave Burk should be beaten senseless.*
*I did not intentionally mean to offend anybody and if he did, I apologize.
this morning , and in the comments section , one of the students said Dave Burk said " this is what a bigot would say " , if this is true would that then be a learning tool ? . Granted it could of been said more eloquently , the test of time will tell and i will hold my judgement untill that time .
every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .
put that forth to get the guy off the hook. There is no evidence he put the caveat "this is what a bigot might say" - that is supposition. What is known is what he said, and that was in the blog post.
He should have been fired the moment his superiors heard about his racist/homophobic remark.
quick you are to condemn with little or no facts , and this is progressive .
every time you throw a little mud , you lose a little ground .
I heard someone call you a thoughtless breeder, but I don't have any proof.
WTF?
As former educator, I am offended. I had my political, racial, and seuxal views, but I'd use them to stimulate positive conversation, hopefully steering my students towards tolerance. This type bigotry is absurd, especially in the classroom.
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