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By Nicole Belle Saturday Aug 04, 2007 10:39pmMedia Bloodhound: NBC Ignores Kucinich's Grilling of Rumsfeld
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Media Bloodhound: NBC Ignores Kucinich's Grilling of Rumsfeld
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Franken!
Question:Isn't it pretty safe to say, at this point, that our government, our media, and our culture are all... broken?
I think that the link is broken...
You will never get a straight answer from Rumsfeld on anything, ever. He's not capable of honesty at this point in his wretched life.
I've heard of the Rendon Group. They are the White House's Ministry of Information.
Clavis @ 2:
A BIG YES to that,but after the FISA votes this week,it may not be safe to say it.
While the intent of the corporate media is clear, to serve as gatekeeper for the "legitimate" candidates, there is always a possible way around them.
In the late 60s, various movements and individuals got around the corporate media gatekeepers. (Yes, they existed then also.) When that happened, mostly by accident, suddenly the public became aware of alternatives that had been kept from them, and almost overnight large new constituencies were created.
This could happen with Kucinich. If the American people suddenly realized that a real anticorporate and antiwar alternative existed, he could knock out the anointed Dems. After all, Hillary Clinton may be strong, but she's certainly no Lyndon Johnson. And in part this could happen because most US voters don't even really know Kucinich exists, and certainly not that he is articulate, intelligent, and courageous.
Dennis is the man! What a rotten POS Rummy is. Constant pressure should be put on the White House for them to release Tillman documents and to not let them get away with claiming executive privilege.
sully18 @ 5:
LOL Thanks for a big laugh on that. I have to laugh or else I'll cry.
The media is biased. Watch the nightly news on the big three. Mostly what is reported is fluff pieces. The real news of the day, the lies of the members of this administration, the cover ups and the misuse of Executive privlege are glossed over or not reported
Boy, these repugs will do anything to keep the truth from getting out. My vote would be to [Deleted. Please don't advocate violence on this site-Sitemonitor] period.
Clavis @ 2:
I think it's been "fixed"
These fools don't realize that they will never outrun the truth, because the more they lie the more their lies lose traction. Fuck them.
Arms and gun runners are getting rich off this war on terror as well as war profiteers. This is the downsize of outsourcing the military. War becomes a balance sheet for big corporations. Profits and politics interfere with military strategies and objectives.
L Yates at #6
Well said.
Katrina victims are still stuck in trailers. Karzai says we're getting nowhere in finding Bin Laden. More legal battles ahead?
These guys (guys like Rumsfeld) just can't seem to give a straight answer until you practically hold them up to the evidence and force their eyes open to look at it and it has their name all over it.
Rumsfeld knew what was going on in the Army in this regard - he was the Sec Def for Christs sake. Dumb-as-a-brick may work for Gonzo as he is still useful to the admin, but Rumsfeld is out - there will be no protection for him. I'm glad Kucinich did not let him play the disingenuous "I don't know what they do" card and forced admittal. It was obvious Rumsfeld knew of the program (and it's doings) when he finally mentioned knowledge of the group outsourced for that purpose.
And oh yeah, why am I not really surprised the media did not cover this?
You know, I wrote a little ditty today about our problem with catastrophe that I wish some people would read. It's short.
The media always ignores Kucinich - probably because he's not quite the corporate tool. I hate the way the media seems to choose the candidates. A person shouldn't get to be president based on how much money they can raise or how much attention they can get. It's pretty sickening. What ever happened to qualifications?
God Rumsfield is such a DICK!
Kucinich is the voice of courage, logic and sensibility. he is definitely the alternative to the popular. If the Democrats want a real change.....We can not allow the MEDIA to dictate what options we have as a candidate. They have been wrong all along. Dennis has been RIGHT from the start. From the War in IRAQ to the U.S. Constitution.
Media will only support the candidates that raise the most campaign money to pay for political advertisement. Election Season is their way of acquiring those millions of dollars the politicians and their party raised. It doesn't matter what the consequences it has on the nation. Exploit the party and politicians with the most money. And when a media is able to market a politician and deliver a "WIN" on election season.......then they can charge what ever they want. They (the media) earned the millions and will also win the AD campaign for the next election season.
Voter should pay attention to the candidates. They should learn who their contributors are. But most important.......find out their voting history and vote on the politician with a platform that is compatible to yours. DON'T BE SWAYED by popularity. YOUR VOTE is WORTH MORE THAN the campaign money from the top 1% earners of our population.
It is time to OUTSMART the CORPORATE misconduct......................THEY ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR INTEREST. They simply want to continue to have the POWER to control YOU, our GOVERNMENT and our POLITICAL LEADERS. And SOME of them rose to the top not because they were noble but because big corporation paid to help them get to where they are at. FAVORS have to be paid thereafter to enrich them and to increase their corporate bottom line.
WE the PEOPLE need to bring our government back to focus on their constituent. WE HAVE THE VOTES. Don't give it away freely. IF you don't think the top tier candidates is going to work for you.......then don't be afraid to vote independently for the one that you believe will work for you. If WE all think this way, then we will get the right person to lead this nation.
you will never get a straight answer from Rumsfeld on anything. you will never get the truth from this bastard. if you noticed the detail he had for one answer that was inconsequential, but the usual bushshit answer, I don't recall for all the others.
with all the basic rights to freedom of speech taken away now and shit-for-brains making it a crime to dissent on the war, it will take more than gitmo to house all those who will soon speak up for our lost constitutional rights. bush/chaney are fascists.
I don't understand why Kucinich is not more vocally supported by the left blogosphere. Whether it's Iraq or warrantless wiretapping or impeaching Cheney, Kucinich consistently takes the positions that I hear the majority on here clamoring for. So where's the love???
Just about everyone I know is for Kucinich, but write him off because of the coverage, and that he will never get the primary. I kind of wonder if he is the one to get, and people let go of the fact that MSnbc, and cbs, and any other major network wont cover him, and keep focusing on Hillary and Obama, to vote what the blogger seems to suggest. The other thing I like about Kucinich is that he seems pretty stable all of his career, and consistent.
Give it to 'em, Dennis...This lil guy has some huge cajones...A true American. Enough is enough..get rid of these idiots.. have you heard....
The Statements Don Rumsfeld did not say on Camera
or the latest press conference of the 4th Branch
4th Branch addresses Dennis Kucinich and Impeachment
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Ahmed_Ch...
Here's a bit on the Rendon Group. Paid for by the Pentagon and the CIA. During the 1st Gulf War, Kuwait picked up the tab.
Fucking liars.
You're all active democrats, right? Tell me how excatly you differ from the republicans?
[Not everyone who posts or visits here is a Democrat. That's a specious assumption on your part-Sitemonitor]
It is amazing that it is the US policy to increase the chances of
accidental nuclear war. This has been commented on in depth in my
blog. Why isn't anyone doing anything about this insanity? We should start a campaign to change the policy. I think the arguments in my blog can help. Or would you prefer that we all be annihilated? It is not only Bush, it is all those who can act, like you, but are not. [Don't come to this site to scold-Sitemonitor]
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baby jesus is thinking of completely re-tooling
maybe something with less of a cortex and more hormonal control
might be more interesting to observe
baby jesus will start fresh after the neo-nuclear war
The Reality @ 27:
i second the site monitor's comment.
some of use defy definition.
seems this election might also. looks like we are all in for a big show the next couple years.
The Reality @ 27:
Uh, male democrats don't have to pay for sex and female democrats actually enjoy it.
[Damn, strawberry. I wish I'd thought of that-Sitemonitor]
Lefty @ 22:
The Left Blogosphere is NOT the bastion of progressive thinking and action they want you to think they are.
The LEADING blogs, as evidenced at Y2Koz, are mainstreaming themselves as fast as they can.
Read Driftglass' take on it all . . . hell, just read the blogs.
They continue to support white bread and butter, down the line.
There's a lot of noise, but, the blogosphere mainstream is not about revolution, it's about becoming something and it's about itself . . . it's NOT about the poor, working poor, or even the progressive disenfranchised 'dirty fuckin hippie's' they purport themselves to be MODELED after.
There's room among the blogosphere, NOW, for someone to stand up, and make a stand, and SAY something, and voice a 'call to arms' as it were, for defending the masses against the 1%'ers.
The MSM Blogosphere is NOT making that call . . . they are NOT progressive.
And that's why Kuch and Edwards (dream team) are shut out, not by the MSM, but by the Blogs.
They're killin our own revolution. They have become as traitourous to change, as the dem's and pub's are.
Harumph.
NBC Ignores Kucinich’s Grilling of Rumsfeld
I think that is a bit harsh, after all the CNN's and MSNBC's only have 24 hours a day, 365 days a year to cover the news. When are they supposed to fit in such things in their busy schedule? There's just so little time left after covering what Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton are doing each day.
If you cannot see the collusion between the MSM and the GOP you are blind. We all know that a grilling like that does catch the public eye when it is aired you cannot tell me it is about ratings. They flat out ignore very damaging news when it effects the GOP and have it on front and center when its Democratic dirty laundry.
I supported Kucinich in '04, and I'll be supporting him again this cycle. He's one of very few democrats that haven't been bought by corporate interests. Sadly, this is also why he will never get elected.
There's a HUGE conflict of interest here. After all, why would massive conglomerates like GE want to give the spotlight to someone who wants to end the corporate stranglehold on our government?
Kucinich is the only true progressive running, as far as I can tell. He's everything the democrats SHOULD be.
I like DK but he couldn't stop Rummy from wandering down a path that leads to useless information.
I am still holding out for Gore.
33 Smack_dab you made me laugh
and the sad thing is that since Dennis is not easy on the eyes like the "girls" you referenced (and I'm sure it was an oversight that you left our Britney and Nicole and the rest of the skanks), the MSM has decreed that Merkins couldn't support someone short and funny looking when there are so many sleek, pretty and empty suits and pants suits out there to look at and vote for
Yeah Kucinich! Too bad he cannot be heard over the propagandists.
By the way, how many fuck-ups does an administration have to make before they are universally recognized as FAILURES? How much disinformation must they spew before they are recognized as INSINCERE? I am sick of watching they media pretend that all is ok and within the norm.
If the war does not end under this administration, we are going to have to listen to all of these neo-con ghouls and their talking head buddies in the media give their "expert" advice and critique about how to manage the war throughout the next administration. You know, they will put out their plan on how they would have done things better. I have a feeling they will find no trouble finding a microphone.
Herbert @ 36:
Note in clip how Rummy cuts Kucinich off to blather on about an unimportant discussion of press policy between DOD and WH (derrr, what should we call this war?)
Dennis is not easy on the eyes ...-------------------------
Thank goodness. Looking for a guy that the girls would love and vote for is the strategy that gave America Dan Quayle. Unfortunately, at this point DQ would probably be a huge improvement.
Answer to the best of his ability. What if his ability is to weasel out of answering the question. Kucinich persues a good line of questioning, because outsourcing the military has been an unmitigated disaster, and Rumsfeld was brought in specifically to privatize anything not nailed to the floor in the pentagon. They'll try to pin it on a private firm so that none of the actors have any personal liability.
Then why the hell is Bush withholding information of this young mans case?. If there is not reason to hide anything and the white house had no involvement of any kind, why the hell is he refusing to provide whatever evidence he may have that could lead to the truth.
These bastards are lying like the snakes they are and I hope that Mrs. Tillman, continues to keep foot in all of their asses, until she gets the truth about her son.
This is so wrong for the so called President of the United States to be withholding evidence of a crime.
And this fool is still in office is just unforgivable.
mark @ 10:
Is this what you would have told the founding fathers ih 1776.
Here's a good online movie about some of the young men and women coming home from Iraq and how their conscious is finally kicking, causing them to reflect on all the death and destruction that they participated in, and questioning whether what they did was really for a good cause or not. It's moving.
The Ground Truth (2006)
Expect more and more of these stories to emerge from veterans and eventually the Iraqi people.
Otay @ 16:
He needs to waterboarded. Anything he says, will be used against him.
Wow, I think Kucinich just got himself a lot further with the netroots. Never mind if the MSM ignored this grilling - it will be played over and over on the net. Good for him!
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by Sgt. Kevin Benderman
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/9158
I love Dennis. I don't think he's even partly "presidential" and I don't think he even wants to be president, because he can be serious as a heart attack, very impressively so, at will, and chooses not to when he's running for president. I laughed and laughed and laughed, lovingly, at this Indecision 2008 Caption Contest Winner... but the truth inhering it is that, even when showing clearly that he is the best human running, he doesn't come off as someone strong enough, tough enough, for the job. He's an extemely intelligent man. I gotta think he knows this perfectly well, chooses to sing goofy songs on his campaign stops, and runs just so he can keep his issues on the table.
I'm voting for Kucinich in the primaries if anyone else wins I'm voting for Nader. Before any of you sorry ass diehard Democrats lay your Kang and Kodos go ahead and waste your vote on me. Maybe you should think about fielding more palatable candidates. Your freaking hero Jim Webb sure showed his stripes didn't he. Or how about that wunderkind Casey. Get real. I'm not voting for Paul Hindenberg.
yeranalyst @ 49:
Good for you. I'm not voting for any of my three Democrats in the 110th ever again either. They want to dis the Constitution and let hundreds of thousands die while they make their play for 2008, they are not going to get rewarded for it by me. Personally, I'm hoping Al Gore will be the Green Party candidate.
If any of these neo-con fuckers were to give a straight and honest answer, I don't know who would die first.
Them, because it would take wild horses to drag it out of them or me out of shock.
I hate donald rumsfeld. I really really do. The only solice I have is that he will go to the Hell that exists, not the one he wants.
Why isn't Congress holding those who just can't remember in contempt for a few weeks? Maybe some quiet reflection in a jail cell will be just the help they need to refresh their memory.
That we see one branch of government having to be so confrontational with another just to try to get the truth is a very sad thing to see and should set off alarm bells with every American.
Until these liars and traitors start feeling that they are in real danger, that they stand a real chance of facing the punishments they truly deserve for their crimes, they'll never come clean.
Tequila @ 15:
This reads like a haiku.
Thanks for sharing this!
Why can't any of these guys ever answer a question with a simple answer, rather than with "smoke and mirrors" and shit that has nothing to do with the question???
Good for DK despite his questioning not being on the boob tube! ; )
I want to VENT something:
I read that the new French President went BALLISTIC cause some cameramen and/or paparazzi were taking his picture, LEGALLY, while he was on vacation, i think in New Hampshire... and Sarkozy stormed onto the photog's boat, SCREAMING SCREAMING SCREAMING at them for "ruining his vacation", "disturbing his tranquality with his family", etc.
Don't cha think he should have though about that BEFORE he SOUGHT out a PUBLIC LIFE???
Asshole.
From a psychological perspective, the Bush administration promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead to Petraeus' September report and beyond, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. I examine these warmongering appeals--and how to counter them--in a 10-minute video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War” available for viewing HERE.
poor grumpy rummy. he said several times in this hearing that there was no paper evidence,witness or other statement to back up the accusations of a coverup. i sure hope he is proven wrong. the most important thing is that there was never a real denial of a coverup, just a denail that he or the others at the table had anything to do with a cover up. just like the firing of the judges, someone change an eye witness's testimony and the coverup began yet in both cases the men at the top of each department do not know who or how it happpened. yeah right.
I've talked to a wide variety of people about Kucinich. After reading his policies and hearing his credentials, all of them agreed he was their favorite candidate. Conversely, I haven't talked to anyone (Democrat, Republican, or Independent) that has expressed any enthusiasm for Obama or Clinton. It's like this in the Repub primary as well. The only buzz is about Paul, who's star seems to be setting. Kucinich is the actionable candidate. He's well spoken, but he's not condescending. He's an insiring speaker, and he has a keen grasp of the issues.
The general feeling I got, however, was that he was too easy to caricaturize on FoxNews. His views were too "extreme". That is to say, they were moderate, populist views, long demonized by the Repub noise machine. It's my opinion, however, that he's the perfect anti-Fox candidate. He's cool-headed, focused, and articulate. I'd put him up against 20 O'Riellys.
He's the only candidate that's actually trying to move forward the progressive change that Americans thirst for.
The enemy to this country isn't the religious right or the Republican creed. The enemy is an oil and war funded media-opoly that's ALREADY taken over our political machine. They are the ones setting the rhetoric for both sides of this debate, leaving the majority of us scratching our heads. Why do you think Congress' rating is so low? They haven't changed at all since the election, so it's certainly not because they're too radical.
This is it for me. If Kucinich doesn't win the primary, I'll stand by him as an independent. The Dems need to wake up and get back on the track they're supposed to be riding. Don't you remember why Nader jacked them in the 2000 election? They were so busy trying to be "centrist" that they just ended up pandering to the Repub base.
Anyhow, that's enough venting for now. Go Kucinich!
What happened to the Barry Bonds story.
Bonds cheats just like rummy.
No story there.
Tim in Japan,
"You go to hell with the hell you have, not the one you want."
Should be pretty clear why NBC/ABC/CBS didn't cover this. This was the pointed questioning of the DOD and WH manipulation and control of the press. Why would those press outlets cover the fact they've been butt boys for the last 7 years?
My favorite part was when Rummy, the paranoid fuck he is, says "you don't have a shred of evidence there was a cover-up". ANY time someone says "you can't prove that" instead of "that's absolutely false" means it's true, and they believe they have destroyed all the evidence. The burning of Tillman's personal effects, and gagging of his comrades is very good indication that Rummy did a lot of evidence destruction. The "executive privilege" claims by chimpy go further to show that the cover-up was discussed at the WH and probably ordered or agreed to by the president.
None of this will ever see the light of day, Rummy told you as much already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8iEA_5oA0
my response to the Kucinich grilling
By the way, Rumsfeld works directly for Cheney. Cheney does not have to list his employees or their pay rates.
Daily Reading pt 1...
Unqualified to Protect America, The Bush Administration Must Be Removed From Office to Improve Our National Security: "Weapons Given to Iraq Are Missing: GAO Estimates 30% of Arms Are Unaccounted For." They are, No Doubt, Being Used to Kill Our Soldiers. Bush is a Detriment to Our Personal Well-Being.
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/05/AR200708...
What the Democrats Enable By Cowering Before a Bunch of Crooks. Busheviks Use FBI to Raid Possible Whistleblower, Who May Have Heroically Leaked the Existence of Bushevik Illegal Spying on Americans. This is What Used to Happen in the Soviet Union. The Democratic Leadership is Letting the Republicans Sovietize America. Weep for This Tyrannical Tragedy, as the Weak Democrats Play the Role of the Pro-Democracy Party in the Weimar Republic, Who Gave up the Power of the State to....Well, You Know Who.
- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20121795/site/newsweek/
Switzerland: "But the 3.4 magnitude tremor on the evening of Dec. 8 was no ordinary act of nature: It had been accidentally triggered by engineers drilling deep into the Earth's crust to tap its inner heat and thus break new ground — literally — in the world's search for new sources of energy." - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070804/ap_on_sc/drilling_for_heat;_ylt=Aoa_...
Why birth control, why right to abortion....because this planet is not sustainable where we're headed...unless we change the way we live, and for those that refuse to adapt, its going to get real expensive sooner, rather than later...
AMERICAN ENERGY INDEPENDENCE...
Lake Superior changes mystify scientists - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_sc/superior_puzzle;_ylt=Au79YG...
Deep enough to hold the combined water in all the other Great Lakes and with a surface area as large as South Carolina, Lake Superior's size has lent it an aura of invulnerability. But the mighty Superior is losing water and getting warmer, worrying those who live near its shores, scientists and companies that rely on the lake for business.along Superior's shores, boats can't reach many mooring sites.
The Owl and the Forest - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/opinion/05sun3.html?ex=1343966400&en=f...
Listed as an endangered species in 1990, the owl triggered a series of court cases that halted logging in millions of acres of old-growth forests and led President Clinton to put those acres permanently off limits. For a bird that few people have ever actually seen, the spotted owl has done as much as any other creature to save the American landscape.
The timber industry and the Bush administration are now trying to use the spotted owl’s new troubles to reverse more than a decade of sound environmental policy. Industry sees no reason why it cannot cut the trees where the spotted owl used to live. The Bush administration — overriding, once again, the advice of its scientists — is trying to shrink the land set aside for the owl’s recovery to free up more of the forest for logging. (See Klamath River Fish Kill ala Cheney 2002)
Climate Change Threatens Siberian Forests - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070731191203.htm
"Last century a typical forest in Siberia had about 100 years after a fire to recover before it burned again. But new observations by Russian scientist Dr Kharuk have shown that fire now returns more frequently, about every 65 years. At the same time annual temperatures in Siberia have risen by almost two degrees Celsius, about twice as fast as the global average. And since 1990 the warming of Siberia has become even faster than before."
Daily Reading pt 2...
Afghan 'victory' could take 38 years - http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2141901,00.html
British troops could remain in Afghanistan for more than the 38 years it took them to pull out of Northern Ireland. That is the bleak assessment by Army commanders on the ground in Helmand province. Unfortunately, this is just what Bush-Cheney and their friends in the Military Industrial Complex are hoping for.
Game Over: The U.S. is unlikely to ever regain its broadband leadership? - http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070803_002641.html
The 'free market' monopolies have all the power in the hands of the few....the myth of the corporatists, is on display yet again...
Candidates line up to visit Jon Stewart - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_en_tv/tv_stewart_candidates;_y...
"Neither Stewart nor Stephen Colbert will be involved in a politically-themed concert tour that Comedy Central will sponsor next year, but frequent guest Lewis Black will."
Crazy for God: "How I Helped Found the Religious Right and Ruin America" is the title of a new book by Frank Schaeffer - http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/8/3/13819/83631
Thompson-Brownback: The GOP's '08 Ticket? - http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/8/5/85647/37604
If true...and the voting machines are rigged again/the Rovebots in US attorney positions enable it to happen...then the calendar of america will be set back to 1808....
Some Actual Good News, Although It Probably Won't Pass the Senate -- and Bush Would Veto It Anyway. After All, It's About Making Oil Companies Actually Reduce Their Windfall Profits. - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070805/ap_on_go_co/congress_energy;_ylt=Att...
House OKs new taxes on oil companies....making them actually have to pay for repairs to their own refineries...oh...the horror...
The Real Reason The Right Wingnuts Hate YearlyKos and BuzzFlash - http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2007/08/real-reason-wingnuts-hate-ye...
Once upon a time, it was easy to be a GOP propagandist. Up until the mid-1990s, Republicans could spew out lies all day long and rarely had to worry about any watchdogs holding them accountable. With the dawn of the Web, it began to dawn on the GOP propagandists that they were no longer able to spew out lies without being challenged.
Daily Reading pt 3...
"Comprehending the $1 Trillion War" - http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2007...
Funding the war through borrowing shifts the burden of paying for it onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. A war tax would ensure that our generation at least pays for its own mistakes.
I CALCULATED that by dropping $100 bills into a fire at the rate of one every second it would take almost 317 years to burn up $1 trillion.
GOP Governor in Minnesota Vetoed Bill to Make Bridges Safer: "In May, Pawlenty vetoed a transportation bill that included a 7.5- cent-per-gallon gasoline tax hike, calling the increase "an unnecessary and onerous burden." That bill also included a mandate for yearly inspection of state bridges, which under current law must be inspected at least every two years. DFLers' attempt to override the veto failed. - http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1343631.html
"Thanks to 40 Democratic members of the House and the Democratic leadership in the Senate, the FISA Absolute Power bill has now passed. I promise you that whatever tiny restriction the Congress managed to put on the Absolute Power bill, the Decider will attach a signing statement to it making sure that that he gets every inch that he pretended to give. This Congress is a disgrace. Compared to the Congress before it, which redefined corruption and took it to whole new levels, the Democratic Congress is the culture of cowardice and compromised people."
- http://www.atlargely.com/2007/08/its-official-we.html
It's official, we are police state... "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.” - Plato
Kucinich grilling Rumsfeld doesn't exactly fit in with any of the prevailing corporate news media constructs and must therefore be ignored. You know, little bits of useless information, like the argument that Iraq's weapons programs were largely destroyed in the 1998 Desert Fox strikes or any of the other minority opinions presenting countervailing info. relevant to a decision to invade and occupy Iraq. Truth, accuracy, and unvarnished fact are sooo like 1990s. Just tell me who the toughest mutha' on the block is, how we get him elected, and who we are invading next. Can I get an Amen?
why should this be a right verses left subject? i would like the truth to be the expected response from anyone under oath. it's obvious that the dod has mislead the media numerous times regarding reports like the death of tillman, jessica lynch's "rambo" style escape, and abu ghraib. why no pictures allowed of draped coffins?
this seems to be the most news controlled government ever assembled. these hearings are being played off as "witch hunts" but checks and balances were thrown away when the right retained complete control of the government.
i guess none of it matters much anyway. libby was found guilty of lying and paid no consequences. gonzo has lied under oath and he still has a job (now with the power to investigate you or me without a warrant but that's a whole other outrage) and harriet miers can just ignore a federal supeona. folks, this is no different than a dictatorship. who's going to liberate us?
odanny @ 4:
I'd have to agree with you on that asessment. He's another despicable slimeball in an Administration full of them.
The American people have fallen for this meaningless American theater for years, because it offers them the illusion that the people are running the show. Now we realize that it's all been smoke and mirrors for years, and our government is ruining the people's basic freedoms!
A Survey of public attitudes makes Kucinich the frontrunner
CLEVELAND, OH – In the political equivalent of a “blind taste test” taken by more than 67,000 participants, an independent website surveying public attitudes on various issues is reporting that Ohio Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is the first choice of a phenomenal 53% of respondents. No other candidate, Democrat or Republican, even reaches double digits.
The website has been asking respondents to express and rank their opinions on 25 different issues – the war in Iraq, health care, the environment, Patriot Act, etc. -- that have been raised and debated among the Presidential candidates in both parties. Those taking the survey vote only on the issues, not for or against any individual candidate.
As of this morning (the survey is recalculated every five minutes), more than 35,600 respondents were “in sync” with Kucinich on the issues. Democratic front-runner Senator Hillary Clinton was the first-place choice of only about 2,400 respondents (3.6%). Other leading candidates fared even worse: Senator Barack Obama (3%), and former Senator John Edwards (1.3%)
“When people vote exclusively on the issues that are important to them, without being influenced by name recognition, celebrity, or millions of dollars in advertising, Congressman Kucinich wins in a landslide,” his campaign said today.
Thank you Dennis.
dreamwords die
Hands off some original cat's eyes
Pearly bomb visions a sleeping redwood bonsai
Tricked by the lizard's lips and deep sighs
Toothpick bad guys are now roped and tied high
A sandy desert drinks a taste of their sad lies
Bad acid rain lost inside their flowery silk ties
Still neck and neck because we can't think twice right
So blue horses run through-a-cloud for the cliffside
Mindful of the aging trade
Lost her dress to a factory slave
Can't give it more than none of us gave
With no bodies lost and nobody saved
All you bitches and punks
Caught you coughing while the shipwreck sunk
You'll be twisting in the windowless trunks
and we'll kill the batter for laying the bunt
Forget what you said and forget what you thunk
Sell the house when the deed's a slam dunk
While the bank's still burning and the landlord's still drunk.
Alright Alright Alright
We are alive We are alive
We are alive We are alive
Clavis @ 2:
Yes . . . beat the dead horse over and over and over and over and over . . . .
frenchfries @ 46:
The first candidate to start openly talking about that huge topic of war catalyzing proportions that we aren't allowed to talk about lest we be accused of adled thought could pick up millions of supporters and dollars.
How Murdoch Will Screw Up The Wall Street Journal
"I can't recall"..."in the White House"- we were on the lawn (outside) and weren't "in" the White House...
New movie in 2009 - A Few Good Lies -- The GOP Talking Points -- Kucinich played by Tom Cruise, Rummy by Nicholson. Did you order the code bullshite?
I just volunteered to help at a Kucinich fund raiser at the Chopra Center in San Diego. It looks to be huge. Kucinich takes NO money from lobbyists or corporations, so he relies completely on private donations. I've never done this before in my life. I may be parking cars, or handing out info packs. I don't care. I will do whatever it takes to help this DAMOCRAT get the support he needs. Too bad his own party is too busy enabling warrantless wiretaps to support him.
I wonder. Why?
Otay @ 16:
He made himself look even more incompetent, as if the army isn't part of the Department of Defense and the DoD couldn't possibly know what the army is up to. BTW, the DoD allows you to subscribe to "news products"--their term--on their website.
A couple of days ago I saw Mitt R walking down the street here in downtown Des Moines, not so unusual with all the caucus hype and all. I had passed by him by a couple of paces before I realized who I'd just seen, and it was all I could do to refrain from turning around and hollaring "Hey Mitt....IN YOUR DREAMS!" Yes, he's ahead in the polls here- for the Republican candidates- but hopefully we Iowans will be wise and keep the conservatives and creepy fundamentalists at bay and put a Democrat in office.
I don't say this very often but everyone should watch this. It's bad out there in the fixed income markets folks, and the worst isn't behind us I'm sorry to say.
Jim Cramer, Market Meltdown
"The media always ignores Kucinich - probably because he's not quite the corporate tool. I hate the way the media seems to choose the candidates".
This statement is also true of most of the "progressive" or "liberal" blogs.
They have all fallen in line with Obama, Clinton and Edwards as the ones to talk about.
These candidates are the ones that interest me the least.
I understand why the commercial overfed and overpaid media are following the dictates of the ones
who keep them well-fed - but I don't understand the sick psychic mechanism that has infected the "liberal" blogs.
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I wonder if "I don't recall " Rumsfeld can remember outing this soldier. (Buzzflash)
The US soldier who exposed the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison found himself a marked man after his anonymity was blown in the most astonishing way by Donald Rumsfeld.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6930197.stm
Boy oh boy.................When Dennis works ............hhheeee really works it.....
He did a great job pressing on with the questions. Rumsfeld could not out smart him nor could widdle himself out of.
The mere fact that Rumsfeld was trying to widdle himself out of this responsibility is in itself shows WHO is the CONGRESS in CHARGE in this hearing. Congressman is the interrogator and he took control of the QUESTIONING and pressed on when he had to. He had the right timing that caused this the bully (rumsfeld) to widdle and shreik.
GOOD JOB Congressman................You showed us SPINE that most Congress couldn't.
Congressman Dennis Kucinich for now should BE the SPEAKER OF HOUSE.
HE is CLEARLY different among the other CONGRESSMAN. HE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR. HE QUESTIONED THE LEGITIMACY OF THE WAR AND THE NIE from the beginning. HE refused to fund the WAR. He believe in the U.S. Constitution and the only one on the Democrat side to fully EXERCISE it. The only ONE that is SPEAKING for the MAJORITY who oppose the WAR. THE ONLY ONE who has a SPINE. The only one who has a TALL BEAUTIFUL wife. THE ONLY ONE that is clearly "different" from all the Democratic running for the Presidential Ticket.
The Only ONE that SEEMS to be being kicked around by the MEDIA and Corporate Contributors.........MUCH like they DO to the majority of AMRICANS who believe in our CONSTITUTION and the RULE OF LAW.
THE ONLY ONE THAT IS STANDING AND SPEAKING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND POINTING THE FINGER AT THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NATIONS ILLNESS.
THE ONLY ONE THAT is not afraid to fight the big corporation for the vast majority of common people in AMERICA.
HE STANDS TALL in ORDER.
DO nOT judge a man/woman for PRESIDENT by appearance.....but rather by his character.......capacity ......sound judgement.......and his conviction to do the right thing for its people and his country unselfishly..................
DENNIS KUCINICH is CLEARLY the extreme choice for change for an extreme period in the history of AMERICA. WHEN all the candidates are following political strategist and campaign contributors and political marketeers............DENNIS KUCINICH.....was relentllessly LEADING the people and our government back to civility and reminding us who we are as a Nation, a nation with laws and order, and reminding us that the FEAR from terrorist will NOT deter this nation into GIVING UP our FREEDOM. AND WE THE PEOPLE will fight those that do not defend or preserve our NATIONS....U.S. Constitution.
220 years of history that made our nation strong. IN the memory of our ansestor who fought and/or died for our FREEDOM from MONARCHY. FOR THE CHILDREN OF AMERICA and the FUTURE OF OUR NATION's DEMOCRACY.............WE WILL STAND UNITED IN MIND, BODY. AND SOUL TO RESTORE CIVIL LIBERTY TO OUR NATION and DEMAND our CIVIL SERVANTS TO ACT NOW WITH US OR STAY OUT OF OUR WAY AND WE WILL DEAL WITH YOU LATER.
dennis @ 82:
Dennis, we're on very similar wavelengths...I just got this same video forwarded to me by one of the economic bloggers I rely on to put things in perspective for me.
It looks to me like we're heading into (if not already there) a fairly significant recession. I just got some information on the housing market that looks equally dooming...
I'm wondering what the meta-ramifications of this will be...so far, we've seen some complacency on the part of the general public because things haven't affected them personally although the red flags have been reported. However, if we go into the depths of a recession the way I'm hearing it could be, will the American people wake up somewhat?
BTW, I leave for a trip to Europe next week...last time I was in Europe the dollar was worth .82 Euro, (the time before that it was .73). Now it's worth 1.42 Euro. That's a pretty pathetic drop in 3 years.
I saw The Simpsons movie yesterday. It was really good.
But they were preempted Sunday night. There was two hours of nothing but The Family Guy, so I didn't bother. I'd probably get the bends.
dennis @ 82:
I've been predicting this for at least a year, maybe two. Only to be told by conservatives on this site that I didn't know squat about the economy.
Kucinich is very impressive in this clip. Although he may not win the nomination, I'm grateful that he is in the race because of the emphasis he places on what were once considered basic Democratic positions.
Nicole Belle @ 87:
Thanks for the response, Nicole. I've been reading a lot of the doom and gloom guys for a while now, saying it's not just a matter of if, but when the mortgage market finally takes the kind of pounding that will resonate to the rest of the markets. But when someone like Jim Cramer has to beat on the table and yell and scream to try wake people up to how bad it's getting, I think it's time to take notice.
If it gets too bad, I might just have to consider pulling the (D) lever in 2008. Not sure I know how to do that though.
When did this interview take place?
Why can't C&L put a relevant date for these kinds of clips?
Nicole Belle @ 87:
I assume you meant that the other way.
Damned Tired of the DLC @ 90:
I truly belive that if people in this country vote with their best interests in mind, rather than who the MSM force tdown their throats, then Dennis Kucinich WILL be President in 2008. I urge each of you to go to this link and answer this questionaire. It will give you some incite as to how the issues that matter to you compare to those of all the Persidentail candidates, without prejudice (and you may be very surprised by the results):
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/
Please take the time to take this survey. This is how we should vote in this country. it only makes sense. And I am in no way, personally, trying to steer you away from any one candidate, whatsover. Honestly, if your result tells you that you're more alligned to Hllary Clinton, then that is exactly who you should vote for, same as if the survey steered you toward Sam Brownback...really! I am simply urging you to make wise choices based on your personal interests rather than what the corporate media anoints as the next President.
When McCain told the uncomfortable truth he was crowned a "Maverick", when Kucinich does the very same to an even greater degree, he is branded pessimistic and unelectable. Hell, he's the most Maverickin' Maverick around. If he was 6 foot 2 with chiseled jaw and slate gray eyes, he'd be a front runner because of his intelligence and truthfulness, but alas we judge the book by the cover in this country. People were right, TV ruined the world it just took 57 years to do it.
Considering the News Corp. purchase of the Wall Street Journal, I wrote this bit of satire in my blog:
It's the first piece of satire I wrote, so critiques are welcome.
The ECONOMY is like having a bucket of gold. How the economy is doing depends on how much shre of gold you posses in this bucket of gold. For the few rich who has the greatest share or the bucket can logically say "THE ECONOMY" is going GREAT. For the rest of us who share the rest of what is left of the bucket of gold, we say "THE ECONOMY" is not good.
BUT realistically, when our DEBT is greater than our ability to sustain the pot of GOLD. THEN THE ECONOMY IS A WRECK.
The piece of paper WE CALL MONEY is becoming more and more WORTHLESS as the government continue to PRINT more and more of it. Then our wealth is becoming just an illusion......... placed in paper that will have no value. This government HAS sold out our NATION. WE need to stop them before we are left DRY.
Dennis Kucinich understand the WORKING PEOPLE's concerns. IT is about time WE show the media that WE STAND WITH DENNIS KUCINICH in the STRUGGLE to take our NATION BACK and restore our WEALTH, INTEREST and INTEGRITY back from these worthless, self-serving, profiteering politicians that is dragging our nation to the ground.
L Yates @ 6:
Here, here! He was forceful and pointed. Where does the idea that he "just can't be president" come from, anyway? Go Dennis!!!
As the process refines itself, have you started making up your mind who you think will be picked as the candidate of choice for each party. Who do you predict will win party nomination http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=284
i've never understood why people like Markos of dailykos.com write off, even laugh at and caricature, real leaders like Denis Kucinich. Go look for yourself, Markos comes off as very mean when discussing Kucinich. Fucking bastard.
Go, Dennis!
GO DENNIS!! The ONLY Democcrat that has cajones to call it like he sees it.
We may need our own American version of Mao Zedeng?
wm
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