In a discussion of yet another Trump voter panel (really) Joe and Mika take opposite sides of the excuse making on behalf of these sunk-cost excuse makers.

Mika takes the side that Democrats didn't listen enough to these blue collar voters and their concerns, and that they'd better "take notes."

Joe initially is harder on the Trump voters. "They're dead wrong," he says. And then...

"It happens on both sides. There were a large number of Democrats back in 2005 and 2006 that believed that George W. Bush took down the Twin Towers and here's part of the conspiracy. Yes, they had a right to believe that, but they were ignorant and they were wrong."

Mika countered with "I would argue that Democrats had their heads in the sand during the entire election. That's why we're here today and they should take notes and listen to these voters who support Trump."

Where to begin?

I want Joe Scarborough to show me the 9/11 Truthers elected to Congress on the Democratic side. Then I want to show him, eyes-pried-open Clockwork Orange style, videos of Louis Gohmert, Steve King, Joe Barton, etc. I'll make him watch Peter King, Republican, from 2013, telling Joe's colleague Chris Matthews that there are 30 or 40 BIRTHERS in Congress orchestrating a government shutdown to delegitimize Barack Obama.

Where are the 9/11 truther Democratic Congressmen, Joe? Where is all the Democratic party legitimizing of truthers? Both sides, Joe? Both Sides Don't.

And now...Mika, Mika, Mika...

And I've got one video (of many many many) to show Mika. July 2016. Donald's got his groove back: