Live Earth Concerts rile the Wingers
By John Amato Saturday Jul 07, 2007 9:01pm
(h/t 99 for vid. by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at Live Earth)
Malkin, fresh from her idiotic "shamnesty" talking point has a new one... "global Gore-basm." I'm not joking. It must be the science of Global Warming that really bothers them. Reality has no place for the wingers. And their pals from the CEI are stepping up to the plate to attack the Live Earth Concerts...
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DUDE!!!!!!!!!
i was there and it was great!!!
Look at it this way; when you've got Lee Greenwood and Charlie Daniels makin' music for "your side", why go hear the Police throw down ?
I actually worry about Malkin. She is chronically angry and hostile. Despite being young and apparently fit, I'm concerned that her pathological fury will lead to an early death. You'd think she'd calm down now and then for the sake of her children.
And on the subject of children, just imagine kids growing up w/ her as their mother. Frightening.
Bobby Kennedy riled their asses but good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv9q3PR_Tps
THE REVOLUTION IS NOW!
I don't think it's just the science that bothers them, it's the lack of control. They can't control and frame this issue, so it's a threat to their never-ending authoritarianism. The planet is heating up, and the evidence supports this. How can the well-meaning right-winger co-opt this and use it to their advantage without looking like a total hypocrite? They can't, and that's where the rage sets in.
later folks,, off to work! Tiss time to make ,,,,,,,,,,bread.
guten nacht C&L :)
PS
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"I actually worry about Malkin. She is chronically angry and hostile. Despite being young and apparently fit, I’m concerned that her pathological fury will lead to an early death."
That's no shit. That snarl of hers is comedy! Round em up - Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, even Mark Levin - none of them are as constantly upset as Michelle Malkin.
It's clear who wears the pants in that household, considering her husband Jesse holds all these far right views in front of the computer, but is scared to death to slap his name on anything or hell, walk out the front door. Or HELL, enlist!
And with all that said, doesn't Michelle Malkin have the worst blog batting average ever in terms of accuracy. Her posts are constantly exposed to be incorrect and yet her rabid followers don't seem to notice, or mind.
And I guarantee, she's raising a pychopath over there. I mean, most of them are pot bellied cowards, but she's got some nutjobs over on that site.
I thought they'd wait until Monday to start screaming about this. :lol: Not only is it the lack of control on framing the issue on this; the wingers have no control whatsoever on the base for this issue -- NOT ONE PERSON of the two billion people worldwide who saw the concerts will ever listen to them on this. Ever.
You could feel history passing them by. Gore doesn't care about them, the kids don't care about them, and lefty bloggers are simply amused by them now.
It's not the science of global warming that bothers them. It's science, period, that bothers them, because science does not bend to fit whatever agenda (usually short-term monetary) that they have.
Well said Meander.
Otay @ 10:
You're forgetting about the whole apocalypse/rapture thing there, but let's not get into that one.
I actually don't care what wingers think about anything.
There is no science behind global warming. And what really sucks is that it looks like what I'm saying is not legit because people like Bush agree. It really really sucks, but you gotta understand that Bush et. al is against it for a different reason. However, it doesn't take away from that fact that it is a big sham.
Duncan,
True, short-term monetary on the more sane side of the wingnut spectrum, and "let's bring on the rapture, sweet Jebus!" on the other end.
moktar @ 14:
What?
And the other end is probably where Malkin resides...
OKAY! Thanks. Maybe I can stop being in such a panic that everybody missed it now. Probably not, but maybe... :-P
This was a seriously courageous act, maybe the courageous act of our new millennium, everybody. So, please! Spread it across the face of the globe. He stood up to the people who killed his father, and the rest of our heroes, to say this. He stood up to them for ALL of us. Don't let it be wasted.
I'm begging you! They're turning America fascist! THE POLAR BEARS ARE DROWNING! The only thing that can stop it is the masses standing up to say ENOUGH.
I don't know what our problem is, why people don't seem to want to risk anything anymore, but it is a bloodcurdling emergency! If we paper the planet with the news about Bobby at Live Earth, it could give everyone the positive energy we are LITERALLY dying without.
Thank you!
This needs to be our movement. I just wish C&L and Jon would just cover our climate crisis a little stronger. We cannot fix our counrty if we foolishly destroy our environment. We cannot fix the problems of the world if we let our climate collapse. This should be everyones main concern at the moment. We should be only supporting politicians who FULLY support our environment.....WAKE UP!
I like Bobby, a chip off the old-------
it IS a sham. It's all setup to tax us on our carbon footprint. You talk about science as if the Carbon emission theory is now THE universally accepted theory by scientists, but it's not. I'm sure someone is gonna tell me that any scientist opposed to the Carbon theory is an oil industry puppet
John @ 21:
It isn't "Universally" accepted becausr Exxon has its own "scientists" out there muddying the waters. Do you really think Exxon has your best interests at heart?
"Gore-basm"? Seriously, WTF??? Just say "Gore-gasm," Michelle, so you don't come across as totally inept in the sarcastic wit department.
On the bright side, folks, I heard from a friend today. His long-term Republican friend, a former bush voter, is a Gore man! He wants Gore to run, and he is certain Gore will win. Believe me, I had to look outside to see if pigs were flying overhead. That's how consequential this man's turn-around is.
One more for our side :)
I must say having heard his speech several times now that Robert Kennedy Jr. did an excellent job. He captured nearly everything wrong with D.C. and corporate lobbies.
99---Thank you for the RFK speech---a great speech by a relentless advocate for our environment.
And Moktar---where's your peer reviewed data supporting your opinion?
Let's just clear this up:
It should be "Gore-asm," not "-asm."
Or is this somehow like "workaholic."
Just sayin'.
er, 23 beat me to it. Barely.
Straight Shooter @ 23:
Hey! Don't help her! I thought the same thing, but no way am I going to ruin the fun of watching her act the total ass for about the billionth time!
:)
Bobby Jr:
Da bomb! Love his Ring of Fire radio show and his partner Papantonio (sp?). It is really good.
No, John. There will always be those who argue about any fact or theory. Just as there is still a Flat Earth Society and those who believe the world is only 6000 years old - there will be those who deny the reality of our contribution to climate change.
Don't you tjink "Goregasm" would sound better?
It shows how little the flatearthers care about family values and their own children.
“We hold our children’s future in our hands – not our grandchildren,
or great-grandchildren, but our own children.”
- Speaker Pelosi
I can see the "talking points" now, "Yeah, all the Liberals had a circle jerk and brought themselves to a mild Goregasm."
Chester @ 8:
They are all nuts but, they still have a bunch of sheeple willing follow them to the ends of the earth. It may not take too long either. There doesn't have to be a lot of scientfic proof to realize that the heat and emissions we put into the atmosphere is going to cause warming. It only takes common sense. Something these wingnut are lacking.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
Michelle only cares about bombs and internment camps. She talks about "elites" while Michelle gets more cable news airtime than any liberal author
Republicans to scientists: "You're politically biased."
Pot to kettle: "You look terrible!"
Same thing, except the kettle's shining in the first case.
Oh yeah. Taking on popular rock stars is the wingnut key to global domination.
Somebody please dump a bucket of water on Malkin and call the EPA to clean up the melted toxic waste. The reason that this hag is so hateful is that she gets paid well to do it---just another sociopathic money grubber.
John @ 21:
Look, mate, if you're right, and all those thousands of scientists, who've spent their lives studying in their specialties to come to a consensus (that human activity is responsible for global warming) are all, every single one of them, horrible failures and have got it all wrong, or if they are somehow—against all reason—banded in an unholy conspiracy to raise our taxes....
How would it hurt humanity and the planet to use less energy and develop alternative fuel sources?
For example, Germany's support of solar energy has led to the creation of new industries and jobs there.
And how would decreasing our dependence on foreign oil hurt the U.S.?
If it's a complete sham and a hoax, what's the downside to taking steps to reducing carbon emissions?
I am not a wingnut trying to flame bait. But I honestly have a question that someone may be able to help with.
I should be in at the kitchen table working. But I'm trying desperately to procrastinate, so here goes:
I don't know how I feel about man-made global warming. Does man impact the environment? Yes. Should we do everything we can to limit that impact? Of course. But ...
Consider the ocean currents in the Atlantic. The icecaps melt, the salinity of the water goes down, the currents no longer carry warm water as far north as they should, then we have a mini ice age. Seems like the mini ice age would then cause the cycle to revert back once the freezing restarts, salinity goes back up, and the currents get warmer the further north you go, which leads to a reversal of the mini ice age and a return to conditions like we have now. That sounds like a self-regulating system to me. Are we convinced that it isn't supposed to do this every now and then?
Throughout history, it is clear that the climate has changed dramatically without man's influence. Why should we think that the way it is right now is the way it is supposed to stay? So if we see a change that could lead to the status quo not being the status quo anymore, how can we definitively assert that it is caused by man?
Again ... we should be doing everything we can to limit our impact on the environment, agreed. But because it's the right thing to do.
I don't pretend to be a scientist, nor have any special knowledge on this topic. I just have some intuitive skepticism. I didn't get my point of view from anyone.
Anyone?
The battles of the 1960s in this country, even 46 years later, have not been brought to a conclusion and obviously a lot of that stuff is still boiling today.
jr,
Not only that, but how can these wingers say they are against welfare programs? The wingnut welfare program is one of the biggest welfare programs for the unemployable around. If not for it, people like Sean Hannity would at best be mopping floors at Mickey Dees, Malkin would be in a full body restraint at Happy Acres, and Michael "Weiner" Savage would be trying to hawk his herbal cures in Sedona.
What we on the left don't realize is that we are all being played by the AntiChrist to set up a one-world (big) government, turn billions of people away from Jesus, and bring about Armageddon.
We'll think "global warming" when we're all burning in hell!
Mwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
PurplePatriot @ 39:
Not being a climatologist - and prefering to keep up with socioeconomic issues - I can only recommend checking out NewScientist's Climate Change: a guide for the perplexed, and A Few Things Ill-Considered: How to Talk to a Global Warming Sceptic, as they are quite informative and in a friendly Q&A format.
Malkin is always cranky. She's nothing but Ann Coulter without the charisma. ;)
Reality has no place for the wingers
They can't even articulate what, specifically, they find to be a problem with their real or perceived enemies. They can't come up with an argument for what right or standing they have even to be pissed.
They jjust went off like remaindered car alarms with defective wiring sometime during the Clinton era and haven't stopped since.
Even stuff that doesn't concern them, cost them anything, to which they are unwelcome and don't belong anyway is somehow a source of controversy. Just knowing that a bunch of people are living their own lives and making their own choices for no intelligent reason whatsoever drives them batshit fucking crazy.
It's like their sense of victimization at Christmas because other people spend those coupl'a few weeks differently, but they're wailing like stuck little pigs. The mass psychosis is just bizarre.
Purplepatriot -
My own Joe Sixpack understanding is that gradual changes will occur and continue to occur in the next couple decades but the catastrophes are many decades away.
But it's of immense importance in trying to preserve the planet for our descendents.
I know that's pretty brief and unscientific and hardly a strong answer but it's getting late and as I have read, industries can be created through alternative energy sources and conservation. I really think it's rightwing pettiness and these people would rather attack and attack rather than think about their great grandkids.
They are scum.
PurplePatriot Says:...I don’t know how I feel about man-made global warming. Does man impact the environment? Yes. Should we do everything we can to limit that impact? Of course. But …
Hey Purp,
No problem. The totality of causes of climate change is probably beyond man's control, I would have to guess. But the parts that we can control we must. We may survive as a species not because of a 100% reversal of the climate situation, but by 1% being able to continue despite ice ages, floods and meteors. We always have to do our part for the survival of the species. Even if we have to hole up in caves, like we did so many years ago. We will fight and we will survive!
God Bless us, everyone.
Way for Malkin to make herself increasingly irrelevant. They're wrong on the issues, and on this issue, they're very far on the wrong side of pop culture. If she and other rightwingers want to keep on showing how crazy and unhip they are, great. I also thought Malkin's lame jabs at aborigines in her piece were revealing and amusingly pathetic.
Malkin squawks about "eco-freaks" and all it does is remind me of the mean-spirited tags thrown at hippies for decades. More music, less hot air is one way to begin reducing global warming, IMHO.
If you get on the barricades with Bobby now, maybe we won't have to weather it in caves.
I always hear Malkin complaining about the hate-filled emails and comments she gets from liberals, yet I'm constantly amazed at how much hate is aimed at liberals by those who comment on her site. I read no less than four comments on one article which suggested all liberals should be killed outright. Many more suggested torture. Instead of even trying to find one positive point about saving the planet, these right wing nutjobs grasp at any straw to criticize and demean the effort and those participating in it. They even criticized aborigines for waving eucalyptus branches in one act. As if that has any meaning for them to worry about. There is no attempt to get in touch with reality by those on the right. Their only approach is to attack, attack, attack; regardless of the outcome. They would rather burn everything in sight, just to win an argument. Malkin's shrill whining about the left has done nothing but cause like-minded people to side with her. She has convinced no one to change their opinion, because she does not deal in facts. She's an example of the worst the US has to offer.
Purple Patriot,
You raise a good question. In regard to climate change I believe there is no doubt that human activities have influenced our environment and I agree with you and the other posters here that we must do what we can to limit our impact.
Of greater importance is changing our paradigm of conspicuous consumption to one that is more balanced with the earth's resources, which are not infinite. We need to seriously think about what sort of legacy we will leave future generations--do we want to be remembered as the most selfish consumers of all time who knew what to do and did nothing, or shall we take action now to create a sustainable future and not send an IOU to future generations as RFK Jr. said.
That is the choice we will need to address. Our legacy---our choice.
99 @ 50:
Amen.
I'm honestly surprised the US concerts went ahead. The reichwing was apparently unsuccessful in having them designated as 'terrorist recruiting events'.
malkin, what a cow!
PurplePatriot @ 39:
It's very easy;
step 1. turn on your car
step 2. walk to the back end of your car
step 3. locate exhaust pipe
step 4. lower yourself as to allow the exhaust pipe to be around 2 to 4 inches off your nose
step 5. breathe repeatedly for around 5 minutes
step 6. if you are still alive let us know how you feel about man made CO/CO2 emissions
Nice to hear Bobby Kennedy kick some ass. People do affect the environment and we can also affect creeps like George Bush, Big Dick Cheney and their hoards of reich wing faux christian corporate shills currently infesting our government and undermining our environment, freedom and way of life.
Michelle Malkin does not like the entertainment at the Live Earth Concert.She would probably like some wild "Christian Rock."So instead of "Australian aborigines (I would have capitalized the word Aborigines,michelle) hopping around half naked waving leafy green things," everyone would either be asleep or throwing up.
Whether global warming is real or not, whether human beings are the cause of our own environmental demise is really beside the point. I'm with you Bamboozled. There can be absolutely no downside to taking care of our planet or behaving as if a global catastrophe is imminent. We have nothing to lose by taking care of this earth of ours.
PurplePatriot @ 39:
Well humans aren't lilies in the field. It may have been a self-regulating system at one time. But humans have come to dominate Earth. To get the system back to normal you'd need more than a few billion to die off to get back to our population back during the ice ages.
MeMyselfAndI @ 56:
1. Go to your kitchen
2. Turn on your water faucet
3. Place your mouth under so all of the water goes down your throat
4. Stay there for five minutes
5. When you show up dead have someone declare that water kills and is going to destroy the earth.
Simplicity is the last bastion of a moron.
I will say that regarding my post at #39, of those who commented there was only one patronizing comment with nothing to offer to the dialog but his own condescension. As for the rest of you, I agree. Doing what is best for the environment is a no-brainer regardless of mankind's role in global climate.
For those that question Global Warming and whether it's man made you should learn about the KEPPLER Curve. It was in the 50's when it was formulated so this problem has been known about for a while. It describes the CO2 increase in detail, and how it was steadily increasing in relation to human influence. THAT'S THE SCIENCE that all the wingnuts say isn't there. Also, I recommend calling the wingnuts the Dead Earth party(thanks to Fark for that moniker), since they were opposed to Live Earth.
Mr.Mom @ 19:
I've had a ton of posts about GW...
John Amato @ 64:
John ... we know you've had a ton of posts about George W. But he is talking about global warming.
Just kidding ... I'm definitely not insulting you on your own bandwidth.
Lots of good tunes including some people I do not here much.
I can listen to Melissa Etheridge for an hour as long as she keeps poking at Bush.
A clip about how to structure your argument on GW. Nice Clip.
BBC Documentary on GW.(a little long) Discusses the Keppler Curve.
Something for the wingnuts. Full of half-truths(par for the course). See how long it takes to throw your computer against the wall.
I'm new at posting links so I'm sorry if they have problems.
Sorry the Links are backward but they all appear to be there. Figure it out.lol
Personally, I think all this is unfortunately irrelevant until we seriously address overpopulation (after all, we can reduce emissions by half but then it's a lost cause when the population doubles again). There's no chance in hell that that will ever make it past the right-wing's attack machine, however. Sorry all, we're fucked.
There is another article by a CEI cretin that links Live Earth to the Fairness Doctrine and, God forbid, the free market. I take it apart and expose the truth here:
Junk Science And Junk News From Fox
In addition to making inane arguments designed purely to smear Live Earth in particular and science in general, the article is headlined: "Live Earth’s Gross Groupies"
Talk about gross...
PurplePatriot @ 39:
I am a scientist (though a biologist, not a climatologist), and it can be summed up like this: it's all very complicated. The fact is that despite what some of the doom-sayers are shouting about, we really don't know what's going to happen, and ultimately that's the scariest thing. As you mentioned, one thing that's likely to happen is that the North Atlantic currents will shift, so northern Europe (particularly Ireland and Britain) will actually get colder. At the same time, ice is highly reflective, so when ice melts and exposes darker ground it actually increases the amount of solar heating, which is a positive feedback mechanism.
Some changes might even be considered positive, in a sense. But this kind of large-scale change is undeniably bad in the short to medium term no matter what. I mean, is it really a positive event if changes in rainfall patterns mean that the Sahara becomes inhabitable again, if that's the result of the Mediterranean becoming a desert and displacing millions of people? These kinds of things happen naturally and have happened before, but that doesn't mean they're good. One of the really aggravating things about the global warming deniers is that they pretend that if it's not happening due to human causes, it's normal and should just be allowed to go on. But it will likely be disastrous for us regardless, and even if warming is the natural trend, there's no denying that we are making it far worse.
yes i know go over to www.shawnwasson.com and check out the latest example of winger attempts to discredit.
The thing about global warming, besides that it makes life hell on earth, with huge areas suddenly underwater, and screwy rainfall, and the mass extinctions, is that it will bring on another ice age, and even more extinctions. If there are things we can do to mitigate, it's outright insane not to. There is NO question that it is happening! There is a broad consensus that we have contributed to it, if not caused it, and that there are things we can do (and not do) to mitigate or reverse the trend. So the hell what if we can't drive our SUVs anymore! Gee, even if they're all wrong, what are we left with? A cleaner planet, a healthier ecosystem, far less agonies for living things, and a globe full of people who have made common cause... had to stop fighting to do it, too. Damn.
We cannot afford to be skeptical about it! Period.
We gotta wake up! We gotta wake up! I'm turning into a conspiracy theorist, worrying about what they put in those chemtrails! Sleeping powder?
PurplePatriot @ 39:
Ok I guess I am qualified to be an anyone.
A few thoughts.
How long does a mini ice age last?
How much of our currently used land will become uninhabitable?
Is it possible that there may be large changes as a result like an axis tilt. We have had them in the past. Was it because of ice ages?
How many species will be killed off? There are diamond mines and oil wells in some pretty cold places like northern Canada and Siberia. Must have been a lot warmer there and had a lot of animals at one time.
A foot note to the last:
The earth is 4.5 billion years old. We have a half assed idea what has happened in the last billions years. Science has proven that the needed ingredients for life have been around for at least 3 billion years. Only idiots that think the earth came into being 6000 years ago would have such a narrow minded point of view that global warming or civilizations can not have an impact on the planet. For all we know there could have been many different intelligent races that have come and gone on this planet. Like the old saying, it would be a huge waste of space if we are the only life in the universe. The same can be applied to our planet. It just sat around for 90% of its history waiting for man to show up? Considering how the plates shift and every thing sinks and comes up again in the future, it is not surprising that there are limited things to find to verify anything.
The issue with Climate Change is that it happens slowly over decades. So it's easy for skeptics to dismiss it. They say, "sea levels aren't increasing, land masses are sinking from the weight of increased populations." Well, climate change won't have too much of an impact on one generation but it will over several generations.
I read the Malkin blogger comments on the issue and those people are clueless. Comments like "it's no big deal, polar bears can swim." That's the kind of scientific illiteracy we are dealing with and Bush and Cheney lead by example in that regard.
Did they get a brain cramp and forget about CFCs and the global support to end the use or aerosols?
Gore just didn't step into the Climate Change issue so he would have something to do after he left office. He spents years as a Senator studying the issue.
The wingers can complain all they want but the fact is they are the ones responsible for putting a muzzle on NASA scientists who have scientific data proving climate change. I worked on-site at NASA for several years designing graphics, posters and presentations on the subject. It's real. And the stunts they pulled to keep it out from public view was also real.
The right wingers complain about the economic impact but the economic impact will be larger once the earth's atmosphere is moderately to severely out of sync (crop and fishery losses, increases in the invasions of non-native plants and insects, migration changes in birds and animals, seasonal and tidal changes, skin damage and cancer increases, etc). I guess they figure they will just adapt to it and say it's a normal climatic cycle. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
So there is nothing wrong with holding a public forum in the form of concerts to get the word out. The question to ask the wingers is what are they doing to reverse the effects of pollution (I won't mention "climate change", lets keep it simple and on their cranial level and call it "pollution") instead of causing noise pollution on the subject.
soothsayer @ 44:
Well that's pretty low because Coulter doesn't have any charisma. She's a hag. There is nothing refined about either of them. Surly little c_ _ts.
Look, reasonable people may disagree what is gonna happen for the next 500 years or so if we continue pumping carbon into the atmosphere at the rate we are now (or more likely an explosively increasing rate - as we are now). I personally believe that it is too complicated to predict based on our current state of knowledge - except that I would be willing to bet anything that none of us would voluntarily choose that future.
I consider this scenario likely. First (as predicted) it gets a lot hotter. This ain't gonna be nice. Rainfall patterns will change and formerly fertile areas become deserts. Sea levels will rise and coastal areas flooded. This would create enough havoc all by itself - but wars will result.
Second, the mini ice age referred to by purple will occur - again changing growing patterns and driving more expenditure of hydrocarbons. More war.
Then if our atmosphere is still breathable, the warming trend begins again - maybe this time it doesn't stop and we wind up with a runaway greenhouse effect - like Venus. It's hot enough to melt lead there. Eventually that will be our fate - if we don't stop the cycle now!
100 years from now? 1000? I don't know and nobody else does either. I'd really rather not use the planet I and my descendants have to live on as a laboratory to find out.
It was wonderful hearing treason called treason. Did anyone see the NBC telecast? I missed it and wonder if RFK Jr's fantastic speech made onto the broadcast.
RFK's voice is still terrible but he said it all anyway,
John Stossel (the least of them) and the usual suspects.
Behind her big mouth Malkin is just a petulant little girl.
I seen the video where she was presented her book
on internment for signing and, of coarse, she just ran away
from the bad liberal man who wasn't chasing her for the usual reasons.
She was at a conservative rally and wasn't expecting to see her own
book used against her.
UnEasyOne @ 79:
I've talked to several people who watched Live Earth on tv and nobody saw it. So I'm beginning to think it didn't air....
Malkin must idolize Coulter. If I heard those two have a conversation, my head would explode.
It seems there were some copyright issues with this vid.
You can always tell when the right wingers are feeling threatened. They act like cornered wild animals, more desparate, more shrill, more hostile, more belligerent, more obnoxious, and more irrational. We just need to keep our heads and keep pushing back hard. Honesty, reason, and science are on our side.
Just a side note......I believe NBC deliberately censored Melissa Etheridge's portion of the concert. I taped over 7 1/2 hours and no Melissa Etheridge, despite the fact that other groups were shown multiple times, and despite the fact that she wrote the theme song for An Inconvenient Truth. I was able to see Etheridge on the Internet and thought she gave a powerful and moving performance. She was also more political than the others in her message. Anyone else notice this???
Purple, don't think of it as global warming. That's basically just a marketing term because human beings are mostly too f--king stupid to concentrate longer on a problem than a cocker spaniel. It's true that the globe is warming, but that's not the biggest problem. As the globe warms, what we really get is climatic instability, of such intensity that it can safely be called climatic chaos, without really being wildly hyperbolic. So yes, the planet warms, the ice-cap melts, the Gulf Stream stops flowing. In the Northeast, we start to have winters that resemble the winters in Leningrad--roughly, 20 degrees below zero, for months at a time. And when the winters aren't freezing Boston Harbor over, the summers will be baking Maine and turning the midwest corn-belt into a desert.
Anyone happen to swallow hard and read some of the comments on Malkin's blog? Whew...! Here are a couple of examples.
I was there with my wife...and it was great! One of the best experiences of our lives. I'd say about 40% of the audience was there for the message, to see Gore, enjoy the music & support environmental causes (Sierra Club, among others were there with several other organizations putting out great information). Then I'd say about 60% were there for the festivities & music, and were exposed to great messages & hopefully awakened enough to start acting. Some would say that's not good...but I disagree with that. Had the concert been 100% there for the cause of the environment...then it would have been purely 'preaching to the choir'....so I'm kind of happy the crowd was comprised as it was.
Like the hope the concert inspired...hopefully the action will follow. Easily the best audience participation was when Bon Jovi was on stage, that was 'electric'... I can wholeheartedly say that the concert went out of its way to be as green an event as possible, the Giants stadium workers were all excellent about keeping things orderly & the Live Earth events people were outstanding. Fortunately for those who went, they have all of the concert's video clips up on their site http://liveearth.msn.com/?vendor=google&pkw=MSN_live_Earth&refcd=GO00042...
Jane Goodall, James Hansen, & Robert F Kennedy were all excellent and the crowd payed attention to them & reacted well during their speaches, as well as Melissa Etheridge's statements...which not suprisingly the right wingnut noise machine was upset about. Of course they're upset....their evil driven stupidity agenda and contempt for the future was exposed and hopefully viewed by 2 Billion people...
To those who STILL are morons and are global warming deniers...there are fewer of you idiots in the world now and my sincere hope is that you become extinct sooner, rather than later...for the future's sake...
BTW - our (wife & I) carbon footprint has been off set...and we're going to plant those Evergreen seeds we received at the concert tomorrow (again, excellent marketing by the Live Earth folks & MSN)
I believe that republicans would embrace the Global Warming theory if they could figure out a way to put a republican label on it.
They embraced the 'socialist' Social Security by attempting to hijack it. They added drug benefits (a disaster) making it a republican plan, and if you heard Sen Chuck Hagel on Meet the Press yesterday, he definitely sounds like John Murtha, never mentioning him, instead referring to what Dominici, Lugar and Voinovich said. He talked about Redeployment and withdrawal, also about the US being looked upon as occupiers, how this war has damaged our military and how the world wants us to withdraw, and we can't do anything in that regional conflict.
Wait and see, they are going to want to take any reduction or termination of the war in Iraq and make it their own.
Give them an opening and let them co-sponsor Global Warming, and they'll run with it.
PurplePatriot @ 39
If you're serious and want to know more...this is one of the best sites to go to (and yes...they let right wingnuts (I know you're not one) and dissenters post their comments...which are easily defused & answered with factual data)...
http://www.realclimate.org/
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/
Also...if anyone is still on the fence about this stuff...you have two choices...its really very simple...
A) You can believe ExxonMobil, Big Oil & Coal (& their world record industry breaking profits which are at risk), CEI & AEI (shillco fronts for aforementioned industries), right wingnut noise machine apologist flat earthers (Malkin, Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh) that all receive funding from aforementioned industries (google it), scientists that have to be paid to lie because their 'science' isn't factual enough on its own 'merits' http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,2004399,00.html
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/American_Enterprise_Institute_offers_1...
B) You can believe NASA, thousands of climate scientists that have dedicated their lives to studying climate change & its impact - 99% of them have concluded man made contributions are destroying the balance of the ecosystem (in essence life on earth), IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/ , hundreds of CEOs & Fortune 500 board members that have accepted this as fact and have begun changing strategic business decisions because of it http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15051506/global_warming_a_rea... , Pentagon - http://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles_2004/pentagon_report_global_warming...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html , Ford GM Chrysler http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentID=5828 , Insurance Industry http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2005/05/profits_of_doom.html ...
I could really keep going....but I'm hoping my point is hitting home...
Man made global warming contributions are destroying the natural balance.... a poor choice of marketing (terming it 'global warming')....but it is an undeniable (for those in the fact, reality based community) danger to the earth that must be confronted & stopped, for the future's sake.
HERE'S THE SUBSTITUTE FOR THE VIDEO THEY TOOK DOWN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heku9oTLysg
Nate @ 88:
Chip @ 76:
ROFL!
But perhaps I shouldn't get entertainment out of this..
Yep, must be sad to be reality challenged...
Thing Fish @ 60:
Okay. I realize this thread is dead; but I couldn't resist ...
Cool! Less traffic.
How is this for a retirement epiphany?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070608/news_lz1e8boston.html
Time for the truth about the Liberty
By Ward Boston Jr.
June 8, 2007
Forty years ago this week, I was asked to investigate the heaviest attack on an American ship since World War II. As senior legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry, it was my job to help uncover the truth regarding Israel’s June 8, 1967, bombing of the Navy intelligence ship Liberty.
On that sunny, clear day 40 years ago, Israel’s combined air and naval forces attacked the Liberty for two hours, inflicting 70 percent casualties. Thirty-four American sailors died, and 172 were injured. The Liberty remained afloat only by the crew’s heroic efforts.
Israel claimed it was an accident. Yet I know from personal conversations with the late Adm. Isaac C. Kidd – president of the Court of Inquiry – that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of “mistaken identity.”
The ensuing cover-up has haunted us for 40 years. What does it imply for our national security, not to mention our ability to honestly broker peace in the Middle East, when we cannot question Israel’s actions – even when they kill Americans?
Today, survivors of Israel’s cruel attack will gather in Washington, D.C., to honor their dead shipmates as well as the mothers, sisters, widows and children they left behind. They will continue to ask for a fair and impartial congressional inquiry that, for the first time, would allow the survivors themselves to testify publicly.
For decades, I have remained silent. I am a military man, and when orders come in from the secretary of defense and president of the United States, I follow them. However, attempts to rewrite history and concern for my country compel me to share the truth.
Adm. Kidd and I were given only one week to gather evidence for the Navy’s official investigation, though we both estimated that a proper Court of Inquiry would take at least six months.
We boarded the crippled ship at sea and interviewed survivors. The evidence was clear. We both believed with certainty that this attack was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.
I am certain the Israeli pilots and commanders who had ordered the attack knew the ship was American. I saw the bullet-riddled American flag that had been raised by the crew after their first flag had been shot down completely. I heard testimony that made it clear the Israelis intended there be no survivors. Not only did they attack with napalm, gunfire and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned at close range three life rafts that had been launched in an attempt to save the most seriously wounded.
I am outraged at the efforts of Israel’s apologists to claim this attack was a case of “mistaken identity.”
Adm. Kidd told me that after receiving the president’s cover-up orders, he was instructed to sit down with two civilians from either the White House or the Department of Defense and rewrite portions of the court’s findings. He said, “Ward, they’re not interested in the facts. It’s a political matter, and we cannot talk about it.” We were to “put a lid on it” and caution everyone involved never to speak of it again.
I know that the Court of Inquiry transcript that has been released to the public is not the same one that I certified and sent to Washington. I know this because it was necessary, due to the exigencies of time, to hand-correct and initial a substantial number of pages. I have examined the released version of the transcript and did not see any pages that bore my hand corrections and initials. Also, the original did not have any deliberately blank pages, as the released version does. In addition, the testimony of Lt. Lloyd Painter concerning the deliberate machine-gunning of the life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which I distinctly recall being given at the Court of Inquiry and including in the original transcript, is now missing.
I join the survivors in their call for an honest inquiry. Why is there no room to question Israel – even when it kills Americans – in the halls of Congress?
Let the survivors testify. Let me testify. Let former intelligence officers testify that they received real-time Hebrew translations of Israeli commanders instructing their pilots to sink “the American ship.”
Surely uncovering the truth about what happened to American servicemen in a bloody attack is more important than protecting Israel. And surely 40 years is long enough to wait.
Boston served as chief counsel to the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the attack on the U.S. Navy intelligence ship Liberty. He also served as a naval aviator in World War II on the carrier Yorktown and as an FBI agent prior to his assignment to the Navy’s Judge Advocates General Corps. He is a graduate of the the College of William and Mary School of Law and a resident of Coronado.
Love when the Wing-nutO's are seething over the truth.
I loved watching this on BRAVO CNBC and NBC all day and night 7-7-2007!!! More of this please!!! It has raised awareness. People were talking about it in the Barbershop on Sunday!!! Music what a great way to start the conversation.
99 @ 5:
And then the Revolution where stoped by Microsoft *sigh* =)
The time for debate is over. The world is flat.
I haven't made up my mind yet. Too many talking heads. But I will refer those who would like other thoughts on Global Warming, to look at Alexander Cockburn's website http://www.counterpunch.org/. Also, his writings in The Nation. One more thing: beyond the arguments for or against man's impact on global warming are these indisputable facts-- our carbon emissions are poisonous and mans pollution is making large parts of the earth uninhabitable. Witness the increases in asthma and other illnesses in air polluted cities; see the dead parts of the oceans and mercury poisoning of fish and then into humans. Global warming aside we need stronger laws and efforts to curb man from killing the earth.
Nicki
It's not stopped!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Heku9oTLysg
and http://www.bradblog.com has it up all pretty too!
THE REVOLUTION SO TOTALLY IS NOW!
An object at rest will tend to stay at rest.
A conservative parasite will tend to remain a parasite unless you threaten to take something away from it. Then it will only act enough to ensure that it can remain a parasite.
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