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This is how ridiculously low the Republican party has sunk. Or the mainstream media. Or both.

This is a panel discussion about the different candidates in Iowa that took place this morning on MSNBC. It began with Alex Wagner asking whether Iowa campaigns would cause trouble for whoever the nominee is when the general election rolls around.

Nearly out of the gate, this panel goes off the rails, thanks to SE Cupp. First Alex Wagner quotes this line from a December 27th New York Times anti-Ron Paul editorial:

Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

To which SE Cupp chirps in with her opinion that "most of that is actually good stuff!"

It goes downhill from there, and fast, especially when Jimmy Williams states that he finds it fascinating when white people tell black people (or women) what to think. He is referring particularly to this Rick Santorum comment made yesterday:

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Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks was filling in for Dylan Ratigan on MSNBC yesterday, and had on Sam Seder and conservative blogger Matt Lewis about Netroots 2010, Right Online, and media bias.

Lewis actually started arguing that the reason liberals don't have a Breitbart is because we don't need one -- we have the whole liberal media. No, really, he said that.

LEWIS: You don't need Andrew Breitbart. You have the Washington Post and the New York Times and three tv networks. The conservatives had to invent Andrew Breitbart because of the liberal bias in the media for decades. It's only been since the advent of the blogosphere the conservatives hope to keep up.

You don't need him. You've got networks. The Washington Post and the New York Times don't run any -- whatever the liberals want them to run.
It's obvious.

It seems like only yesterday when the Times ran that investigative series exposing false intelligence and urging President Bush not to invade Iraq, doesn't it?