July 04, 2007 11:22 PM
Open Thread
As a follow up to our Lisa for President post of yesterday, Matt Stoller evaluates the other candidates.
As a follow up to our Lisa for President post of yesterday, Matt Stoller evaluates the other candidates.

First.
Also, I choose Quaqmire '08. Giggity.
Suspend the constitution and appoint Bush and Cheney dictators for life. Hell, that's their plan anyway and whose going to stop them, the Democrats you say? harhaharhahar!!
Has anybody heard that the FTC gave thumbs down to NET NEUTRALITY and will allow the TeleCos to screw the citizens of the USA?
The web is about to change for the worse...
Since its so rare that Rush Limbaugh will take a pass on easy political points, I was surprised to see this classy response in regards to Al GoreIII being busted for drugs.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_070507/content/01125112.gues...
The terrorists will kill us all if you freedomfascists get your way.
If Net Neutrality is up in the air, that should be the number one issue being discussed here. The internet is the future of polilitical discourse, media, and activism. Let's hope we don't get this one tool taken from us.
http://www.savetheinternet.com
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Armitage Was First Libby Leaker For A Reason
Just 'cause this pissed me off so bad tonight on Tweety.
"The Truth is an Offense, but not a Sin" ~ Bob Marley
Nader tells it like it is. But "Clinton did it". Bush continues to believe he's The Decider. Global warming reaches the 110s on the West Coast. More CIA intervention.
I'm not sure, I have serious reservations about Lisa being a candidate... I mean, look at all of that hair. It must cost a fortune to keep it styled. Mr. Burns, on the other hand, has virtually no hair whatsoever to style and would therefore be more fiscally prudent with the taxpayers' money, no? On the other hand, one might say that being cartoon characters, they only have virtual hair and therefore require only minimal styling. Still. I need to really research this some more before I cast my vote. That, or perhaps I will just flip a coin.
Pax.
Chris Mattews is a punk. Tonight on hardball, he had yet another right wing shill in there talking about how Plame wasn't even "undercover." 3 times this idiot said this, 3 times Matthews gives him a pass. All Matthews wants to talk about is how "inconsistent" the dems are for wanting Libby to serve time... yet how we want to give Clinton a free pass for his perjury. First, I think Clinton paid a huge price for his perjury. Second, let's not forget that Clinton's perjury concerned a cover-up about where his dick was on a particular evening. Libby's perjury was the centerpiece of an obstruction of justice that allowed Cheney, and possibly Bush, to escape the investigation of the start up of a war that has killed 3800 Americans and untold number of Iraqis (and lined the pockets of their cronies).
Matthews also lets it pass when this guy talks about how the Plame scandal is politically driven, how Pat Fitzgerald was an "over-zealous prosecutor..." blah blah blah. Matthews just sits there with his thumb up his ass. He only came alive again in order to talk about John Edwards' hair.
To Do List:
- Shut down the Federal Reserve
- Get off Oil with Wind & Solar Power
- Impeach Bush, Cheney, and Gonzo.
- Preserve Net Neutrality with your life.
- Have some fun.
Hype-Jersey @ 12:
Too bad Clinton didn't commit perjury...
To Do List:
- Shut down the Federal Reserve
=> Why?
- Get off Oil with Wind & Solar Power
=> You have a windmill powered car???
- Impeach Bush, Cheney, and Gonzo.
=> For what?
FTC Abandons Net Neutrality
muckdog @ 15:
Why don't you explain your reasons for asking these questions. Tell us what your motives are.
Kirk @ 5:
What the hell is a "freedomfascists"? and tell me something kirk, did they use clorox on your brain or did they just through in the Biz bag?
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I agree that Lisa's hair is a bit wild to garner her mass appeal, but Mr. Burns would not make a much better candidate. His relations with Smithers would surely be brought into the light, and I highly doubt either of them want that kind of public scrutiny. Not to mention he already has made his millions, he wouldnt have a need to start unjust wars to boost his and his friends pocket books. Hell, other than Smithers, I dont even think he has any friends. (On a side note, anyone else sense a similarity in the Burns/Smithers relationship when compared Cheney/Bush? SCARY!!!)
On the other hand, with Quagmire, his shenanigans are already general knowledge, and he has pretty much nothing to hide. I think we need someone with his go-get'em attitude in Washington.
I'm sticking with him for now. Quagmire '08. Giggity and alllll-riiight.
Apu is my man. He's kind, polite , works cheap. has aa big ol family he must support and understands the common maan - namely Homer. They don't get any more common than that. there may be a surprise coming for this candidate. Get ready.
Kirk is just like the rest of the rightwing supporters who believe all of the b.s coming from the corporate controlled media. Kirk would rather live in fear and sit in a puddle of his own piss as he cowers in a corner.
Why get rid of the Federal Reserve??? The main reason the revolution war was fought was because King George didn't like the colonies printing debt free money up so he made them go thru England's central bank.
The Federal Reserve is the same thing. Congress has the power to print money but gave that power to a private bank headed by international bankers who print out our money and then charge our government % on every dollar it makes.
The Federal Reserve was created by international bankers at a secret meeting much like the energy bill was created behind closed doors with Cheney and his ebergy/oil buddies. Why do you think Cheney wants to keep that meeting a secret?
Thats also why we have wars. The Federal Reserve makes $$$$ off of wars.
Kirk @ 5:
Do freedomfascists eat freedom fries ?
Oh, the irony is killing me inside. The f*cking freedomfascists are the fear mongers like yourself, asshat.
miss kitty
If your having another moron lottery tonight since we seem to have muckdog joining kirk I wish you would let us know so we can enter.
Please explain to us how 5,000-30,000 islamic extremists are going to kill us all? By the way isn't the Department Of Homeland Insecurity suppose to keep us all safe from the so called bad guys?
Uberhawk Republican Rep. Doolittle joins the emboldeners:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...
At this rate, it'll just be Barney and Laura by September.
I have to admit the Neocons created the perfect enemy to keep us in a perpetual war, once this terrorism fear wears off who will be the next manufactured threat to civilization? Aliens from outerspace?
American Psycho @ 28:
I'm hearing a lot about Muslims talking over the country.
According to this meme, they're already taking over Europe.
Mark my words: This will be the Repubs bigotry of choice for the next decade.
Consumer @ 20:
You definitely bring up some excellent points. However, many of today's real candidates have their own money as well and continue to pursue same in search of happiness. Mr. Burns is surely of that ilk. However, Smithers' lapdoggian presence reminds me a bit of the Jeff Gannon/Guckert episode in our nation's history and nothing really came of that ( so to speak).
I will consider Apu. I had not figured him in the mix, but would he be able to take on the opposition that will surely cast him in a somewhat ethnically challenged light?
I may have to stick with Lisa, after all. After 8 years of idiocracy, I could use a little Straight -A student government as a refreshment.
Pax.
Bush Bites @ 27:
I have my doubts about Laura.
I don't doubt that there are some muslims who want to kill us but damn it is also all I hear from people on the right. They are going to kill us all!!!!
Just turn off FUX news and everything will be alright!
Notice the MSM has avoided the fact that those two border patrol agents are still rotting in jail while Scooter gets a get out jail card from his buddy, little king pissy pants.
Should have been "get out of jail card" :(
I see the reichwing trolls have scurried away.
"To Do List:
- Shut down the Federal Reserve
- Get off Oil with Wind & Solar Power
- Impeach Bush, Cheney, and Gonzo."
Well, I don't understand the reason for the first one.
The second item is done. Been driving the electric powered car, an electric Ford Escort with well over 40,000 electric miles now. We have wind power through our utility and in the process of getting a 4 kW pv solar system installed on the house. So I guess Miss Kitty you could say the electric car is wind powered and soon will be solar powered.
I don't think the third item is gonna happen with the spineless crew that's in office now.
This got linked off This Modern World, but it looks like one million Iraqis could be dead.
Fixed.
American Psycho @ 28:
That's what the neo-cons are all about. According to Leo Strauss, who the neo-cons worship, the country needs to have a common enemy. This holds the country together and gets the people to depend on their Leaders to protect them.
Iraq was the perfect opportunity for the neo-cons under the guise of the PNAC including Wolfowitz, Cheney, Reich, Libby, Rumsfeld, William Krystol and even columnists like Krautheimer to jump on the bandwagon. These are the guys that should be rounded up and sent to Mars. Their vision has failed miserably. At the same time you have Bush who thinks he was ordainded by God to save the world calling in historians and theologians to the White House to discuss his legacy. This administration is simply twisted and psychotic.
Tequila @ 37:
Wow, all the more reason to indict Bush and his henchmen for Murder. It won't happen but I really hope history puts the screws to the Bush Administration. By the time Bush leaves office he will be personally responsible for the deaths of 1 million people and I'm including the Katrina fiasco in that and 9/11 because Rice and Cheney sat on their hands ignoring the threats.
Who the hell besides Nero plays a stringed instrument while his country is being hit by a disaster? The answer: George Bush playing a guitar in California as Katrina makes landfall.
Why
American Psycho @ 32:
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I think the right wing radio nuts are pushing it hard too.
Not just Muslim terrorists, but Muslim immigrants.
They know they can't hammer the Hispanics forever and not pay for it at the ballot box, so they're trying to find a less politically influential minority group to demonize.
The Repubs are just like the Klan these days.
Restraint of competition in broadcast media has been the mechanism by which the government regulated FCC media has been managed to manipulate us into voting between two corporate financed and owned stooges. This drives up the price of mass communications, which meant that only corporate financed politicians could get their message out.
The current internet greatly reduced the costs of mass communications. The courts have recognized that the internet has produced "an uninhibited marketplace of ideas in which truth will prevail" through "a wide diversity of viewpoints from a multiplicity of sources." This is antithetical to the corporate owned politicians, who want to commit economic treason on behalf of the multi-nationals, or sell us the war in Iraq. Remember that a marketplace of ideas is what nurtures democracy - something that the government opposes along with other aspects of the constitution.
The copper loop was built during the monopoly years of telco local service. There were those who advocated a divestiture of the "last mile" of copper loop from the Bells, that could be utilized by a number of companies to provide competition for internet access. That was foiled, and now competition on the copper loop is severely reduced, and subject to price points established by the Bells. Telco and cable ownership has been consolidate among a few companies, and we are stuck with a duopoly between telco and cable, with the bundling of high-speed internet with an unwanted product (telephone or television) to avoid a price gouge for internet services.
Now the politicians want to eliminate net neutrality in order to increase the costs of mass communications, so that multi-nationals corporations can retain the disproportionate influence on forming opinions in this country.
We have to start thinking about not only trying to preserve the internet, but looking to alternatives, such as a peer-to-peer wireless internet. So long as a duopoly of cable and telco control the internet, with the government's blessing, they are going to start controlling the content, by the same mechanism used in television, restraint of competition to drive up prices. In the case of the internet, a competitive infrastructure, such as wireless may be necessary.
http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2007/06/14/sen-kerry-not-pulling-pun...
Here's a strange clip of Bill Clinton back in the day. Makes you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3duEgdlkug
I don't know where its from, but it is only 38 seconds and seems to come from another documentary.
Peace.
44, wow, finally evidence that there's such a thing a tin-foil hat conspiracy theroists!!!!
ThanX!!!!
(42)Bush bites: "The Repubs are just like the Klan these days."
...Too incompetant to don the uniform. They would try to shove their tiny testes thru the eyeholes.
Chip, the Federal Reserve is a private firm that prints up all of our money and then charges us interest for it.
Congress already haD the power to print money via the treasury department but with the birth of the Federal Reserve in 1913, that power was given away to international bankers who profit from this.
Much of our tax money goes to just pay the interest from what the Fed charges for printing the money, this money goes directly into the international bankers pockets.
"Give me control of a countries money and I won't have to worry about their laws" Baron Rothchild
Actually both parties are just puppets to the international bankers, corporations, the Oil companies and the military industrial complex.
lafin gas @ 18:
Surely this had to be facetious. "Freedomfasciests"? I mean, really.
China's actually willing to ban cars which pollute. Can you imagine that happening here?
Another day and nothing is better. Seems to be the way anymore. Thanks @C&L for giving us the news we (I) never see elsewhere!!
Kirk @ 5:
Funny guy. I think you should lay off the booze.
Net Neutrality is a big issue if we are going to continue getting the news that we don't see in the corporate owned Media. Let's put our heads together on this issue and make sure the internet stays free and open to everyone. Peace.
Bush Bites @ 27:
and kirk and muckdog and cds and rush!yup yup
I think Kirk is trying to be another Jon Swift, as his blog is almost too ridiculous to come from anyone that has enough neurons firing to use a keyboard.
But it's still not very good. Clearly, good satire (like any good humour) is much harder to do than a lot of people assume.
saw sicko yesterday , ferinheight 911 was better, but sicko was ok, worth watching at least once!
Train keeps on rollin'
U.S. Payrolls Rose 132,000 in June; Jobless Rate 4.5%"
July 6 (Bloomberg) -- Employers in the U.S. added 132,000 workers to payrolls last month, wages grew and the unemployment rate held near a six-year low, signaling the job market will continue to sustain American consumers.
The increase in employment followed a 190,000 gain in May that was larger than previously reported, the Labor Department said today in Washington. The jobless rate held at 4.5 percent for a third month.
U.S. economy, the greatest story never told.
dennis @ 57:
yes its great to see mcdonalds and berger king expanding their workforce, so dennis how many of thoes jobs give their employes full time work and health insurance, and how many real jobs are being sucked out of the us to communist china???and since when is any report from this crappy government really worth mentioning ? and is the surge really working out for yah ?
first the repigs gave our jobs and inventions to mexico, under the repukes then they decide japan was cheaper to use then they gave them the microchips and our tv industry and computer industry , then well china can be more profatable ok great give them our military secrets have them in charge of makeing vital weapons and componets for our weapons systems , then the repigs say hey lets poison our peoples pets with chinas criminal element that dont give a shit about your pets then the repigs decide to buy food for humans that are made up from sewage sludge and crap thats to rotton to even feed their people , and god damit im still waiting for them fucking mangos bush traded for nuke tecknowlegy!
and is the surge really working out for yah ?
Hey Ty,
Maybe still a little too early to tell on that one. Here's an excellent account that tells us things are going surprisingly well in some areas.
Baqubah Update: 05 July 2007
Michael Yon: Online Magazine
dennis seems to me i heard that song before!where was it ?oh yes vietnam ? im sure these people are just thrilled to have their doors busted open in the middle of the night when their sleeping line them up and harras them and drag some of their family off maby to never be seen again , all this by a bunce of dickheads from another country who invaded your country on a phoney reason just to steal your oil, god if it could only happen here im sure we wouldnt want to kill these thugs, iraqys will never fight for the invader never !
What's a little leprosy between friends?
Interestingly enough, I've read in the Dallas Morning Nudes that nearly as many US soldiers have deserted as died. The number given is a approximately 3,000 desertions. Only about 1% have been prosecuted. No one seems interested in pursuing prosecutions.
Might be hard to do when working for the Deserter and Chief.
Kirk's website is a HOOT!
Dude - July 4th is INDEPENDENCE DAY. Veteran's Day is Veteran's Day.
Scooter Libby is a convicted felon.
YOU are an idiot.
anyway dennis hope you had a good fourth!
tyree @ 65:
I prefer a fifth.
Edwin @ 52:
Freedomfascist is an oxymoron.
Kind of like lack of oxygen creates brain damage.
Which might explain Kirk's comment.
Well, the Republicans worship Jack Bauer, and he's a fictional character. So why not have fictional characters run for office?
(I know in these parts during the last two municipal elections people were putting out 'Quimby for Mayor' signs, which amused me no end.)
Who would be Lisa's running mate, Ralph Wiggum?
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Appeals court dismisses suit against NSA spy program
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Why don’t you explain your reasons for asking these questions. Tell us what your motives are.
Motives? Whoever posted those bullet items has motives. I'm just trying to understand the thinking.
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